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hello tk,

are you saying that there is no difference at all between methyl and

hydroxy in regards to mercury detox? is there any other reason to

prefer one of the forms over the other?

if the doc is incorrect, can you refer me to any info or links that i

could share with my doc to correct the info?

gratefully,

kendra

--- " TK " wrote:

>> TK--- She is incorrect and acting on information she does not

> understand - all B12 gets converted to methyl form by the body for

> use. The theory is that if you give it in methyl form your body can

> utilize it more efficiently as it does not have to convert it. So if

> she is correct no one should be using it at all which of course we

> know is not correct.

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> >> TK--- She is incorrect and acting on information she does not

> > understand - all B12 gets converted to methyl form by the body for

> > use. The theory is that if you give it in methyl form your body can

> > utilize it more efficiently as it does not have to convert it. So if

> > she is correct no one should be using it at all which of course we

> > know is not correct.

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> >> TK--- She is incorrect and acting on information she does not

> > understand - all B12 gets converted to methyl form by the body

for

> > use. The theory is that if you give it in methyl form your body

can

> > utilize it more efficiently as it does not have to convert it.

So if

> > she is correct no one should be using it at all which of course

we

> > know is not correct.

>

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hi linda and tk,

i appreciate your replies. i tried searching onibasu for memos from andy as

below, but can't find anything about hydoxy. am i not searching correctly?

if-when you have time, any help is appreciated.

gratefully,

kendra

searches:

methylcobalamine +from:cutler 1 memo

hydroxycobalamine +from:cutler 0 memo

B12 +from:cutler 165, but only 3 memos somewhat relevant? see below

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Subject: Re: ANDY: B12 (methylcobalamin) contra-indicated for those w Hg

amalgams??

From: " andrewhallcutler "

Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 09:26:17 -0000

Onibasu Link: http://onibasu.com/archives/am/42391.html

>I just came across this web site that mentions that

methylcobalamin reacts directly with mercury to form a methyl mercury

compound.

This actually is correct. it happens rapidly in a test tube with straight

methylcobablamin and mercuric chloride, both in high conccentrations. It

does NOT happen at any significant rate in people at the concentrations of

mercury and methylcobablmin that can be achieved before death ensues.

Andy

===

Subject: Re: Brain B12,vit C

From: " andrewhallcutler "

Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 04:37:16 -0000

Onibasu Link: http://onibasu.com/archives/am/82170.html

> " If there is amalgam in the brain stem, Vitamin B12, C and F and

psychotropic medications (Prozac etc.) can potentiate the amalgam damage! "

>I have mercury in my brain and I felt terribly uncomfortable about taking

Vit C and B12 after reading this article. I would like to know if you have

ever investigated on this and what your opinion is.

I have looked into it and I do not believe this information is accurate or

this advice is sound. You will do well to take B-12, C and E. B-12 is the

only one that a significant number of people don't tolerate, and if you

don't you just stop and everything is fine.

>Whole article http://www.neuraltherapy.com/a_neural_dental.asp

===

Subject: Re: does B12 methylate mercury? I'm confused!

From: " andrewhallcutler "

Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 05:22:53 -0000

Onibasu Link: http://onibasu.com/archives/am/78356.html

>http://www.angelhealingcenter.com/AmalgamProtocol.html

On this website, it mentions that methylcobalmin will methylate mercury--

It doesn't.

>I'm assuming this means turning it into methylmercury, which is bad right?

No, actually it would be wonderful if B-12 did this but since it doesn't we

can't use B-12 to clear the brain of mercury. After all, methylmercury

crosses the blood-brain barrier, so since B-12 goes into the brain, if B-12

methylated mercury it would let the mercury trapped in the brain escape.

>So why is it suggested for kids to get B12 injections? I'm soooo

confused... can you all explain this situation to me?

Some doctors are too brain dead to think, read their textbooks, or ask

people who know what they are doing for information, but not too brain dead

to make web ages. They are just like ordinary people this way.

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fyi, i talked with compounding pharmacist today about methyl vs hydroxy. he

is puzzled by why the doc is changing the prescrip for several of her

patients, but he thinks it's because she read a study saying methyl

solubolizes mercury in the brain?? i left query with doc, but she is out of

town til next week.

i did find out from pharmacist that hydroxy 10mg/ml 0.3ml/day will cost over

twice the price of comparable methyl, so i can't afford it either.

puzzled,

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TK-- Again, your doc is making a mistake, sorry - they all do. She

is reading some material and making some conclusion which is

incorrect or listening to someone and just believing what they are

saying without doing the research herself because she doesn't have

the time to do so.

>

> fyi, i talked with compounding pharmacist today about methyl vs

hydroxy. he

> is puzzled by why the doc is changing the prescrip for several of

her

> patients

TK--- he is puzzled because he probably understands the chemistry

better than she does.

, but he thinks it's because she read a study saying methyl

> solubolizes mercury in the brain?? i left query with doc, but she

is out of

> town til next week.

>

> i did find out from pharmacist that hydroxy 10mg/ml 0.3ml/day will

cost over

> twice the price of comparable methyl, so i can't afford it either.

TK--- Try getting cyanocobalamin which does not have to be

compounded, is usually the least expensive and can normally be found

at regular pharmacies or go back to the methyl.

>

> puzzled,

> kendra

>

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It would be better to be on Hydroxcobalamin than cyanocobalamin, if you have

to choose between these two. Hydroxy does not have to be compunded at a

pharmacy, I am on Perque brand sublingual. Cyanocobalamin has to be broken

down in the body more steps than hydroxy, and produces some cyanide on the

way which your body has to deal with.

Some info in this paper if interested:

http://www.defeatautismyesterday.com/drvinitskypaper.htm

NJ

>

>

> TK--- Try getting cyanocobalamin which does not have to be

> compounded, is usually the least expensive and can normally be found

> at regular pharmacies or go back to the methyl.

>

>

> >

> > puzzled,

> > kendra

> >

>

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I went back to the article that you originally posted.

http://www.ever.ch/medizinwissen/b12hg.php

The reason that person uses for using cyano or hydroxy cobalamin is

that they are easier to synthesize and according to her methyl is not

available in Europe.

I searched archives and couldn't find a post from Andy although I

expect there is one in there somewhere.

This is one of the pages I found on the web.

http://b12patch.com/vitaminb12/cobalamin.html

'Neither cyanocobalamin nor hydrocobalamin is in a form our bodies can

use. They must be converted to the usable forms of cobalamin:

methylcobalamin and adenosylcobalamin.'

To take it one step further - mercury blocks enzymes and sometimes

those enzymes that do the converting are blocked or slowed.

So it would be better to use methyl if a person can get it.

Or use large quantities to try to push the enzyme reaction.

I do recall trying to get methyl for injection and couldn't get it in

Canada. Next time I go to the HFS I'll look at the oral forms and see

what they have - although very little of an oral form would be absorbed.

If you find out which pharmaceutical company makes methyl B12 for

injection let me know and I'll see if I can get it here.

>

> hi linda and tk,

> i appreciate your replies. i tried searching onibasu for memos from

andy as

> below, but can't find anything about hydoxy. am i not searching

correctly?

> if-when you have time, any help is appreciated.

> gratefully,

> kendra

>

> searches:

> methylcobalamine +from:cutler 1 memo

> hydroxycobalamine +from:cutler 0 memo

> B12 +from:cutler 165, but only 3 memos somewhat relevant? see below

>

> =

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> It would be better to be on Hydroxcobalamin than cyanocobalamin, if

you have

> to choose between these two. Hydroxy does not have to be compunded

at a

> pharmacy, I am on Perque brand sublingual.

TK--- We are talking about two different things - I am refering to

injectable not subligual, sublingual does absolutely nothing for me

either physically or when checked during tested.

Cyanocobalamin has to be broken

> down in the body more steps than hydroxy, and produces some cyanide

on the

> way which your body has to deal with.

TK--- maybe, don't believe everything you read without doing a lot of

research - one article doesn't necessarily mean it is a fact or not.

I have never had any problem with injectable cyano, it has only made

me feel much better. occasionally some people will have problems

with B12

>

> Some info in this paper if interested:

> http://www.defeatautismyesterday.com/drvinitskypaper.htm

>

> NJ

>

>

> >

> >

> > TK--- Try getting cyanocobalamin which does not have to be

> > compounded, is usually the least expensive and can normally be

found

> > at regular pharmacies or go back to the methyl.

> >

> >

> > >

> > > puzzled,

> > > kendra

> > >

> >

> >

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> Cyanocobalamin has to be broken

> > down in the body more steps than hydroxy, and produces some cyanide

> on the

> > way which your body has to deal with.

>

>

> TK--- maybe, don't believe everything you read without doing a lot of

> research - one article doesn't necessarily mean it is a fact or not.

> I have never had any problem with injectable cyano, it has only made

> me feel much better. occasionally some people will have problems

> with B12

>

Hey TK, I'm glad this works for you, that's what counts.

I'm not 'believing everything I read' as you say, though. The article I

listed was written by my doctor, and he's the one who told me about the

breakdown steps of cyanocobalamin. He didn't say that meant it was out of

the question, however, just that your body has to be able to handle the

coversion and the by-products thereof. Apparently mine can't do that very

well, which is not uncommon. I take high doses of hydroxycobalamin and

folate together sublingually, several times per day. It's a technique to

improve methylation, among other things, and does somewhat mimic an

injectable in this dosing scenario. This is what the paper I linked talks

about, and is a technique that my doctor has quite a bit of experience with

with autism, chemical sensitivities, and toxic exposures.

NJ

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>

> Cyanocobalamin has to be broken

> > down in the body more steps than hydroxy, and produces some cyanide

> on the

> > way which your body has to deal with.

>

>

> TK--- maybe, don't believe everything you read without doing a lot of

> research - one article doesn't necessarily mean it is a fact or not.

> I have never had any problem with injectable cyano, it has only made

> me feel much better. occasionally some people will have problems

> with B12

>

Hey TK, I'm glad this works for you, that's what counts.

I'm not 'believing everything I read' as you say, though. The article I

listed was written by my doctor, and he's the one who told me about the

breakdown steps of cyanocobalamin. He didn't say that meant it was out of

the question, however, just that your body has to be able to handle the

coversion and the by-products thereof. Apparently mine can't do that very

well, which is not uncommon. I take high doses of hydroxycobalamin and

folate together sublingually, several times per day. It's a technique to

improve methylation, among other things, and does somewhat mimic an

injectable in this dosing scenario. This is what the paper I linked talks

about, and is a technique that my doctor has quite a bit of experience with

with autism, chemical sensitivities, and toxic exposures.

NJ

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>

> Cyanocobalamin has to be broken

> > down in the body more steps than hydroxy, and produces some cyanide

> on the

> > way which your body has to deal with.

>

>

> TK--- maybe, don't believe everything you read without doing a lot of

> research - one article doesn't necessarily mean it is a fact or not.

> I have never had any problem with injectable cyano, it has only made

> me feel much better. occasionally some people will have problems

> with B12

>

Hey TK, I'm glad this works for you, that's what counts.

I'm not 'believing everything I read' as you say, though. The article I

listed was written by my doctor, and he's the one who told me about the

breakdown steps of cyanocobalamin. He didn't say that meant it was out of

the question, however, just that your body has to be able to handle the

coversion and the by-products thereof. Apparently mine can't do that very

well, which is not uncommon. I take high doses of hydroxycobalamin and

folate together sublingually, several times per day. It's a technique to

improve methylation, among other things, and does somewhat mimic an

injectable in this dosing scenario. This is what the paper I linked talks

about, and is a technique that my doctor has quite a bit of experience with

with autism, chemical sensitivities, and toxic exposures.

NJ

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greetings,

i had phone consult tonight with my doc who wanted to change me from methyl

to hydroxy because i am now chelating mercury. here's my understanding of

her concern.

she recently went to ACAM training in mercury chelation. some docs there

reported that when they gave methyl b12 injections to patients who were

chelating, some patients ended up severely injured, even in wheelchairs.

their reasoning is this: normally mercury is stored in tissues, brain, and

organs, not floating around in blood, so methyl injections are not a

problem. but when one is chelating, the mercury is freed up into the blood.

when the methyl is injected, it combines with the free mercury creating

methylmercury, which is highly toxic. their thinking is that this combining

only happens when injecting methyl within about 4-6 hours of taking dmsa.

they say the hydroxy will not create this methylmercury while chelating.

(not clear why--because it takes time for enzyme conversion of hydroxy to

methyl??)

so my doc says i could continue to take methyl on my off round days, but she

does not want me to take methyl while taking dmsa unless i can space the

methyl at least 4-6 hours away from the dmsa (which is impossible on

cutler's protocol).

note that the acam protocol is based on taking a single high-dose of dmsa,

about 300mg/day, rather than cutler's low frequent dosing.

fwiw, i told my doc that in following cutler's low dose protocol, i've

already completed 6 rounds of 4 days on and only 3 days off AND i've been

using my remaining methyl injections as usual, about 3 x week--and so far i

actually feel slightly Better while on round than off. she is not convinced

that i might not have already done potential damage from creating

methylmercury in my system.

my doc is open to more info to prove that methyl is not a problem while

taking dmsa. is there some way to ask andy to comment on this? any help with

info on this issue is greatly appreciated.

perplexed,

kendra

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The reason the ACAM people are putting people in wheel chairs is

because they are using high dose DMSA once a day and probably mixing

that with IV EDTA and goodness knows what else.

There is an example mentioned in Amalgam Illness of someone Andy knew

who was a dancer until she did DMSA high dose every day (or every

second day) and ended up close to a wheelchair. I would have to

search the book to find the pages.

The ACAM people observe that some people end up in wheel chairs and

then make up a theory about why. It's too bad that they don't see

what their high dose once a day DMSA does to people.

It is fine to keep your doctor happy and use another form of B12. I

have been using cyanocobalamin (oral and injections) for convenience.

Andy was on autism mercury today saying that it doesn't matter what

form of B12 and it doesn't always have to be injected (the topic was

B12 patches).

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Autism-Mercury/message/205385

J

>

> greetings,

> i had phone consult tonight with my doc who wanted to change me from

methyl

> to hydroxy because i am now chelating mercury. here's my

understanding of

> her concern.

>

> she recently went to ACAM training in mercury chelation. some docs there

> reported that when they gave methyl b12 injections to patients who were

> chelating, some patients ended up severely injured, even in wheelchairs.

>

> their reasoning is this: normally mercury is stored in tissues,

brain, and

> organs, not floating around in blood, so methyl injections are not a

> problem. but when one is chelating, the mercury is freed up into the

blood.

> when the methyl is injected, it combines with the free mercury creating

> methylmercury, which is highly toxic. their thinking is that this

combining

> only happens when injecting methyl within about 4-6 hours of taking

dmsa.

> they say the hydroxy will not create this methylmercury while chelating.

> (not clear why--because it takes time for enzyme conversion of

hydroxy to

> methyl??)

>

> so my doc says i could continue to take methyl on my off round days,

but she

> does not want me to take methyl while taking dmsa unless i can space the

> methyl at least 4-6 hours away from the dmsa (which is impossible on

> cutler's protocol).

>

> note that the acam protocol is based on taking a single high-dose of

dmsa,

> about 300mg/day, rather than cutler's low frequent dosing.

>

> fwiw, i told my doc that in following cutler's low dose protocol, i've

> already completed 6 rounds of 4 days on and only 3 days off AND i've

been

> using my remaining methyl injections as usual, about 3 x week--and

so far i

> actually feel slightly Better while on round than off. she is not

convinced

> that i might not have already done potential damage from creating

> methylmercury in my system.

>

> my doc is open to more info to prove that methyl is not a problem while

> taking dmsa. is there some way to ask andy to comment on this? any

help with

> info on this issue is greatly appreciated.

>

> perplexed,

> kendra

>

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The reason the ACAM people are putting people in wheel chairs is

because they are using high dose DMSA once a day and probably mixing

that with IV EDTA and goodness knows what else.

There is an example mentioned in Amalgam Illness of someone Andy knew

who was a dancer until she did DMSA high dose every day (or every

second day) and ended up close to a wheelchair. I would have to

search the book to find the pages.

The ACAM people observe that some people end up in wheel chairs and

then make up a theory about why. It's too bad that they don't see

what their high dose once a day DMSA does to people.

It is fine to keep your doctor happy and use another form of B12. I

have been using cyanocobalamin (oral and injections) for convenience.

Andy was on autism mercury today saying that it doesn't matter what

form of B12 and it doesn't always have to be injected (the topic was

B12 patches).

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Autism-Mercury/message/205385

J

>

> greetings,

> i had phone consult tonight with my doc who wanted to change me from

methyl

> to hydroxy because i am now chelating mercury. here's my

understanding of

> her concern.

>

> she recently went to ACAM training in mercury chelation. some docs there

> reported that when they gave methyl b12 injections to patients who were

> chelating, some patients ended up severely injured, even in wheelchairs.

>

> their reasoning is this: normally mercury is stored in tissues,

brain, and

> organs, not floating around in blood, so methyl injections are not a

> problem. but when one is chelating, the mercury is freed up into the

blood.

> when the methyl is injected, it combines with the free mercury creating

> methylmercury, which is highly toxic. their thinking is that this

combining

> only happens when injecting methyl within about 4-6 hours of taking

dmsa.

> they say the hydroxy will not create this methylmercury while chelating.

> (not clear why--because it takes time for enzyme conversion of

hydroxy to

> methyl??)

>

> so my doc says i could continue to take methyl on my off round days,

but she

> does not want me to take methyl while taking dmsa unless i can space the

> methyl at least 4-6 hours away from the dmsa (which is impossible on

> cutler's protocol).

>

> note that the acam protocol is based on taking a single high-dose of

dmsa,

> about 300mg/day, rather than cutler's low frequent dosing.

>

> fwiw, i told my doc that in following cutler's low dose protocol, i've

> already completed 6 rounds of 4 days on and only 3 days off AND i've

been

> using my remaining methyl injections as usual, about 3 x week--and

so far i

> actually feel slightly Better while on round than off. she is not

convinced

> that i might not have already done potential damage from creating

> methylmercury in my system.

>

> my doc is open to more info to prove that methyl is not a problem while

> taking dmsa. is there some way to ask andy to comment on this? any

help with

> info on this issue is greatly appreciated.

>

> perplexed,

> kendra

>

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> greetings,

> i had phone consult tonight with my doc who wanted to change me

from methyl

> to hydroxy because i am now chelating mercury. here's my

understanding of

> her concern.

>

> she recently went to ACAM training in mercury chelation. some docs

there

> reported that when they gave methyl b12 injections to patients who

were

> chelating, some patients ended up severely injured, even in

wheelchairs.

TK--- this is an asumption not based on any scientific information

and is more likely caused by their chelation methods. They are

trying to rationalize why their method of chelation hurts people by

now saying it is the B12 - it's BS

>

> their reasoning is this: normally mercury is stored in tissues,

brain, and

> organs, not floating around in blood, so methyl injections are not a

> problem. but when one is chelating, the mercury is freed up into

the blood.

> when the methyl is injected, it combines with the free mercury

creating

> methylmercury, which is highly toxic.

TK--- so the methyl B12 already in your body wouldn't be a problem ?

your liver stores years of it and it is released continually as

needed.

their thinking is that this combining

> only happens when injecting methyl within about 4-6 hours of taking

dmsa.

TK--- this would only appply if you were using thier chelation method

which we know is bad.

> they say the hydroxy will not create this methylmercury while

chelating.

TK--- Hydroxy is converted to methyl by your body.

> (not clear why--because it takes time for enzyme conversion of

hydroxy to

> methyl??)

>

> so my doc says i could continue to take methyl on my off round

days, but she

> does not want me to take methyl while taking dmsa unless i can

space the

> methyl at least 4-6 hours away from the dmsa (which is impossible on

> cutler's protocol).

>

> note that the acam protocol is based on taking a single high-dose

of dmsa,

> about 300mg/day, rather than cutler's low frequent dosing.

>

> fwiw, i told my doc that in following cutler's low dose protocol,

i've

> already completed 6 rounds of 4 days on and only 3 days off AND

i've been

> using my remaining methyl injections as usual, about 3 x week--and

so far i

> actually feel slightly Better while on round than off. she is not

convinced

> that i might not have already done potential damage from creating

> methylmercury in my system.

>

> my doc is open to more info to prove that methyl is not a problem

while

> taking dmsa. is there some way to ask andy to comment on this?

TK--- ask her to prove it is a problem for you, have her show you

some scientific research showing this happens rather than commenting

on something someone else is saying. Otherwise use the injectable

cyano or hydroxy.

any help with

> info on this issue is greatly appreciated.

>

> perplexed,

> kendra

>

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> greetings,

> i had phone consult tonight with my doc who wanted to change me

from methyl

> to hydroxy because i am now chelating mercury. here's my

understanding of

> her concern.

>

> she recently went to ACAM training in mercury chelation. some docs

there

> reported that when they gave methyl b12 injections to patients who

were

> chelating, some patients ended up severely injured, even in

wheelchairs.

TK--- this is an asumption not based on any scientific information

and is more likely caused by their chelation methods. They are

trying to rationalize why their method of chelation hurts people by

now saying it is the B12 - it's BS

>

> their reasoning is this: normally mercury is stored in tissues,

brain, and

> organs, not floating around in blood, so methyl injections are not a

> problem. but when one is chelating, the mercury is freed up into

the blood.

> when the methyl is injected, it combines with the free mercury

creating

> methylmercury, which is highly toxic.

TK--- so the methyl B12 already in your body wouldn't be a problem ?

your liver stores years of it and it is released continually as

needed.

their thinking is that this combining

> only happens when injecting methyl within about 4-6 hours of taking

dmsa.

TK--- this would only appply if you were using thier chelation method

which we know is bad.

> they say the hydroxy will not create this methylmercury while

chelating.

TK--- Hydroxy is converted to methyl by your body.

> (not clear why--because it takes time for enzyme conversion of

hydroxy to

> methyl??)

>

> so my doc says i could continue to take methyl on my off round

days, but she

> does not want me to take methyl while taking dmsa unless i can

space the

> methyl at least 4-6 hours away from the dmsa (which is impossible on

> cutler's protocol).

>

> note that the acam protocol is based on taking a single high-dose

of dmsa,

> about 300mg/day, rather than cutler's low frequent dosing.

>

> fwiw, i told my doc that in following cutler's low dose protocol,

i've

> already completed 6 rounds of 4 days on and only 3 days off AND

i've been

> using my remaining methyl injections as usual, about 3 x week--and

so far i

> actually feel slightly Better while on round than off. she is not

convinced

> that i might not have already done potential damage from creating

> methylmercury in my system.

>

> my doc is open to more info to prove that methyl is not a problem

while

> taking dmsa. is there some way to ask andy to comment on this?

TK--- ask her to prove it is a problem for you, have her show you

some scientific research showing this happens rather than commenting

on something someone else is saying. Otherwise use the injectable

cyano or hydroxy.

any help with

> info on this issue is greatly appreciated.

>

> perplexed,

> kendra

>

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> greetings,

> i had phone consult tonight with my doc who wanted to change me

from methyl

> to hydroxy because i am now chelating mercury. here's my

understanding of

> her concern.

>

> she recently went to ACAM training in mercury chelation. some docs

there

> reported that when they gave methyl b12 injections to patients who

were

> chelating, some patients ended up severely injured, even in

wheelchairs.

>

> their reasoning is this: normally mercury is stored in tissues,

brain, and

> organs, not floating around in blood, so methyl injections are not a

> problem. but when one is chelating, the mercury is freed up into

the blood.

> when the methyl is injected, it combines with the free mercury

creating

> methylmercury, which is highly toxic. their thinking is that this

combining

> only happens when injecting methyl within about 4-6 hours of taking

dmsa.

> they say the hydroxy will not create this methylmercury while

chelating.

> (not clear why--because it takes time for enzyme conversion of

hydroxy to

> methyl??)

>

> so my doc says i could continue to take methyl on my off round

days, but she

> does not want me to take methyl while taking dmsa unless i can

space the

> methyl at least 4-6 hours away from the dmsa (which is impossible on

> cutler's protocol).

>

> note that the acam protocol is based on taking a single high-dose

of dmsa,

> about 300mg/day, rather than cutler's low frequent dosing.

>

> fwiw, i told my doc that in following cutler's low dose protocol,

i've

> already completed 6 rounds of 4 days on and only 3 days off AND

i've been

> using my remaining methyl injections as usual, about 3 x week--and

so far i

> actually feel slightly Better while on round than off. she is not

convinced

> that i might not have already done potential damage from creating

> methylmercury in my system.

>

> my doc is open to more info to prove that methyl is not a problem

while

> taking dmsa. is there some way to ask andy to comment on this?

TK--- Post the message to him instead of the general forum - he

answers more questions on the A&M forum also.

any help with

> info on this issue is greatly appreciated.

>

> perplexed,

> kendra

>

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