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AN ACT

relating to the holidays for members of fire and police departments in

certain municipalities.

BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS:

SECTION 1. Section 142.0013©, Local Government Code, is amended to read

as follows:

© A fire fighter [and a police officer] shall be granted the same

number of vacation days and holidays, or days in lieu of vacation days or

holidays, granted to other municipal employees, at least one of which shall be

designated as September 11th.

SECTION 2. Section 142.0013, Local Government Code, is amended by adding

Subsection (d) to read as follows:

(d) A police officer shall be granted the same number of vacation days

and holidays, or days in lieu of vacation days or holidays, granted to other

municipal employees.

SECTION 3. This Act takes effect September 1, 2009.

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AN ACT

relating to the holidays for members of fire and police departments in

certain municipalities.

BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS:

SECTION 1. Section 142.0013©, Local Government Code, is amended to read

as follows:

© A fire fighter [and a police officer] shall be granted the same

number of vacation days and holidays, or days in lieu of vacation days or

holidays, granted to other municipal employees, at least one of which shall be

designated as September 11th.

SECTION 2. Section 142.0013, Local Government Code, is amended by adding

Subsection (d) to read as follows:

(d) A police officer shall be granted the same number of vacation days

and holidays, or days in lieu of vacation days or holidays, granted to other

municipal employees.

SECTION 3. This Act takes effect September 1, 2009.

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AN ACT

relating to the holidays for members of fire and police departments in

certain municipalities.

BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS:

SECTION 1. Section 142.0013©, Local Government Code, is amended to read

as follows:

© A fire fighter [and a police officer] shall be granted the same

number of vacation days and holidays, or days in lieu of vacation days or

holidays, granted to other municipal employees, at least one of which shall be

designated as September 11th.

SECTION 2. Section 142.0013, Local Government Code, is amended by adding

Subsection (d) to read as follows:

(d) A police officer shall be granted the same number of vacation days

and holidays, or days in lieu of vacation days or holidays, granted to other

municipal employees.

SECTION 3. This Act takes effect September 1, 2009.

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I agree but ask oneself why out of sight out of mine.

Lack of a voice? Lack of a lobby? Lack of a presence? All of the above?

You asked in another thread what number of some 50,000 EMS Providers in

Texas were EMSAT Members, the answer is less than 0.1%.

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" Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

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In a message dated 8/31/2009 9:24:59 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

bbledsoe@... writes:

There were several EMS providers killed at the WTC. Does this mean that EMS

providers will not be afforded the same benefits from this bill as

firefighters and police officers? I think this is a slap in the face to EMS

providers and I don¹t mean to take away from the tragedy of 9/11‹it¹s just

typical of how government views EMS (out of sight, out of mind).

On 8/31/09 9:17 PM, " _maxifire@..._ (mailto:maxifire@...) "

_maxifire@..._ (mailto:maxifire@...) > wrote:

>

>

>

>

>

> AN ACT

> relating to the holidays for members of fire and police departments in

> certain municipalities.

> BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS:

> SECTION 1. Section 142.0013©, Local Government Code, is amended to read

> as follows:

> © A fire fighter [and a police officer] shall be granted the same

> number of vacation days and holidays, or days in lieu of vacation days or

> holidays, granted to other municipal employees, at least one of which

shall

> be

> designated as September 11th.

> SECTION 2. Section 142.0013, Local Government Code, is amended by adding

> Subsection (d) to read as follows:

> (d) A police officer shall be granted the same number of vacation days

> and holidays, or days in lieu of vacation days or holidays, granted to

other

> municipal employees.

> SECTION 3. This Act takes effect September 1, 2009.

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

>

>

>

>>

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I agree but ask oneself why out of sight out of mine.

Lack of a voice? Lack of a lobby? Lack of a presence? All of the above?

You asked in another thread what number of some 50,000 EMS Providers in

Texas were EMSAT Members, the answer is less than 0.1%.

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant

LNMolino@...

(Cell Phone)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

" Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)

In a message dated 8/31/2009 9:24:59 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

bbledsoe@... writes:

There were several EMS providers killed at the WTC. Does this mean that EMS

providers will not be afforded the same benefits from this bill as

firefighters and police officers? I think this is a slap in the face to EMS

providers and I don¹t mean to take away from the tragedy of 9/11‹it¹s just

typical of how government views EMS (out of sight, out of mind).

On 8/31/09 9:17 PM, " _maxifire@..._ (mailto:maxifire@...) "

_maxifire@..._ (mailto:maxifire@...) > wrote:

>

>

>

>

>

> AN ACT

> relating to the holidays for members of fire and police departments in

> certain municipalities.

> BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS:

> SECTION 1. Section 142.0013©, Local Government Code, is amended to read

> as follows:

> © A fire fighter [and a police officer] shall be granted the same

> number of vacation days and holidays, or days in lieu of vacation days or

> holidays, granted to other municipal employees, at least one of which

shall

> be

> designated as September 11th.

> SECTION 2. Section 142.0013, Local Government Code, is amended by adding

> Subsection (d) to read as follows:

> (d) A police officer shall be granted the same number of vacation days

> and holidays, or days in lieu of vacation days or holidays, granted to

other

> municipal employees.

> SECTION 3. This Act takes effect September 1, 2009.

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

>

>

>

>>

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I agree but ask oneself why out of sight out of mine.

Lack of a voice? Lack of a lobby? Lack of a presence? All of the above?

You asked in another thread what number of some 50,000 EMS Providers in

Texas were EMSAT Members, the answer is less than 0.1%.

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant

LNMolino@...

(Cell Phone)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

" Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)

In a message dated 8/31/2009 9:24:59 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

bbledsoe@... writes:

There were several EMS providers killed at the WTC. Does this mean that EMS

providers will not be afforded the same benefits from this bill as

firefighters and police officers? I think this is a slap in the face to EMS

providers and I don¹t mean to take away from the tragedy of 9/11‹it¹s just

typical of how government views EMS (out of sight, out of mind).

On 8/31/09 9:17 PM, " _maxifire@..._ (mailto:maxifire@...) "

_maxifire@..._ (mailto:maxifire@...) > wrote:

>

>

>

>

>

> AN ACT

> relating to the holidays for members of fire and police departments in

> certain municipalities.

> BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS:

> SECTION 1. Section 142.0013©, Local Government Code, is amended to read

> as follows:

> © A fire fighter [and a police officer] shall be granted the same

> number of vacation days and holidays, or days in lieu of vacation days or

> holidays, granted to other municipal employees, at least one of which

shall

> be

> designated as September 11th.

> SECTION 2. Section 142.0013, Local Government Code, is amended by adding

> Subsection (d) to read as follows:

> (d) A police officer shall be granted the same number of vacation days

> and holidays, or days in lieu of vacation days or holidays, granted to

other

> municipal employees.

> SECTION 3. This Act takes effect September 1, 2009.

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

>

>

>

>>

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There were several EMS providers killed at the WTC. Does this mean that EMS

providers will not be afforded the same benefits from this bill as

firefighters and police officers? I think this is a slap in the face to EMS

providers and I don¹t mean to take away from the tragedy of 9/11‹it¹s just

typical of how government views EMS (out of sight, out of mind).

>

>

>

>

>

> AN ACT

> relating to the holidays for members of fire and police departments in

> certain municipalities.

> BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS:

> SECTION 1. Section 142.0013©, Local Government Code, is amended to read

> as follows:

> © A fire fighter [and a police officer] shall be granted the same

> number of vacation days and holidays, or days in lieu of vacation days or

> holidays, granted to other municipal employees, at least one of which shall

> be

> designated as September 11th.

> SECTION 2. Section 142.0013, Local Government Code, is amended by adding

> Subsection (d) to read as follows:

> (d) A police officer shall be granted the same number of vacation days

> and holidays, or days in lieu of vacation days or holidays, granted to other

> municipal employees.

> SECTION 3. This Act takes effect September 1, 2009.

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There were several EMS providers killed at the WTC. Does this mean that EMS

providers will not be afforded the same benefits from this bill as

firefighters and police officers? I think this is a slap in the face to EMS

providers and I don¹t mean to take away from the tragedy of 9/11‹it¹s just

typical of how government views EMS (out of sight, out of mind).

>

>

>

>

>

> AN ACT

> relating to the holidays for members of fire and police departments in

> certain municipalities.

> BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS:

> SECTION 1. Section 142.0013©, Local Government Code, is amended to read

> as follows:

> © A fire fighter [and a police officer] shall be granted the same

> number of vacation days and holidays, or days in lieu of vacation days or

> holidays, granted to other municipal employees, at least one of which shall

> be

> designated as September 11th.

> SECTION 2. Section 142.0013, Local Government Code, is amended by adding

> Subsection (d) to read as follows:

> (d) A police officer shall be granted the same number of vacation days

> and holidays, or days in lieu of vacation days or holidays, granted to other

> municipal employees.

> SECTION 3. This Act takes effect September 1, 2009.

>

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There were several EMS providers killed at the WTC. Does this mean that EMS

providers will not be afforded the same benefits from this bill as

firefighters and police officers? I think this is a slap in the face to EMS

providers and I don¹t mean to take away from the tragedy of 9/11‹it¹s just

typical of how government views EMS (out of sight, out of mind).

>

>

>

>

>

> AN ACT

> relating to the holidays for members of fire and police departments in

> certain municipalities.

> BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS:

> SECTION 1. Section 142.0013©, Local Government Code, is amended to read

> as follows:

> © A fire fighter [and a police officer] shall be granted the same

> number of vacation days and holidays, or days in lieu of vacation days or

> holidays, granted to other municipal employees, at least one of which shall

> be

> designated as September 11th.

> SECTION 2. Section 142.0013, Local Government Code, is amended by adding

> Subsection (d) to read as follows:

> (d) A police officer shall be granted the same number of vacation days

> and holidays, or days in lieu of vacation days or holidays, granted to other

> municipal employees.

> SECTION 3. This Act takes effect September 1, 2009.

>

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I sent the gentleman in question a leter expressing my views on EMS being left

out of the bill. I like to think it was in a very tastefull and respectable way.

Who knows maybe he will listen and care.

Subject: Re: Texas Legislature Online - 81® History for HB 2113

To: texasems-l

Date: Monday, August 31, 2009, 9:17 PM

 

AN ACT

relating to the holidays for members of fire and police departments in

certain municipalities.

BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS:

SECTION 1. Section 142.0013©, Local Government Code, is amended to read

as follows:

© A fire fighter [and a police officer] shall be granted the same

number of vacation days and holidays, or days in lieu of vacation days or

holidays, granted to other municipal employees, at least one of which shall be

designated as September 11th.

SECTION 2. Section 142.0013, Local Government Code, is amended by adding

Subsection (d) to read as follows:

(d) A police officer shall be granted the same number of vacation days

and holidays, or days in lieu of vacation days or holidays, granted to other

municipal employees.

SECTION 3. This Act takes effect September 1, 2009.

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I certainly understand everyone's feelings of EMS being left out in the

cold...but lets take a few minutes and analyze this bill and what it actually

does.

 

First of all, this applies to MUNICIPAL employees only...so if they put in EMS,

it would only apply to municipal EMS systems, not private, volunteer, or other

providers. 

 

Secondly, many FD's provide EMS such as the largest FD/EMS agency in the state

in this Representatives district.  These FD based EMS's do not talk about EMS

being provided by other means...so their legislators believe they have included

EMS in legislation such as this because all of the EMS people they are familiar

with are firefighters.

Lastly, this bill does NOTHING except tell cities to take one of their existing

holidays and for firefighters and police officers, make it 9/11 instead of

Columbus Day or the day after Thanksgiving or any of the other holidays they

currently have.  Read it, it says that FD and PD folks shall be given the same

number of paid holidays as all other municipal employees AND one of those days

must be 9/11.  So, if your municipal FD currently gets 10 paid holidays a year

and that is equal to the other municipal employees (public works, water

department, finance, etc) then one of those 10 days must be moved to 9/11. 

Right, wrong or indifferent, each time we work to include EMS specifically in a

law like this, it starts to get really really confusing because of the diversity

of delivery mode

ls EMS is provided in across the State.

Dudley

Re: Texas Legislature Online - 81® History for HB 2113

There were several EMS providers killed at the WTC. Does this mean that EMS

providers will not be afforded the same benefits from this bill as

firefighters and police officers? I think this is a slap in the face to EMS

providers and I don¹t mean to take away from the tragedy of 9/11‹it¹s just

typical of how government views EMS (out of sight, out of mind).

>

>

>

>

>

> AN ACT

> relating to the holidays for members of fire and police departments in

> certain municipalities.

> BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS:

> SECTION 1. Section 142.0013©, Local Government Code, is amended to read

> as follows:

> © A fire fighter [and a police officer] shall be granted the same

> number of vacation days and holidays, or days in lieu of vacation days or

> holidays, granted to other municipal employees, at least one of which shall

> be

> designated as September 11th.

> SECTION 2. Section 142.0013, Local Government Code, is amended by adding

> Subsection (d) to read as follows:

> (d) A police officer shall be granted the same number of vacation days

> and holidays, or days in lieu of vacation days or holida

ys, granted to other

> municipal employees.

> SECTION 3. This Act takes effect September 1, 2009.

>

>

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Actually, the bill is so poorly written it reads like Korean furniture

assembly instructions. I was just venting after a conversation with a good

paramedic who is leaving EMS to sell medical devices and starting at twice

the salary of his paramedic job.

>

>

>

>

>

> I certainly understand everyone's feelings of EMS being left out in the

> cold...but lets take a few minutes and analyze this bill and what it actually

> does.

>

>  

>

> First of all, this applies to MUNICIPAL employees only...so if they put in

> EMS, it would only apply to municipal EMS systems, not private, volunteer, or

> other providers. 

>

>  

>

> Secondly, many FD's provide EMS such as the largest FD/EMS agency in the state

> in this Representatives district.  These FD based EMS's do not talk about EMS

> being provided by other means...so their legislators believe they have

> included EMS in legislation such as this because all of the EMS people they

> are familiar with are firefighters.

>

> Lastly, this bill does NOTHING except tell cities to take one of their

> existing holidays and for firefighters and police officers, make it 9/11

> instead of Columbus Day or the day after Thanksgiving or any of the other

> holidays they currently have.  Read it, it says that FD and PD folks shall be

> given the same number of paid holidays as all other municipal employees AND

> one of those days must be 9/11.  So, if your municipal FD currently gets 10

> paid holidays a year and that is equal to the other municipal employees

> (public works, water department, finance, etc) then one of those 10 days must

> be moved to 9/11. 

>

> Right, wrong or indifferent, each time we work to include EMS specifically in

> a law like this, it starts to get really really confusing because of the

> diversity of delivery mode

> ls EMS is provided in across the State.

>

> Dudley

>

> Re: Texas Legislature Online - 81® History for HB 2113

>

> There were several EMS providers killed at the WTC. Does this mean that EMS

> providers will not be afforded the same benefits from this bill as

> firefighters and police officers? I think this is a slap in the face to EMS

> providers and I don¹t mean to take away from the tragedy of 9/11‹it¹s just

> typical of how government views EMS (out of sight, out of mind).

>

> On 8/31/09 9:17 PM, " maxifire@... "

> maxifire@... > wrote:

>

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > AN ACT

>> > relating to the holidays for members of fire and police departments in

>> > certain municipalities.

>> > BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS:

>> > SECTION 1. Section 142.0013©, Local Government Code, is amended to read

>> > as follows:

>> > © A fire fighter [and a police officer] shall be granted the same

>> > number of vacation days and holidays, or days in lieu of vacation days or

>> > holidays, granted to other municipal employees, at least one of which shall

>> > be

>> > designated as September 11th.

>> > SECTION 2. Section 142.0013, Local Government Code, is amended by adding

>> > Subsection (d) to read as follows:

>> > (d) A police officer shall be granted the same number of vacation days

>> > and holidays, or days in lieu of vacation days or holida

> ys, granted to other

>> > municipal employees.

>> > SECTION 3. This Act takes effect September 1, 2009.

>> >

>> >

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Why don't the educators include membership into EMSAT as a requirement for the

course and even include something that shows involvement? By starting people

off already involved maybe a few would stay actively involved.

Renny Spencer

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> > certain municipalities.

> > BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS:

> > SECTION 1. Section 142.0013©, Local Government Code, is amended to read

> > as follows:

> > © A fire fighter [and a police officer] shall be granted the same

> > number of vacation days and holidays, or days in lieu of vacation days or

> > holidays, granted to other municipal employees, at least one of which

> shall

> > be

> > designated as September 11th.

> > SECTION 2. Section 142.0013, Local Government Code, is amended by adding

> > Subsection (d) to read as follows:

> > (d) A police officer shall be granted the same number of vacation days

> > and holidays, or days in lieu of vacation days or holidays, granted to

> other

> > municipal employees.

> > SECTION 3. This Act takes effect September 1, 2009.

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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> > certain municipalities.

> > BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS:

> > SECTION 1. Section 142.0013©, Local Government Code, is amended to read

> > as follows:

> > © A fire fighter [and a police officer] shall be granted the same

> > number of vacation days and holidays, or days in lieu of vacation days or

> > holidays, granted to other municipal employees, at least one of which

> shall

> > be

> > designated as September 11th.

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> > Subsection (d) to read as follows:

> > (d) A police officer shall be granted the same number of vacation days

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>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > AN ACT

> > relating to the holidays for members of fire and police departments in

> > certain municipalities.

> > BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS:

> > SECTION 1. Section 142.0013©, Local Government Code, is amended to read

> > as follows:

> > © A fire fighter [and a police officer] shall be granted the same

> > number of vacation days and holidays, or days in lieu of vacation days or

> > holidays, granted to other municipal employees, at least one of which

> shall

> > be

> > designated as September 11th.

> > SECTION 2. Section 142.0013, Local Government Code, is amended by adding

> > Subsection (d) to read as follows:

> > (d) A police officer shall be granted the same number of vacation days

> > and holidays, or days in lieu of vacation days or holidays, granted to

> other

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> > SECTION 3. This Act takes effect September 1, 2009.

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how does Sept 11 in New York City make every firefighter in the country a

hero? I am sure I will burn in hell for this question.

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There were several EMS providers killed at the WTC. Does this mean that EMS

providers will not be afforded the same benefits from this bill as

firefighters and police officers? I think this is a slap in the face to EMS

providers and I don¹t mean to take away from the tragedy of 9/11

maxifire@... " maxifire@...> wrote:

>

>

>

>

>

> AN ACT

> relating to the holidays for members of fire and police departments in

> certain municipalities.

> BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS:

> SECTION 1. Section 142.0013©, Local Government Code, is amended to read

> as follows:

> © A fire fighter [and a police officer] shall be granted the same

> number of vacation days and holidays, or days in lieu of vacation days or

> holidays, granted to other municipal employees, at least one of which shall

> be

> designated as September 11th.

> SECTION 2. Section 142.0013, Local Government Code, is amended by adding

> Subsection (d) to read as follows:

> (d) A police officer shall be granted the same number of vacation days

> and holidays, or days in lieu of vacation days or holidays, granted to other

> municipal employees.

> SECTION 3. This Act takes effect September 1, 2009.

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how does Sept 11 in New York City make every firefighter in the country a

hero? I am sure I will burn in hell for this question.

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There were several EMS providers killed at the WTC. Does this mean that EMS

providers will not be afforded the same benefits from this bill as

firefighters and police officers? I think this is a slap in the face to EMS

providers and I don¹t mean to take away from the tragedy of 9/11

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>

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> AN ACT

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> certain municipalities.

> BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS:

> SECTION 1. Section 142.0013©, Local Government Code, is amended to read

> as follows:

> © A fire fighter [and a police officer] shall be granted the same

> number of vacation days and holidays, or days in lieu of vacation days or

> holidays, granted to other municipal employees, at least one of which shall

> be

> designated as September 11th.

> SECTION 2. Section 142.0013, Local Government Code, is amended by adding

> Subsection (d) to read as follows:

> (d) A police officer shall be granted the same number of vacation days

> and holidays, or days in lieu of vacation days or holidays, granted to other

> municipal employees.

> SECTION 3. This Act takes effect September 1, 2009.

>

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how does Sept 11 in New York City make every firefighter in the country a

hero? I am sure I will burn in hell for this question.

Henry

Re: Texas Legislature Online - 81® History for HB 2113

There were several EMS providers killed at the WTC. Does this mean that EMS

providers will not be afforded the same benefits from this bill as

firefighters and police officers? I think this is a slap in the face to EMS

providers and I don¹t mean to take away from the tragedy of 9/11

maxifire@... " maxifire@...> wrote:

>

>

>

>

>

> AN ACT

> relating to the holidays for members of fire and police departments in

> certain municipalities.

> BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS:

> SECTION 1. Section 142.0013©, Local Government Code, is amended to read

> as follows:

> © A fire fighter [and a police officer] shall be granted the same

> number of vacation days and holidays, or days in lieu of vacation days or

> holidays, granted to other municipal employees, at least one of which shall

> be

> designated as September 11th.

> SECTION 2. Section 142.0013, Local Government Code, is amended by adding

> Subsection (d) to read as follows:

> (d) A police officer shall be granted the same number of vacation days

> and holidays, or days in lieu of vacation days or holidays, granted to other

> municipal employees.

> SECTION 3. This Act takes effect September 1, 2009.

>

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Our city allows for a floating holiday that can be taken on a couple days

designated every year. For those of us in Fire, it just means holiday pay on

that day. We will now be allowed use 9/11 as a floating holiday, nothing really

changed. Just the day that the floating holiday can be used.

I hope we can focus on the fact that 9/11 was a terrible day for our country

regardless of the uniform you were wearing at the time. It affected us all

public/private, fire/EMS, or private citizen. I think it is a step in the right

direction in that it denotes that a significant national event occurred on that

date. We have so many other holidays that don’t really mean much, it would be

nice if this became a full-fledged holiday that EVERYONE got off or paid extra

on. I feel for EMS and police who lost personnel just like fire did. Fire is

just a little better connected through the IAFF.

I was on duty on 9/11 that morning. I encourage everyone regardless of the patch

to remember that day. To quote another: “Never forgetting means never

forgettingâ€.

9.11.01

From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On Behalf

Of THEDUDMAN@...

Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 11:18 PM

To: texasems-l

Subject: Re: Texas Legislature Online - 81® History for HB 2113

I certainly understand everyone's feelings of EMS being left out in the

cold...but lets take a few minutes and analyze this bill and what it actually

does.

First of all, this applies to MUNICIPAL employees only...so if they put in EMS,

it would only apply to municipal EMS systems, not private, volunteer, or other

providers.

Secondly, many FD's provide EMS such as the largest FD/EMS agency in the state

in this Representatives district. These FD based EMS's do not talk about EMS

being provided by other means...so their legislators believe they have included

EMS in legislation such as this because all of the EMS people they are familiar

with are firefighters.

Lastly, this bill does NOTHING except tell cities to take one of their existing

holidays and for firefighters and police officers, make it 9/11 instead of

Columbus Day or the day after Thanksgiving or any of the other holidays they

currently have. Read it, it says that FD and PD folks shall be given the same

number of paid holidays as all other municipal employees AND one of those days

must be 9/11. So, if your municipal FD currently gets 10 paid holidays a year

and that is equal to the other municipal employees (public works, water

department, finance, etc) then one of those 10 days must be moved to 9/11.

Right, wrong or indifferent, each time we work to include EMS specifically in a

law like this, it starts to get really really confusing because of the diversity

of delivery mode

ls EMS is provided in across the State.

Dudley

Re: Texas Legislature Online - 81® History for HB 2113

There were several EMS providers killed at the WTC. Does this mean that EMS

providers will not be afforded the same benefits from this bill as

firefighters and police officers? I think this is a slap in the face to EMS

providers and I don¹t mean to take away from the tragedy of 9/11‹it¹s just

typical of how government views EMS (out of sight, out of mind).

On 8/31/09 9:17 PM, " maxifire@... "

maxifire@... > wrote:

>

>

>

>

>

> AN ACT

> relating to the holidays for members of fire and police departments in

> certain municipalities.

> BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS:

> SECTION 1. Section 142.0013©, Local Government Code, is amended to read

> as follows:

> © A fire fighter [and a police officer] shall be granted the same

> number of vacation days and holidays, or days in lieu of vacation days or

> holidays, granted to other municipal employees, at least one of which shall

> be

> designated as September 11th.

> SECTION 2. Section 142.0013, Local Government Code, is amended by adding

> Subsection (d) to read as follows:

> (d) A police officer shall be granted the same number of vacation days

> and holidays, or days in lieu of vacation days or holida

ys, granted to other

> municipal employees.

> SECTION 3. This Act takes effect September 1, 2009.

>

>

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Our city allows for a floating holiday that can be taken on a couple days

designated every year. For those of us in Fire, it just means holiday pay on

that day. We will now be allowed use 9/11 as a floating holiday, nothing really

changed. Just the day that the floating holiday can be used.

I hope we can focus on the fact that 9/11 was a terrible day for our country

regardless of the uniform you were wearing at the time. It affected us all

public/private, fire/EMS, or private citizen. I think it is a step in the right

direction in that it denotes that a significant national event occurred on that

date. We have so many other holidays that don’t really mean much, it would be

nice if this became a full-fledged holiday that EVERYONE got off or paid extra

on. I feel for EMS and police who lost personnel just like fire did. Fire is

just a little better connected through the IAFF.

I was on duty on 9/11 that morning. I encourage everyone regardless of the patch

to remember that day. To quote another: “Never forgetting means never

forgettingâ€.

9.11.01

From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On Behalf

Of THEDUDMAN@...

Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 11:18 PM

To: texasems-l

Subject: Re: Texas Legislature Online - 81® History for HB 2113

I certainly understand everyone's feelings of EMS being left out in the

cold...but lets take a few minutes and analyze this bill and what it actually

does.

First of all, this applies to MUNICIPAL employees only...so if they put in EMS,

it would only apply to municipal EMS systems, not private, volunteer, or other

providers.

Secondly, many FD's provide EMS such as the largest FD/EMS agency in the state

in this Representatives district. These FD based EMS's do not talk about EMS

being provided by other means...so their legislators believe they have included

EMS in legislation such as this because all of the EMS people they are familiar

with are firefighters.

Lastly, this bill does NOTHING except tell cities to take one of their existing

holidays and for firefighters and police officers, make it 9/11 instead of

Columbus Day or the day after Thanksgiving or any of the other holidays they

currently have. Read it, it says that FD and PD folks shall be given the same

number of paid holidays as all other municipal employees AND one of those days

must be 9/11. So, if your municipal FD currently gets 10 paid holidays a year

and that is equal to the other municipal employees (public works, water

department, finance, etc) then one of those 10 days must be moved to 9/11.

Right, wrong or indifferent, each time we work to include EMS specifically in a

law like this, it starts to get really really confusing because of the diversity

of delivery mode

ls EMS is provided in across the State.

Dudley

Re: Texas Legislature Online - 81® History for HB 2113

There were several EMS providers killed at the WTC. Does this mean that EMS

providers will not be afforded the same benefits from this bill as

firefighters and police officers? I think this is a slap in the face to EMS

providers and I don¹t mean to take away from the tragedy of 9/11‹it¹s just

typical of how government views EMS (out of sight, out of mind).

On 8/31/09 9:17 PM, " maxifire@... "

maxifire@... > wrote:

>

>

>

>

>

> AN ACT

> relating to the holidays for members of fire and police departments in

> certain municipalities.

> BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS:

> SECTION 1. Section 142.0013©, Local Government Code, is amended to read

> as follows:

> © A fire fighter [and a police officer] shall be granted the same

> number of vacation days and holidays, or days in lieu of vacation days or

> holidays, granted to other municipal employees, at least one of which shall

> be

> designated as September 11th.

> SECTION 2. Section 142.0013, Local Government Code, is amended by adding

> Subsection (d) to read as follows:

> (d) A police officer shall be granted the same number of vacation days

> and holidays, or days in lieu of vacation days or holida

ys, granted to other

> municipal employees.

> SECTION 3. This Act takes effect September 1, 2009.

>

>

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Our city allows for a floating holiday that can be taken on a couple days

designated every year. For those of us in Fire, it just means holiday pay on

that day. We will now be allowed use 9/11 as a floating holiday, nothing really

changed. Just the day that the floating holiday can be used.

I hope we can focus on the fact that 9/11 was a terrible day for our country

regardless of the uniform you were wearing at the time. It affected us all

public/private, fire/EMS, or private citizen. I think it is a step in the right

direction in that it denotes that a significant national event occurred on that

date. We have so many other holidays that don’t really mean much, it would be

nice if this became a full-fledged holiday that EVERYONE got off or paid extra

on. I feel for EMS and police who lost personnel just like fire did. Fire is

just a little better connected through the IAFF.

I was on duty on 9/11 that morning. I encourage everyone regardless of the patch

to remember that day. To quote another: “Never forgetting means never

forgettingâ€.

9.11.01

From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On Behalf

Of THEDUDMAN@...

Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 11:18 PM

To: texasems-l

Subject: Re: Texas Legislature Online - 81® History for HB 2113

I certainly understand everyone's feelings of EMS being left out in the

cold...but lets take a few minutes and analyze this bill and what it actually

does.

First of all, this applies to MUNICIPAL employees only...so if they put in EMS,

it would only apply to municipal EMS systems, not private, volunteer, or other

providers.

Secondly, many FD's provide EMS such as the largest FD/EMS agency in the state

in this Representatives district. These FD based EMS's do not talk about EMS

being provided by other means...so their legislators believe they have included

EMS in legislation such as this because all of the EMS people they are familiar

with are firefighters.

Lastly, this bill does NOTHING except tell cities to take one of their existing

holidays and for firefighters and police officers, make it 9/11 instead of

Columbus Day or the day after Thanksgiving or any of the other holidays they

currently have. Read it, it says that FD and PD folks shall be given the same

number of paid holidays as all other municipal employees AND one of those days

must be 9/11. So, if your municipal FD currently gets 10 paid holidays a year

and that is equal to the other municipal employees (public works, water

department, finance, etc) then one of those 10 days must be moved to 9/11.

Right, wrong or indifferent, each time we work to include EMS specifically in a

law like this, it starts to get really really confusing because of the diversity

of delivery mode

ls EMS is provided in across the State.

Dudley

Re: Texas Legislature Online - 81® History for HB 2113

There were several EMS providers killed at the WTC. Does this mean that EMS

providers will not be afforded the same benefits from this bill as

firefighters and police officers? I think this is a slap in the face to EMS

providers and I don¹t mean to take away from the tragedy of 9/11‹it¹s just

typical of how government views EMS (out of sight, out of mind).

On 8/31/09 9:17 PM, " maxifire@... "

maxifire@... > wrote:

>

>

>

>

>

> AN ACT

> relating to the holidays for members of fire and police departments in

> certain municipalities.

> BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS:

> SECTION 1. Section 142.0013©, Local Government Code, is amended to read

> as follows:

> © A fire fighter [and a police officer] shall be granted the same

> number of vacation days and holidays, or days in lieu of vacation days or

> holidays, granted to other municipal employees, at least one of which shall

> be

> designated as September 11th.

> SECTION 2. Section 142.0013, Local Government Code, is amended by adding

> Subsection (d) to read as follows:

> (d) A police officer shall be granted the same number of vacation days

> and holidays, or days in lieu of vacation days or holida

ys, granted to other

> municipal employees.

> SECTION 3. This Act takes effect September 1, 2009.

>

>

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What about D Day or the day Pearl Harbor was bombed. This is not about Sept.

11th and the terrible thing that occurred. Its about real heroes, not groups of

people being a hero by association of their job. It waters down the term of

hero. I think that all the fireman that gave up their lives that day were

performing in a heroic manner and doing their job.

Henry

Re: Texas Legislature Online - 81® History for HB 2113

There were several EMS providers killed at the WTC. Does this mean that EMS

providers will not be afforded the same benefits from this bill as

firefighters and police officers? I think this is a slap in the face to EMS

providers and I don¹t mean to take away from the tragedy of 9/11‹it¹s just

typical of how government views EMS (out of sight, out of mind).

On 8/31/09 9:17 PM, " maxifire@... "

maxifire@... > wrote:

>

>

>

>

>

> AN ACT

> relating to the holidays for members of fire and police departments in

> certain municipalities.

> BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS:

> SECTION 1. Section 142.0013©, Local Government Code, is amended to read

> as follows:

> © A fire fighter [and a police officer] shall be granted the same

> number of vacation days and holidays, or days in lieu of vacation days or

> holidays, granted to other municipal employees, at least one of which shall

> be

> designated as September 11th.

> SECTION 2. Section 142.0013, Local Government Code, is amended by adding

> Subsection (d) to read as follows:

> (d) A police officer shall be granted the same number of vacation days

> and holidays, or days in lieu of vacation days or holida

ys, granted to other

> municipal employees.

> SECTION 3. This Act takes effect September 1, 2009.

>

>

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What about D Day or the day Pearl Harbor was bombed. This is not about Sept.

11th and the terrible thing that occurred. Its about real heroes, not groups of

people being a hero by association of their job. It waters down the term of

hero. I think that all the fireman that gave up their lives that day were

performing in a heroic manner and doing their job.

Henry

Re: Texas Legislature Online - 81® History for HB 2113

There were several EMS providers killed at the WTC. Does this mean that EMS

providers will not be afforded the same benefits from this bill as

firefighters and police officers? I think this is a slap in the face to EMS

providers and I don¹t mean to take away from the tragedy of 9/11‹it¹s just

typical of how government views EMS (out of sight, out of mind).

On 8/31/09 9:17 PM, " maxifire@... "

maxifire@... > wrote:

>

>

>

>

>

> AN ACT

> relating to the holidays for members of fire and police departments in

> certain municipalities.

> BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS:

> SECTION 1. Section 142.0013©, Local Government Code, is amended to read

> as follows:

> © A fire fighter [and a police officer] shall be granted the same

> number of vacation days and holidays, or days in lieu of vacation days or

> holidays, granted to other municipal employees, at least one of which shall

> be

> designated as September 11th.

> SECTION 2. Section 142.0013, Local Government Code, is amended by adding

> Subsection (d) to read as follows:

> (d) A police officer shall be granted the same number of vacation days

> and holidays, or days in lieu of vacation days or holida

ys, granted to other

> municipal employees.

> SECTION 3. This Act takes effect September 1, 2009.

>

>

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As usual I have been scanning all the remarks going back and forth about a

subject on this listserve.  And I usually don't respond but I think I've had

enough.  Making September 11 a holiday focusing on firefighters calls for one

word,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Stupid. 

 

Now while you’re getting out the gas cans and matches, or for those of you

more sophisticated your hair spray and lighters so you can turn me into a crispy

critter read on first and you may even agree with some of my points. 

 

Like a lot of us, I was on the sidelines watching the news and working to get my

agency ready for a response should something happen around here.  I was wishing

I was back home in Jersey living across the river from the city and my parents

were thankful I was in Texas because they knew if I was still living home I

would be across the river knee deep in the hoopla in a heartbeat.  I did put my

name on every list imaginable to go there to help, and am very sorry to say like

many others, I wasn't called.

 

I lost friends in the towers and on the ground, some were kids I graduated with

and some were kids from the old neighborhood that worked there as stock

brokers, financiers, lawyers, some were PAPD, some were FDNY. 

 

FDNY lost 343 brother firefighters. I do say brothers speaking not only as a

retired firefighter (CFD-21 years), but as someone who was standing in Station 6

in Greenwich Village on September 10, 2002 getting real teary-eyed with those

brothers and hugging them after I presented them with a handmade memorial from

their brothers in Carthage, TX.  Those at the station didn't care or have to

remember what my first or last name was, we called each other the same,

" brother " .  A name I don't hear being said too often among firefighters here,

unfortunately.

 

Yes EMS and PD lost some of their brethren too, but the loss to the WORLD was

almost 9 TIMES GREATER than the loss to FDNY, PD, and EMS combined.  Cantor

Fitzgerald alone lost 658 employees.  I was standing among over 800K others on

September 11, 2002 for the first anniversary.  There were people there from all

over the world standing and crying, hugging, and paying their respects for those

lost in the tragedy from all over the world INCLUDING fire, police, and EMS. 

Who you were or what if any affiliation you had didn't matter.  At times a lot

of us prayed together, joined hands, cried, and it is really amazing to say amen

to a prayer being said by someone holding your hand and speaking in a language

you didn't understand at all. 

 

The only way to properly honor those lost is to make it a national holiday of

remembrance as we do for Memorial Day.  Honor those killed, remember them, pray

for them and their families.  Don't ever think that this day affected

firefighters more than anyone else.  If your that narrow minded I know of some

spouses who lost loved ones that have no affiliation with any emergency agency

that can tell you quite differently and so can their kids. 

 

This year as in years past, with the exception of 9/11/2002 I will be very low

key on September 11.  Fortunately I will be off that day so I can hide from

those compelled to thank me for doing what I do, when the only reason I do what

I do is because I want too.

I don't need or want you to pay for my meal, buy me a paper, ask me questions,

shake my hand, sit across from me while I am eating or stare at me.   I only

want to be left alone. 

 

Go and get your matches and gas, I can take it, been there done that before and

still have the singed T-shirt, and grabbing for the Nomex underwear as I finish

this.  I'm not very hard to find, but in about three weeks I will be

standing  in New York for my fifth visit to Ground Zero, my wife's first

visit, so if you delay you will have to travel some.  Really I'm not too

concerned with the flames, my tears are enough to protect me.

 

Ed Brando,

Service since 69, and proud to have a few more years in me still.

>

>

>

>

>

> AN ACT

> relating to the holidays for members of fire and police departments in

> certain municipalities.

> BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS:

> SECTION 1. Section 142.0013©, Local Government Code, is amended to read

> as follows:

> © A fire fighter [and a police officer] shall be granted the same

> number of vacation days and holidays, or days in lieu of vacation days or

> holidays, granted to other municipal employees, at least one of which shall

> be

> designated as September 11th.

> SECTION 2. Section 142.0013, Local Government Code, is amended by adding

> Subsection (d) to read as follows:

> (d) A police officer shall be granted the same number of vacation days

> and holidays, or days in lieu of vacation days or holida

ys, granted to other

> municipal employees.

> SECTION 3. This Act takes effect September 1, 2009.

>

>

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As usual I have been scanning all the remarks going back and forth about a

subject on this listserve.  And I usually don't respond but I think I've had

enough.  Making September 11 a holiday focusing on firefighters calls for one

word,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Stupid. 

 

Now while you’re getting out the gas cans and matches, or for those of you

more sophisticated your hair spray and lighters so you can turn me into a crispy

critter read on first and you may even agree with some of my points. 

 

Like a lot of us, I was on the sidelines watching the news and working to get my

agency ready for a response should something happen around here.  I was wishing

I was back home in Jersey living across the river from the city and my parents

were thankful I was in Texas because they knew if I was still living home I

would be across the river knee deep in the hoopla in a heartbeat.  I did put my

name on every list imaginable to go there to help, and am very sorry to say like

many others, I wasn't called.

 

I lost friends in the towers and on the ground, some were kids I graduated with

and some were kids from the old neighborhood that worked there as stock

brokers, financiers, lawyers, some were PAPD, some were FDNY. 

 

FDNY lost 343 brother firefighters. I do say brothers speaking not only as a

retired firefighter (CFD-21 years), but as someone who was standing in Station 6

in Greenwich Village on September 10, 2002 getting real teary-eyed with those

brothers and hugging them after I presented them with a handmade memorial from

their brothers in Carthage, TX.  Those at the station didn't care or have to

remember what my first or last name was, we called each other the same,

" brother " .  A name I don't hear being said too often among firefighters here,

unfortunately.

 

Yes EMS and PD lost some of their brethren too, but the loss to the WORLD was

almost 9 TIMES GREATER than the loss to FDNY, PD, and EMS combined.  Cantor

Fitzgerald alone lost 658 employees.  I was standing among over 800K others on

September 11, 2002 for the first anniversary.  There were people there from all

over the world standing and crying, hugging, and paying their respects for those

lost in the tragedy from all over the world INCLUDING fire, police, and EMS. 

Who you were or what if any affiliation you had didn't matter.  At times a lot

of us prayed together, joined hands, cried, and it is really amazing to say amen

to a prayer being said by someone holding your hand and speaking in a language

you didn't understand at all. 

 

The only way to properly honor those lost is to make it a national holiday of

remembrance as we do for Memorial Day.  Honor those killed, remember them, pray

for them and their families.  Don't ever think that this day affected

firefighters more than anyone else.  If your that narrow minded I know of some

spouses who lost loved ones that have no affiliation with any emergency agency

that can tell you quite differently and so can their kids. 

 

This year as in years past, with the exception of 9/11/2002 I will be very low

key on September 11.  Fortunately I will be off that day so I can hide from

those compelled to thank me for doing what I do, when the only reason I do what

I do is because I want too.

I don't need or want you to pay for my meal, buy me a paper, ask me questions,

shake my hand, sit across from me while I am eating or stare at me.   I only

want to be left alone. 

 

Go and get your matches and gas, I can take it, been there done that before and

still have the singed T-shirt, and grabbing for the Nomex underwear as I finish

this.  I'm not very hard to find, but in about three weeks I will be

standing  in New York for my fifth visit to Ground Zero, my wife's first

visit, so if you delay you will have to travel some.  Really I'm not too

concerned with the flames, my tears are enough to protect me.

 

Ed Brando,

Service since 69, and proud to have a few more years in me still.

>

>

>

>

>

> AN ACT

> relating to the holidays for members of fire and police departments in

> certain municipalities.

> BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS:

> SECTION 1. Section 142.0013©, Local Government Code, is amended to read

> as follows:

> © A fire fighter [and a police officer] shall be granted the same

> number of vacation days and holidays, or days in lieu of vacation days or

> holidays, granted to other municipal employees, at least one of which shall

> be

> designated as September 11th.

> SECTION 2. Section 142.0013, Local Government Code, is amended by adding

> Subsection (d) to read as follows:

> (d) A police officer shall be granted the same number of vacation days

> and holidays, or days in lieu of vacation days or holida

ys, granted to other

> municipal employees.

> SECTION 3. This Act takes effect September 1, 2009.

>

>

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