Re: leaky gut, chelation and yeast oh my!

[Guest guest]

I don't think you have much choice, nothing worked for me. Over time

with chelation absorbtion just started to improve. Just do what you

can

Phil

>

>

> I know I've read where Andy doesn't advise putting off chelation

> to heal the gut - since part of the problem is mercury anyway.

>

> But, if I'm dealing with absorbtion issues I don't see the point

> of taking all the supplements he recommends with chelation because

> as he says - its an expensive waste of time.

>

> I'm just really confused what to do first. Since chelation stirs

> up yeast - I don't want to make myself any worse. I'm taking

> probiotics and enzymes -- is there more I can do?

>

> Also, which supps won't be a waste when you're dealing with

> malnutrition issues?

>

> I'm sure this is a fairly common situation - so how have people

> dealt with is before?

>

>

> Thanks,

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

>

> I know I've read where Andy doesn't advise putting off chelation

> to heal the gut - since part of the problem is mercury anyway.

>

I think mercury is the underlying problem that causes lots of other

problems. The lots of other problems divert people from addressing

the underlying problem.

> But, if I'm dealing with absorbtion issues I don't see the point

> of taking all the supplements he recommends with chelation because

> as he says - its an expensive waste of time.

>

Absorption will be lower than it should be but there will still be

some absorption.

> I'm just really confused what to do first. Since chelation stirs

> up yeast - I don't want to make myself any worse. I'm taking

> probiotics and enzymes -- is there more I can do?

>

You may need extra stomach acid (betaine HCl)

I found that the SCD yogurt works real well to control dysbiosis - and

it should. Supposedly the SCD yogurt contains 700 billion good

bacteria per cup (way more than I can find in pills) and I have been

taking about 4 c/day lately.

Andy set up two files in the autism mercury files section to help

people with this issue.

Diet - how to pick the right one for your kid

http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/UEUzRvsyxARf_g2SHI0Xw0YbPrDUdoPAKIW87kNofHtDLiIn-YB\

JajtXop9eJHNjJL7HEVIUze2Nqdi9N1GccPiq8Qp1Rx68/Diet%20-%20how%20to%20pick%20the%2\

0right%20one%20for%20your%20kid.

and

neurophils.html

http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/UEUzRuCq2Bhf_g2SzoYS5kPBEHym9GC62t5OI53zDeOenZbSiVc\

8Y6SHli-bxOeX8NRx9bifT6rFm8BdRUErwNkgKptSvq1b/neutrophils.html

> Also, which supps won't be a waste when you're dealing with

> malnutrition issues?

>

The oil soluble ones will be readily absorbed - cod liver oil, fish

oil, flax oil, vitamin E, vitamin A.

The other ones that are more water soluble are not as readily absorbed

and that is why Andy suggests dividing the doses over 4 x per day.

> I'm sure this is a fairly common situation - so how have people

> dealt with is before?

>

I just keep taking my supplements and know that at least some will be

absorbed. When I have problems (like I did just recently) I have to

stop and reevaluate to see if there is something I can do differently.

I try to buy supplements in bulk and stay away from designer

supplements so that costs are lower.

This is an important issue that you have raised. I have noticed

through listening to various chelation groups that the people who have

trouble tolerating extremely low doses of chelators often report

serious gut issues. I also haven't found the real " instructions " of

how to heal a leaky gut. Parents in autism mercury do report that

chelation is what will eventually heal the gut.

J

>

> Thanks,

>

>

[Guest guest]

On the Autism-Mercury group Andy never recommends putting off chelation

until the gut is healed. He says repeatedly the gut will not heal many times

until chelation is underway and has little patience for drs who have kids on

their caseloads for more than a month or so without chelation starting.

>> I know I've read where Andy doesn't advise putting off chelation

>> to heal the gut - since part of the problem is mercury anyway.

>>

>

>

>

> I think mercury is the underlying problem that causes lots of other

> problems. The lots of other problems divert people from addressing

> the underlying problem.

>

>

>

>

>

>> But, if I'm dealing with absorbtion issues I don't see the point

>> of taking all the supplements he recommends with chelation because

>> as he says - its an expensive waste of time.

>>

>

>

>

> Absorption will be lower than it should be but there will still be

> some absorption.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>> I'm just really confused what to do first. Since chelation stirs

>> up yeast - I don't want to make myself any worse. I'm taking

>> probiotics and enzymes -- is there more I can do?

>>

>

>

>

> You may need extra stomach acid (betaine HCl)

>

> I found that the SCD yogurt works real well to control dysbiosis - and

> it should. Supposedly the SCD yogurt contains 700 billion good

> bacteria per cup (way more than I can find in pills) and I have been

> taking about 4 c/day lately.

>

> Andy set up two files in the autism mercury files section to help

> people with this issue.

>

> Diet - how to pick the right one for your kid

>

>

http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/UEUzRvsyxARf_g2SHI0Xw0YbPrDUdoPAKIW87kNofHtDLiIn-YB\

JajtXop9eJHNjJL7HEVIUze2Nqdi9N1GccPiq8Qp1Rx68/Diet%20-%20how%20to%20pick%20the%2\

0right%20one%20for%20your%20kid.

>

> and

>

> neurophils.html

>

>

http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/UEUzRuCq2Bhf_g2SzoYS5kPBEHym9GC62t5OI53zDeOenZbSiVc\

8Y6SHli-bxOeX8NRx9bifT6rFm8BdRUErwNkgKptSvq1b/neutrophils.html

>

>

>

>

>

>

>> Also, which supps won't be a waste when you're dealing with

>> malnutrition issues?

>>

>

>

>

> The oil soluble ones will be readily absorbed - cod liver oil, fish

> oil, flax oil, vitamin E, vitamin A.

>

> The other ones that are more water soluble are not as readily absorbed

> and that is why Andy suggests dividing the doses over 4 x per day.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>> I'm sure this is a fairly common situation - so how have people

>> dealt with is before?

>>

>

>

>

> I just keep taking my supplements and know that at least some will be

> absorbed. When I have problems (like I did just recently) I have to

> stop and reevaluate to see if there is something I can do differently.

> I try to buy supplements in bulk and stay away from designer

> supplements so that costs are lower.

>

> This is an important issue that you have raised. I have noticed

> through listening to various chelation groups that the people who have

> trouble tolerating extremely low doses of chelators often report

> serious gut issues. I also haven't found the real " instructions " of

> how to heal a leaky gut. Parents in autism mercury do report that

> chelation is what will eventually heal the gut.

>

> J

>

>

>

>

>

>

>>

>> Thanks,

>>

>>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I also haven't found the real " instructions " of

> how to heal a leaky gut. Parents in autism mercury do report that

> chelation is what will eventually heal the gut.

>

> J

>

We used Houston's enzymes on my youngest kid for 2 (?) years. HNI enzymes were

our first

big WOW (improvement). www.houstonni.com

You can read more about enzymes, leaky gut, bacteria, and yeast at

www.enzymestuff.com

in Illinois

[Guest guest]

I also haven't found the real " instructions " of

> how to heal a leaky gut. Parents in autism mercury do report that

> chelation is what will eventually heal the gut.

>

> J

>

We used Houston's enzymes on my youngest kid for 2 (?) years. HNI enzymes were

our first

big WOW (improvement). www.houstonni.com

You can read more about enzymes, leaky gut, bacteria, and yeast at

www.enzymestuff.com

in Illinois

[Guest guest]

I also haven't found the real " instructions " of

> how to heal a leaky gut. Parents in autism mercury do report that

> chelation is what will eventually heal the gut.

>

> J

>

We used Houston's enzymes on my youngest kid for 2 (?) years. HNI enzymes were

our first

big WOW (improvement). www.houstonni.com

You can read more about enzymes, leaky gut, bacteria, and yeast at

www.enzymestuff.com

in Illinois

[Guest guest]

> Andy set up two files in the autism mercury files section to help

> people with this issue.

>

> Diet - how to pick the right one for your kid

>

>

http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/UEUzRvsyxARf_g2SHI0Xw0YbPrDUdoPAKIW87kNofHtDLiIn-YB\

JajtXop9eJHNjJL7HEVIUze2Nqdi9N1GccPiq8Qp1Rx68/Diet%20-%20how%20to%20pick%20the%2\

0right%20one%20for%20your%20kid.

>

> and

>

> neurophils.html

>

>

http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/UEUzRuCq2Bhf_g2SzoYS5kPBEHym9GC62t5OI53zDeOenZbSiVc\

8Y6SHli-bxOeX8NRx9bifT6rFm8BdRUErwNkgKptSvq1b/neutrophils.html

These URL's won't work. You have to use this URL to get to the autism

mercury file section and then look for the file name:

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Autism-Mercury/files/

W.

[Guest guest]

Some supplements might make a huge difference for you even if you

don't absorb them fully. This is the case for me and I would feel

distinctly worse without them (I re-learn this all the time when I

decide I don't need something anymore and stop taking it). There

are others I take that don't make a discernable difference on a day

to day basis, but they are nourishing or healing to certain bodily

functions and I keep taking them because I have reason to be

concerned about those functions (adrenals, liver, brain, etc).

I am also working on the absorption issue to do whatever I can to

improve it (betaine hcl, enzymes, lots of ascorbic acid, stuff

to kill pathogens, etc). This is much more important if you have

an " all low " hair test (I don't remember if yours was one of those).

If the enzymes and probiotics are making you feel enough better,

then just stick with them. If not, then I would keep exploring

ways to address the gut problems - there are many supplements

and changes in diet that can help with yeast problems.

--

>

>

> I know I've read where Andy doesn't advise putting off chelation

> to heal the gut - since part of the problem is mercury anyway.

>

> But, if I'm dealing with absorbtion issues I don't see the point

> of taking all the supplements he recommends with chelation because

> as he says - its an expensive waste of time.

>

> I'm just really confused what to do first. Since chelation stirs

> up yeast - I don't want to make myself any worse. I'm taking

> probiotics and enzymes -- is there more I can do?

>

> Also, which supps won't be a waste when you're dealing with

> malnutrition issues?

>

> I'm sure this is a fairly common situation - so how have people

> dealt with is before?

>

>

> Thanks,

>

>

[Guest guest]

Some supplements might make a huge difference for you even if you

don't absorb them fully. This is the case for me and I would feel

distinctly worse without them (I re-learn this all the time when I

decide I don't need something anymore and stop taking it). There

are others I take that don't make a discernable difference on a day

to day basis, but they are nourishing or healing to certain bodily

functions and I keep taking them because I have reason to be

concerned about those functions (adrenals, liver, brain, etc).

I am also working on the absorption issue to do whatever I can to

improve it (betaine hcl, enzymes, lots of ascorbic acid, stuff

to kill pathogens, etc). This is much more important if you have

an " all low " hair test (I don't remember if yours was one of those).

If the enzymes and probiotics are making you feel enough better,

then just stick with them. If not, then I would keep exploring

ways to address the gut problems - there are many supplements

and changes in diet that can help with yeast problems.

--

>

>

> I know I've read where Andy doesn't advise putting off chelation

> to heal the gut - since part of the problem is mercury anyway.

>

> But, if I'm dealing with absorbtion issues I don't see the point

> of taking all the supplements he recommends with chelation because

> as he says - its an expensive waste of time.

>

> I'm just really confused what to do first. Since chelation stirs

> up yeast - I don't want to make myself any worse. I'm taking

> probiotics and enzymes -- is there more I can do?

>

> Also, which supps won't be a waste when you're dealing with

> malnutrition issues?

>

> I'm sure this is a fairly common situation - so how have people

> dealt with is before?

>

>

> Thanks,

>

>

[Guest guest]

Some supplements might make a huge difference for you even if you

don't absorb them fully. This is the case for me and I would feel

distinctly worse without them (I re-learn this all the time when I

decide I don't need something anymore and stop taking it). There

are others I take that don't make a discernable difference on a day

to day basis, but they are nourishing or healing to certain bodily

functions and I keep taking them because I have reason to be

concerned about those functions (adrenals, liver, brain, etc).

I am also working on the absorption issue to do whatever I can to

improve it (betaine hcl, enzymes, lots of ascorbic acid, stuff

to kill pathogens, etc). This is much more important if you have

an " all low " hair test (I don't remember if yours was one of those).

If the enzymes and probiotics are making you feel enough better,

then just stick with them. If not, then I would keep exploring

ways to address the gut problems - there are many supplements

and changes in diet that can help with yeast problems.

--

>

>

> I know I've read where Andy doesn't advise putting off chelation

> to heal the gut - since part of the problem is mercury anyway.

>

> But, if I'm dealing with absorbtion issues I don't see the point

> of taking all the supplements he recommends with chelation because

> as he says - its an expensive waste of time.

>

> I'm just really confused what to do first. Since chelation stirs

> up yeast - I don't want to make myself any worse. I'm taking

> probiotics and enzymes -- is there more I can do?

>

> Also, which supps won't be a waste when you're dealing with

> malnutrition issues?

>

> I'm sure this is a fairly common situation - so how have people

> dealt with is before?

>

>

> Thanks,

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi

I'm one that was having difficulty with the whole absorption

thing...for years. I would read about supplements and very carefully

self assess my need for a particular vit, min, supplement and either

receive no benefit or begin to suffer from it. All I wanted was some

relief in my gut and get some nourishment of any kind.

The answer for me at this time is eating fresh fruit meals, large

salads and steamed veggie dishes. These foods are rich in many things

needed by the body and have a high alkaline water content. Nature's

water filter.

Of course there are cravings for heavier foods so look into the SCD

diet mentioned by . " Breaking the Vicious Cycle " by Elaine

Gottschall is the most current of the heal your gut series. The basic

idea covered in the book is that if you have absorption issues eat 2/3

veggies with the remaining third being beans or chicken but hold off on

the starches for a while as anything you can't immediately absorb will

feed bacteria. Bacteria's byproducts aggravate the intestinal lining.

Candida's byproducts are apparently similar to gluten intolerant people

in that the particles will lodge into the lining and inflame the area

so much that the villi will pull tight and lie flat. The area will then

be protected with mucous creating Fort Knox Villi and not a lot of

absorption.

So a basic suggestion is keep chelating - low dose style, eat lots of

fruits and veggies and see how you feel.

Good Luck

Willem

seashell_555 wrote:

> I know I've read where Andy doesn't advise putting off chelation

> to heal the gut - since part of the problem is mercury anyway.

>

> But, if I'm dealing with absorbtion issues I don't see the point

> of taking all the supplements he recommends with chelation because

> as he says - its an expensive waste of time.

>

> I'm just really confused what to do first. Since chelation stirs

> up yeast - I don't want to make myself any worse. I'm taking

> probiotics and enzymes -- is there more I can do?

>

> Also, which supps won't be a waste when you're dealing with

> malnutrition issues?

>

> I'm sure this is a fairly common situation - so how have people

> dealt with is before?

>

>

> Thanks,

>

>

>

>