Guest guest Posted March 24, 2007 Report Share Posted March 24, 2007 Olif, when is your appointment with the MD? in Illinois Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2007 Report Share Posted March 24, 2007 Olif, The bottom line is you don't have enough cortisol to allow your body to do its job. HC will help. Until you decide about HC, one or more of licorice, ashwagandha, ginseng, glandulars, etc, in sufficient quantities, may help. Diagnos-techs calls this normal? That can't be right. Your cortisol burden for the day is 20, which could be worse, but certainly is not normal. -- > > Can someone please help me interpret my adrenal saliva results? I am not on any HC or glandulars. > > Cortisol > > 7-8 a.m. 8 Depressed 13-24 nM > 11:00 - Noon 5 Normal 5-10 nM > > 04:00 - 05:00 PM 5 Normal 3-8 nM > > 11:00 - Midnight 2 Normal 1-4 nM I cheated and did this at 9 p.m. I didn't think I was going to be awake to do this test. > > DHEA 8 Normal Adults (M/F): 3-10 ng/ml Last August, DHEA was high putting me in stage 6. The test I took was from NeuroScience, and they have a lower top range for women. The chart shows I am normal. I couldn't have gone from stage 6 to normal in 7 months, so what is going on?! Maybe if I would have actually taken the last reading near midnight, the results would reflect otherwise. I am also very fatigued. I am considering HC, but my ND doesn't like that or glandulars. > > I know Diagnos-Tech says it is " normal " but there is no way. It is partly my fault for taking my last test too early. Doesn't it look very " flat-lined " to you? That is my biggest concern. Well, that and my a.m. is way too low. The 11-noon is too low, even though it is within normal range. > > Thanks! > > -Olif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2007 Report Share Posted March 24, 2007 > 7-8 a.m. 8 Depressed 13-24 nM > 11:00 - Noon 5 Normal 5-10 nM > 04:00 - 05:00 PM 5 Normal 3-8 nM > 11:00 - Midnight 2 Normal 1-4 nM I cheated and did this at 9 p.m. I didn't think I was going to be awake to do this test. Are you sure they say it is normal? I've seen a few tests from them and the ones that looked like yours they have advised cortisol (or licorice for 6 weeks) in the morning and maybe a little at noon. Did your doctor say they said it was normal or did DiagnosTechs? I believe you are in need of cortisol and would encourage you to consider about 5mg at 7-8am and 2.5 at 11-12 and see how you do. It is really not a big deal and is very helpful. If you were low in progesterone or DHEA we wouldn't even question it. Cortisol helps a lot. Yes, foods can stimulate your adrenals. Especially food that you are allergic too. Dean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2007 Report Share Posted March 24, 2007 > > I believe you are in need of cortisol and would encourage you to consider > about 5mg at 7-8am and 2.5 at 11-12 and see how you do. Seconding this recommendation. I bet you're going to feel a LOT better. The difference in how bad your days are is how much stress you're facing, and as you're probably noticing, things that you never used to think twice about can actually be very stressful, like driving or answering the doorbell. The right amount of cortisol will even things out again so you can deal with stress more like a normal person. Nell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2007 Report Share Posted March 24, 2007 > > " Until you decide about HC, > one or more of licorice, ashwagandha, ginseng, glandulars, etc, > in sufficient quantities, may help. " > > Hi, . I tried glandulars a couple days, but I started getting a little anxiety. I am not sure if I am getting hyper symptoms back (I am TPO positive), or if it is the adrenaline in the glandular causing problems. Some people do have trouble with glandulars - pretty common. If it is not working for you then skip it. > I recently started ashwaghandha, but I have heard this can aggregative Hashi's- is that true and how would I know? Theoretically it could. It stimulates immune function in general and could stimulate that part of immunity that makes thyroid antibodies. Ginseng might be okay - I haven't researched it. > I am trying licorice some days too. I have the tincture and honestly don't care for it in my a.m. tea. I am putting it in tea, because I have a strong aversion to alcohol. If you are going to use licorice, I think it is important to use it every day. It is an adaptogen and the effect is sort of cumulative over time - you have to use it regularly. I have never used tincture and honestly don't know how effective it would be. Licorice solid extract is good, or if you can find unsweetened or low sugar hard licorice candy. (If you are sensitive to wheat, watch out for it - most licorice candy contains wheat.) > I am taking pantothenic acid a few times a day, lots of C, etc. > > Some days are okay, some days are awful. I am going to at least start 2.5 mg HC in the a.m. while I am waiting to see the DO. I might even increase. Hopefully it will be here soon. Most people who need it seem to have positive experience with HC. I think it is worth a try. It is worth mentioning that I have found it strange, so there are exceptions, but I seem to be different from most others on this (and I may just need more). > " Diagnos-techs calls this normal? " > > On their graph, it falls into normal. I am probably in stage 5, up from stage 6 last fall. My DHEA is still a little on the high side, but at least within normal range. It is probably my fault for taking the last test at 9, instead of 11-midnight like it says. I am also really wondering if the spices in the Indian food helped hold my cortisol for a couple hours. Indian makes me feel really good after I eat it! :-) Stage 5 is not normal...not sure which graph you mean is showing normal. I don't think your choice to do the night sample at 9pm made much difference. Your 11-midnight could have been either higher or lower, but probably only a few points. I think your low total cortisol trumps the staging results, anyway. You need more cortisol than what you are making. Craving indian food might be due to the curry, which I believe is high copper ? - not positive. Adrenal fatigued people have copper imbalance. Or could have been salt your were craving - indian food can be very salty. -- > Thanks, > Olif > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2007 Report Share Posted March 24, 2007 > 7-8 a.m. 8 Depressed 13-24 nM > 11:00 - Noon 5 Normal 5-10 nM > 04:00 - 05:00 PM 5 Normal 3-8 nM > 11:00 - Midnight 2 Normal 1-4 nM I cheated and did this at 9 p.m. I didn't think I was going to be awake to do this test. Dean: " Are you sure they say it is normal? " On their Cortisol-DHEA Correlation, I fall in the reference range. I am not too far from stage 5, so if I would have taken my last reading at the correct time, maybe it would have put me into stage 5. Further down they do suggest low glycemic foods and cortisol augmentation, for the low morning cortisol and low daily output. Also the Indian seems to do something. It gives me a burst of energy. I feel really good physically and emotionally after I eat it. I am careful not to eat the dishes which have gluten. I am really sensitive to certain foods and I always know within 2 hours if I have eaten one of them. I wonder if I am craving the Indian because of the fat, salt, and spice. I wonder what peppers do for the adrenals? Thai is another cuisine I just love- the hotter the better-, and aside from that I really like pork sausage. I think it must be the fat and salt. The spice is an added bonus. Thanks, Olift Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2007 Report Share Posted March 24, 2007 > 7-8 a.m. 8 Depressed 13-24 nM > 11:00 - Noon 5 Normal 5-10 nM > 04:00 - 05:00 PM 5 Normal 3-8 nM > 11:00 - Midnight 2 Normal 1-4 nM I cheated and did this at 9 p.m. I didn't think I was going to be awake to do this test. Dean: " Are you sure they say it is normal? " On their Cortisol-DHEA Correlation, I fall in the reference range. I am not too far from stage 5, so if I would have taken my last reading at the correct time, maybe it would have put me into stage 5. Further down they do suggest low glycemic foods and cortisol augmentation, for the low morning cortisol and low daily output. Also the Indian seems to do something. It gives me a burst of energy. I feel really good physically and emotionally after I eat it. I am careful not to eat the dishes which have gluten. I am really sensitive to certain foods and I always know within 2 hours if I have eaten one of them. I wonder if I am craving the Indian because of the fat, salt, and spice. I wonder what peppers do for the adrenals? Thai is another cuisine I just love- the hotter the better-, and aside from that I really like pork sausage. I think it must be the fat and salt. The spice is an added bonus. Thanks, Olift Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2007 Report Share Posted March 24, 2007 > > > I do have HC in the mail. What do you think of my results? I can post the thyroid and hormone as well...I look hypo for thyroid- TSH through the roof. > > Thanks, > Olif > I don't know enough about it to comment intelligently on your test results. Sorry! My adrenal results were low-normal, and I thought taking Isocort took the edge off of some anxiety I was feeling. I also started taking B5 and B6, sea salt and ashwaghanda. Not sure what to make of that high TSH and if it has anything to do with the Iodoral. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2007 Report Share Posted March 25, 2007 > > 7-8 a.m. 8 Depressed 13-24 nM > > 11:00 - Noon 5 Normal 5-10 nM Hi Olif, Your morning level is out of range and is thus not normal. Your noon range is right at the bottom or normal and is below optimal. Cortisol is definitely needed. I'm glad you see the recommendation from Diagnos techs about taking cortisol and would suggest you follow it. Only Whole Licorice Extract should be used and only for 6 weeks at a time and not in conjunction with cortisol. Whole licorice extract has an overall effect of retaining cortisol and increasing the body's response to cortisol and aldosterone. I felt good on cortisol when I needed it, but hyped on Whole licorice extract. Here is some info I learned about a restoration plan for the adrenals http://www.livingnetwork.co.za/healingnetwork/licorice.html Dean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2007 Report Share Posted March 25, 2007 > > 7-8 a.m. 8 Depressed 13-24 nM > > 11:00 - Noon 5 Normal 5-10 nM Hi Olif, Your morning level is out of range and is thus not normal. Your noon range is right at the bottom or normal and is below optimal. Cortisol is definitely needed. I'm glad you see the recommendation from Diagnos techs about taking cortisol and would suggest you follow it. Only Whole Licorice Extract should be used and only for 6 weeks at a time and not in conjunction with cortisol. Whole licorice extract has an overall effect of retaining cortisol and increasing the body's response to cortisol and aldosterone. I felt good on cortisol when I needed it, but hyped on Whole licorice extract. Here is some info I learned about a restoration plan for the adrenals http://www.livingnetwork.co.za/healingnetwork/licorice.html Dean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2007 Report Share Posted March 25, 2007 > > So like when the phone rings and I want to throw it through the wall rather than answer it, that isn't a normal feeling people have?! Or when I don't know what we are going to eat for dinner, and I just feel like crying about it. Those feelings might go away? :-) LOL OLif! Yes! And rather quickly too! Nell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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