Guest guest Posted June 20, 2009 Report Share Posted June 20, 2009 Hi Eileen. As I understand it, the reason we don't eat commercial ice cream on SCD, is that it is made from non-SCD ingredients, including milk, milk solids, and sugar. I don't know of any commercial ice creams made from SCD yogurt. So the commercial ice cream, at a minimum, includes lactose and sugar. There may also be illegal thickeners, chocolate, and who know what else in the commercial product? I have been making frozen berry yogurts since last summer, and they are at least as good as any commercial fruit ice creams I have ever tasted. I use 2 cups plain SCD yogurt made from whole milk, 2/3 cup pasteurized clear honey, and 1 cup pureed berries, liquefied and blended in a blender, then frozen and aerated in a Cuisinart ice-cream/frozen-yogurt/sorbet machine. Other people make SCD ice cream from dripped higher-fat SCD yogurts, such as SCD yogurt made from cream. My understanding of SCD is that we eliminate virtually all hard-to-digest carbohydrates, including those in commercial ice cream, regardless of whether we reacted to individual components in the past, so as to avoid feeding microorganisms the incompletely digested products. We have to avoid those products for at least one year after being completely healed. I for one, enjoy SCD foods so much, that I am not in any rush to try non SCD foods. The only times I wish I weren't on SCD are when people want me to go out to restaurants with them. I have not yet found any SCD-compatible restaurants, or any restaurant foods I can eat here in Toronto. Then again, I rarely went to restaurants before starting on SCD, because of my multiple chemical sensitivities. There are no fragrance-free or chemical-free restaurants in Toronto, as far as I am aware, and I would have to wear my half-face respirator to enter any restaurant, thus making it impossible for me to eat. Hope this helps. Ellen in Toronto, Canada SCD 1 year, 3 months enginuity4@...> " blackguitarmaker " wrote in BTVC-SCD > Saturday, June 20, 2009 11:17 AM > just curious -when we avoid foods legal or non - are we causing our body > to never be able to tolerate them ? say icecream for example - gluten-free > and I never had dairy issues - so if 1 day in the future I ever want to > get a lil bit wil I not be able to tolerate it??? > thanks eileen 17 months scd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2009 Report Share Posted June 20, 2009 Hi Eileen. As I understand it, the reason we don't eat commercial ice cream on SCD, is that it is made from non-SCD ingredients, including milk, milk solids, and sugar. I don't know of any commercial ice creams made from SCD yogurt. So the commercial ice cream, at a minimum, includes lactose and sugar. There may also be illegal thickeners, chocolate, and who know what else in the commercial product? I have been making frozen berry yogurts since last summer, and they are at least as good as any commercial fruit ice creams I have ever tasted. I use 2 cups plain SCD yogurt made from whole milk, 2/3 cup pasteurized clear honey, and 1 cup pureed berries, liquefied and blended in a blender, then frozen and aerated in a Cuisinart ice-cream/frozen-yogurt/sorbet machine. Other people make SCD ice cream from dripped higher-fat SCD yogurts, such as SCD yogurt made from cream. My understanding of SCD is that we eliminate virtually all hard-to-digest carbohydrates, including those in commercial ice cream, regardless of whether we reacted to individual components in the past, so as to avoid feeding microorganisms the incompletely digested products. We have to avoid those products for at least one year after being completely healed. I for one, enjoy SCD foods so much, that I am not in any rush to try non SCD foods. The only times I wish I weren't on SCD are when people want me to go out to restaurants with them. I have not yet found any SCD-compatible restaurants, or any restaurant foods I can eat here in Toronto. Then again, I rarely went to restaurants before starting on SCD, because of my multiple chemical sensitivities. There are no fragrance-free or chemical-free restaurants in Toronto, as far as I am aware, and I would have to wear my half-face respirator to enter any restaurant, thus making it impossible for me to eat. Hope this helps. Ellen in Toronto, Canada SCD 1 year, 3 months enginuity4@...> " blackguitarmaker " wrote in BTVC-SCD > Saturday, June 20, 2009 11:17 AM > just curious -when we avoid foods legal or non - are we causing our body > to never be able to tolerate them ? say icecream for example - gluten-free > and I never had dairy issues - so if 1 day in the future I ever want to > get a lil bit wil I not be able to tolerate it??? > thanks eileen 17 months scd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2009 Report Share Posted June 20, 2009 thank you - i understand why we don't eat it and i too don't ever see myself returning to a non scd diet but MAY some summer on vacation etc want a lil treat that i didn't make - right now i'd be petrified if i didn't make it lol but SOMEDAY just wondering if i had a cup if i'd get deathly ill from lack of exposure??? from something i ate daily until i got sick - go figure- lol eileen 17 months scd > > Hi Eileen. As I understand it, the reason we don't eat commercial ice cream > on SCD, is that it is made from non-SCD ingredients, including milk, milk > solids, and sugar. I don't know of any commercial ice creams made from SCD > yogurt. So the commercial ice cream, at a minimum, includes lactose and > sugar. There may also be illegal thickeners, chocolate, and who know what > else in the commercial product? > > I have been making frozen berry yogurts since last summer, and they are at > least as good as any commercial fruit ice creams I have ever tasted. I use 2 > cups plain SCD yogurt made from whole milk, 2/3 cup pasteurized clear honey, > and 1 cup pureed berries, liquefied and blended in a blender, then frozen > and aerated in a Cuisinart ice-cream/frozen-yogurt/sorbet machine. > > Other people make SCD ice cream from dripped higher-fat SCD yogurts, such as > SCD yogurt made from cream. > > My understanding of SCD is that we eliminate virtually all hard-to-digest > carbohydrates, including those in commercial ice cream, regardless of > whether we reacted to individual components in the past, so as to avoid > feeding microorganisms the incompletely digested products. We have to avoid > those products for at least one year after being completely healed. > > I for one, enjoy SCD foods so much, that I am not in any rush to try non SCD > foods. The only times I wish I weren't on SCD are when people want me to go > out to restaurants with them. I have not yet found any SCD-compatible > restaurants, or any restaurant foods I can eat here in Toronto. Then again, > I rarely went to restaurants before starting on SCD, because of my multiple > chemical sensitivities. There are no fragrance-free or chemical-free > restaurants in Toronto, as far as I am aware, and I would have to wear my > half-face respirator to enter any restaurant, thus making it impossible for > me to eat. > > Hope this helps. > > Ellen in Toronto, Canada > SCD 1 year, 3 months > > > " blackguitarmaker " wrote in BTVC-SCD > > Saturday, June 20, 2009 11:17 AM > > > > just curious -when we avoid foods legal or non - are we causing our body > > to never be able to tolerate them ? say icecream for example - gluten-free > > and I never had dairy issues - so if 1 day in the future I ever want to > > get a lil bit wil I not be able to tolerate it??? > > thanks eileen 17 months scd > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2009 Report Share Posted June 21, 2009 Eileen, To like clarify, when yeast is bad I start craving crap like (get this- I never even ate this stuff when I could) fudge brownies out of a box with thick chocolate frosting like Betty Crocker crap. Where in the world is this crave coming from? That is absolute junk. I am telling you I was salivating and like a puppy drooling at the idea of eating this stuff!! I found when yeast gets better- I don't crave. I think you are still fighting- hang in there. Sometimes if craves get really bad they say it is best to keep a food journal with all of your food dreams! It works! Who knew I like lasanga so much. Boy was lasanga repeated over and over again in any combo imaginable. Lasanga Bolonese, Pesto Lasanga- it just becomes ridiculous at some point like " how many ways can we make lasanga? " well it's in there... with like hearts and start next to it! LOL. I have been in touch with the office quite a bit- don't remember if it was Monday (I had an appt) You probably know better than me. Geography and Earthly timelines are really not a strong point for me LOL. Got blood results in and part of it is fantastic (best it's been since I am a kid- which shows surgery is serving me well) but part of it is a disaster.. ARGH! Need patience- thus said the person that learned she had no patience. Jodi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2009 Report Share Posted June 21, 2009 When I make scd ice cream I take a lacto pill with it. Most of the time I make sorbets just curious -when we avoid foods legal or non - are we causing our body to never be able to tolerate them ? say icecream for example - gluten-free and I never had dairy issues - so if 1 day in the future I ever want to get a lil bit wil I not be able to tolerate it??? thanks eileen 17 months scd ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2009 Report Share Posted June 21, 2009 My daughter asked me today if I will have to eat this way for the rest of my life. I told her quite honestly that it would have to be for at least two years, and then who knows. It doesn't bother me to eat this way, except when I am in a social situation and people don't understand why I can't even have a little " taste " , or I am a guest at someone's house and I fear offending the hostess. DH cooked steaks tonight and put BBQ sauce on them, and thought it was OK- because he only used a 'little bit'. People find it hard to comprehend the idea that even a little bit is not allowed, and no, I won't eat that steak. I do hope to be lucky enough to eat off SCD at least during those times at some point. I know Elaine's book says at least 2 years symptom free- although I see people here going longer than that. I don't see myself eating giant big macs three times a day ( never did before SCD ), but it would be nice to have a less restrictive diet at some point. Eileen, I don't think it is lack of exposure that would make you food intolerant. I never had a problem with ice cream either. I don't think we could ever pinpoint what it is that created GI problems- a combination of things really. I hope there comes a time when you do tolerate it, maybe in moderation. My DH is mildly lactose intolerant- he can eat a little ice cream, but a giant bowl will make him sick. PJ > > > > Hi Eileen. As I understand it, the reason we don't eat commercial ice cream > > on SCD, is that it is made from non-SCD ingredients, including milk, milk > > solids, and sugar. I don't know of any commercial ice creams made from SCD > > yogurt. So the commercial ice cream, at a minimum, includes lactose and > > sugar. There may also be illegal thickeners, chocolate, and who know what > > else in the commercial product? > > > > I have been making frozen berry yogurts since last summer, and they are at > > least as good as any commercial fruit ice creams I have ever tasted. I use 2 > > cups plain SCD yogurt made from whole milk, 2/3 cup pasteurized clear honey, > > and 1 cup pureed berries, liquefied and blended in a blender, then frozen > > and aerated in a Cuisinart ice-cream/frozen-yogurt/sorbet machine. > > > > Other people make SCD ice cream from dripped higher-fat SCD yogurts, such as > > SCD yogurt made from cream. > > > > My understanding of SCD is that we eliminate virtually all hard-to-digest > > carbohydrates, including those in commercial ice cream, regardless of > > whether we reacted to individual components in the past, so as to avoid > > feeding microorganisms the incompletely digested products. We have to avoid > > those products for at least one year after being completely healed. > > > > I for one, enjoy SCD foods so much, that I am not in any rush to try non SCD > > foods. The only times I wish I weren't on SCD are when people want me to go > > out to restaurants with them. I have not yet found any SCD-compatible > > restaurants, or any restaurant foods I can eat here in Toronto. Then again, > > I rarely went to restaurants before starting on SCD, because of my multiple > > chemical sensitivities. There are no fragrance-free or chemical-free > > restaurants in Toronto, as far as I am aware, and I would have to wear my > > half-face respirator to enter any restaurant, thus making it impossible for > > me to eat. > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > Ellen in Toronto, Canada > > SCD 1 year, 3 months > > > > > > " blackguitarmaker " wrote in BTVC-SCD > > > Saturday, June 20, 2009 11:17 AM > > > > > > > just curious -when we avoid foods legal or non - are we causing our body > > > to never be able to tolerate them ? say icecream for example - gluten-free > > > and I never had dairy issues - so if 1 day in the future I ever want to > > > get a lil bit wil I not be able to tolerate it??? > > > thanks eileen 17 months scd > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2009 Report Share Posted June 22, 2009 I've always wondered if the spit test was accurate or not. But, I'm not overly worried about yeast. From what I've read, Elaine seemed to think it would die off once the bad bacteria was taken care of. Maybe then my insatiable sweet tooth will die too :-). I eat a tablespoon of virgin coconut oil a day. Is that a good amount to kill off yeast? Holly > > Holly, > > Yum, grandma's cookies. > > The spit test is useless- IMO it only checks for a specific type of yeast and there are so many. > > It is pretty much guaranteed you have gut dysbiosis coming into this diet with GI issues. > > If you're really curious you can do some stool testing although not necessary. > > Jodi > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2009 Report Share Posted June 22, 2009 I've always wondered if the spit test was accurate or not. But, I'm not overly worried about yeast. From what I've read, Elaine seemed to think it would die off once the bad bacteria was taken care of. Maybe then my insatiable sweet tooth will die too :-). I eat a tablespoon of virgin coconut oil a day. Is that a good amount to kill off yeast? Holly > > Holly, > > Yum, grandma's cookies. > > The spit test is useless- IMO it only checks for a specific type of yeast and there are so many. > > It is pretty much guaranteed you have gut dysbiosis coming into this diet with GI issues. > > If you're really curious you can do some stool testing although not necessary. > > Jodi > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2009 Report Share Posted June 22, 2009 I've always wondered if the spit test was accurate or not. But, I'm not overly worried about yeast. From what I've read, Elaine seemed to think it would die off once the bad bacteria was taken care of. Maybe then my insatiable sweet tooth will die too :-). I eat a tablespoon of virgin coconut oil a day. Is that a good amount to kill off yeast? Holly > > Holly, > > Yum, grandma's cookies. > > The spit test is useless- IMO it only checks for a specific type of yeast and there are so many. > > It is pretty much guaranteed you have gut dysbiosis coming into this diet with GI issues. > > If you're really curious you can do some stool testing although not necessary. > > Jodi > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2009 Report Share Posted June 22, 2009 Holly, Every little bit helps and if you are progressing than just continue to do what you are doing.. Some people (such as myself) really have a hard time and use sweets as a crutch especially in the begining of the diet. There are signs but I believe if you are using things in moderation for -you- you should be ok unless it is really a systemic problem. Take your probiotics once you are ready! And the yogurt!! Best stuff to get the yeasties under control... It's not about killing really it's about ingesting something that will repopulate your gut. I think it is far more natural for the body. None of the less at times some of us need anti fungals too along with dietary changes with-in the SCD. Jodi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2009 Report Share Posted June 22, 2009 Holly, Every little bit helps and if you are progressing than just continue to do what you are doing.. Some people (such as myself) really have a hard time and use sweets as a crutch especially in the begining of the diet. There are signs but I believe if you are using things in moderation for -you- you should be ok unless it is really a systemic problem. Take your probiotics once you are ready! And the yogurt!! Best stuff to get the yeasties under control... It's not about killing really it's about ingesting something that will repopulate your gut. I think it is far more natural for the body. None of the less at times some of us need anti fungals too along with dietary changes with-in the SCD. Jodi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2009 Report Share Posted June 22, 2009 Holly, Every little bit helps and if you are progressing than just continue to do what you are doing.. Some people (such as myself) really have a hard time and use sweets as a crutch especially in the begining of the diet. There are signs but I believe if you are using things in moderation for -you- you should be ok unless it is really a systemic problem. Take your probiotics once you are ready! And the yogurt!! Best stuff to get the yeasties under control... It's not about killing really it's about ingesting something that will repopulate your gut. I think it is far more natural for the body. None of the less at times some of us need anti fungals too along with dietary changes with-in the SCD. Jodi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 I eat two cups of yogurt a day, YUM! I don't take any probiotics though, so hopefully the yogurt is enough. Holly > > Holly, > > Every little bit helps and if you are progressing than just continue to do what you are doing.. Some people (such as myself) really have a hard time and use sweets as a crutch especially in the begining of the diet. There are signs but I believe if you are using things in moderation for -you- you should be ok unless it is really a systemic problem. > > Take your probiotics once you are ready! And the yogurt!! > Best stuff to get the yeasties under control... It's not about killing really it's about ingesting something that will repopulate your gut. I think it is far more natural for the body. None of the less at times some of us need anti fungals too along with dietary changes with-in the SCD. > > Jodi > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 I eat two cups of yogurt a day, YUM! I don't take any probiotics though, so hopefully the yogurt is enough. Holly > > Holly, > > Every little bit helps and if you are progressing than just continue to do what you are doing.. Some people (such as myself) really have a hard time and use sweets as a crutch especially in the begining of the diet. There are signs but I believe if you are using things in moderation for -you- you should be ok unless it is really a systemic problem. > > Take your probiotics once you are ready! And the yogurt!! > Best stuff to get the yeasties under control... It's not about killing really it's about ingesting something that will repopulate your gut. I think it is far more natural for the body. None of the less at times some of us need anti fungals too along with dietary changes with-in the SCD. > > Jodi > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 I recall that the yogurt contains much more probiotic bacteria than the supplements, and that Elaine felt additional probiotics were not necessary if someone was eating enough yogurt. The supplements have " billions " but the yogurt has " trillions " , so it should be more than sufficient. Probiotics are added for those who do not take the yogurt, and some people take additional ones if they want to. Please clarify if I am not correct, thanks. PJ > > Holly, > > Every little bit helps and if you are progressing than just continue to do what you are doing.. Some people (such as myself) really have a hard time and use sweets as a crutch especially in the begining of the diet. There are signs but I believe if you are using things in moderation for -you- you should be ok unless it is really a systemic problem. > > Take your probiotics once you are ready! And the yogurt!! > Best stuff to get the yeasties under control... It's not about killing really it's about ingesting something that will repopulate your gut. I think it is far more natural for the body. None of the less at times some of us need anti fungals too along with dietary changes with-in the SCD. > > Jodi > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 I recall that the yogurt contains much more probiotic bacteria than the supplements, and that Elaine felt additional probiotics were not necessary if someone was eating enough yogurt. The supplements have " billions " but the yogurt has " trillions " , so it should be more than sufficient. Probiotics are added for those who do not take the yogurt, and some people take additional ones if they want to. Please clarify if I am not correct, thanks. PJ > > Holly, > > Every little bit helps and if you are progressing than just continue to do what you are doing.. Some people (such as myself) really have a hard time and use sweets as a crutch especially in the begining of the diet. There are signs but I believe if you are using things in moderation for -you- you should be ok unless it is really a systemic problem. > > Take your probiotics once you are ready! And the yogurt!! > Best stuff to get the yeasties under control... It's not about killing really it's about ingesting something that will repopulate your gut. I think it is far more natural for the body. None of the less at times some of us need anti fungals too along with dietary changes with-in the SCD. > > Jodi > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 I recall that the yogurt contains much more probiotic bacteria than the supplements, and that Elaine felt additional probiotics were not necessary if someone was eating enough yogurt. The supplements have " billions " but the yogurt has " trillions " , so it should be more than sufficient. Probiotics are added for those who do not take the yogurt, and some people take additional ones if they want to. Please clarify if I am not correct, thanks. PJ > > Holly, > > Every little bit helps and if you are progressing than just continue to do what you are doing.. Some people (such as myself) really have a hard time and use sweets as a crutch especially in the begining of the diet. There are signs but I believe if you are using things in moderation for -you- you should be ok unless it is really a systemic problem. > > Take your probiotics once you are ready! And the yogurt!! > Best stuff to get the yeasties under control... It's not about killing really it's about ingesting something that will repopulate your gut. I think it is far more natural for the body. None of the less at times some of us need anti fungals too along with dietary changes with-in the SCD. > > Jodi > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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