Re: Does mercury itself inhibit mercury excretion?

[Guest guest]

>

> Ive been asked a few times by apparently healthy and sceptical

people

> with amalgams how come I am sick and they are not.

TK--- different peopel have different tollerance levels to Hg as they

do with alcohol etc. there are genitic problems, other health

problems that compound the Hg etc........

It seems a fair

> question and I recently noticed something in my test results that

> suggests an answer. I know challenge tests aren't approved of

here

> and understand they can cause serious redistribution problems, but

> not knowing this at the time I have had several DMSA challenge

tests

> over the years, and I noticed recently that though the tests showed

a

> reduction in mercury levels over time

(after amalgam removal, without

> chelation), there was also a large increase in the base excretion

> level, i.e. mercury in urine before taking DMSA. It seems that

as

> my mercury levels go down, the excretion rate (at least through the

> kidneys) goes up - the opposite of what you might expect.

>

> I wonder what is cause and what is effect here?

TK--- challenge tests are not informative as they only grab what is

available in the kidneys at that particular moment - this could be a

lot or none and doesn't take into account what is in the rest of the

body or organs, one can not make any analysis from a few challenge

tests.

I trace my

> problems back to a particularly heavy and clumsy round of dental

> treatment which could have overloaded my normal ability to deal

with

> the mercury. Could it be this overload which itself caused the

> lowered ability to excrete mercury?

TK--- yes

Or is it more likely that for

> other reasons (low glutathione?)

TK--- this would be a factor also but Hg can cause this

I am less able to deal with mercury

> than most and that an exposure most people could have dealt with

was

> too much for me?

TK--- yes

If that is the case it would be good to know what

> has helped me to increase my ability to excrete so much.

TK-- the challenge tests unfortunately are nto informative and do not

show your ability to excrete more.

>

> Guy

>

[Guest guest]

" Could it be this overload which itself caused the

lowered ability to excrete mercury? "

I have wondered something similar to this.

It seems I am getting redistribution symptoms from exercising now (if I am

sweating with the exercising). I didn't have this happen before amalgam removal.

It seems that since my daily exposure has stopped, my body is starting to

excrete it on its own easier.

I just had my amalgams out a month ago.

I am curious what others think about this!

-Olif

[Guest guest]

>

> Ive been asked a few times by apparently healthy and sceptical people

> with amalgams how come I am sick and they are not. It seems a fair

> question

I once had an environmental medicine doctor tell me, " Your immune

system is like a rain barrel... it doesn't matter what it fills up

with, once it's full it will overflow and keep on overflowing. If

your rain barrel has been filled up with other things, then you will

get sick. "

It's a very simplistic analogy, but I have found that it's an analogy

that even the healthy and skeptical can grasp and usually will accept.

[Guest guest]

>

> Ive been asked a few times by apparently healthy and sceptical people

> with amalgams how come I am sick and they are not. It seems a fair

> question

Eh, there are plenty of examples of illnesses that work in a similar

way, i.e. toxin exposure + genetics = illness. Lung cancer, for

example. It kills some smokers early, and some smokers live long and

never get it. But no disagreement that it was the cigs.

Nell

[Guest guest]

>

> Ive been asked a few times by apparently healthy and sceptical people

> with amalgams how come I am sick and they are not. It seems a fair

> question

Eh, there are plenty of examples of illnesses that work in a similar

way, i.e. toxin exposure + genetics = illness. Lung cancer, for

example. It kills some smokers early, and some smokers live long and

never get it. But no disagreement that it was the cigs.

Nell

[Guest guest]

>

> Ive been asked a few times by apparently healthy and sceptical people

> with amalgams how come I am sick and they are not. It seems a fair

> question

Eh, there are plenty of examples of illnesses that work in a similar

way, i.e. toxin exposure + genetics = illness. Lung cancer, for

example. It kills some smokers early, and some smokers live long and

never get it. But no disagreement that it was the cigs.

Nell

[Guest guest]

>

> TK--- challenge tests are not informative as they only grab what is

> available in the kidneys at that particular moment - this could be a

> lot or none and doesn't take into account what is in the rest of the

> body or organs, one can not make any analysis from a few challenge

> tests.

Understood - but I was referring to the pre-challenge reading. This

is certainly unreliable for diagnosis for at least one reason, the one

under discussion here, that a low reading can equally mean either a

reduced ability to excrete or a low body burden, and a high reading

either a healthy ability to excrete or a high body burden - I think

this must be why challenge tests were developed. Also although all

tests have their drawbacks I find that a combination of sweat tests,

challenge tests, sensitivity tests, and hair tests spanning a decade or

so do seem in my case to give an overall picture which makes sense and

is of practical use, although I certainly won't be repeating the

challenge test

Guy

[Guest guest]

>

> >

> > TK--- challenge tests are not informative as they only grab what

is

> > available in the kidneys at that particular moment - this could

be a

> > lot or none and doesn't take into account what is in the rest of

the

> > body or organs, one can not make any analysis from a few

challenge

> > tests.

>

>

> Understood - but I was referring to the pre-challenge reading.

TK--- this would depend on how it was done ? during a round of

chelation it can be informative, just a spot urine collection isn't

This

> is certainly unreliable for diagnosis for at least one reason, the

one

> under discussion here, that a low reading can equally mean either a

> reduced ability to excrete or a low body burden, and a high reading

> either a healthy ability to excrete or a high body burden

TK--- exactly and this happens with challenge tests also for the same

reasons which makes them not informative.

- I think

> this must be why challenge tests were developed. Also although

all

> tests have their drawbacks I find that a combination of sweat tests

TK--- sweat test ? not familiar with this

,

> challenge tests, sensitivity tests

, and hair tests spanning a decade or

> so do seem in my case to give an overall picture which makes sense

and

> is of practical use

TK--- for you personally it may give you some guidance which is ok,

for the purpose of the forum and protocol the standards are Hair

elements analysis, trial chelation, 24hr urine while on round and

possibly fractioned urine porphyrin. These tests have the most

information which can be interperted and used.

, although I certainly won't be repeating the

> challenge test

TK--- there is no need to, do a 24hr urine while on round instead if

you want to test urine and [maybe] track progress or track progress

by symptoms and hair analysis.

>

> Guy

>

[Guest guest]

Yankee, you must be talking about Dr. Rea (or someone who understand

environmental or toxin-related illnesses). He's the same doctor I

saw in 1992 that diagnosed me, part of that being him looking in my

mouth, saying " Yep, you have plenty of amalgams, " then did absolutely

NOthing about it. Instead, he gave me the typical 6-week protocol,

which included 3 rounds of sauna every day (WITH amalgams in my

mouth!)

Anyway, he has, in many ways, been beneficial to the cause and

treatment, but is far from a " great " doctor as many call him. Sorry,

but I have a bitter taste in my mouth (pun!) because of my experience

at his clinic back then. It doesn't take away from the fact that the

analogy has always been a good one I still use it, although I

don't say " rainbarrel " , I just say that the immune system has a

threshold and once it's surpassed, you're sick.

: Donna

> >

> > Ive been asked a few times by apparently healthy and sceptical

people

> > with amalgams how come I am sick and they are not. It seems a

fair

> > question

>

>

> I once had an environmental medicine doctor tell me, " Your immune

> system is like a rain barrel... it doesn't matter what it fills up

> with, once it's full it will overflow and keep on overflowing. If

> your rain barrel has been filled up with other things, then you will

> get sick. "

>

> It's a very simplistic analogy, but I have found that it's an

analogy

> that even the healthy and skeptical can grasp and usually will

accept.

>