Guest guest Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 it is a cult - the problem is - if they go after the church - then minority religions are at risk God, grant me the strength of eagles wings, the faith and courage to fly to new heights, and the wisdom to rely on his spirit to carry me there. To: Group <mserslife >Sent: Wed, March 2, 2011 11:17:40 AMSubject: US Supreme Court rules in favor of Westboro Baptist Church! I dislike this decision so much. This so-called "church" is so hateful and disgusting. I feel sick to my stomach for all the people they hurt by their actions...Sharon This email is a natural hand made product. The slight variations in spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way are to be considered flaws or defects. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110302/ap_on_re_us/us_supreme_court_funeral_protests 1st Amendment protects military funeral protesters By MARK SHERMAN, Associated Press Mark Sherman, Associated Press 12 mins ago WASHINGTON – The Supreme Court ruled Wednesday that the First Amendment protects fundamentalist church members who mount anti-gay protests outside military funerals, despite the pain they cause grieving families. The court voted 8-1 in favor of the Westboro Baptist Church of Topeka, Kan. The decision upheld an appeals court ruling that threw out a $5 million judgment to the father of a dead Marine who sued church members after they picketed his son's funeral. Chief Justice wrote the opinion for the court. Justice Alito dissented. said free speech rights in the First Amendment shield the funeral protesters, noting that they obeyed police directions and were 1,000 feet from the church. "Speech is powerful. It can stir people to action, move them to tears of both joy and sorrow, and — as it did here — inflict great pain. On the facts before us, we cannot react to that pain by punishing the speaker," said. "As a nation we have chosen a different course — to protect even hurtful speech on public issues to ensure that we do not stifle public debate." Alito strongly disagreed. "Our profound national commitment to free and open debate is not a license for the vicious verbal assault that occurred in this case," he said. Snyder died in Iraq in 2006 and his body was returned to the United States for burial. Members of the Westboro Baptist Church, who have picketed military funerals for several years, decided to protest outside the Westminster, Md., church where his funeral was to be held. The Rev. Fred Phelps and his family members who make up most of the Westboro Baptist Church have picketed many military funerals in their quest to draw attention to their incendiary view that U.S. deaths in Afghanistan and Iraq are God's punishment for the nation's tolerance of homosexuality. They showed up with their usual signs, including "Thank God for dead soldiers," "You're Going to Hell," "God Hates the USA/Thank God for 9/11," and one that combined the U.S. Marine Corps motto, Semper Fi, with a slur against gay men. The church members drew counter-demonstrators, as well as media coverage and a heavy police presence to maintain order. The result was a spectacle that led to altering the route of the funeral procession. Several weeks later, Albert Snyder was surfing the Internet for tributes to his son from other soldiers and strangers when he came upon a poem on the church's website that attacked 's parents for the way they brought up their son. Soon after, Snyder filed a lawsuit accusing the Phelpses of intentionally inflicting emotional distress. He won $11 million at trial, later reduced by a judge to $5 million. The federal appeals court in Richmond, Va., threw out the verdict and said the Constitution shielded the church members from liability. Forty-eight states, 42 U.S. senators and veterans groups sided with Snyder, asking the court to shield funerals from the Phelps family's "psychological terrorism." While distancing themselves from the church's message, media organizations, including The Associated Press, urged the court to side with the Phelps family because of concerns that a victory for Snyder could erode speech rights. described the court's holding as narrow, and in a separate opinion, Justice Breyer suggested in other circumstances, governments would not be "powerless to provide private individuals with necessary protection." But in this case, Breyer said, it would be wrong to "punish Westboro for seeking to communicate its views on matters of public concern." Margie Phelps, a daughter of the minister and a lawyer who argued the case at the Supreme Court, said she expected the outcome. "The only surprise is that Justice Alito did not feel compelled to follow his oath," Phelps said. "We read the law. We follow the law. The only way for a different ruling is to shred the First Amendment." She also offered her church's view of the decision. "I think it's pretty self-explanatory, but here's the core point: The wrath of God is pouring onto this land. Rather than trying to shut us up, use your platforms to tell this nation to mourn for your sins." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 it is a cult - the problem is - if they go after the church - then minority religions are at risk God, grant me the strength of eagles wings, the faith and courage to fly to new heights, and the wisdom to rely on his spirit to carry me there. To: Group <mserslife >Sent: Wed, March 2, 2011 11:17:40 AMSubject: US Supreme Court rules in favor of Westboro Baptist Church! I dislike this decision so much. This so-called "church" is so hateful and disgusting. I feel sick to my stomach for all the people they hurt by their actions...Sharon This email is a natural hand made product. The slight variations in spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way are to be considered flaws or defects. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110302/ap_on_re_us/us_supreme_court_funeral_protests 1st Amendment protects military funeral protesters By MARK SHERMAN, Associated Press Mark Sherman, Associated Press 12 mins ago WASHINGTON – The Supreme Court ruled Wednesday that the First Amendment protects fundamentalist church members who mount anti-gay protests outside military funerals, despite the pain they cause grieving families. The court voted 8-1 in favor of the Westboro Baptist Church of Topeka, Kan. The decision upheld an appeals court ruling that threw out a $5 million judgment to the father of a dead Marine who sued church members after they picketed his son's funeral. Chief Justice wrote the opinion for the court. Justice Alito dissented. said free speech rights in the First Amendment shield the funeral protesters, noting that they obeyed police directions and were 1,000 feet from the church. "Speech is powerful. It can stir people to action, move them to tears of both joy and sorrow, and — as it did here — inflict great pain. On the facts before us, we cannot react to that pain by punishing the speaker," said. "As a nation we have chosen a different course — to protect even hurtful speech on public issues to ensure that we do not stifle public debate." Alito strongly disagreed. "Our profound national commitment to free and open debate is not a license for the vicious verbal assault that occurred in this case," he said. Snyder died in Iraq in 2006 and his body was returned to the United States for burial. Members of the Westboro Baptist Church, who have picketed military funerals for several years, decided to protest outside the Westminster, Md., church where his funeral was to be held. The Rev. Fred Phelps and his family members who make up most of the Westboro Baptist Church have picketed many military funerals in their quest to draw attention to their incendiary view that U.S. deaths in Afghanistan and Iraq are God's punishment for the nation's tolerance of homosexuality. They showed up with their usual signs, including "Thank God for dead soldiers," "You're Going to Hell," "God Hates the USA/Thank God for 9/11," and one that combined the U.S. Marine Corps motto, Semper Fi, with a slur against gay men. The church members drew counter-demonstrators, as well as media coverage and a heavy police presence to maintain order. The result was a spectacle that led to altering the route of the funeral procession. Several weeks later, Albert Snyder was surfing the Internet for tributes to his son from other soldiers and strangers when he came upon a poem on the church's website that attacked 's parents for the way they brought up their son. Soon after, Snyder filed a lawsuit accusing the Phelpses of intentionally inflicting emotional distress. He won $11 million at trial, later reduced by a judge to $5 million. The federal appeals court in Richmond, Va., threw out the verdict and said the Constitution shielded the church members from liability. Forty-eight states, 42 U.S. senators and veterans groups sided with Snyder, asking the court to shield funerals from the Phelps family's "psychological terrorism." While distancing themselves from the church's message, media organizations, including The Associated Press, urged the court to side with the Phelps family because of concerns that a victory for Snyder could erode speech rights. described the court's holding as narrow, and in a separate opinion, Justice Breyer suggested in other circumstances, governments would not be "powerless to provide private individuals with necessary protection." But in this case, Breyer said, it would be wrong to "punish Westboro for seeking to communicate its views on matters of public concern." Margie Phelps, a daughter of the minister and a lawyer who argued the case at the Supreme Court, said she expected the outcome. "The only surprise is that Justice Alito did not feel compelled to follow his oath," Phelps said. "We read the law. We follow the law. The only way for a different ruling is to shred the First Amendment." She also offered her church's view of the decision. "I think it's pretty self-explanatory, but here's the core point: The wrath of God is pouring onto this land. Rather than trying to shut us up, use your platforms to tell this nation to mourn for your sins." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 it is a cult - the problem is - if they go after the church - then minority religions are at risk God, grant me the strength of eagles wings, the faith and courage to fly to new heights, and the wisdom to rely on his spirit to carry me there. To: Group <mserslife >Sent: Wed, March 2, 2011 11:17:40 AMSubject: US Supreme Court rules in favor of Westboro Baptist Church! I dislike this decision so much. This so-called "church" is so hateful and disgusting. I feel sick to my stomach for all the people they hurt by their actions...Sharon This email is a natural hand made product. The slight variations in spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way are to be considered flaws or defects. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110302/ap_on_re_us/us_supreme_court_funeral_protests 1st Amendment protects military funeral protesters By MARK SHERMAN, Associated Press Mark Sherman, Associated Press 12 mins ago WASHINGTON – The Supreme Court ruled Wednesday that the First Amendment protects fundamentalist church members who mount anti-gay protests outside military funerals, despite the pain they cause grieving families. The court voted 8-1 in favor of the Westboro Baptist Church of Topeka, Kan. The decision upheld an appeals court ruling that threw out a $5 million judgment to the father of a dead Marine who sued church members after they picketed his son's funeral. Chief Justice wrote the opinion for the court. Justice Alito dissented. said free speech rights in the First Amendment shield the funeral protesters, noting that they obeyed police directions and were 1,000 feet from the church. "Speech is powerful. It can stir people to action, move them to tears of both joy and sorrow, and — as it did here — inflict great pain. On the facts before us, we cannot react to that pain by punishing the speaker," said. "As a nation we have chosen a different course — to protect even hurtful speech on public issues to ensure that we do not stifle public debate." Alito strongly disagreed. "Our profound national commitment to free and open debate is not a license for the vicious verbal assault that occurred in this case," he said. Snyder died in Iraq in 2006 and his body was returned to the United States for burial. Members of the Westboro Baptist Church, who have picketed military funerals for several years, decided to protest outside the Westminster, Md., church where his funeral was to be held. The Rev. Fred Phelps and his family members who make up most of the Westboro Baptist Church have picketed many military funerals in their quest to draw attention to their incendiary view that U.S. deaths in Afghanistan and Iraq are God's punishment for the nation's tolerance of homosexuality. They showed up with their usual signs, including "Thank God for dead soldiers," "You're Going to Hell," "God Hates the USA/Thank God for 9/11," and one that combined the U.S. Marine Corps motto, Semper Fi, with a slur against gay men. The church members drew counter-demonstrators, as well as media coverage and a heavy police presence to maintain order. The result was a spectacle that led to altering the route of the funeral procession. Several weeks later, Albert Snyder was surfing the Internet for tributes to his son from other soldiers and strangers when he came upon a poem on the church's website that attacked 's parents for the way they brought up their son. Soon after, Snyder filed a lawsuit accusing the Phelpses of intentionally inflicting emotional distress. He won $11 million at trial, later reduced by a judge to $5 million. The federal appeals court in Richmond, Va., threw out the verdict and said the Constitution shielded the church members from liability. Forty-eight states, 42 U.S. senators and veterans groups sided with Snyder, asking the court to shield funerals from the Phelps family's "psychological terrorism." While distancing themselves from the church's message, media organizations, including The Associated Press, urged the court to side with the Phelps family because of concerns that a victory for Snyder could erode speech rights. described the court's holding as narrow, and in a separate opinion, Justice Breyer suggested in other circumstances, governments would not be "powerless to provide private individuals with necessary protection." But in this case, Breyer said, it would be wrong to "punish Westboro for seeking to communicate its views on matters of public concern." Margie Phelps, a daughter of the minister and a lawyer who argued the case at the Supreme Court, said she expected the outcome. "The only surprise is that Justice Alito did not feel compelled to follow his oath," Phelps said. "We read the law. We follow the law. The only way for a different ruling is to shred the First Amendment." She also offered her church's view of the decision. "I think it's pretty self-explanatory, but here's the core point: The wrath of God is pouring onto this land. Rather than trying to shut us up, use your platforms to tell this nation to mourn for your sins." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 What a rip off! That is so disguisting. Well what goes around comes around. Someday they will have to answer for what they are doing. Hugs nne To the world you might be one person, but to one person you just might be the world " " May the Lord Bless you and keep you, May the Lord Make his face shine upon you, and give you Peace...Forever " Breast Cancer Patients Soul Mates for Life http://breastcancerpatientssoulmatesforlife.bravehost.com/ Anxiety Depression and Breast Cancer http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/AnxietyDepressionandBreastCancer Angel Feather Loomer www.angelfeatherloomer.blogspot.com The Cancer Club www.cancerclub.com > US Supreme Court rules in favor of Westboro Baptist > Church! > > > I dislike this decision so much. This so-called " church " is so hateful > and > disgusting. I feel sick to my stomach for all the people they hurt by > their > actions... > Sharon > > This email is a natural hand made product. The slight variations in > spelling and > grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way are to > be > considered flaws or defects. > > > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110302/ap_on_re_us/us_supreme_court_funeral_protest\ s > > > > > 1st Amendment protects military funeral protesters > By MARK SHERMAN, Associated Press Mark Sherman, Associated Press > 12 mins ago > WASHINGTON – The Supreme Court ruled Wednesday that the First Amendment > protects > fundamentalist church members who mount anti-gay protests outside > military > funerals, despite the pain they cause grieving families. > The court voted 8-1 in favor of the Westboro Baptist Church of Topeka, > Kan. The > decision upheld an appeals court ruling that threw out a $5 million > judgment to > the father of a dead Marine who sued church members after they picketed > his > son's funeral. > Chief Justice wrote the opinion for the court. Justice > Alito > dissented. > said free speech rights in the First Amendment shield the funeral > protesters, noting that they obeyed police directions and were 1,000 feet > from > the church. > " Speech is powerful. It can stir people to action, move them to tears of > both > joy and sorrow, and — as it did here — inflict great pain. On the facts > before > us, we cannot react to that pain by punishing the speaker, " said. > " As a > nation we have chosen a different course — to protect even hurtful speech > on > public issues to ensure that we do not stifle public debate. " > Alito strongly disagreed. " Our profound national commitment to free and > open > debate is not a license for the vicious verbal assault that occurred in > this > case, " he said. > Snyder died in Iraq in 2006 and his body was returned to the > United > States for burial. Members of the Westboro Baptist Church, who have > picketed > military funerals for several years, decided to protest outside the > Westminster, > Md., church where his funeral was to be held. > The Rev. Fred Phelps and his family members who make up most of the > Westboro > Baptist Church have picketed many military funerals in their quest to > draw > attention to their incendiary view that U.S. deaths in Afghanistan and > Iraq are > God's punishment for the nation's tolerance of homosexuality. > They showed up with their usual signs, including " Thank God for dead > soldiers, " > " You're Going to Hell, " " God Hates the USA/Thank God for 9/11, " and one > that > combined the U.S. Marine Corps motto, Semper Fi, with a slur against gay > men. > The church members drew counter-demonstrators, as well as media coverage > and a > heavy police presence to maintain order. The result was a spectacle that > led to > altering the route of the funeral procession. > Several weeks later, Albert Snyder was surfing the Internet for tributes > to his > son from other soldiers and strangers when he came upon a poem on the > church's > website that attacked 's parents for the way they brought up their > son. > Soon after, Snyder filed a lawsuit accusing the Phelpses of intentionally > inflicting emotional distress. He won $11 million at trial, later reduced > by a > judge to $5 million. > The federal appeals court in Richmond, Va., threw out the verdict and > said the > Constitution shielded the church members from liability. > Forty-eight states, 42 U.S. senators and veterans groups sided with > Snyder, > asking the court to shield funerals from the Phelps family's > " psychological > terrorism. " > While distancing themselves from the church's message, media > organizations, > including The Associated Press, urged the court to side with the Phelps > family > because of concerns that a victory for Snyder could erode speech rights. > described the court's holding as narrow, and in a separate > opinion, > Justice Breyer suggested in other circumstances, governments > would not > be " powerless to provide private individuals with necessary protection. " > But in this case, Breyer said, it would be wrong to " punish Westboro for > seeking > to communicate its views on matters of public concern. " > Margie Phelps, a daughter of the minister and a lawyer who argued the > case at > the Supreme Court, said she expected the outcome. " The only surprise is > that > Justice Alito did not feel compelled to follow his oath, " Phelps said. > " We read > the law. We follow the law. The only way for a different ruling is to > shred the > First Amendment. " > > She also offered her church's view of the decision. " I think it's pretty > self-explanatory, but here's the core point: The wrath of God is pouring > onto > this land. Rather than trying to shut us up, use your platforms to tell > this > nation to mourn for your sins. " ____________________________________________________________ FREE 3D EARTH SCREENSAVER - Watch the Earth right on your desktop! Check it out at http://www.inbox.com/earth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 And they call themselves a church? Do they really believe they are Christian? It's horrible' they're giving all decent Christians a horrific name!This made me sick also to read it, Sharon.love,KateTo: Group <mserslife >Sent: Wed, March 2, 2011 12:17:40 PMSubject: US Supreme Court rules in favor of Westboro Baptist Church! I dislike this decision so much. This so-called "church" is so hateful and disgusting. I feel sick to my stomach for all the people they hurt by their actions...SharonThis email is a natural hand made product. The slight variations in spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way are to be considered flaws or defects. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110302/ap_on_re_us/us_supreme_court_funeral_protests 1st Amendment protects military funeral protesters By MARK SHERMAN, Associated Press Mark Sherman, Associated Press 12 mins ago WASHINGTON – The Supreme Court ruled Wednesday that the First Amendment protects fundamentalist church members who mount anti-gay protests outside military funerals, despite the pain they cause grieving families. The court voted 8-1 in favor of the Westboro Baptist Church of Topeka, Kan. The decision upheld an appeals court ruling that threw out a $5 million judgment to the father of a dead Marine who sued church members after they picketed his son's funeral. Chief Justice wrote the opinion for the court. Justice Alito dissented. said free speech rights in the First Amendment shield the funeral protesters, noting that they obeyed police directions and were 1,000 feet from the church. "Speech is powerful. It can stir people to action, move them to tears of both joy and sorrow, and — as it did here — inflict great pain. On the facts before us, we cannot react to that pain by punishing the speaker," said. "As a nation we have chosen a different course — to protect even hurtful speech on public issues to ensure that we do not stifle public debate." Alito strongly disagreed. "Our profound national commitment to free and open debate is not a license for the vicious verbal assault that occurred in this case," he said. Snyder died in Iraq in 2006 and his body was returned to the United States for burial. Members of the Westboro Baptist Church, who have picketed military funerals for several years, decided to protest outside the Westminster, Md., church where his funeral was to be held. The Rev. Fred Phelps and his family members who make up most of the Westboro Baptist Church have picketed many military funerals in their quest to draw attention to their incendiary view that U.S. deaths in Afghanistan and Iraq are God's punishment for the nation's tolerance of homosexuality. They showed up with their usual signs, including "Thank God for dead soldiers," "You're Going to Hell," "God Hates the USA/Thank God for 9/11," and one that combined the U.S. Marine Corps motto, Semper Fi, with a slur against gay men. The church members drew counter-demonstrators, as well as media coverage and a heavy police presence to maintain order. The result was a spectacle that led to altering the route of the funeral procession. Several weeks later, Albert Snyder was surfing the Internet for tributes to his son from other soldiers and strangers when he came upon a poem on the church's website that attacked 's parents for the way they brought up their son. Soon after, Snyder filed a lawsuit accusing the Phelpses of intentionally inflicting emotional distress. He won $11 million at trial, later reduced by a judge to $5 million. The federal appeals court in Richmond, Va., threw out the verdict and said the Constitution shielded the church members from liability. Forty-eight states, 42 U.S. senators and veterans groups sided with Snyder, asking the court to shield funerals from the Phelps family's "psychological terrorism." While distancing themselves from the church's message, media organizations, including The Associated Press, urged the court to side with the Phelps family because of concerns that a victory for Snyder could erode speech rights. described the court's holding as narrow, and in a separate opinion, Justice Breyer suggested in other circumstances, governments would not be "powerless to provide private individuals with necessary protection." But in this case, Breyer said, it would be wrong to "punish Westboro for seeking to communicate its views on matters of public concern." Margie Phelps, a daughter of the minister and a lawyer who argued the case at the Supreme Court, said she expected the outcome. "The only surprise is that Justice Alito did not feel compelled to follow his oath," Phelps said. "We read the law. We follow the law. The only way for a different ruling is to shred the First Amendment." She also offered her church's view of the decision. "I think it's pretty self-explanatory, but here's the core point: The wrath of God is pouring onto this land. Rather than trying to shut us up, use your platforms to tell this nation to mourn for your sins." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 I ache down to my very soul every time this so called "church" is brought up. I am sickened by what they say they stand for. I want to know why our gov't doesn't call their picket signs that say "Thank God for 9/11" a type of terrorism against the US? To me, they support what happened on 9/11 by what their picket signs say so therefore support the terrorists that attacked the US therefore are terrorists themselves. Those that hold those signs should be arrested, questioned and held as terrorists in my eyes. And if the cult leaders and followers support those signs then they are terrorists as well and should go on to jail with the rest of them. And I think calling our military gay and calling the parents of military members gay is slander and therefore is cause for lawsuits. Slander is illegal last time I checked so why are they getting away with it? Oh right, because they call themselves a church. I think we have more members of their so called church on the hill than we think we do. Subject: Re: US Supreme Court rules in favor of Westboro Baptist Church!To: MSersLife Date: Wednesday, March 2, 2011, 1:16 PM And they call themselves a church? Do they really believe they are Christian? It's horrible' they're giving all decent Christians a horrific name!This made me sick also to read it, Sharon.love,Kate To: Group <mserslife >Sent: Wed, March 2, 2011 12:17:40 PMSubject: US Supreme Court rules in favor of Westboro Baptist Church! I dislike this decision so much. This so-called "church" is so hateful and disgusting. I feel sick to my stomach for all the people they hurt by their actions...Sharon This email is a natural hand made product. The slight variations in spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way are to be considered flaws or defects. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110302/ap_on_re_us/us_supreme_court_funeral_protests 1st Amendment protects military funeral protesters By MARK SHERMAN, Associated Press Mark Sherman, Associated Press 12 mins ago WASHINGTON – The Supreme Court ruled Wednesday that the First Amendment protects fundamentalist church members who mount anti-gay protests outside military funerals, despite the pain they cause grieving families. The court voted 8-1 in favor of the Westboro Baptist Church of Topeka, Kan. The decision upheld an appeals court ruling that threw out a $5 million judgment to the father of a dead Marine who sued church members after they picketed his son's funeral. Chief Justice wrote the opinion for the court. Justice Alito dissented. said free speech rights in the First Amendment shield the funeral protesters, noting that they obeyed police directions and were 1,000 feet from the church. "Speech is powerful. It can stir people to action, move them to tears of both joy and sorrow, and — as it did here — inflict great pain. On the facts before us, we cannot react to that pain by punishing the speaker," said. "As a nation we have chosen a different course — to protect even hurtful speech on public issues to ensure that we do not stifle public debate." Alito strongly disagreed. "Our profound national commitment to free and open debate is not a license for the vicious verbal assault that occurred in this case," he said. Snyder died in Iraq in 2006 and his body was returned to the United States for burial. Members of the Westboro Baptist Church, who have picketed military funerals for several years, decided to protest outside the Westminster, Md., church where his funeral was to be held. The Rev. Fred Phelps and his family members who make up most of the Westboro Baptist Church have picketed many military funerals in their quest to draw attention to their incendiary view that U.S. deaths in Afghanistan and Iraq are God's punishment for the nation's tolerance of homosexuality. They showed up with their usual signs, including "Thank God for dead soldiers," "You're Going to Hell," "God Hates the USA/Thank God for 9/11," and one that combined the U.S. Marine Corps motto, Semper Fi, with a slur against gay men. The church members drew counter-demonstrators, as well as media coverage and a heavy police presence to maintain order. The result was a spectacle that led to altering the route of the funeral procession. Several weeks later, Albert Snyder was surfing the Internet for tributes to his son from other soldiers and strangers when he came upon a poem on the church's website that attacked 's parents for the way they brought up their son. Soon after, Snyder filed a lawsuit accusing the Phelpses of intentionally inflicting emotional distress. He won $11 million at trial, later reduced by a judge to $5 million. The federal appeals court in Richmond, Va., threw out the verdict and said the Constitution shielded the church members from liability. Forty-eight states, 42 U.S. senators and veterans groups sided with Snyder, asking the court to shield funerals from the Phelps family's "psychological terrorism." While distancing themselves from the church's message, media organizations, including The Associated Press, urged the court to side with the Phelps family because of concerns that a victory for Snyder could erode speech rights. described the court's holding as narrow, and in a separate opinion, Justice Breyer suggested in other circumstances, governments would not be "powerless to provide private individuals with necessary protection." But in this case, Breyer said, it would be wrong to "punish Westboro for seeking to communicate its views on matters of public concern." Margie Phelps, a daughter of the minister and a lawyer who argued the case at the Supreme Court, said she expected the outcome. "The only surprise is that Justice Alito did not feel compelled to follow his oath," Phelps said. "We read the law. We follow the law. The only way for a different ruling is to shred the First Amendment." She also offered her church's view of the decision. "I think it's pretty self-explanatory, but here's the core point: The wrath of God is pouring onto this land. Rather than trying to shut us up, use your platforms to tell this nation to mourn for your sins." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 I was amused but not surprized when they picketed in McAlester, OK - somehow or other all 4 of there tires on the van were slashed - funny no one saw anything- and the only ones that would answer AAA - was Wally World boy Wally World staff that helped had a 'hole lot of s'plaining to do when they got home I have no sympathy for the cult - but I have my hands tied - one dad whose son was killed in the sandbox was taken to court for obstruction of their civil liberties - the cult won I am waiting for karma to hit - but it is taking too long God, grant me the strength of eagles wings, the faith and courage to fly to new heights, and the wisdom to rely on his spirit to carry me there. To: MSersLife Sent: Wed, March 2, 2011 1:46:34 PMSubject: Re: US Supreme Court rules in favor of Westboro Baptist Church! I ache down to my very soul every time this so called "church" is brought up. I am sickened by what they say they stand for. I want to know why our gov't doesn't call their picket signs that say "Thank God for 9/11" a type of terrorism against the US? To me, they support what happened on 9/11 by what their picket signs say so therefore support the terrorists that attacked the US therefore are terrorists themselves. Those that hold those signs should be arrested, questioned and held as terrorists in my eyes. And if the cult leaders and followers support those signs then they are terrorists as well and should go on to jail with the rest of them. And I think calling our military gay and calling the parents of military members gay is slander and therefore is cause for lawsuits. Slander is illegal last time I checked so why are they getting away with it? Oh right, because they call themselves a church. I think we have more members of their so called church on the hill than we think we do. Subject: Re: US Supreme Court rules in favor of Westboro Baptist Church!To: MSersLife Date: Wednesday, March 2, 2011, 1:16 PM And they call themselves a church? Do they really believe they are Christian? It's horrible' they're giving all decent Christians a horrific name!This made me sick also to read it, Sharon.love,Kate To: Group <mserslife >Sent: Wed, March 2, 2011 12:17:40 PMSubject: US Supreme Court rules in favor of Westboro Baptist Church! I dislike this decision so much. This so-called "church" is so hateful and disgusting. I feel sick to my stomach for all the people they hurt by their actions...Sharon This email is a natural hand made product. The slight variations in spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way are to be considered flaws or defects. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110302/ap_on_re_us/us_supreme_court_funeral_protests 1st Amendment protects military funeral protesters By MARK SHERMAN, Associated Press Mark Sherman, Associated Press 12 mins ago WASHINGTON – The Supreme Court ruled Wednesday that the First Amendment protects fundamentalist church members who mount anti-gay protests outside military funerals, despite the pain they cause grieving families. The court voted 8-1 in favor of the Westboro Baptist Church of Topeka, Kan. The decision upheld an appeals court ruling that threw out a $5 million judgment to the father of a dead Marine who sued church members after they picketed his son's funeral. Chief Justice wrote the opinion for the court. Justice Alito dissented. said free speech rights in the First Amendment shield the funeral protesters, noting that they obeyed police directions and were 1,000 feet from the church. "Speech is powerful. It can stir people to action, move them to tears of both joy and sorrow, and — as it did here — inflict great pain. On the facts before us, we cannot react to that pain by punishing the speaker," said. "As a nation we have chosen a different course — to protect even hurtful speech on public issues to ensure that we do not stifle public debate." Alito strongly disagreed. "Our profound national commitment to free and open debate is not a license for the vicious verbal assault that occurred in this case," he said. Snyder died in Iraq in 2006 and his body was returned to the United States for burial. Members of the Westboro Baptist Church, who have picketed military funerals for several years, decided to protest outside the Westminster, Md., church where his funeral was to be held. The Rev. Fred Phelps and his family members who make up most of the Westboro Baptist Church have picketed many military funerals in their quest to draw attention to their incendiary view that U.S. deaths in Afghanistan and Iraq are God's punishment for the nation's tolerance of homosexuality. They showed up with their usual signs, including "Thank God for dead soldiers," "You're Going to Hell," "God Hates the USA/Thank God for 9/11," and one that combined the U.S. Marine Corps motto, Semper Fi, with a slur against gay men. The church members drew counter-demonstrators, as well as media coverage and a heavy police presence to maintain order. The result was a spectacle that led to altering the route of the funeral procession. Several weeks later, Albert Snyder was surfing the Internet for tributes to his son from other soldiers and strangers when he came upon a poem on the church's website that attacked 's parents for the way they brought up their son. Soon after, Snyder filed a lawsuit accusing the Phelpses of intentionally inflicting emotional distress. He won $11 million at trial, later reduced by a judge to $5 million. The federal appeals court in Richmond, Va., threw out the verdict and said the Constitution shielded the church members from liability. Forty-eight states, 42 U.S. senators and veterans groups sided with Snyder, asking the court to shield funerals from the Phelps family's "psychological terrorism." While distancing themselves from the church's message, media organizations, including The Associated Press, urged the court to side with the Phelps family because of concerns that a victory for Snyder could erode speech rights. described the court's holding as narrow, and in a separate opinion, Justice Breyer suggested in other circumstances, governments would not be "powerless to provide private individuals with necessary protection." But in this case, Breyer said, it would be wrong to "punish Westboro for seeking to communicate its views on matters of public concern." Margie Phelps, a daughter of the minister and a lawyer who argued the case at the Supreme Court, said she expected the outcome. "The only surprise is that Justice Alito did not feel compelled to follow his oath," Phelps said. "We read the law. We follow the law. The only way for a different ruling is to shred the First Amendment." She also offered her church's view of the decision. "I think it's pretty self-explanatory, but here's the core point: The wrath of God is pouring onto this land. Rather than trying to shut us up, use your platforms to tell this nation to mourn for your sins." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 They do. And they give all decent Americans (or, at the very least, all decent Christian Americans) a bad name too. They are known in Sweden for a hate campaign against Swedes and/or Sweden (with the parole "God hates Sweden")*, expressed in, among other ways, slurring against family members of those Swedes who died in the 2004 tsunami in the Indian Ocean (Thailand was, and is I think a very popular tourist destination among Swedes, perhaps especially for family holidays, and because of that Sweden was the non-Asian country with the most dead and injured in that disaster, very many of the dead and injured Swedes were children). Now, they are of course less up close and personal here (since they have never been seen here, even if they claim to have travelled to Stockholm and picketed the Royal Castle). But I am sure hearing that a church is rejoicing in the death of her (or his) child is devastating and hurtful to a mother (or father), even if the church is not there to tell her (or him) that personally. And is upsetting to many who are less personally affected, too. The problem with all this (well, apart from the obvious...), is that to many Swedes they represent a typical American church (because many Swedes have experienced few or no other American churches), and hence haven't exactly contributed to a very positive image of American Christians/American churches among the Swedish general public. love/Reb* I am not sure what their "beef" with Sweden is exactly, I have heard the founder of the church saying that the Swedish princesses were wearing dresses that showed off, in his opinion, too much skin, for the Nobel Prize dinner. And I wouldn't be surprised if they disagree with some of the Swedish politics regarding gay people as well (judging from what I read below). I also don't know if they have staged similar campaigns against other countries, or if it's just Sweden. >> And they call themselves a church? Do they really believe they are Christian? > It's horrible' they're giving all decent Christians a horrific name!> This made me sick also to read it, Sharon.> love,> Kate> > > > > > ________________________________> To: Group mserslife > Sent: Wed, March 2, 2011 12:17:40 PM> Subject: US Supreme Court rules in favor of Westboro Baptist Church!> > > I dislike this decision so much. This so-called "church" is so hateful and > disgusting. I feel sick to my stomach for all the people they hurt by their > actions...> Sharon> > This email is a natural hand made product. The slight variations in spelling > and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way are to be > considered flaws or defects.> > > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110302/ap_on_re_us/us_supreme_court_funeral_protests> > > > > 1st Amendment protects military funeral protesters> By MARK SHERMAN, Associated Press Mark Sherman, Associated Press 12 mins ago > WASHINGTON â€" The Supreme Court ruled Wednesday that the First Amendment > protects fundamentalist church members who mount anti-gay protests outside > military funerals, despite the pain they cause grieving families.> The court voted 8-1 in favor of the Westboro Baptist Church of Topeka, Kan. The > decision upheld an appeals court ruling that threw out a $5 million judgment to > the father of a dead Marine who sued church members after they picketed his > son's funeral.> Chief Justice wrote the opinion for the court. Justice Alito > dissented.> said free speech rights in the First Amendment shield the funeral > protesters, noting that they obeyed police directions and were 1,000 feet from > the church.> "Speech is powerful. It can stir people to action, move them to tears of both > joy and sorrow, and â€" as it did here â€" inflict great pain. On the facts before > us, we cannot react to that pain by punishing the speaker," said. "As a > nation we have chosen a different course â€" to protect even hurtful speech on > public issues to ensure that we do not stifle public debate."> Alito strongly disagreed. "Our profound national commitment to free and open > debate is not a license for the vicious verbal assault that occurred in this > case," he said.> Snyder died in Iraq in 2006 and his body was returned to the United > States for burial. Members of the Westboro Baptist Church, who have picketed > military funerals for several years, decided to protest outside the > Westminster, Md., church where his funeral was to be held.> The Rev. Fred Phelps and his family members who make up most of the Westboro > Baptist Church have picketed many military funerals in their quest to draw > attention to their incendiary view that U.S. deaths in Afghanistan and Iraq are > God's punishment for the nation's tolerance of homosexuality.> They showed up with their usual signs, including "Thank God for dead soldiers," > "You're Going to Hell," "God Hates the USA/Thank God for 9/11," and one that > combined the U.S. Marine Corps motto, Semper Fi, with a slur against gay men.> The church members drew counter-demonstrators, as well as media coverage and a > heavy police presence to maintain order. The result was a spectacle that led to > altering the route of the funeral procession.> Several weeks later, Albert Snyder was surfing the Internet for tributes to his > son from other soldiers and strangers when he came upon a poem on the church's > website that attacked 's parents for the way they brought up their son.> Soon after, Snyder filed a lawsuit accusing the Phelpses of intentionally > inflicting emotional distress. He won $11 million at trial, later reduced by a > judge to $5 million.> The federal appeals court in Richmond, Va., threw out the verdict and said the > Constitution shielded the church members from liability.> Forty-eight states, 42 U.S. senators and veterans groups sided with Snyder, > asking the court to shield funerals from the Phelps family's "psychological > terrorism."> While distancing themselves from the church's message, media organizations, > including The Associated Press, urged the court to side with the Phelps family > because of concerns that a victory for Snyder could erode speech rights.> described the court's holding as narrow, and in a separate opinion, > Justice Breyer suggested in other circumstances, governments would not > be "powerless to provide private individuals with necessary protection."> But in this case, Breyer said, it would be wrong to "punish Westboro for > seeking to communicate its views on matters of public concern."> Margie Phelps, a daughter of the minister and a lawyer who argued the case at > the Supreme Court, said she expected the outcome. "The only surprise is that > Justice Alito did not feel compelled to follow his oath," Phelps said. "We read > the law. We follow the law. The only way for a different ruling is to shred the > First Amendment." > > She also offered her church's view of the decision. "I think it's pretty > self-explanatory, but here's the core point: The wrath of God is pouring onto > this land. Rather than trying to shut us up, use your platforms to tell this > nation to mourn for your sins."> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 I had to stop typing! I could very easily type a novel on my opinions on this subject. I am not a practicing religious person, but was brought up in a Baptist church. My personal beliefs are my own and I would never express them here or push them on anyone anywhere else. But these people PISS ME OFF!!!! My husband is over there! Although he is no longer in the military, I'm afraid my anger would take over my grief if they were to show up if , God forbid, an accident occurred and he came home to me in a box. Sorry to be so crass. And not that my MS would need the aggrivation, but I tend to get angry faster than I grieve about things. I was pissed first and cried a week later when my dad died. I mean, how dare he do that to me? ! I laugh about it now, and cry a little too. It has only been two years, but that's just how I handle grief I guess. Anger first then tears come usually much later. Can you imagine what I would be capable of???? I'd be the one that would have a purse bomb with me at the funeral or molatov cocktails hidden around the cemetary just in case! LOL And not for the Westboro idiots either. I'd be pissed at ! I'd be blowing up his truck unless Westboro showed up! Ok, I've made myself feel a little better by ranting a little and then turning the table some......time to stop typing. Tammy, Tx Subject: Re: US Supreme Court rules in favor of Westboro Baptist Church!To: MSersLife Date: Wednesday, March 2, 2011, 1:54 PM They do. And they give all decent Americans (or, at the very least, all decent Christian Americans) a bad name too. They are known in Sweden for a hate campaign against Swedes and/or Sweden (with the parole "God hates Sweden")*, expressed in, among other ways, slurring against family members of those Swedes who died in the 2004 tsunami in the Indian Ocean (Thailand was, and is I think a very popular tourist destination among Swedes, perhaps especially for family holidays, and because of that Sweden was the non-Asian country with the most dead and injured in that disaster, very many of the dead and injured Swedes were children). Now, they are of course less up close and personal here (since they have never been seen here, even if they claim to have travelled to Stockholm and picketed the Royal Castle). But I am sure hearing that a church is rejoicing in the death of her (or his) child is devastating and hurtful to a mother (or father), even if the church is not there to tell her (or him) that personally. And is upsetting to many who are less personally affected, too. The problem with all this (well, apart from the obvious...), is that to many Swedes they represent a typical American church (because many Swedes have experienced few or no other American churches), and hence haven't exactly contributed to a very positive image of American Christians/American churches among the Swedish general public. love /Reb * I am not sure what their "beef" with Sweden is exactly, I have heard the founder of the church saying that the Swedish princesses were wearing dresses that showed off, in his opinion, too much skin, for the Nobel Prize dinner. And I wouldn't be surprised if they disagree with some of the Swedish politics regarding gay people as well (judging from what I read below). I also don't know if they have staged similar campaigns against other countries, or if it's just Sweden. >> And they call themselves a church? Do they really believe they are Christian? > It's horrible' they're giving all decent Christians a horrific name!> This made me sick also to read it, Sharon.> love,> Kate> > > > > > ________________________________> To: Group mserslife > Sent: Wed, March 2, 2011 12:17:40 PM> Subject: US Supreme Court rules in favor of Westboro Baptist Church!> > > I dislike this decision so much. This so-called "church" is so hateful and > disgusting. I feel sick to my stomach for all the people they hurt by their > actions...> Sharon> > This email is a natural hand made product. The slight variations in spelling > and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way are to be > considered flaws or defects.> > > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110302/ap_on_re_us/us_supreme_court_funeral_protests> > > > > 1st Amendment protects military funeral protesters> By MARK SHERMAN, Associated Press Mark Sherman, Associated Press 12 mins ago > WASHINGTON â€" The Supreme Court ruled Wednesday that the First Amendment > protects fundamentalist church members who mount anti-gay protests outside > military funerals, despite the pain they cause grieving families.> The court voted 8-1 in favor of the Westboro Baptist Church of Topeka, Kan. The > decision upheld an appeals court ruling that threw out a $5 million judgment to > the father of a dead Marine who sued church members after they picketed his > son's funeral.> Chief Justice wrote the opinion for the court. Justice Alito > dissented.> said free speech rights in the First Amendment shield the funeral > protesters, noting that they obeyed police directions and were 1,000 feet from > the church.> "Speech is powerful. It can stir people to action, move them to tears of both > joy and sorrow, and â€" as it did here â€" inflict great pain. On the facts before > us, we cannot react to that pain by punishing the speaker," said. "As a > nation we have chosen a different course â€" to protect even hurtful speech on > public issues to ensure that we do not stifle public debate."> Alito strongly disagreed. "Our profound national commitment to free and open > debate is not a license for the vicious verbal assault that occurred in this > case," he said.> Snyder died in Iraq in 2006 and his body was returned to the United > States for burial. Members of the Westboro Baptist Church, who have picketed > military funerals for several years, decided to protest outside the > Westminster, Md., church where his funeral was to be held.> The Rev. Fred Phelps and his family members who make up most of the Westboro > Baptist Church have picketed many military funerals in their quest to draw > attention to their incendiary view that U.S. deaths in Afghanistan and Iraq are > God's punishment for the nation's tolerance of homosexuality.> They showed up with their usual signs, including "Thank God for dead soldiers," > "You're Going to Hell," "God Hates the USA/Thank God for 9/11," and one that > combined the U.S. Marine Corps motto, Semper Fi, with a slur against gay men.> The church members drew counter-demonstrators, as well as media coverage and a > heavy police presence to maintain order. The result was a spectacle that led to > altering the route of the funeral procession.> Several weeks later, Albert Snyder was surfing the Internet for tributes to his > son from other soldiers and strangers when he came upon a poem on the church's > website that attacked 's parents for the way they brought up their son.> Soon after, Snyder filed a lawsuit accusing the Phelpses of intentionally > inflicting emotional distress. He won $11 million at trial, later reduced by a > judge to $5 million.> The federal appeals court in Richmond, Va., threw out the verdict and said the > Constitution shielded the church members from liability.> Forty-eight states, 42 U.S. senators and veterans groups sided with Snyder, > asking the court to shield funerals from the Phelps family's "psychological > terrorism."> While distancing themselves from the church's message, media organizations, > including The Associated Press, urged the court to side with the Phelps family > because of concerns that a victory for Snyder could erode speech rights.> described the court's holding as narrow, and in a separate opinion, > Justice Breyer suggested in other circumstances, governments would not > be "powerless to provide private individuals with necessary protection."> But in this case, Breyer said, it would be wrong to "punish Westboro for > seeking to communicate its views on matters of public concern."> Margie Phelps, a daughter of the minister and a lawyer who argued the case at > the Supreme Court, said she expected the outcome. "The only surprise is that > Justice Alito did not feel compelled to follow his oath," Phelps said. "We read > the law. We follow the law. The only way for a different ruling is to shred the > First Amendment." > > She also offered her church's view of the decision. "I think it's pretty > self-explanatory, but here's the core point: The wrath of God is pouring onto > this land. Rather than trying to shut us up, use your platforms to tell this > nation to mourn for your sins."> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 They are not Christian> Christians follow the words of Christ, and they don't do that. Not even slightly. They are just evil. I saw an interview with some of them and it turned my stomach when they were PROUD of their hateful acts. And laughing about other's pain! How is THAT Christian in any way, shape or form?????   ~*~Hugs~*~ ~*~Akiba~*~ Pragmatic Visionary http://www.affiliates-natural-salt-lamps.com/pages/156.php -- US Supreme Court rules in favor of Westboro Baptist Church!> > > I dislike this decision so much. This so-called "church" is so hateful and > disgusting. I feel sick to my stomach for all the people they hurt by their > actions...> Sharon> > This email is a natural hand made product. The slight variations in spelling > and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way are to be > considered flaws or defects.> > > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110302/ap_on_re_us/us_supreme_court_funeral_protests> > > > > 1st Amendment protects military funeral protesters> By MARK SHERMAN, Associated Press Mark Sherman, Associated Press 12 mins ago > WASHINGTON â€" The Supreme Court ruled Wednesday that the First Amendment > protects fundamentalist church members who mount anti-gay protests outside > military funerals, despite the pain they cause grieving families.> The court voted 8-1 in favor of the Westboro Baptist Church of Topeka, Kan. The > decision upheld an appeals court ruling that threw out a $5 million judgment to > the father of a dead Marine who sued church members after they picketed his > son's funeral.> Chief Justice wrote the opinion for the court. Justice Alito > dissented.> said free speech rights in the First Amendment shield the funeral > protesters, noting that they obeyed police directions and were 1,000 feet from > the church.> "Speech is powerful. It can stir people to action, move them to tears of both > joy and sorrow, and â€" as it did here â€" inflict great pain. On the facts before > us, we cannot react to that pain by punishing the speaker," said. "As a > nation we have chosen a different course â€" to protect even hurtful speech on > public issues to ensure that we do not stifle public debate."> Alito strongly disagreed. "Our profound national commitment to free and open > debate is not a license for the vicious verbal assault that occurred in this > case," he said.> Snyder died in Iraq in 2006 and his body was returned to the United > States for burial. Members of the Westboro Baptist Church, who have picketed > military funerals for several years, decided to protest outside the > Westminster, Md., church where his funeral was to be held.> The Rev. Fred Phelps and his family members who make up most of the Westboro > Baptist Church have picketed many military funerals in their quest to draw > attention to their incendiary view that U.S. deaths in Afghanistan and Iraq are > God's punishment for the nation's tolerance of homosexuality.> They showed up with their usual signs, including "Thank God for dead soldiers," > "You're Going to Hell," "God Hates the USA/Thank God for 9/11," and one that > combined the U.S. Marine Corps motto, Semper Fi, with a slur against gay men.> The church members drew counter-demonstrators, as well as media coverage and a > heavy police presence to maintain order. The result was a spectacle that led to > altering the route of the funeral procession.> Several weeks later, Albert Snyder was surfing the Internet for tributes to his > son from other soldiers and strangers when he came upon a poem on the church's > website that attacked 's parents for the way they brought up their son.> Soon after, Snyder filed a lawsuit accusing the Phelpses of intentionally > inflicting emotional distress. He won $11 million at trial, later reduced by a > judge to $5 million.> The federal appeals court in Richmond, Va., threw out the verdict and said the > Constitution shielded the church members from liability.> Forty-eight states, 42 U.S. senators and veterans groups sided with Snyder, > asking the court to shield funerals from the Phelps family's "psychological > terrorism."> While distancing themselves from the church's message, media organizations, > including The Associated Press, urged the court to side with the Phelps family > because of concerns that a victory for Snyder could erode speech rights.> described the court's holding as narrow, and in a separate opinion, > Justice Breyer suggested in other circumstances, governments would not > be "powerless to provide private individuals with necessary protection."> But in this case, Breyer said, it would be wrong to "punish Westboro for > seeking to communicate its views on matters of public concern."> Margie Phelps, a daughter of the minister and a lawyer who argued the case at > the Supreme Court, said she expected the outcome. "The only surprise is that > Justice Alito did not feel compelled to follow his oath," Phelps said. "We read > the law. We follow the law. The only way for a different ruling is to shred the > First Amendment." > > She also offered her church's view of the decision. "I think it's pretty > self-explanatory, but here's the core point: The wrath of God is pouring onto > this land. Rather than trying to shut us up, use your platforms to tell this > nation to mourn for your sins."> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 They are not Christian> Christians follow the words of Christ, and they don't do that. Not even slightly. They are just evil. I saw an interview with some of them and it turned my stomach when they were PROUD of their hateful acts. And laughing about other's pain! How is THAT Christian in any way, shape or form?????   ~*~Hugs~*~ ~*~Akiba~*~ Pragmatic Visionary http://www.affiliates-natural-salt-lamps.com/pages/156.php -- US Supreme Court rules in favor of Westboro Baptist Church!> > > I dislike this decision so much. This so-called "church" is so hateful and > disgusting. I feel sick to my stomach for all the people they hurt by their > actions...> Sharon> > This email is a natural hand made product. The slight variations in spelling > and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way are to be > considered flaws or defects.> > > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110302/ap_on_re_us/us_supreme_court_funeral_protests> > > > > 1st Amendment protects military funeral protesters> By MARK SHERMAN, Associated Press Mark Sherman, Associated Press 12 mins ago > WASHINGTON â€" The Supreme Court ruled Wednesday that the First Amendment > protects fundamentalist church members who mount anti-gay protests outside > military funerals, despite the pain they cause grieving families.> The court voted 8-1 in favor of the Westboro Baptist Church of Topeka, Kan. The > decision upheld an appeals court ruling that threw out a $5 million judgment to > the father of a dead Marine who sued church members after they picketed his > son's funeral.> Chief Justice wrote the opinion for the court. Justice Alito > dissented.> said free speech rights in the First Amendment shield the funeral > protesters, noting that they obeyed police directions and were 1,000 feet from > the church.> "Speech is powerful. It can stir people to action, move them to tears of both > joy and sorrow, and â€" as it did here â€" inflict great pain. On the facts before > us, we cannot react to that pain by punishing the speaker," said. "As a > nation we have chosen a different course â€" to protect even hurtful speech on > public issues to ensure that we do not stifle public debate."> Alito strongly disagreed. "Our profound national commitment to free and open > debate is not a license for the vicious verbal assault that occurred in this > case," he said.> Snyder died in Iraq in 2006 and his body was returned to the United > States for burial. Members of the Westboro Baptist Church, who have picketed > military funerals for several years, decided to protest outside the > Westminster, Md., church where his funeral was to be held.> The Rev. Fred Phelps and his family members who make up most of the Westboro > Baptist Church have picketed many military funerals in their quest to draw > attention to their incendiary view that U.S. deaths in Afghanistan and Iraq are > God's punishment for the nation's tolerance of homosexuality.> They showed up with their usual signs, including "Thank God for dead soldiers," > "You're Going to Hell," "God Hates the USA/Thank God for 9/11," and one that > combined the U.S. Marine Corps motto, Semper Fi, with a slur against gay men.> The church members drew counter-demonstrators, as well as media coverage and a > heavy police presence to maintain order. The result was a spectacle that led to > altering the route of the funeral procession.> Several weeks later, Albert Snyder was surfing the Internet for tributes to his > son from other soldiers and strangers when he came upon a poem on the church's > website that attacked 's parents for the way they brought up their son.> Soon after, Snyder filed a lawsuit accusing the Phelpses of intentionally > inflicting emotional distress. He won $11 million at trial, later reduced by a > judge to $5 million.> The federal appeals court in Richmond, Va., threw out the verdict and said the > Constitution shielded the church members from liability.> Forty-eight states, 42 U.S. senators and veterans groups sided with Snyder, > asking the court to shield funerals from the Phelps family's "psychological > terrorism."> While distancing themselves from the church's message, media organizations, > including The Associated Press, urged the court to side with the Phelps family > because of concerns that a victory for Snyder could erode speech rights.> described the court's holding as narrow, and in a separate opinion, > Justice Breyer suggested in other circumstances, governments would not > be "powerless to provide private individuals with necessary protection."> But in this case, Breyer said, it would be wrong to "punish Westboro for > seeking to communicate its views on matters of public concern."> Margie Phelps, a daughter of the minister and a lawyer who argued the case at > the Supreme Court, said she expected the outcome. "The only surprise is that > Justice Alito did not feel compelled to follow his oath," Phelps said. "We read > the law. We follow the law. The only way for a different ruling is to shred the > First Amendment." > > She also offered her church's view of the decision. "I think it's pretty > self-explanatory, but here's the core point: The wrath of God is pouring onto > this land. Rather than trying to shut us up, use your platforms to tell this > nation to mourn for your sins."> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 They are not Christian> Christians follow the words of Christ, and they don't do that. Not even slightly. They are just evil. I saw an interview with some of them and it turned my stomach when they were PROUD of their hateful acts. And laughing about other's pain! How is THAT Christian in any way, shape or form?????   ~*~Hugs~*~ ~*~Akiba~*~ Pragmatic Visionary http://www.affiliates-natural-salt-lamps.com/pages/156.php -- US Supreme Court rules in favor of Westboro Baptist Church!> > > I dislike this decision so much. This so-called "church" is so hateful and > disgusting. I feel sick to my stomach for all the people they hurt by their > actions...> Sharon> > This email is a natural hand made product. The slight variations in spelling > and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way are to be > considered flaws or defects.> > > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110302/ap_on_re_us/us_supreme_court_funeral_protests> > > > > 1st Amendment protects military funeral protesters> By MARK SHERMAN, Associated Press Mark Sherman, Associated Press 12 mins ago > WASHINGTON â€" The Supreme Court ruled Wednesday that the First Amendment > protects fundamentalist church members who mount anti-gay protests outside > military funerals, despite the pain they cause grieving families.> The court voted 8-1 in favor of the Westboro Baptist Church of Topeka, Kan. The > decision upheld an appeals court ruling that threw out a $5 million judgment to > the father of a dead Marine who sued church members after they picketed his > son's funeral.> Chief Justice wrote the opinion for the court. Justice Alito > dissented.> said free speech rights in the First Amendment shield the funeral > protesters, noting that they obeyed police directions and were 1,000 feet from > the church.> "Speech is powerful. It can stir people to action, move them to tears of both > joy and sorrow, and â€" as it did here â€" inflict great pain. On the facts before > us, we cannot react to that pain by punishing the speaker," said. "As a > nation we have chosen a different course â€" to protect even hurtful speech on > public issues to ensure that we do not stifle public debate."> Alito strongly disagreed. "Our profound national commitment to free and open > debate is not a license for the vicious verbal assault that occurred in this > case," he said.> Snyder died in Iraq in 2006 and his body was returned to the United > States for burial. Members of the Westboro Baptist Church, who have picketed > military funerals for several years, decided to protest outside the > Westminster, Md., church where his funeral was to be held.> The Rev. Fred Phelps and his family members who make up most of the Westboro > Baptist Church have picketed many military funerals in their quest to draw > attention to their incendiary view that U.S. deaths in Afghanistan and Iraq are > God's punishment for the nation's tolerance of homosexuality.> They showed up with their usual signs, including "Thank God for dead soldiers," > "You're Going to Hell," "God Hates the USA/Thank God for 9/11," and one that > combined the U.S. Marine Corps motto, Semper Fi, with a slur against gay men.> The church members drew counter-demonstrators, as well as media coverage and a > heavy police presence to maintain order. The result was a spectacle that led to > altering the route of the funeral procession.> Several weeks later, Albert Snyder was surfing the Internet for tributes to his > son from other soldiers and strangers when he came upon a poem on the church's > website that attacked 's parents for the way they brought up their son.> Soon after, Snyder filed a lawsuit accusing the Phelpses of intentionally > inflicting emotional distress. He won $11 million at trial, later reduced by a > judge to $5 million.> The federal appeals court in Richmond, Va., threw out the verdict and said the > Constitution shielded the church members from liability.> Forty-eight states, 42 U.S. senators and veterans groups sided with Snyder, > asking the court to shield funerals from the Phelps family's "psychological > terrorism."> While distancing themselves from the church's message, media organizations, > including The Associated Press, urged the court to side with the Phelps family > because of concerns that a victory for Snyder could erode speech rights.> described the court's holding as narrow, and in a separate opinion, > Justice Breyer suggested in other circumstances, governments would not > be "powerless to provide private individuals with necessary protection."> But in this case, Breyer said, it would be wrong to "punish Westboro for > seeking to communicate its views on matters of public concern."> Margie Phelps, a daughter of the minister and a lawyer who argued the case at > the Supreme Court, said she expected the outcome. "The only surprise is that > Justice Alito did not feel compelled to follow his oath," Phelps said. "We read > the law. We follow the law. The only way for a different ruling is to shred the > First Amendment." > > She also offered her church's view of the decision. "I think it's pretty > self-explanatory, but here's the core point: The wrath of God is pouring onto > this land. Rather than trying to shut us up, use your platforms to tell this > nation to mourn for your sins."> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 they are a cult and the relationships are more than a tad incestuous God, grant me the strength of eagles wings, the faith and courage to fly to new heights, and the wisdom to rely on his spirit to carry me there. To: MSersLife Sent: Wed, March 2, 2011 2:41:37 PMSubject: Re: US Supreme Court rules in favor of Westboro Baptist Church! They are not Christian> Christians follow the words of Christ, and they don't do that. Not even slightly. They are just evil. I saw an interview with some of them and it turned my stomach when they were PROUD of their hateful acts. And laughing about other's pain! How is THAT Christian in any way, shape or form?????   ~*~Hugs~*~ ~*~Akiba~*~ Pragmatic Visionary http://www.affiliates-natural-salt-lamps.com/pages/156.php -- US Supreme Court rules in favor of Westboro Baptist Church!> > > I dislike this decision so much. This so-called "church" is so hateful and > disgusting. I feel sick to my stomach for all the people they hurt by their > actions...> Sharon> > This email is a natural hand made product. The slight variations in spelling > and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way are to be > considered flaws or defects.> > > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110302/ap_on_re_us/us_supreme_court_funeral_protests> > > > > 1st Amendment protects military funeral protesters> By MARK SHERMAN, Associated Press Mark Sherman, Associated Press 12 mins ago > WASHINGTON â€" The Supreme Court ruled Wednesday that the First Amendment > protects fundamentalist church members who mount anti-gay protests outside > military funerals, despite the pain they cause grieving families.> The court voted 8-1 in favor of the Westboro Baptist Church of Topeka, Kan. The > decision upheld an appeals court ruling that threw out a $5 million judgment to > the father of a dead Marine who sued church members after they picketed his > son's funeral.> Chief Justice wrote the opinion for the court. Justice Alito > dissented.> said free speech rights in the First Amendment shield the funeral > protesters, noting that they obeyed police directions and were 1,000 feet from > the church.> "Speech is powerful. It can stir people to action, move them to tears of both > joy and sorrow, and â€" as it did here â€" inflict great pain. On the facts before > us, we cannot react to that pain by punishing the speaker," said. "As a > nation we have chosen a different course â€" to protect even hurtful speech on > public issues to ensure that we do not stifle public debate."> Alito strongly disagreed. "Our profound national commitment to free and open > debate is not a license for the vicious verbal assault that occurred in this > case," he said.> Snyder died in Iraq in 2006 and his body was returned to the United > States for burial. Members of the Westboro Baptist Church, who have picketed > military funerals for several years, decided to protest outside the > Westminster, Md., church where his funeral was to be held.> The Rev. Fred Phelps and his family members who make up most of the Westboro > Baptist Church have picketed many military funerals in their quest to draw > attention to their incendiary view that U.S. deaths in Afghanistan and Iraq are > God's punishment for the nation's tolerance of homosexuality.> They showed up with their usual signs, including "Thank God for dead soldiers," > "You're Going to Hell," "God Hates the USA/Thank God for 9/11," and one that > combined the U.S. Marine Corps motto, Semper Fi, with a slur against gay men.> The church members drew counter-demonstrators, as well as media coverage and a > heavy police presence to maintain order. The result was a spectacle that led to > altering the route of the funeral procession.> Several weeks later, Albert Snyder was surfing the Internet for tributes to his > son from other soldiers and strangers when he came upon a poem on the church's > website that attacked 's parents for the way they brought up their son.> Soon after, Snyder filed a lawsuit accusing the Phelpses of intentionally > inflicting emotional distress. He won $11 million at trial, later reduced by a > judge to $5 million.> The federal appeals court in Richmond, Va., threw out the verdict and said the > Constitution shielded the church members from liability.> Forty-eight states, 42 U.S. senators and veterans groups sided with Snyder, > asking the court to shield funerals from the Phelps family's "psychological > terrorism."> While distancing themselves from the church's message, media organizations, > including The Associated Press, urged the court to side with the Phelps family > because of concerns that a victory for Snyder could erode speech rights.> described the court's holding as narrow, and in a separate opinion, > Justice Breyer suggested in other circumstances, governments would not > be "powerless to provide private individuals with necessary protection."> But in this case, Breyer said, it would be wrong to "punish Westboro for > seeking to communicate its views on matters of public concern."> Margie Phelps, a daughter of the minister and a lawyer who argued the case at > the Supreme Court, said she expected the outcome. "The only surprise is that > Justice Alito did not feel compelled to follow his oath," Phelps said. "We read > the law. We follow the law. The only way for a different ruling is to shred the > First Amendment." > > She also offered her church's view of the decision. "I think it's pretty > self-explanatory, but here's the core point: The wrath of God is pouring onto > this land. Rather than trying to shut us up, use your platforms to tell this > nation to mourn for your sins."> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 I agree with what you said Sharon. I am a veteran. It hurts me to think that our service men and women who die for our freedom need to be disgraced by these people. Margaret A. CoteTo: Group <mserslife >Sent: Wed, March 2, 2011 11:17:40 AMSubject: US Supreme Court rules in favor of Westboro Baptist Church! I dislike this decision so much. This so-called "church" is so hateful and disgusting. I feel sick to my stomach for all the people they hurt by their actions...SharonThis email is a natural hand made product. The slight variations in spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way are to be considered flaws or defects. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110302/ap_on_re_us/us_supreme_court_funeral_protests 1st Amendment protects military funeral protesters By MARK SHERMAN, Associated Press Mark Sherman, Associated Press 12 mins ago WASHINGTON – The Supreme Court ruled Wednesday that the First Amendment protects fundamentalist church members who mount anti-gay protests outside military funerals, despite the pain they cause grieving families. The court voted 8-1 in favor of the Westboro Baptist Church of Topeka, Kan. The decision upheld an appeals court ruling that threw out a $5 million judgment to the father of a dead Marine who sued church members after they picketed his son's funeral. Chief Justice wrote the opinion for the court. Justice Alito dissented. said free speech rights in the First Amendment shield the funeral protesters, noting that they obeyed police directions and were 1,000 feet from the church. "Speech is powerful. It can stir people to action, move them to tears of both joy and sorrow, and — as it did here — inflict great pain. On the facts before us, we cannot react to that pain by punishing the speaker," said. "As a nation we have chosen a different course — to protect even hurtful speech on public issues to ensure that we do not stifle public debate." Alito strongly disagreed. "Our profound national commitment to free and open debate is not a license for the vicious verbal assault that occurred in this case," he said. Snyder died in Iraq in 2006 and his body was returned to the United States for burial. Members of the Westboro Baptist Church, who have picketed military funerals for several years, decided to protest outside the Westminster, Md., church where his funeral was to be held. The Rev. Fred Phelps and his family members who make up most of the Westboro Baptist Church have picketed many military funerals in their quest to draw attention to their incendiary view that U.S. deaths in Afghanistan and Iraq are God's punishment for the nation's tolerance of homosexuality. They showed up with their usual signs, including "Thank God for dead soldiers," "You're Going to Hell," "God Hates the USA/Thank God for 9/11," and one that combined the U.S. Marine Corps motto, Semper Fi, with a slur against gay men. The church members drew counter-demonstrators, as well as media coverage and a heavy police presence to maintain order. The result was a spectacle that led to altering the route of the funeral procession. Several weeks later, Albert Snyder was surfing the Internet for tributes to his son from other soldiers and strangers when he came upon a poem on the church's website that attacked 's parents for the way they brought up their son. Soon after, Snyder filed a lawsuit accusing the Phelpses of intentionally inflicting emotional distress. He won $11 million at trial, later reduced by a judge to $5 million. The federal appeals court in Richmond, Va., threw out the verdict and said the Constitution shielded the church members from liability. Forty-eight states, 42 U.S. senators and veterans groups sided with Snyder, asking the court to shield funerals from the Phelps family's "psychological terrorism." While distancing themselves from the church's message, media organizations, including The Associated Press, urged the court to side with the Phelps family because of concerns that a victory for Snyder could erode speech rights. described the court's holding as narrow, and in a separate opinion, Justice Breyer suggested in other circumstances, governments would not be "powerless to provide private individuals with necessary protection." But in this case, Breyer said, it would be wrong to "punish Westboro for seeking to communicate its views on matters of public concern." Margie Phelps, a daughter of the minister and a lawyer who argued the case at the Supreme Court, said she expected the outcome. "The only surprise is that Justice Alito did not feel compelled to follow his oath," Phelps said. "We read the law. We follow the law. The only way for a different ruling is to shred the First Amendment." She also offered her church's view of the decision. "I think it's pretty self-explanatory, but here's the core point: The wrath of God is pouring onto this land. Rather than trying to shut us up, use your platforms to tell this nation to mourn for your sins." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 I agree with what you said Sharon. I am a veteran. It hurts me to think that our service men and women who die for our freedom need to be disgraced by these people. Margaret A. CoteTo: Group <mserslife >Sent: Wed, March 2, 2011 11:17:40 AMSubject: US Supreme Court rules in favor of Westboro Baptist Church! I dislike this decision so much. This so-called "church" is so hateful and disgusting. I feel sick to my stomach for all the people they hurt by their actions...SharonThis email is a natural hand made product. The slight variations in spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way are to be considered flaws or defects. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110302/ap_on_re_us/us_supreme_court_funeral_protests 1st Amendment protects military funeral protesters By MARK SHERMAN, Associated Press Mark Sherman, Associated Press 12 mins ago WASHINGTON – The Supreme Court ruled Wednesday that the First Amendment protects fundamentalist church members who mount anti-gay protests outside military funerals, despite the pain they cause grieving families. The court voted 8-1 in favor of the Westboro Baptist Church of Topeka, Kan. The decision upheld an appeals court ruling that threw out a $5 million judgment to the father of a dead Marine who sued church members after they picketed his son's funeral. Chief Justice wrote the opinion for the court. Justice Alito dissented. said free speech rights in the First Amendment shield the funeral protesters, noting that they obeyed police directions and were 1,000 feet from the church. "Speech is powerful. It can stir people to action, move them to tears of both joy and sorrow, and — as it did here — inflict great pain. On the facts before us, we cannot react to that pain by punishing the speaker," said. "As a nation we have chosen a different course — to protect even hurtful speech on public issues to ensure that we do not stifle public debate." Alito strongly disagreed. "Our profound national commitment to free and open debate is not a license for the vicious verbal assault that occurred in this case," he said. Snyder died in Iraq in 2006 and his body was returned to the United States for burial. Members of the Westboro Baptist Church, who have picketed military funerals for several years, decided to protest outside the Westminster, Md., church where his funeral was to be held. The Rev. Fred Phelps and his family members who make up most of the Westboro Baptist Church have picketed many military funerals in their quest to draw attention to their incendiary view that U.S. deaths in Afghanistan and Iraq are God's punishment for the nation's tolerance of homosexuality. They showed up with their usual signs, including "Thank God for dead soldiers," "You're Going to Hell," "God Hates the USA/Thank God for 9/11," and one that combined the U.S. Marine Corps motto, Semper Fi, with a slur against gay men. The church members drew counter-demonstrators, as well as media coverage and a heavy police presence to maintain order. The result was a spectacle that led to altering the route of the funeral procession. Several weeks later, Albert Snyder was surfing the Internet for tributes to his son from other soldiers and strangers when he came upon a poem on the church's website that attacked 's parents for the way they brought up their son. Soon after, Snyder filed a lawsuit accusing the Phelpses of intentionally inflicting emotional distress. He won $11 million at trial, later reduced by a judge to $5 million. The federal appeals court in Richmond, Va., threw out the verdict and said the Constitution shielded the church members from liability. Forty-eight states, 42 U.S. senators and veterans groups sided with Snyder, asking the court to shield funerals from the Phelps family's "psychological terrorism." While distancing themselves from the church's message, media organizations, including The Associated Press, urged the court to side with the Phelps family because of concerns that a victory for Snyder could erode speech rights. described the court's holding as narrow, and in a separate opinion, Justice Breyer suggested in other circumstances, governments would not be "powerless to provide private individuals with necessary protection." But in this case, Breyer said, it would be wrong to "punish Westboro for seeking to communicate its views on matters of public concern." Margie Phelps, a daughter of the minister and a lawyer who argued the case at the Supreme Court, said she expected the outcome. "The only surprise is that Justice Alito did not feel compelled to follow his oath," Phelps said. "We read the law. We follow the law. The only way for a different ruling is to shred the First Amendment." She also offered her church's view of the decision. "I think it's pretty self-explanatory, but here's the core point: The wrath of God is pouring onto this land. Rather than trying to shut us up, use your platforms to tell this nation to mourn for your sins." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 I agree with what you said Sharon. I am a veteran. It hurts me to think that our service men and women who die for our freedom need to be disgraced by these people. Margaret A. CoteTo: Group <mserslife >Sent: Wed, March 2, 2011 11:17:40 AMSubject: US Supreme Court rules in favor of Westboro Baptist Church! I dislike this decision so much. This so-called "church" is so hateful and disgusting. I feel sick to my stomach for all the people they hurt by their actions...SharonThis email is a natural hand made product. The slight variations in spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way are to be considered flaws or defects. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110302/ap_on_re_us/us_supreme_court_funeral_protests 1st Amendment protects military funeral protesters By MARK SHERMAN, Associated Press Mark Sherman, Associated Press 12 mins ago WASHINGTON – The Supreme Court ruled Wednesday that the First Amendment protects fundamentalist church members who mount anti-gay protests outside military funerals, despite the pain they cause grieving families. The court voted 8-1 in favor of the Westboro Baptist Church of Topeka, Kan. The decision upheld an appeals court ruling that threw out a $5 million judgment to the father of a dead Marine who sued church members after they picketed his son's funeral. Chief Justice wrote the opinion for the court. Justice Alito dissented. said free speech rights in the First Amendment shield the funeral protesters, noting that they obeyed police directions and were 1,000 feet from the church. "Speech is powerful. It can stir people to action, move them to tears of both joy and sorrow, and — as it did here — inflict great pain. On the facts before us, we cannot react to that pain by punishing the speaker," said. "As a nation we have chosen a different course — to protect even hurtful speech on public issues to ensure that we do not stifle public debate." Alito strongly disagreed. "Our profound national commitment to free and open debate is not a license for the vicious verbal assault that occurred in this case," he said. Snyder died in Iraq in 2006 and his body was returned to the United States for burial. Members of the Westboro Baptist Church, who have picketed military funerals for several years, decided to protest outside the Westminster, Md., church where his funeral was to be held. The Rev. Fred Phelps and his family members who make up most of the Westboro Baptist Church have picketed many military funerals in their quest to draw attention to their incendiary view that U.S. deaths in Afghanistan and Iraq are God's punishment for the nation's tolerance of homosexuality. They showed up with their usual signs, including "Thank God for dead soldiers," "You're Going to Hell," "God Hates the USA/Thank God for 9/11," and one that combined the U.S. Marine Corps motto, Semper Fi, with a slur against gay men. The church members drew counter-demonstrators, as well as media coverage and a heavy police presence to maintain order. The result was a spectacle that led to altering the route of the funeral procession. Several weeks later, Albert Snyder was surfing the Internet for tributes to his son from other soldiers and strangers when he came upon a poem on the church's website that attacked 's parents for the way they brought up their son. Soon after, Snyder filed a lawsuit accusing the Phelpses of intentionally inflicting emotional distress. He won $11 million at trial, later reduced by a judge to $5 million. The federal appeals court in Richmond, Va., threw out the verdict and said the Constitution shielded the church members from liability. Forty-eight states, 42 U.S. senators and veterans groups sided with Snyder, asking the court to shield funerals from the Phelps family's "psychological terrorism." While distancing themselves from the church's message, media organizations, including The Associated Press, urged the court to side with the Phelps family because of concerns that a victory for Snyder could erode speech rights. described the court's holding as narrow, and in a separate opinion, Justice Breyer suggested in other circumstances, governments would not be "powerless to provide private individuals with necessary protection." But in this case, Breyer said, it would be wrong to "punish Westboro for seeking to communicate its views on matters of public concern." Margie Phelps, a daughter of the minister and a lawyer who argued the case at the Supreme Court, said she expected the outcome. "The only surprise is that Justice Alito did not feel compelled to follow his oath," Phelps said. "We read the law. We follow the law. The only way for a different ruling is to shred the First Amendment." She also offered her church's view of the decision. "I think it's pretty self-explanatory, but here's the core point: The wrath of God is pouring onto this land. Rather than trying to shut us up, use your platforms to tell this nation to mourn for your sins." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 Seriously, Anne? That's just sick!To: MSersLife Sent: Wed, March 2, 2011 3:46:38 PMSubject: Re: US Supreme Court rules in favor of Westboro Baptist Church! they are a cult and the relationships are more than a tad incestuous God, grant me the strength of eagles wings, the faith and courage to fly to new heights, and the wisdom to rely on his spirit to carry me there. To: MSersLife Sent: Wed, March 2, 2011 2:41:37 PMSubject: Re: US Supreme Court rules in favor of Westboro Baptist Church! They are not Christian> Christians follow the words of Christ, and they don't do that. Not even slightly. They are just evil. I saw an interview with some of them and it turned my stomach when they were PROUD of their hateful acts. And laughing about other's pain! How is THAT Christian in any way, shape or form?????   ~*~Hugs~*~ ~*~Akiba~*~ Pragmatic Visionary http://www.affiliates-natural-salt-lamps.com/pages/156.php -- US Supreme Court rules in favor of Westboro Baptist Church!> > > I dislike this decision so much. This so-called "church" is so hateful and > disgusting. I feel sick to my stomach for all the people they hurt by their > actions...> Sharon> > This email is a natural hand made product. The slight variations in spelling > and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way are to be > considered flaws or defects.> > > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110302/ap_on_re_us/us_supreme_court_funeral_protests> > > > > 1st Amendment protects military funeral protesters> By MARK SHERMAN, Associated Press Mark Sherman, Associated Press 12 mins ago > WASHINGTON â€" The Supreme Court ruled Wednesday that the First Amendment > protects fundamentalist church members who mount anti-gay protests outside > military funerals, despite the pain they cause grieving families.> The court voted 8-1 in favor of the Westboro Baptist Church of Topeka, Kan. The > decision upheld an appeals court ruling that threw out a $5 million judgment to > the father of a dead Marine who sued church members after they picketed his > son's funeral.> Chief Justice wrote the opinion for the court. Justice Alito > dissented.> said free speech rights in the First Amendment shield the funeral > protesters, noting that they obeyed police directions and were 1,000 feet from > the church.> "Speech is powerful. It can stir people to action, move them to tears of both > joy and sorrow, and â€" as it did here â€" inflict great pain. On the facts before > us, we cannot react to that pain by punishing the speaker," said. "As a > nation we have chosen a different course â€" to protect even hurtful speech on > public issues to ensure that we do not stifle public debate."> Alito strongly disagreed. "Our profound national commitment to free and open > debate is not a license for the vicious verbal assault that occurred in this > case," he said.> Snyder died in Iraq in 2006 and his body was returned to the United > States for burial. Members of the Westboro Baptist Church, who have picketed > military funerals for several years, decided to protest outside the > Westminster, Md., church where his funeral was to be held.> The Rev. Fred Phelps and his family members who make up most of the Westboro > Baptist Church have picketed many military funerals in their quest to draw > attention to their incendiary view that U.S. deaths in Afghanistan and Iraq are > God's punishment for the nation's tolerance of homosexuality.> They showed up with their usual signs, including "Thank God for dead soldiers," > "You're Going to Hell," "God Hates the USA/Thank God for 9/11," and one that > combined the U.S. Marine Corps motto, Semper Fi, with a slur against gay men.> The church members drew counter-demonstrators, as well as media coverage and a > heavy police presence to maintain order. The result was a spectacle that led to > altering the route of the funeral procession.> Several weeks later, Albert Snyder was surfing the Internet for tributes to his > son from other soldiers and strangers when he came upon a poem on the church's > website that attacked 's parents for the way they brought up their son.> Soon after, Snyder filed a lawsuit accusing the Phelpses of intentionally > inflicting emotional distress. He won $11 million at trial, later reduced by a > judge to $5 million.> The federal appeals court in Richmond, Va., threw out the verdict and said the > Constitution shielded the church members from liability.> Forty-eight states, 42 U.S. senators and veterans groups sided with Snyder, > asking the court to shield funerals from the Phelps family's "psychological > terrorism."> While distancing themselves from the church's message, media organizations, > including The Associated Press, urged the court to side with the Phelps family > because of concerns that a victory for Snyder could erode speech rights.> described the court's holding as narrow, and in a separate opinion, > Justice Breyer suggested in other circumstances, governments would not > be "powerless to provide private individuals with necessary protection."> But in this case, Breyer said, it would be wrong to "punish Westboro for > seeking to communicate its views on matters of public concern."> Margie Phelps, a daughter of the minister and a lawyer who argued the case at > the Supreme Court, said she expected the outcome. "The only surprise is that > Justice Alito did not feel compelled to follow his oath," Phelps said. "We read > the law. We follow the law. The only way for a different ruling is to shred the > First Amendment." > > She also offered her church's view of the decision. "I think it's pretty > self-explanatory, but here's the core point: The wrath of God is pouring onto > this land. Rather than trying to shut us up, use your platforms to tell this > nation to mourn for your sins."> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 I think anger is an important part of grief, too often repressed (or at least hidden).I remember reading in a study about funerals where people had chosen rituals that differed from the regular/traditional, about a widow who had given all the funeral attendants plates, saucers etc from the dishware she and her diseased husband had received as wedding gifts, and asked them to crush them against the wall or floor to help her express her anger about her husband's death. And I remember thinking that was a very special and, I think, healing, funeral ritual. Perhaps not for everyone (and perhaps I wouldn't want to be the one to sweep the floor afterwards...). But special and beautiful just the same.love/Reb> >> > And they call themselves a church? Do they really believe they are Christian? > > It's horrible' they're giving all decent Christians a horrific name!> > This made me sick also to read it, Sharon.> > love,> > Kate> > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________> > From: Sharon wobbletowalk@> > To: Group mserslife > > Sent: Wed, March 2, 2011 12:17:40 PM> > Subject: US Supreme Court rules in favor of Westboro Baptist Church!> > > > > > I dislike this decision so much. This so-called "church" is so hateful and > > disgusting. I feel sick to my stomach for all the people they hurt by their > > actions...> > Sharon> > > > This email is a natural hand made product. The slight variations in spelling > > and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way are to be > > considered flaws or defects.> > > > > > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110302/ap_on_re_us/us_supreme_court_funeral_protests> > > > > > > > > > 1st Amendment protects military funeral protesters> > By MARK SHERMAN, Associated Press Mark Sherman, Associated Press 12 mins ago > > WASHINGTON â€" The Supreme Court ruled Wednesday that the First Amendment > > protects fundamentalist church members who mount anti-gay protests outside > > military funerals, despite the pain they cause grieving families.> > The court voted 8-1 in favor of the Westboro Baptist Church of Topeka, Kan. The > > decision upheld an appeals court ruling that threw out a $5 million judgment to > > the father of a dead Marine who sued church members after they picketed his > > son's funeral.> > Chief Justice wrote the opinion for the court. Justice Alito > > dissented.> > said free speech rights in the First Amendment shield the funeral > > protesters, noting that they obeyed police directions and were 1,000 feet from > > the church.> > "Speech is powerful. It can stir people to action, move them to tears of both > > joy and sorrow, and â€" as it did here â€" inflict great pain. On the facts before > > us, we cannot react to that pain by punishing the speaker," said. "As a > > nation we have chosen a different course â€" to protect even hurtful speech on > > public issues to ensure that we do not stifle public debate."> > Alito strongly disagreed. "Our profound national commitment to free and open > > debate is not a license for the vicious verbal assault that occurred in this > > case," he said.> > Snyder died in Iraq in 2006 and his body was returned to the United > > States for burial. Members of the Westboro Baptist Church, who have picketed > > military funerals for several years, decided to protest outside the > > Westminster, Md., church where his funeral was to be held.> > The Rev. Fred Phelps and his family members who make up most of the Westboro > > Baptist Church have picketed many military funerals in their quest to draw > > attention to their incendiary view that U.S. deaths in Afghanistan and Iraq are > > God's punishment for the nation's tolerance of homosexuality.> > They showed up with their usual signs, including "Thank God for dead soldiers," > > "You're Going to Hell," "God Hates the USA/Thank God for 9/11," and one that > > combined the U.S. Marine Corps motto, Semper Fi, with a slur against gay men.> > The church members drew counter-demonstrators, as well as media coverage and a > > heavy police presence to maintain order. The result was a spectacle that led to > > altering the route of the funeral procession.> > Several weeks later, Albert Snyder was surfing the Internet for tributes to his > > son from other soldiers and strangers when he came upon a poem on the church's > > website that attacked 's parents for the way they brought up their son.> > Soon after, Snyder filed a lawsuit accusing the Phelpses of intentionally > > inflicting emotional distress. He won $11 million at trial, later reduced by a > > judge to $5 million.> > The federal appeals court in Richmond, Va., threw out the verdict and said the > > Constitution shielded the church members from liability.> > Forty-eight states, 42 U.S. senators and veterans groups sided with Snyder, > > asking the court to shield funerals from the Phelps family's "psychological > > terrorism."> > While distancing themselves from the church's message, media organizations, > > including The Associated Press, urged the court to side with the Phelps family > > because of concerns that a victory for Snyder could erode speech rights.> > described the court's holding as narrow, and in a separate opinion, > > Justice Breyer suggested in other circumstances, governments would not > > be "powerless to provide private individuals with necessary protection."> > But in this case, Breyer said, it would be wrong to "punish Westboro for > > seeking to communicate its views on matters of public concern."> > Margie Phelps, a daughter of the minister and a lawyer who argued the case at > > the Supreme Court, said she expected the outcome. "The only surprise is that > > Justice Alito did not feel compelled to follow his oath," Phelps said. "We read > > the law. We follow the law. The only way for a different ruling is to shred the > > First Amendment." > > > > She also offered her church's view of the decision. "I think it's pretty > > self-explanatory, but here's the core point: The wrath of God is pouring onto > > this land. Rather than trying to shut us up, use your platforms to tell this > > nation to mourn for your sins."> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 I know. And (most) Swedes are well aware that Christians in Sweden don't act like that. But some, too many, tend to believe that it's the American version of Christianity (because they have seen quite little of American Christianity, and the Westboro people do present themselves as a church). I work against that misconception as much as I can. love/Reb > > > > And they call themselves a church? Do they really believe they are> Christian? > > It's horrible' they're giving all decent Christians a horrific name! > > This made me sick also to read it, Sharon. > > love, > > Kate > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Sharon wobbletowalk@ > > To: Group mserslife > > Sent: Wed, March 2, 2011 12:17:40 PM > > Subject: US Supreme Court rules in favor of Westboro Baptist> Church! > > > > > > I dislike this decision so much. This so-called "church" is so hateful and> > > disgusting. I feel sick to my stomach for all the people they hurt by> their > > actions... > > Sharon > > > > This email is a natural hand made product. The slight variations in> spelling > > and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way are> to be > > considered flaws or defects. > > > > > > http://news.yahoo> com/s/ap/20110302/ap_on_re_us/us_supreme_court_funeral_protests > > > > > > > > > > 1st Amendment protects military funeral protesters > > By MARK SHERMAN, Associated Press Mark Sherman, Associated Press 12 mins> ago > > WASHINGTON â€" The Supreme Court ruled Wednesday that the First Amendment > > protects fundamentalist church members who mount anti-gay protests outside> > > military funerals, despite the pain they cause grieving families. > > The court voted 8-1 in favor of the Westboro Baptist Church of Topeka, Kan> The > > decision upheld an appeals court ruling that threw out a $5 million> judgment to > > the father of a dead Marine who sued church members after they picketed> his > > son's funeral. > > Chief Justice wrote the opinion for the court. Justice > Alito > > dissented. > > said free speech rights in the First Amendment shield the funeral > > protesters, noting that they obeyed police directions and were 1,000 feet> from > > the church. > > "Speech is powerful. It can stir people to action, move them to tears of> both > > joy and sorrow, and â€" as it did here â€" inflict great pain. On the> facts before > > us, we cannot react to that pain by punishing the speaker," said. > As a > > nation we have chosen a different course â€" to protect even hurtful> speech on > > public issues to ensure that we do not stifle public debate." > > Alito strongly disagreed. "Our profound national commitment to free and> open > > debate is not a license for the vicious verbal assault that occurred in> this > > case," he said. > > Snyder died in Iraq in 2006 and his body was returned to the> United > > States for burial. Members of the Westboro Baptist Church, who have> picketed > > military funerals for several years, decided to protest outside the > > Westminster, Md., church where his funeral was to be held. > > The Rev. Fred Phelps and his family members who make up most of the> Westboro > > Baptist Church have picketed many military funerals in their quest to draw> > > attention to their incendiary view that U.S. deaths in Afghanistan and> Iraq are > > God's punishment for the nation's tolerance of homosexuality. > > They showed up with their usual signs, including "Thank God for dead> soldiers," > > "You're Going to Hell," "God Hates the USA/Thank God for 9/11," and one> that > > combined the U.S. Marine Corps motto, Semper Fi, with a slur against gay> men. > > The church members drew counter-demonstrators, as well as media coverage> and a > > heavy police presence to maintain order. The result was a spectacle that> led to > > altering the route of the funeral procession. > > Several weeks later, Albert Snyder was surfing the Internet for tributes> to his > > son from other soldiers and strangers when he came upon a poem on the> church's > > website that attacked 's parents for the way they brought up their> son. > > Soon after, Snyder filed a lawsuit accusing the Phelpses of intentionally > > inflicting emotional distress. He won $11 million at trial, later reduced> by a > > judge to $5 million. > > The federal appeals court in Richmond, Va., threw out the verdict and said> the > > Constitution shielded the church members from liability. > > Forty-eight states, 42 U.S. senators and veterans groups sided with Snyder> > > asking the court to shield funerals from the Phelps family's > psychological > > terrorism." > > While distancing themselves from the church's message, media organizations> > > including The Associated Press, urged the court to side with the Phelps> family > > because of concerns that a victory for Snyder could erode speech rights. > > described the court's holding as narrow, and in a separate opinion> > > Justice Breyer suggested in other circumstances, governments would> not > > be "powerless to provide private individuals with necessary protection." > > But in this case, Breyer said, it would be wrong to "punish Westboro for > > seeking to communicate its views on matters of public concern." > > Margie Phelps, a daughter of the minister and a lawyer who argued the case> at > > the Supreme Court, said she expected the outcome. "The only surprise is> that > > Justice Alito did not feel compelled to follow his oath," Phelps said. "We> read > > the law. We follow the law. The only way for a different ruling is to> shred the > > First Amendment." > > > > She also offered her church's view of the decision. "I think it's pretty > > self-explanatory, but here's the core point: The wrath of God is pouring> onto > > this land. Rather than trying to shut us up, use your platforms to tell> this > > nation to mourn for your sins." > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 I don't like them - but legally we dkon't have the law on our side God, grant me the strength of eagles wings, the faith and courage to fly to new heights, and the wisdom to rely on his spirit to carry me there. To: MSersLife Sent: Wed, March 2, 2011 3:24:21 PMSubject: Re: US Supreme Court rules in favor of Westboro Baptist Church! Seriously, Anne? That's just sick! To: MSersLife Sent: Wed, March 2, 2011 3:46:38 PMSubject: Re: US Supreme Court rules in favor of Westboro Baptist Church! they are a cult and the relationships are more than a tad incestuous God, grant me the strength of eagles wings, the faith and courage to fly to new heights, and the wisdom to rely on his spirit to carry me there. To: MSersLife Sent: Wed, March 2, 2011 2:41:37 PMSubject: Re: US Supreme Court rules in favor of Westboro Baptist Church! They are not Christian> Christians follow the words of Christ, and they don't do that. Not even slightly. They are just evil. I saw an interview with some of them and it turned my stomach when they were PROUD of their hateful acts. And laughing about other's pain! How is THAT Christian in any way, shape or form?????   ~*~Hugs~*~ ~*~Akiba~*~ Pragmatic Visionary http://www.affiliates-natural-salt-lamps.com/pages/156.php -- US Supreme Court rules in favor of Westboro Baptist Church!> > > I dislike this decision so much. This so-called "church" is so hateful and > disgusting. I feel sick to my stomach for all the people they hurt by their > actions...> Sharon> > This email is a natural hand made product. The slight variations in spelling > and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way are to be > considered flaws or defects.> > > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110302/ap_on_re_us/us_supreme_court_funeral_protests> > > > > 1st Amendment protects military funeral protesters> By MARK SHERMAN, Associated Press Mark Sherman, Associated Press 12 mins ago > WASHINGTON â€" The Supreme Court ruled Wednesday that the First Amendment > protects fundamentalist church members who mount anti-gay protests outside > military funerals, despite the pain they cause grieving families.> The court voted 8-1 in favor of the Westboro Baptist Church of Topeka, Kan. The > decision upheld an appeals court ruling that threw out a $5 million judgment to > the father of a dead Marine who sued church members after they picketed his > son's funeral.> Chief Justice wrote the opinion for the court. Justice Alito > dissented.> said free speech rights in the First Amendment shield the funeral > protesters, noting that they obeyed police directions and were 1,000 feet from > the church.> "Speech is powerful. It can stir people to action, move them to tears of both > joy and sorrow, and â€" as it did here â€" inflict great pain. On the facts before > us, we cannot react to that pain by punishing the speaker," said. "As a > nation we have chosen a different course â€" to protect even hurtful speech on > public issues to ensure that we do not stifle public debate."> Alito strongly disagreed. "Our profound national commitment to free and open > debate is not a license for the vicious verbal assault that occurred in this > case," he said.> Snyder died in Iraq in 2006 and his body was returned to the United > States for burial. Members of the Westboro Baptist Church, who have picketed > military funerals for several years, decided to protest outside the > Westminster, Md., church where his funeral was to be held.> The Rev. Fred Phelps and his family members who make up most of the Westboro > Baptist Church have picketed many military funerals in their quest to draw > attention to their incendiary view that U.S. deaths in Afghanistan and Iraq are > God's punishment for the nation's tolerance of homosexuality.> They showed up with their usual signs, including "Thank God for dead soldiers," > "You're Going to Hell," "God Hates the USA/Thank God for 9/11," and one that > combined the U.S. Marine Corps motto, Semper Fi, with a slur against gay men.> The church members drew counter-demonstrators, as well as media coverage and a > heavy police presence to maintain order. The result was a spectacle that led to > altering the route of the funeral procession.> Several weeks later, Albert Snyder was surfing the Internet for tributes to his > son from other soldiers and strangers when he came upon a poem on the church's > website that attacked 's parents for the way they brought up their son.> Soon after, Snyder filed a lawsuit accusing the Phelpses of intentionally > inflicting emotional distress. He won $11 million at trial, later reduced by a > judge to $5 million.> The federal appeals court in Richmond, Va., threw out the verdict and said the > Constitution shielded the church members from liability.> Forty-eight states, 42 U.S. senators and veterans groups sided with Snyder, > asking the court to shield funerals from the Phelps family's "psychological > terrorism."> While distancing themselves from the church's message, media organizations, > including The Associated Press, urged the court to side with the Phelps family > because of concerns that a victory for Snyder could erode speech rights.> described the court's holding as narrow, and in a separate opinion, > Justice Breyer suggested in other circumstances, governments would not > be "powerless to provide private individuals with necessary protection."> But in this case, Breyer said, it would be wrong to "punish Westboro for > seeking to communicate its views on matters of public concern."> Margie Phelps, a daughter of the minister and a lawyer who argued the case at > the Supreme Court, said she expected the outcome. "The only surprise is that > Justice Alito did not feel compelled to follow his oath," Phelps said. "We read > the law. We follow the law. The only way for a different ruling is to shred the > First Amendment." > > She also offered her church's view of the decision. "I think it's pretty > self-explanatory, but here's the core point: The wrath of God is pouring onto > this land. Rather than trying to shut us up, use your platforms to tell this > nation to mourn for your sins."> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 I wish the earth would open and swallow these people - and the " neonazis " , and every other hate group - but free speech is free speech, and a right that I and Himself and our son and every other serviceperson took and oath to defend, sigh. Want to get rid of them? Stand up. They threatened a couple of weeks ago to come and protest at a funeral for a boy killed in Afghanistan, just up the road in Sheridan. Every veteran, biker, cop, firefighter, and damned near every civilian able to get there turned up and surrounded the church and the cemetery, and lined the streets in between. Guess who DIDN'T show? They have the right to say any stupid hateful thing they come up with (though everyCHristian group in the world should sue them for libel for calling themselves a " Christian " church.). I have the right to counter-protest, and to " give them the bonnet " - turn my back and shun them in the most public way possible. You do too. Can't nobody get sued for turning the cold shoulder. in WY Practical Blackwork Designs http://practicalblackwork.com http://practical-blackwork.blogspot.com " You get a wonderful view from the point of no return... " US Supreme Court rules in favor of Westboro Baptist Church! I dislike this decision so much. This so-called " church " is so hateful and disgusting. I feel sick to my stomach for all the people they hurt by their actions... Sharon This email is a natural hand made product. The slight variations in spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way are to be considered flaws or defects. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110302/ap_on_re_us/us_supreme_court_funeral_pro tests 1st Amendment protects military funeral protesters By MARK SHERMAN, Associated Press Mark Sherman, Associated Press 12 mins ago WASHINGTON – The Supreme Court ruled Wednesday that the First Amendment protects fundamentalist church members who mount anti-gay protests outside military funerals, despite the pain they cause grieving families. The court voted 8-1 in favor of the Westboro Baptist Church of Topeka, Kan. The decision upheld an appeals court ruling that threw out a $5 million judgment to the father of a dead Marine who sued church members after they picketed his son's funeral. Chief Justice wrote the opinion for the court. Justice Alito dissented. said free speech rights in the First Amendment shield the funeral protesters, noting that they obeyed police directions and were 1,000 feet from the church. " Speech is powerful. It can stir people to action, move them to tears of both joy and sorrow, and — as it did here — inflict great pain. On the facts before us, we cannot react to that pain by punishing the speaker, " said. " As a nation we have chosen a different course — to protect even hurtful speech on public issues to ensure that we do not stifle public debate. " Alito strongly disagreed. " Our profound national commitment to free and open debate is not a license for the vicious verbal assault that occurred in this case, " he said. Snyder died in Iraq in 2006 and his body was returned to the United States for burial. Members of the Westboro Baptist Church, who have picketed military funerals for several years, decided to protest outside the Westminster, Md., church where his funeral was to be held. The Rev. Fred Phelps and his family members who make up most of the Westboro Baptist Church have picketed many military funerals in their quest to draw attention to their incendiary view that U.S. deaths in Afghanistan and Iraq are God's punishment for the nation's tolerance of homosexuality. They showed up with their usual signs, including " Thank God for dead soldiers, " " You're Going to Hell, " " God Hates the USA/Thank God for 9/11, " and one that combined the U.S. Marine Corps motto, Semper Fi, with a slur against gay men. The church members drew counter-demonstrators, as well as media coverage and a heavy police presence to maintain order. The result was a spectacle that led to altering the route of the funeral procession. Several weeks later, Albert Snyder was surfing the Internet for tributes to his son from other soldiers and strangers when he came upon a poem on the church's website that attacked 's parents for the way they brought up their son. Soon after, Snyder filed a lawsuit accusing the Phelpses of intentionally inflicting emotional distress. He won $11 million at trial, later reduced by a judge to $5 million. The federal appeals court in Richmond, Va., threw out the verdict and said the Constitution shielded the church members from liability. Forty-eight states, 42 U.S. senators and veterans groups sided with Snyder, asking the court to shield funerals from the Phelps family's " psychological terrorism. " While distancing themselves from the church's message, media organizations, including The Associated Press, urged the court to side with the Phelps family because of concerns that a victory for Snyder could erode speech rights. described the court's holding as narrow, and in a separate opinion, Justice Breyer suggested in other circumstances, governments would not be " powerless to provide private individuals with necessary protection. " But in this case, Breyer said, it would be wrong to " punish Westboro for seeking to communicate its views on matters of public concern. " Margie Phelps, a daughter of the minister and a lawyer who argued the case at the Supreme Court, said she expected the outcome. " The only surprise is that Justice Alito did not feel compelled to follow his oath, " Phelps said. " We read the law. We follow the law. The only way for a different ruling is to shred the First Amendment. " She also offered her church's view of the decision. " I think it's pretty self-explanatory, but here's the core point: The wrath of God is pouring onto this land. Rather than trying to shut us up, use your platforms to tell this nation to mourn for your sins. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 Good for your village for coming out in droves to drive them away!There's only one judge! And that be G*d Himself!I'm getting sick all over again about these folks...To: MSersLife Sent: Wed, March 2, 2011 5:24:58 PMSubject: RE: US Supreme Court rules in favor of Westboro Baptist Church! I wish the earth would open and swallow these people - and the "neonazis", and every other hate group - but free speech is free speech, and a right that I and Himself and our son and every other serviceperson took and oath to defend, sigh. Want to get rid of them? Stand up. They threatened a couple of weeks ago to come and protest at a funeral for a boy killed in Afghanistan, just up the road in Sheridan. Every veteran, biker, cop, firefighter, and damned near every civilian able to get there turned up and surrounded the church and the cemetery, and lined the streets in between. Guess who DIDN'T show? They have the right to say any stupid hateful thing they come up with (though everyCHristian group in the world should sue them for libel for calling themselves a "Christian" church.). I have the right to counter-protest, and to "give them the bonnet" - turn my back and shun them in the most public way possible. You do too. Can't nobody get sued for turning the cold shoulder. in WY Practical Blackwork Designs http://practicalblackwork.com http://practical-blackwork.blogspot.com "You get a wonderful view from the point of no return..." US Supreme Court rules in favor of Westboro Baptist Church! I dislike this decision so much. This so-called "church" is so hateful and disgusting. I feel sick to my stomach for all the people they hurt by their actions... Sharon This email is a natural hand made product. The slight variations in spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way are to be considered flaws or defects. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110302/ap_on_re_us/us_supreme_court_funeral_pro tests 1st Amendment protects military funeral protesters By MARK SHERMAN, Associated Press Mark Sherman, Associated Press 12 mins ago WASHINGTON – The Supreme Court ruled Wednesday that the First Amendment protects fundamentalist church members who mount anti-gay protests outside military funerals, despite the pain they cause grieving families. The court voted 8-1 in favor of the Westboro Baptist Church of Topeka, Kan. The decision upheld an appeals court ruling that threw out a $5 million judgment to the father of a dead Marine who sued church members after they picketed his son's funeral. Chief Justice wrote the opinion for the court. Justice Alito dissented. said free speech rights in the First Amendment shield the funeral protesters, noting that they obeyed police directions and were 1,000 feet from the church. "Speech is powerful. It can stir people to action, move them to tears of both joy and sorrow, and — as it did here — inflict great pain. On the facts before us, we cannot react to that pain by punishing the speaker," said. "As a nation we have chosen a different course — to protect even hurtful speech on public issues to ensure that we do not stifle public debate." Alito strongly disagreed. "Our profound national commitment to free and open debate is not a license for the vicious verbal assault that occurred in this case," he said. Snyder died in Iraq in 2006 and his body was returned to the United States for burial. Members of the Westboro Baptist Church, who have picketed military funerals for several years, decided to protest outside the Westminster, Md., church where his funeral was to be held. The Rev. Fred Phelps and his family members who make up most of the Westboro Baptist Church have picketed many military funerals in their quest to draw attention to their incendiary view that U.S. deaths in Afghanistan and Iraq are God's punishment for the nation's tolerance of homosexuality. They showed up with their usual signs, including "Thank God for dead soldiers," "You're Going to Hell," "God Hates the USA/Thank God for 9/11," and one that combined the U.S. Marine Corps motto, Semper Fi, with a slur against gay men. The church members drew counter-demonstrators, as well as media coverage and a heavy police presence to maintain order. The result was a spectacle that led to altering the route of the funeral procession. Several weeks later, Albert Snyder was surfing the Internet for tributes to his son from other soldiers and strangers when he came upon a poem on the church's website that attacked 's parents for the way they brought up their son. Soon after, Snyder filed a lawsuit accusing the Phelpses of intentionally inflicting emotional distress. He won $11 million at trial, later reduced by a judge to $5 million. The federal appeals court in Richmond, Va., threw out the verdict and said the Constitution shielded the church members from liability. Forty-eight states, 42 U.S. senators and veterans groups sided with Snyder, asking the court to shield funerals from the Phelps family's "psychological terrorism." While distancing themselves from the church's message, media organizations, including The Associated Press, urged the court to side with the Phelps family because of concerns that a victory for Snyder could erode speech rights. described the court's holding as narrow, and in a separate opinion, Justice Breyer suggested in other circumstances, governments would not be "powerless to provide private individuals with necessary protection." But in this case, Breyer said, it would be wrong to "punish Westboro for seeking to communicate its views on matters of public concern." Margie Phelps, a daughter of the minister and a lawyer who argued the case at the Supreme Court, said she expected the outcome. "The only surprise is that Justice Alito did not feel compelled to follow his oath," Phelps said. "We read the law. We follow the law. The only way for a different ruling is to shred the First Amendment." She also offered her church's view of the decision. "I think it's pretty self-explanatory, but here's the core point: The wrath of God is pouring onto this land. Rather than trying to shut us up, use your platforms to tell this nation to mourn for your sins." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2011 Report Share Posted March 3, 2011 Yeah, I think Evil covers it. And yes, very pleased with herself...laughing about other's pain, proud of her hatred...ugly. Physically, morally, emotionally...ugly.   ~*~Hugs~*~ ~*~Akiba~*~ Pragmatic Visionary http://www.affiliates-natural-salt-lamps.com/pages/156.php -- US Supreme Court rules in favor of Westboro Baptist Church!> > > I dislike this decision so much. This so-called "church" is so hateful and > disgusting. I feel sick to my stomach for all the people they hurt by their > actions...> Sharon> > This email is a natural hand made product. The slight variations in spelling > and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way are to be > considered flaws or defects.> > > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110302/ap_on_re_us/us_supreme_court_funeral_protests> > > > > 1st Amendment protects military funeral protesters> By MARK SHERMAN, Associated Press Mark Sherman, Associated Press 12 mins ago > WASHINGTON â€" The Supreme Court ruled Wednesday that the First Amendment > protects fundamentalist church members who mount anti-gay protests outside > military funerals, despite the pain they cause grieving families.> The court voted 8-1 in favor of the Westboro Baptist Church of Topeka, Kan. The > decision upheld an appeals court ruling that threw out a $5 million judgment to > the father of a dead Marine who sued church members after they picketed his > son's funeral.> Chief Justice wrote the opinion for the court. Justice Alito > dissented.> said free speech rights in the First Amendment shield the funeral > protesters, noting that they obeyed police directions and were 1,000 feet from > the church.> "Speech is powerful. It can stir people to action, move them to tears of both > joy and sorrow, and â€" as it did here â€" inflict great pain. On the facts before > us, we cannot react to that pain by punishing the speaker," said. "As a > nation we have chosen a different course â€" to protect even hurtful speech on > public issues to ensure that we do not stifle public debate."> Alito strongly disagreed. "Our profound national commitment to free and open > debate is not a license for the vicious verbal assault that occurred in this > case," he said.> Snyder died in Iraq in 2006 and his body was returned to the United > States for burial. Members of the Westboro Baptist Church, who have picketed > military funerals for several years, decided to protest outside the > Westminster, Md., church where his funeral was to be held.> The Rev. Fred Phelps and his family members who make up most of the Westboro > Baptist Church have picketed many military funerals in their quest to draw > attention to their incendiary view that U.S. deaths in Afghanistan and Iraq are > God's punishment for the nation's tolerance of homosexuality.> They showed up with their usual signs, including "Thank God for dead soldiers," > "You're Going to Hell," "God Hates the USA/Thank God for 9/11," and one that > combined the U.S. Marine Corps motto, Semper Fi, with a slur against gay men.> The church members drew counter-demonstrators, as well as media coverage and a > heavy police presence to maintain order. The result was a spectacle that led to > altering the route of the funeral procession.> Several weeks later, Albert Snyder was surfing the Internet for tributes to his > son from other soldiers and strangers when he came upon a poem on the church's > website that attacked 's parents for the way they brought up their son.> Soon after, Snyder filed a lawsuit accusing the Phelpses of intentionally > inflicting emotional distress. He won $11 million at trial, later reduced by a > judge to $5 million.> The federal appeals court in Richmond, Va., threw out the verdict and said the > Constitution shielded the church members from liability.> Forty-eight states, 42 U.S. senators and veterans groups sided with Snyder, > asking the court to shield funerals from the Phelps family's "psychological > terrorism."> While distancing themselves from the church's message, media organizations, > including The Associated Press, urged the court to side with the Phelps family > because of concerns that a victory for Snyder could erode speech rights.> described the court's holding as narrow, and in a separate opinion, > Justice Breyer suggested in other circumstances, governments would not > be "powerless to provide private individuals with necessary protection."> But in this case, Breyer said, it would be wrong to "punish Westboro for > seeking to communicate its views on matters of public concern."> Margie Phelps, a daughter of the minister and a lawyer who argued the case at > the Supreme Court, said she expected the outcome. "The only surprise is that > Justice Alito did not feel compelled to follow his oath," Phelps said. "We read > the law. We follow the law. The only way for a different ruling is to shred the > First Amendment." > > She also offered her church's view of the decision. "I think it's pretty > self-explanatory, but here's the core point: The wrath of God is pouring onto > this land. Rather than trying to shut us up, use your platforms to tell this > nation to mourn for your sins."> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2011 Report Share Posted March 3, 2011 Yeah, I think Evil covers it. And yes, very pleased with herself...laughing about other's pain, proud of her hatred...ugly. Physically, morally, emotionally...ugly.   ~*~Hugs~*~ ~*~Akiba~*~ Pragmatic Visionary http://www.affiliates-natural-salt-lamps.com/pages/156.php -- US Supreme Court rules in favor of Westboro Baptist Church!> > > I dislike this decision so much. This so-called "church" is so hateful and > disgusting. I feel sick to my stomach for all the people they hurt by their > actions...> Sharon> > This email is a natural hand made product. The slight variations in spelling > and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way are to be > considered flaws or defects.> > > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110302/ap_on_re_us/us_supreme_court_funeral_protests> > > > > 1st Amendment protects military funeral protesters> By MARK SHERMAN, Associated Press Mark Sherman, Associated Press 12 mins ago > WASHINGTON â€" The Supreme Court ruled Wednesday that the First Amendment > protects fundamentalist church members who mount anti-gay protests outside > military funerals, despite the pain they cause grieving families.> The court voted 8-1 in favor of the Westboro Baptist Church of Topeka, Kan. The > decision upheld an appeals court ruling that threw out a $5 million judgment to > the father of a dead Marine who sued church members after they picketed his > son's funeral.> Chief Justice wrote the opinion for the court. Justice Alito > dissented.> said free speech rights in the First Amendment shield the funeral > protesters, noting that they obeyed police directions and were 1,000 feet from > the church.> "Speech is powerful. It can stir people to action, move them to tears of both > joy and sorrow, and â€" as it did here â€" inflict great pain. On the facts before > us, we cannot react to that pain by punishing the speaker," said. "As a > nation we have chosen a different course â€" to protect even hurtful speech on > public issues to ensure that we do not stifle public debate."> Alito strongly disagreed. "Our profound national commitment to free and open > debate is not a license for the vicious verbal assault that occurred in this > case," he said.> Snyder died in Iraq in 2006 and his body was returned to the United > States for burial. Members of the Westboro Baptist Church, who have picketed > military funerals for several years, decided to protest outside the > Westminster, Md., church where his funeral was to be held.> The Rev. Fred Phelps and his family members who make up most of the Westboro > Baptist Church have picketed many military funerals in their quest to draw > attention to their incendiary view that U.S. deaths in Afghanistan and Iraq are > God's punishment for the nation's tolerance of homosexuality.> They showed up with their usual signs, including "Thank God for dead soldiers," > "You're Going to Hell," "God Hates the USA/Thank God for 9/11," and one that > combined the U.S. Marine Corps motto, Semper Fi, with a slur against gay men.> The church members drew counter-demonstrators, as well as media coverage and a > heavy police presence to maintain order. The result was a spectacle that led to > altering the route of the funeral procession.> Several weeks later, Albert Snyder was surfing the Internet for tributes to his > son from other soldiers and strangers when he came upon a poem on the church's > website that attacked 's parents for the way they brought up their son.> Soon after, Snyder filed a lawsuit accusing the Phelpses of intentionally > inflicting emotional distress. He won $11 million at trial, later reduced by a > judge to $5 million.> The federal appeals court in Richmond, Va., threw out the verdict and said the > Constitution shielded the church members from liability.> Forty-eight states, 42 U.S. senators and veterans groups sided with Snyder, > asking the court to shield funerals from the Phelps family's "psychological > terrorism."> While distancing themselves from the church's message, media organizations, > including The Associated Press, urged the court to side with the Phelps family > because of concerns that a victory for Snyder could erode speech rights.> described the court's holding as narrow, and in a separate opinion, > Justice Breyer suggested in other circumstances, governments would not > be "powerless to provide private individuals with necessary protection."> But in this case, Breyer said, it would be wrong to "punish Westboro for > seeking to communicate its views on matters of public concern."> Margie Phelps, a daughter of the minister and a lawyer who argued the case at > the Supreme Court, said she expected the outcome. "The only surprise is that > Justice Alito did not feel compelled to follow his oath," Phelps said. "We read > the law. We follow the law. The only way for a different ruling is to shred the > First Amendment." > > She also offered her church's view of the decision. "I think it's pretty > self-explanatory, but here's the core point: The wrath of God is pouring onto > this land. Rather than trying to shut us up, use your platforms to tell this > nation to mourn for your sins."> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2011 Report Share Posted March 3, 2011 The problem with trying to prove anything out of the Bible is that you can prove virtually ANYTHING from the Bible - all a matter of picking and choosing the right verses. Nobody should meet these people hate-for-hate - how poisonous would that be for US (and would only make THEM feel more justified!) Meet them with love, with hymns, with passive resistance, with complete indifference - think of them as a group of small children stuck in a permanent temper tantrum... in WY Practical Blackwork Designs http://practicalblackwork.com http://practical-blackwork.blogspot.com " You get a wonderful view from the point of no return... " US Supreme Court rules in favor of Westboro Baptist Church! I asked a friend who I have talked with about this many times - this was their reply US Supreme Court rules in favor of Westboro Baptist Church! Although I hate what they are saying, I will fight to death for them to be able to say it. Being able to speak out and stand up for what you believe in is one of the fundamental rights that keep this country strong. Having said that, I really dislike what they say and do. It is very hurtful to everyone. I fail to understand why anyone would want to deliberately hurt anyone, especially total strangers. It must be terribly sad for them to have so little love in their lives or individual dreams that they have the time or the desire to hurt so many others. Matching hateful behavior with hateful behavior only creates hateful behavior. However, matching wisdom, patience and love with a strong ability to control ones temper could crack the foundation of whatever has a hold on them. They claim that their beliefs come from the Bible. If someone, who knows it very well, basically matched them verse for verse, they could prove their beliefs didn't not follow Jesus's teachings as they claim. I am not Christian. But I know that Jesus walked the path of love, wisdom and tolerance. Those who choose to create pain in others do not follow him, but those of , who in fact never knew Jesus. Theresa Courage isn't the lack of fear, but the ability to set it aside and focus on what is truly important Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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