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I believe it is made with soybean oil - which doesn't agree with

everyone - so it is in the borderline category. IIRC - which

I may not - it

once was legal - like corn oil is legal - but then was taken

off that list. Which means list members showed some

sensitivity to it that made it go off the list. However, if

you are using it and not reacting, by all means there

is no reason to stop using it.

Like Muir Glenn canned whole plain tomatoes, or

Italian canned whole tomatoes, etc.

Some things are borderline.

Mara

> What do you mean by " borderline " ?

> PJ

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>>> just saw 2 products on nomorecrohns - are they definately still

>>> legal?

>>> applegate cured turkey hotdogs nothing added and spectrum organic

>>> mayo?

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>> spectrum organic mayo is kind of borderline legal.

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>> you could try it and see if it agrees with you. Or not.

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>> Mara

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I believe it is made with soybean oil - which doesn't agree with

everyone - so it is in the borderline category. IIRC - which

I may not - it

once was legal - like corn oil is legal - but then was taken

off that list. Which means list members showed some

sensitivity to it that made it go off the list. However, if

you are using it and not reacting, by all means there

is no reason to stop using it.

Like Muir Glenn canned whole plain tomatoes, or

Italian canned whole tomatoes, etc.

Some things are borderline.

Mara

> What do you mean by " borderline " ?

> PJ

>

>

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>>> just saw 2 products on nomorecrohns - are they definately still

>>> legal?

>>> applegate cured turkey hotdogs nothing added and spectrum organic

>>> mayo?

>>

>> spectrum organic mayo is kind of borderline legal.

>>

>> you could try it and see if it agrees with you. Or not.

>>

>> Mara

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Another reason I avoid soybean oil. Same goes for canola oil,

but I can’t find the link that describes a lawsuit by Canadian Organic

Growers vs. Monsanto(?) about their genetically modified canola genes escaping

into the wild and contaminating the Organic Growers canola crops. Apparently,

all canola is now GM, no matter where in N. America it is grown.

Carol

From an article titled When Genetically Modified Plants Go

Wild

America is awash in genetically modified crops that already have been approved

for use both as animal feed and for human consumption. This year, 61 percent of

all corn and 89 percent of all soybeans planted in the United States were GM

varieties, the USDA estimates. More than 80 percent of the US cotton crop is

also GM. http://www.organicconsumers.org/articles/article_1992.cfm

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Schiffren

I believe it is made with soybean oil - which

doesn't agree with

everyone - so it is in the borderline category. IIRC - which

I may not - it

once was legal - like corn oil is legal - but then was taken

off that list. Which means list members showed some

sensitivity to it that made it go off the list. However, if

you are using it and not reacting, by all means there

is no reason to stop using it.

Like Muir Glenn canned whole plain tomatoes, or

Italian canned whole tomatoes, etc.

Some things are borderline.

Mara

> What do you mean by " borderline " ?

> PJ

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Another reason I avoid soybean oil. Same goes for canola oil,

but I can’t find the link that describes a lawsuit by Canadian Organic

Growers vs. Monsanto(?) about their genetically modified canola genes escaping

into the wild and contaminating the Organic Growers canola crops. Apparently,

all canola is now GM, no matter where in N. America it is grown.

Carol

From an article titled When Genetically Modified Plants Go

Wild

America is awash in genetically modified crops that already have been approved

for use both as animal feed and for human consumption. This year, 61 percent of

all corn and 89 percent of all soybeans planted in the United States were GM

varieties, the USDA estimates. More than 80 percent of the US cotton crop is

also GM. http://www.organicconsumers.org/articles/article_1992.cfm

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BTVC-SCD [mailto:BTVC-SCD ] On Behalf Of Mara

Schiffren

I believe it is made with soybean oil - which

doesn't agree with

everyone - so it is in the borderline category. IIRC - which

I may not - it

once was legal - like corn oil is legal - but then was taken

off that list. Which means list members showed some

sensitivity to it that made it go off the list. However, if

you are using it and not reacting, by all means there

is no reason to stop using it.

Like Muir Glenn canned whole plain tomatoes, or

Italian canned whole tomatoes, etc.

Some things are borderline.

Mara

> What do you mean by " borderline " ?

> PJ

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I also eat the Applegate Farms Turkey dogs without any problem--just have to make sure you get the right ones because they have a lot of products. I also buy there deli meats fresh sliced at the counter of Whole foods. If you go on their website, you can see the ingredients and determine which are legal Even though I have no letter--they have stated to being committed to put on the label only that which is in the product. I have had no problem with those meats that have no sugar or starch listed.

Terry

To: BTVC-SCD From: spookyhurst@...Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 16:01:07 +0000Subject: Re: legal still

My first attempt at making Mayo failed, and I hate to waste expensive oils on failures. So I've been using Spectrum Organic Mayo without issue. This last time, I got Trader's Joe's Organic Mayo because it was cheaper (ingredients are Organic Expeller Pressed Soybean Oil, Organic Pasteurized Whole Eggs, Water, Organic Pasteurized Egg Yolks, Organic White Vinegar, Sea Salt, Organic Dry Mustard, Organic Lemon Juice Concentrate). The only questionable ingredient is the lemon juice concentrate, and perhaps the soy oil.I don't seem to be excessively sensitive though. The only 2 things that have caused a reaction (bloating) have been wine and raw cucumbers.HollyCrohn'sSCD 12/01/08> > > just saw 2 products on nomorecrohns - are they definately still legal?> > applegate cured turkey hotdogs nothing added and spectrum organic > > mayo?> > spectrum organic mayo is kind of borderline legal.> > you could try it and see if it agrees with you. Or not.> > Mara>

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soybean oil is currently illegal and we are not supposed to confuse

new list people by

saying on list that things which are illegal are okay for them to buy

and try.

at one point, I believe, it was legal - but it isn't any more - so

just be advised that

even though you are fine with it personally, you ought not to taut it

as legal on

list.

I said it was borderline legal initially because at one point it was

considered

legal, and some people are okay with it, and that's why the SCD

nomorecrohn's

person considers it legal, because when she was onlist it was,

but since soybean oil is no longer legal... etc. You get the point.

Just as a cautionary note.

Mara

> My first attempt at making Mayo failed, and I hate to waste

> expensive oils on failures. So I've been using Spectrum Organic Mayo

> without issue. This last time, I got Trader's Joe's Organic Mayo

> because it was cheaper (ingredients are Organic Expeller Pressed

> Soybean Oil, Organic Pasteurized Whole Eggs, Water, Organic

> Pasteurized Egg Yolks, Organic White Vinegar, Sea Salt, Organic Dry

> Mustard, Organic Lemon Juice Concentrate). The only questionable

> ingredient is the lemon juice concentrate, and perhaps the soy oil.

>

> I don't seem to be excessively sensitive though. The only 2 things

> that have caused a reaction (bloating) have been wine and raw

> cucumbers.

>

> Holly

> Crohn's

> SCD 12/01/08

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>>> just saw 2 products on nomorecrohns - are they definately still

>>> legal?

>>> applegate cured turkey hotdogs nothing added and spectrum organic

>>> mayo?

>>

>> spectrum organic mayo is kind of borderline legal.

>>

>> you could try it and see if it agrees with you. Or not.

>>

>> Mara

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I’ll have to try the Applegate Turkey Dogs and Deli

counter meats. I’ll check out their website too. Thanks for the tip –

it’s always nice to find something else to eat that’s legal. LOL-

my first two attempts at making mayo failed – I wasn’t pouring the

oil slowly enough.

Carol

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RUMAS

I also eat the Applegate Farms Turkey dogs without any problem--just have to

make sure you get the right ones because they have a lot of products. I also

buy there deli meats fresh sliced at the counter of Whole foods. If you go

on their website, you can see the ingredients and determine which are legal

Even though I have no letter--they have stated to being committed to put on the

label only that which is in the product. I have had no problem with those meats

that have no sugar or starch listed.

Terry

To: BTVC-SCD

My first attempt at making Mayo

failed, and I hate to waste expensive oils on failures. So I've been using

Spectrum Organic Mayo without issue. This last time, I got Trader's Joe's

Organic Mayo because it was cheaper (ingredients are Organic Expeller Pressed

Soybean Oil, Organic Pasteurized Whole Eggs, Water, Organic Pasteurized Egg

Yolks, Organic White Vinegar, Sea Salt, Organic Dry Mustard, Organic Lemon

Juice Concentrate). The only questionable ingredient is the lemon juice

concentrate, and perhaps the soy oil.

I don't seem to be excessively sensitive though. The only 2 things that have

caused a reaction (bloating) have been wine and raw cucumbers.

Holly

Crohn's

SCD 12/01/08

>

> > just saw 2 products on nomorecrohns - are they definately still

legal?

> > applegate cured turkey hotdogs nothing added and spectrum organic

> > mayo?

>

> spectrum organic mayo is kind of borderline legal.

>

> you could try it and see if it agrees with you. Or not.

>

> Mara

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Just Dogs it is…thanks

Carol

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a caution against their deli meats as nice as

it would be - they use something so they won't stick I believe is what Marilyn

said once - not mentioned though on the package I don't think - so just dogs

for now I guess - hey it's one more easy legal - LOL

eileen 17 months

>

> I'll have to try the Applegate Turkey Dogs and Deli counter meats. I'll

> check out their website too. Thanks for the tip - it's always nice to find

> something else to eat that's legal. LOL- my first two attempts at making

> mayo failed - I wasn't pouring the oil slowly enough.

>

> Carol

>

> From: BTVC-SCD

[mailto:BTVC-SCD ]

On Behalf

> Of TERRY RUMAS

>

> I also eat the Applegate Farms Turkey dogs without any problem--just have

to

> make sure you get the right ones because they have a lot of products. I

also

> buy there deli meats fresh sliced at the counter of Whole foods. If you go

> on their website, you can see the ingredients and determine which are

legal

> Even though I have no letter--they have stated to being committed to put

on

> the label only that which is in the product. I have had no problem with

> those meats that have no sugar or starch listed.

>

> Terry

>

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Just Dogs it is…thanks

Carol

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BTVC-SCD [mailto:BTVC-SCD ] On Behalf Of blackguitarmaker

a caution against their deli meats as nice as

it would be - they use something so they won't stick I believe is what Marilyn

said once - not mentioned though on the package I don't think - so just dogs

for now I guess - hey it's one more easy legal - LOL

eileen 17 months

>

> I'll have to try the Applegate Turkey Dogs and Deli counter meats. I'll

> check out their website too. Thanks for the tip - it's always nice to find

> something else to eat that's legal. LOL- my first two attempts at making

> mayo failed - I wasn't pouring the oil slowly enough.

>

> Carol

>

> From: BTVC-SCD

[mailto:BTVC-SCD ]

On Behalf

> Of TERRY RUMAS

>

> I also eat the Applegate Farms Turkey dogs without any problem--just have

to

> make sure you get the right ones because they have a lot of products. I

also

> buy there deli meats fresh sliced at the counter of Whole foods. If you go

> on their website, you can see the ingredients and determine which are

legal

> Even though I have no letter--they have stated to being committed to put

on

> the label only that which is in the product. I have had no problem with

> those meats that have no sugar or starch listed.

>

> Terry

>

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No-- that's for pre-sliced and pre-packaged deli meats, not for fresh sliced at the counter. I don't know if AF does this, but pre-sliced and pre-packaged meats do have starch to keep the slices from sticking together, but, AF at the deli counter, fresh sliced from a hunk of meat have no added starch. So, if you check their web site and see say ,turkey that is just turkey, I am comfortable getting it at the counter and have had no problems with it myself.I personally would not buy pre-packaged deli meats or cheeses for that reason ( starch) But as you say, you need to be comfortable with that and make sure you aren't upsetting your own system.

There are actually less additives in some of their deli meats than there is in the turkey dogs.

Terry

To: BTVC-SCD From: autumn71a@...Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 18:54:28 +0000Subject: Re: legal still

a caution against their deli meats as nice as it would be - they use something so they won't stick I believe is what Marilyn said once - not mentioned though on the package I don't think - so just dogs for now I guess - hey it's one more easy legal - LOLeileen 17 months> > > > > just saw 2 products on nomorecrohns - are they definately still legal?> > > applegate cured turkey hotdogs nothing added and spectrum organic > > > mayo?> > > > spectrum organic mayo is kind of borderline legal.> > > > you could try it and see if it agrees with you. Or not.> > > > Mara> >>

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No-- that's for pre-sliced and pre-packaged deli meats, not for fresh sliced at the counter. I don't know if AF does this, but pre-sliced and pre-packaged meats do have starch to keep the slices from sticking together, but, AF at the deli counter, fresh sliced from a hunk of meat have no added starch. So, if you check their web site and see say ,turkey that is just turkey, I am comfortable getting it at the counter and have had no problems with it myself.I personally would not buy pre-packaged deli meats or cheeses for that reason ( starch) But as you say, you need to be comfortable with that and make sure you aren't upsetting your own system.

There are actually less additives in some of their deli meats than there is in the turkey dogs.

Terry

To: BTVC-SCD From: autumn71a@...Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 18:54:28 +0000Subject: Re: legal still

a caution against their deli meats as nice as it would be - they use something so they won't stick I believe is what Marilyn said once - not mentioned though on the package I don't think - so just dogs for now I guess - hey it's one more easy legal - LOLeileen 17 months> > > > > just saw 2 products on nomorecrohns - are they definately still legal?> > > applegate cured turkey hotdogs nothing added and spectrum organic > > > mayo?> > > > spectrum organic mayo is kind of borderline legal.> > > > you could try it and see if it agrees with you. Or not.> > > > Mara> >>

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No-- that's for pre-sliced and pre-packaged deli meats, not for fresh sliced at the counter. I don't know if AF does this, but pre-sliced and pre-packaged meats do have starch to keep the slices from sticking together, but, AF at the deli counter, fresh sliced from a hunk of meat have no added starch. So, if you check their web site and see say ,turkey that is just turkey, I am comfortable getting it at the counter and have had no problems with it myself.I personally would not buy pre-packaged deli meats or cheeses for that reason ( starch) But as you say, you need to be comfortable with that and make sure you aren't upsetting your own system.

There are actually less additives in some of their deli meats than there is in the turkey dogs.

Terry

To: BTVC-SCD From: autumn71a@...Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 18:54:28 +0000Subject: Re: legal still

a caution against their deli meats as nice as it would be - they use something so they won't stick I believe is what Marilyn said once - not mentioned though on the package I don't think - so just dogs for now I guess - hey it's one more easy legal - LOLeileen 17 months> > > > > just saw 2 products on nomorecrohns - are they definately still legal?> > > applegate cured turkey hotdogs nothing added and spectrum organic > > > mayo?> > > > spectrum organic mayo is kind of borderline legal.> > > > you could try it and see if it agrees with you. Or not.> > > > Mara> >>

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a caution against their deli meats as nice as it would be - they use something so they won't stick I believe is what Marilyn said once - not mentioned though on the package I don't think - so just dogs for now I guess - hey it's one more easy legal - LOLeileen 17 monthsI checked on the back of their packaged turkey, and it listed corn/potato starch (can't remember which). Pour Dieu, pour terre,Alyssa =D

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a caution against their deli meats as nice as it would be - they use something so they won't stick I believe is what Marilyn said once - not mentioned though on the package I don't think - so just dogs for now I guess - hey it's one more easy legal - LOLeileen 17 monthsI checked on the back of their packaged turkey, and it listed corn/potato starch (can't remember which). Pour Dieu, pour terre,Alyssa =D

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a caution against their deli meats as nice as it would be - they use something so they won't stick I believe is what Marilyn said once - not mentioned though on the package I don't think - so just dogs for now I guess - hey it's one more easy legal - LOLeileen 17 monthsI checked on the back of their packaged turkey, and it listed corn/potato starch (can't remember which). Pour Dieu, pour terre,Alyssa =D

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No-- that's for pre-sliced and pre-packaged deli meats, not for fresh sliced at the counter. I don't know if AF does this, but pre-sliced and pre-packaged meats do have starch to keep the slices from sticking together, but, AF at the deli counter, fresh sliced from a hunk of meat have no added starch. So, if you check their web site and see say ,turkey that is just turkey, I am comfortable getting it at the counter and have had no problems with it myself.I personally would not buy pre-packaged deli meats or cheeses for that reason ( starch) But as you say, you need to be comfortable with that and make sure you aren't upsetting your own system.There are actually less additives in some of their deli meats than there is in the turkey dogs.I get the sliced lunch meat at the counter too, but I'm not sure if it's AF (but it is whole foods). Just a question: If they're physically slicing meat off of a whole turkey and then handing it to you, how in the world could there be any ingredients other than meat in there?? For instance, I got 'herbed turkey' once which they sliced at the counter, but it seemed to have herbs all through it, not just on the edges! How do they manage that? Pour Dieu, pour terre,Alyssa =D

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No-- that's for pre-sliced and pre-packaged deli meats, not for fresh sliced at the counter. I don't know if AF does this, but pre-sliced and pre-packaged meats do have starch to keep the slices from sticking together, but, AF at the deli counter, fresh sliced from a hunk of meat have no added starch. So, if you check their web site and see say ,turkey that is just turkey, I am comfortable getting it at the counter and have had no problems with it myself.I personally would not buy pre-packaged deli meats or cheeses for that reason ( starch) But as you say, you need to be comfortable with that and make sure you aren't upsetting your own system.There are actually less additives in some of their deli meats than there is in the turkey dogs.I get the sliced lunch meat at the counter too, but I'm not sure if it's AF (but it is whole foods). Just a question: If they're physically slicing meat off of a whole turkey and then handing it to you, how in the world could there be any ingredients other than meat in there?? For instance, I got 'herbed turkey' once which they sliced at the counter, but it seemed to have herbs all through it, not just on the edges! How do they manage that? Pour Dieu, pour terre,Alyssa =D

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No-- that's for pre-sliced and pre-packaged deli meats, not for fresh sliced at the counter. I don't know if AF does this, but pre-sliced and pre-packaged meats do have starch to keep the slices from sticking together, but, AF at the deli counter, fresh sliced from a hunk of meat have no added starch. So, if you check their web site and see say ,turkey that is just turkey, I am comfortable getting it at the counter and have had no problems with it myself.I personally would not buy pre-packaged deli meats or cheeses for that reason ( starch) But as you say, you need to be comfortable with that and make sure you aren't upsetting your own system.There are actually less additives in some of their deli meats than there is in the turkey dogs.I get the sliced lunch meat at the counter too, but I'm not sure if it's AF (but it is whole foods). Just a question: If they're physically slicing meat off of a whole turkey and then handing it to you, how in the world could there be any ingredients other than meat in there?? For instance, I got 'herbed turkey' once which they sliced at the counter, but it seemed to have herbs all through it, not just on the edges! How do they manage that? Pour Dieu, pour terre,Alyssa =D

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alyssa does the spectrum have soybean oil too??thanks eileenThink so. I haven't had a problem, but like Mara said, it is illegal now, so bummer. Pour Dieu, pour terre,Alyssa =D

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alyssa does the spectrum have soybean oil too??thanks eileenThink so. I haven't had a problem, but like Mara said, it is illegal now, so bummer. Pour Dieu, pour terre,Alyssa =D

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alyssa does the spectrum have soybean oil too??thanks eileenThink so. I haven't had a problem, but like Mara said, it is illegal now, so bummer. Pour Dieu, pour terre,Alyssa =D

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No-- that's for pre-sliced and pre-packaged deli meats, not for fresh sliced at the counter. I don't know if AF does this, but pre-sliced and pre-packaged meats do have starch to keep the slices from sticking together, but, AF at the deli counter, fresh sliced from a hunk of meat have no added starch. So, if you check their web site and see say ,turkey that is just turkey, I ! am comfortable getting it at the counter and have had no problems with it myself.I personally would not buy pre-packaged deli meats or cheeses for that reason ( starch) But as you say, you need to be comfortable with that and make sure you aren't upsetting your own system.There are actually less additives in some of their deli meats than there is in the turkey dogs.I get the sliced lunch meat at the counter too, but I'm not sure if it's AF (but it is whole foods). Just a question: If they're physically slicing meat off of a whole turkey and then handing it to you, how in the world could there be any ingredients other than meat in there?? For instance, I got 'herbed turkey' once which they sliced at the counter, but it seemed to have herbs all through it, not just on the edges! How do they manage that?With an injector.Mara

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No-- that's for pre-sliced and pre-packaged deli meats, not for fresh sliced at the counter. I don't know if AF does this, but pre-sliced and pre-packaged meats do have starch to keep the slices from sticking together, but, AF at the deli counter, fresh sliced from a hunk of meat have no added starch. So, if you check their web site and see say ,turkey that is just turkey, I ! am comfortable getting it at the counter and have had no problems with it myself.I personally would not buy pre-packaged deli meats or cheeses for that reason ( starch) But as you say, you need to be comfortable with that and make sure you aren't upsetting your own system.There are actually less additives in some of their deli meats than there is in the turkey dogs.I get the sliced lunch meat at the counter too, but I'm not sure if it's AF (but it is whole foods). Just a question: If they're physically slicing meat off of a whole turkey and then handing it to you, how in the world could there be any ingredients other than meat in there?? For instance, I got 'herbed turkey' once which they sliced at the counter, but it seemed to have herbs all through it, not just on the edges! How do they manage that?With an injector.Mara

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No-- that's for pre-sliced and pre-packaged deli meats, not for fresh sliced at the counter. I don't know if AF does this, but pre-sliced and pre-packaged meats do have starch to keep the slices from sticking together, but, AF at the deli counter, fresh sliced from a hunk of meat have no added starch. So, if you check their web site and see say ,turkey that is just turkey, I ! am comfortable getting it at the counter and have had no problems with it myself.I personally would not buy pre-packaged deli meats or cheeses for that reason ( starch) But as you say, you need to be comfortable with that and make sure you aren't upsetting your own system.There are actually less additives in some of their deli meats than there is in the turkey dogs.I get the sliced lunch meat at the counter too, but I'm not sure if it's AF (but it is whole foods). Just a question: If they're physically slicing meat off of a whole turkey and then handing it to you, how in the world could there be any ingredients other than meat in there?? For instance, I got 'herbed turkey' once which they sliced at the counter, but it seemed to have herbs all through it, not just on the edges! How do they manage that?With an injector.Mara

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At 01:54 PM 6/18/2009, you wrote:

marilyn with all due respect

-you know I love you :-) - you don't even trust the products Elaine said

were ok??? I know you make everything from scratch and I know it's best

,but if she said ok - shouldn't we try and see how we

do??

To the best of my knowledge, Elaine did not approve the Applegate

hotdogs. Nor the spectrum mayo.

I know her response on mayo was " make your own! "

Marilyn

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