Guest guest Posted April 18, 2004 Report Share Posted April 18, 2004 Hi all, just wondered if any one had heard from Cindy H. and how she is getting along after her hand surgery ? ----------------------------- Here is a piece of an off-list email I got from her about four days ago: i'm still hunting and pecking. two more weeks until i get the pins out. can't wait! then p.t hopefully no more thumb surgeries! cindy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2004 Report Share Posted April 18, 2004 Hi all, just wondered if any one had heard from Cindy H. and how she is getting along after her hand surgery ? ----------------------------- Here is a piece of an off-list email I got from her about four days ago: i'm still hunting and pecking. two more weeks until i get the pins out. can't wait! then p.t hopefully no more thumb surgeries! cindy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2004 Report Share Posted April 18, 2004 Hi all, just wondered if any one had heard from Cindy H. and how she is getting along after her hand surgery ? ----------------------------- Here is a piece of an off-list email I got from her about four days ago: i'm still hunting and pecking. two more weeks until i get the pins out. can't wait! then p.t hopefully no more thumb surgeries! cindy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2004 Report Share Posted April 18, 2004 I posted a message from her a couple days ago.if you search for Cindy H I think you should find it. Love Lana re Hi all, just wondered if any one had heard from Cindy H. and how she is getting along after her hand surgery ? Las Vegas To learn more about EDS, visit our website: http://members.rogers.com/ceda2/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2004 Report Share Posted April 18, 2004 I posted a message from her a couple days ago.if you search for Cindy H I think you should find it. Love Lana re Hi all, just wondered if any one had heard from Cindy H. and how she is getting along after her hand surgery ? Las Vegas To learn more about EDS, visit our website: http://members.rogers.com/ceda2/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2004 Report Share Posted April 18, 2004 I posted a message from her a couple days ago.if you search for Cindy H I think you should find it. Love Lana re Hi all, just wondered if any one had heard from Cindy H. and how she is getting along after her hand surgery ? Las Vegas To learn more about EDS, visit our website: http://members.rogers.com/ceda2/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2004 Report Share Posted April 18, 2004 Thanks Mike ! Las Vegas > --->> > Here is a piece of an off-list email I got from her about four days > ago: > > > i'm still hunting and pecking. > two more weeks until i get the pins out. can't wait! > then p.t > hopefully no more thumb surgeries! > cindy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2004 Report Share Posted April 18, 2004 Hi , No problem. Yahoo did the same thing to me! I got emails that were at least a week old! One night I got over 300! It's very frustrating. Did you see the email? I'm going to forward it to your private email in case you didn't see it. Love Lana Re: re Thanks Lana, somehow Yahoo messed up and I received about 12 Daily Digest today after several days of none at all. I must have missed your posting. Sorry :-( Las Vegas > I posted a message from her a couple days ago.if you search for Cindy H I > think you should find it. > > > > Love Lana To learn more about EDS, visit our website: http://members.rogers.com/ceda2/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2004 Report Share Posted April 18, 2004 Hi , No problem. Yahoo did the same thing to me! I got emails that were at least a week old! One night I got over 300! It's very frustrating. Did you see the email? I'm going to forward it to your private email in case you didn't see it. Love Lana Re: re Thanks Lana, somehow Yahoo messed up and I received about 12 Daily Digest today after several days of none at all. I must have missed your posting. Sorry :-( Las Vegas > I posted a message from her a couple days ago.if you search for Cindy H I > think you should find it. > > > > Love Lana To learn more about EDS, visit our website: http://members.rogers.com/ceda2/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2004 Report Share Posted April 18, 2004 Hi , No problem. Yahoo did the same thing to me! I got emails that were at least a week old! One night I got over 300! It's very frustrating. Did you see the email? I'm going to forward it to your private email in case you didn't see it. Love Lana Re: re Thanks Lana, somehow Yahoo messed up and I received about 12 Daily Digest today after several days of none at all. I must have missed your posting. Sorry :-( Las Vegas > I posted a message from her a couple days ago.if you search for Cindy H I > think you should find it. > > > > Love Lana To learn more about EDS, visit our website: http://members.rogers.com/ceda2/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2004 Report Share Posted April 18, 2004 , I tried to send this to your private email, but I got it back. Here is the email from Cindy. Love Lana Lana, Thank-you for asking how I've been doing. I'm doing " pretty good " . My hand/thumb had finally felt good enough I thought I'd be back on the list before Easter--when it started in hurting alot again. One of the pins started to move-OUCH! By coincidence I saw the doctor yesterday for a suture removal, after 17 days--it looks so good! As far as the pin, it's not loose enough to take out, nor is it infected...it just went on the move- causing more pain-I didn't have this happen with the first one. An MA put a new splint on at that visit, but not pad the pin area well enough (which caused more pain than I'd had--bone type pain.) So I went back in to have the splint redone....got her again!!!!! she did an even worse job.The friend that brought me over tried not to laugh at how bad it looked...my granddaughter could do a better job. I'd be embarrassed to send someone out like that. I asked the lady at the desk if I could see the other MA because I didn't think that splint and ace would hold up for two more weeks. Her mouth really did drop open when she saw it. Come to find out the rotten MA didn't pad under the pins well enough, so the one was sticking up too high and the splint was pushing on it causing all the pain, plus the splint was way too loose. Doing a little better now.. Say hi to the list, and I'd love to hear from them--I don't know when I'll be back to the list. I sure miss every one. I will be getting back to those that have written. and I still have their mail here so I can get to it. Did your husband have his shoulder surgery? and what was that I read about your neck...a possible/probable surgery? Please fill me in. You both have had so much. I keep you both in my prayers. Thanks again for the cards ....they mean so much. It helps a lot to know others are thinking of me and sending their prayers and best wishes. Love and hugs~ Cindy PS. Feel free to share this--or parts of it with the CEDA and EDSers lists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 Likewise. I too apologize if my words offended you. I'm a holder of strong opinions, Renny, but I'm not so sure of my positions that I refuse to be convinced otherwise. Keep in mind, though, that ridiculing an idea is not the same thing as ridiculing the person who proposed it. In any case, you really should read about the EMS 2.0 movement that's growing a following in the EMS blogosphere. I think you'd find it intriguing. Thanks for the e-mail, and here's to civilized debate! spenair wrote: > > > > > I did apologize for my words earlier. I responded wrongly because I > was tired of seeing people giving snide remarks rather than > constructive criticism when someone disagreed. You yourself in your > reply to Austin earlier basically all but called any that think that > we can triage idiots. Yes it was done w/o being so direct but that was > the jest of it. > > I have been a member here for a few years and lurked for years before. > I have stayed only because at times this is the first place I learn of > proposed changes. > > Unlike many of the other new people that do not post I am not young, > almost as old as many of the dino medics, nor easily intimidated if I > hold an unpopular viewpoint. I am ashamed I stooped to the level of > some that had me frustrated. And again I apologize. I do ask that from > here on forward we all reread what we write and think about how it > could affect the image of our profession and also those that we hope > will move it forward. > > I have no problem with problems with my ideals being pointed out but > it is wrong to be told you are stupid to even think such an ideal > would work. It is even more frustrating to have newer to EMS people > just parrot what the older more experienced say. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am tired of the attacking and making snide rude remarks toward > > > > > anyone with a different opinion. So often I have seen remarks > from > > > the > > > > > dino medic group saying they do not see any stepping forward > to take > > > > > over yet I have seen many try to voice opinions and get > squashed. It > > > > > is fine to say I disagree and present your side, your reasoning > > > but to > > > > > call someone ignorant because they feel differently than you is > > > > > unprofessional and uncalled for. > > > > > > > > > > Admission to the hospital does not equal needs an ambulance, > it does > > > > > not even equal needs ER. > > > > > > > > > > Also even with a denial protocol you would not be saying they > did not > > > > > need more medical care just that they could get there safely > by other > > > > > means. Honestly you would still end up transporting the > majority of > > > > > those that request transport. You also would be assisting them > to get > > > > > the care they actually need and saving them the stress of a large > > > > > ambulance bill. This is not " supermedic " stuff. This is being a > > > > > patient advocate, doing what is right for the patient. > > > > > > > > > > So in conclusion how about respectfully disagreeing with people > > > rather > > > > > than attacking. And if in any of my posts I have seemed to > attack I > > > > > apologize. Lets get back to a professional discussions of > differing > > > > > views to work to find a way to move EMS forward. > > > > > > > > > > Have a great day. > > > > > > > > > > Renny Spencer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Grayson > > > > www.kellygrayson.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Grayson > > www.kellygrayson.com > > > > -- Grayson www.kellygrayson.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 No worrys, I enjoy friendly constructive debate that allows us to explore ideals to go forward. But you as a writer and if I recall correctly an editor should understand that an attack or riducule of a persons position or ideal is often construed as an attack on the person even if it was not intended. Myself I'm thick skinned, old, and sadly opinionated ( not that any would guess that;) ), but I have even been emailed by others that will no longer post. That bothers me. What if one of the ones that no longer posts has the solution to all that ails EMS? Since they feel silenced that solution will never occur. And surprisingly some of the emails I have gotten over the past few months are from dino medics not just newbies. I will check out the infomation, thanks. > > Likewise. I too apologize if my words offended you. I'm a holder of > strong opinions, Renny, but I'm not so sure of my positions that I > refuse to be convinced otherwise. Keep in mind, though, that ridiculing > an idea is not the same thing as ridiculing the person who proposed it. > > In any case, you really should read about the EMS 2.0 movement that's > growing a following in the EMS blogosphere. I think you'd find it > intriguing. > > Thanks for the e-mail, and here's to civilized debate! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 " It is even more frustrating to have newer to EMS people just parrot what the older more experienced say. " Frustrating indeed. How dare they acknowledge that there just might be a hierarchy of individuals who by benefit of tenure might have discovered well-grounded experiential " truths " that have withstood the test of time. And, these " newer to EMS people " should now be marginalized because only conflicting opinions represent meaningful " professional " constructs? These two philosophies (originating in the 1960's) apply: Relativism: A philosophy which holds that the meaning and value of human beliefs have no absolute value or truth; that all truth is relative to the individual based on cognitive, racial, socioeconomic, cultural and experiential grounds; that all viewpoints are equally valid; and, relativism denies that any viewpoint is uniquely privileged over all others. Egalitarianism: A pervasive trend in political, moral and ethical thought that stresses equality of outcomes, rather than equality of opportunities; that all people are equal in every respect; and, that hierarchies within human populations should never exist. It's not just in EMS. It's pervasive throughout American culture. Polly want a cracker? Bob > > > > > I did apologize for my words earlier. I responded wrongly because I was > tired of seeing people giving snide remarks rather than constructive > criticism when someone disagreed. You yourself in your reply to Austin > earlier basically all but called any that think that we can triage idiots. > Yes it was done w/o being so direct but that was the jest of it. > > I have been a member here for a few years and lurked for years before. I > have stayed only because at times this is the first place I learn of > proposed changes. > > Unlike many of the other new people that do not post I am not young, almost > as old as many of the dino medics, nor easily intimidated if I hold an > unpopular viewpoint. I am ashamed I stooped to the level of some that had me > frustrated. And again I apologize. I do ask that from here on forward we all > reread what we write and think about how it could affect the image of our > profession and also those that we hope will move it forward. > > I have no problem with problems with my ideals being pointed out but it is > wrong to be told you are stupid to even think such an ideal would work. It > is even more frustrating to have newer to EMS people just parrot what the > older more experienced say. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am tired of the attacking and making snide rude remarks toward > > > > > anyone with a different opinion. So often I have seen remarks from > > > the > > > > > dino medic group saying they do not see any stepping forward to > take > > > > > over yet I have seen many try to voice opinions and get squashed. > It > > > > > is fine to say I disagree and present your side, your reasoning > > > but to > > > > > call someone ignorant because they feel differently than you is > > > > > unprofessional and uncalled for. > > > > > > > > > > Admission to the hospital does not equal needs an ambulance, it > does > > > > > not even equal needs ER. > > > > > > > > > > Also even with a denial protocol you would not be saying they did > not > > > > > need more medical care just that they could get there safely by > other > > > > > means. Honestly you would still end up transporting the majority of > > > > > those that request transport. You also would be assisting them to > get > > > > > the care they actually need and saving them the stress of a large > > > > > ambulance bill. This is not " supermedic " stuff. This is being a > > > > > patient advocate, doing what is right for the patient. > > > > > > > > > > So in conclusion how about respectfully disagreeing with people > > > rather > > > > > than attacking. And if in any of my posts I have seemed to attack I > > > > > apologize. Lets get back to a professional discussions of differing > > > > > views to work to find a way to move EMS forward. > > > > > > > > > > Have a great day. > > > > > > > > > > Renny Spencer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Grayson > > > > www.kellygrayson.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Grayson > > www.kellygrayson.com > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 Bob Kellow, I don't know you but I see why some here respect you as they do! Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. Please excuse any typos (Cell) LNMolino@... > " It is even more frustrating to have newer to EMS people just > parrot what > the older more experienced say. " > > Frustrating indeed. How dare they acknowledge that there just might > be a > hierarchy of individuals who by benefit of tenure might have > discovered > well-grounded experiential " truths " that have withstood the test of > time. > And, these " newer to EMS people " should now be marginalized because > only conflicting opinions represent meaningful " professional " > constructs? > > These two philosophies (originating in the 1960's) apply: > > Relativism: A philosophy which holds that the meaning and value of > human > beliefs have no absolute value or truth; that all truth is relative > to the > individual based on cognitive, racial, socioeconomic, cultural and > experiential grounds; that all viewpoints are equally valid; and, > relativism > denies that any viewpoint is uniquely privileged over all others. > > Egalitarianism: A pervasive trend in political, moral and ethical > thought > that stresses equality of outcomes, rather than equality of > opportunities; > that all people are equal in every respect; and, that hierarchies > within > human populations should never exist. > > It's not just in EMS. It's pervasive throughout American culture. > Polly want > a cracker? > > Bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did apologize for my words earlier. I responded wrongly because > I was > > tired of seeing people giving snide remarks rather than constructive > > criticism when someone disagreed. You yourself in your reply to > Austin > > earlier basically all but called any that think that we can triage > idiots. > > Yes it was done w/o being so direct but that was the jest of it. > > > > I have been a member here for a few years and lurked for years > before. I > > have stayed only because at times this is the first place I learn of > > proposed changes. > > > > Unlike many of the other new people that do not post I am not > young, almost > > as old as many of the dino medics, nor easily intimidated if I > hold an > > unpopular viewpoint. I am ashamed I stooped to the level of some > that had me > > frustrated. And again I apologize. I do ask that from here on > forward we all > > reread what we write and think about how it could affect the image > of our > > profession and also those that we hope will move it forward. > > > > I have no problem with problems with my ideals being pointed out > but it is > > wrong to be told you are stupid to even think such an ideal would > work. It > > is even more frustrating to have newer to EMS people just parrot > what the > > older more experienced say. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am tired of the attacking and making snide rude remarks > toward > > > > > > anyone with a different opinion. So often I have seen > remarks from > > > > the > > > > > > dino medic group saying they do not see any stepping > forward to > > take > > > > > > over yet I have seen many try to voice opinions and get > squashed. > > It > > > > > > is fine to say I disagree and present your side, your > reasoning > > > > but to > > > > > > call someone ignorant because they feel differently than > you is > > > > > > unprofessional and uncalled for. > > > > > > > > > > > > Admission to the hospital does not equal needs an > ambulance, it > > does > > > > > > not even equal needs ER. > > > > > > > > > > > > Also even with a denial protocol you would not be saying > they did > > not > > > > > > need more medical care just that they could get there > safely by > > other > > > > > > means. Honestly you would still end up transporting the > majority of > > > > > > those that request transport. You also would be assisting > them to > > get > > > > > > the care they actually need and saving them the stress of > a large > > > > > > ambulance bill. This is not " supermedic " stuff. This is > being a > > > > > > patient advocate, doing what is right for the patient. > > > > > > > > > > > > So in conclusion how about respectfully disagreeing with > people > > > > rather > > > > > > than attacking. And if in any of my posts I have seemed to > attack I > > > > > > apologize. Lets get back to a professional discussions of > differing > > > > > > views to work to find a way to move EMS forward. > > > > > > > > > > > > Have a great day. > > > > > > > > > > > > Renny Spencer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Grayson > > > > > www.kellygrayson.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Grayson > > > www.kellygrayson.com > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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