Re: Infection and immunity - Nell

[Guest guest]

> Would you mind reviewing for me what worked for your son with

> infection and immunity?

The first thing I tried was the enzyme Virastop. Got a huge response

from that -- sudden, developed social skills, ability to concentrate,

learned to read quickly. I worked him up to something like 24 caps a

day in 4 divided doses, which took close to 2 months, and kept him

there for abut 6 weeks.

Whenever I tried olive leaf extract it caused more yeast than I was

willing to deal with (which is saying something). Same thing with

Lauricidin. So for a long time all I did was use a lot of coconut oil

in cooking, plenty of vit C, and shorter courses of Virastop a few

times a year. He started to get sick less often but was still pretty

sickly, nothing serious but a lot of colds, coughs, etc. that lasted a

long time.

He responded well to ProBoost, which is thymus extract. Sweet powder

you put under your tongue, expensive.

He responded well to Valtrex, although he needed to take Diflucan

because it too made yeast much worse. I only kept him on Valtrex for a

few month because I had a bad feeling about it for some reason. Or

maybe I just got sick of wiping all the dye off the tablets.

LDN has been the thing, I guess along with getting so far in

chelation, that has pushed him to about 98% recovered. It did not

cause yeast, just a general evening-out of the last twitchiness,

better mood, better ability to handle life. He has had intermittent

fevers with no other symptoms that McCandless and Megson seem to think

are latent viruses coming out and being dispatched.

Also beta glucan and mushrooms (cordyceps, and a product with a lot of

them mixed) have been helpful too. I can't seem to find it, but I read

an Andy post once that suggested taking a ton of antivirals at once,

so I just started doing it all -- high dose C for awhile too.

>

> I still get frequent viral infections (and a couple bacterial

> infections in the last year) and I must plan out what I can do to get

> my immune system working better.

Have you had any viral panels run? Do you think you have

stealth/latent viruses or only trouble fighting off what you're

exposed to now? Do you have big problems with yeast?

>

> I take more than the basics of Andy's supplements and am thinking of

> including others (like lysine and arginine I take some of the time, I

> ordered Neutrophil plus, I have OLE and some of the antivirals).

Yes, I forgot NP. That followed the usual pattern -- improvements

mixed with yeast. I think that's why LDN helped so much -- it seemed

to help n's body get balanced between the two types of immunity

rather than being all on one side (sorry, I'm blanking out on what the

two sides are called). You might read McCandless's LDN yahoogroup for

a bit and see if that might work for you. There are lots of adults

trying it.

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Autism_LDN/

>Once the virus hits I'm not that great in the thinking arena.

Yep. n's cognitive and focusing abilities would go downhill fast

when he was dealing with viruses.

Another thing I might try -- partly because it's not complicated -- is

Dana's high dose C idea. It's *really high doses though.

Nell

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>

> > I still get frequent viral infections (and a couple bacterial

> > infections in the last year) and I must plan out what I can do to get

> > my immune system working better.

>

> Have you had any viral panels run?

No. Not sure how to do that in Canada.

> Do you think you have

> stealth/latent viruses or only trouble fighting off what you're

> exposed to now?

I think it's mostly that I catch everything and still can't shake

them. When I first started on the cortef I could double the cortef

for three days and a cold was gone. Now they linger for a long time.

Last winter I developed a nasty secondary infection (respiratory)

that had to be treated with antibiotics.

> Do you have big problems with yeast?

> >

No, but I recently have had a problem with a bacterial infection in my

colon and had to take another course of antibiotics so I am getting

super paranoid about every possible problem including yeast.

And I'm scared that the next time I have a bacterial infection my doc

might hesitate to treat it in a timely fashion. I found out these

last two times how fast the infection can take me down. It's scary.

>You might read McCandless's LDN yahoogroup for

> a bit and see if that might work for you. There are lots of adults

> trying it.

>

LDN is one of the things I have been on for several years because it

has been reported to help to prevent MS type relapses. I don't notice

that it does anything but I take it just in case (and it's covered by

insurance while supplements aren't).

>

> Another thing I might try -- partly because it's not complicated -- is

> Dana's high dose C idea. It's *really high doses though.

>

Thanks so much for the review. I'll study all the responses, make

myself a game plan, and order some stuff. It's too late when the

virus hits.

> Nell

>

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>

> > I still get frequent viral infections (and a couple bacterial

> > infections in the last year) and I must plan out what I can do to get

> > my immune system working better.

>

> Have you had any viral panels run?

No. Not sure how to do that in Canada.

> Do you think you have

> stealth/latent viruses or only trouble fighting off what you're

> exposed to now?

I think it's mostly that I catch everything and still can't shake

them. When I first started on the cortef I could double the cortef

for three days and a cold was gone. Now they linger for a long time.

Last winter I developed a nasty secondary infection (respiratory)

that had to be treated with antibiotics.

> Do you have big problems with yeast?

> >

No, but I recently have had a problem with a bacterial infection in my

colon and had to take another course of antibiotics so I am getting

super paranoid about every possible problem including yeast.

And I'm scared that the next time I have a bacterial infection my doc

might hesitate to treat it in a timely fashion. I found out these

last two times how fast the infection can take me down. It's scary.

>You might read McCandless's LDN yahoogroup for

> a bit and see if that might work for you. There are lots of adults

> trying it.

>

LDN is one of the things I have been on for several years because it

has been reported to help to prevent MS type relapses. I don't notice

that it does anything but I take it just in case (and it's covered by

insurance while supplements aren't).

>

> Another thing I might try -- partly because it's not complicated -- is

> Dana's high dose C idea. It's *really high doses though.

>

Thanks so much for the review. I'll study all the responses, make

myself a game plan, and order some stuff. It's too late when the

virus hits.

> Nell

>

[Guest guest]

>

> > I still get frequent viral infections (and a couple bacterial

> > infections in the last year) and I must plan out what I can do to get

> > my immune system working better.

>

> Have you had any viral panels run?

No. Not sure how to do that in Canada.

> Do you think you have

> stealth/latent viruses or only trouble fighting off what you're

> exposed to now?

I think it's mostly that I catch everything and still can't shake

them. When I first started on the cortef I could double the cortef

for three days and a cold was gone. Now they linger for a long time.

Last winter I developed a nasty secondary infection (respiratory)

that had to be treated with antibiotics.

> Do you have big problems with yeast?

> >

No, but I recently have had a problem with a bacterial infection in my

colon and had to take another course of antibiotics so I am getting

super paranoid about every possible problem including yeast.

And I'm scared that the next time I have a bacterial infection my doc

might hesitate to treat it in a timely fashion. I found out these

last two times how fast the infection can take me down. It's scary.

>You might read McCandless's LDN yahoogroup for

> a bit and see if that might work for you. There are lots of adults

> trying it.

>

LDN is one of the things I have been on for several years because it

has been reported to help to prevent MS type relapses. I don't notice

that it does anything but I take it just in case (and it's covered by

insurance while supplements aren't).

>

> Another thing I might try -- partly because it's not complicated -- is

> Dana's high dose C idea. It's *really high doses though.

>

Thanks so much for the review. I'll study all the responses, make

myself a game plan, and order some stuff. It's too late when the

virus hits.

> Nell

>

[Guest guest]

> Have you had any viral panels run?

>

>

>

> No. Not sure how to do that in Canada.

I had my regular doc do one that looked for various herpes viruses,

EBV, and a few other things. I don't think it went to a specialty lab

or anything.

>

> When I first started on the cortef I could double the cortef

> for three days and a cold was gone. Now they linger for a long time.

Even when you double the Cortf? That's interesting. I headed off flu

by doubling my Cortef and I thought it was serious magic I felt so

much better so quickly. I wonder why that effect would wear off.

> And I'm scared that the next time I have a bacterial infection my doc

> might hesitate to treat it in a timely fashion. I found out these

> last two times how fast the infection can take me down. It's scary.

It sounds scary. Have you tried the usual natural antibiotics, like

oil of oregano and Biocidin?

Nell