Re: Excessive Salivation/Supplements - Dave

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Sadly, dry eye & salivation preceded my taking supplements for a number of

years, but if you see something here that might be contributing, do tell! I've

included Rx's.

Hormones/hormonal issues:

Allora estrogen patch Rx

Cytomel Rx

Compounded Progesterone Rx

DHEA (or compounded testosterone Rx and 7-Keto DHEA,

which is better)

Ioderal

Inderol 3 Carbonyl or DIM

Adrenal Support formula (B vitamins)

Pregnenalone

Isocort (recently added/trial)

Digestive:

Oxycleanse

Digestive Enzymes

Probiotics

Ginger (occasional)

Yeast Control formula (occasional) w/caprylic acid, grapefruit seed extract)

Amino Acids:

Taurine

Glutamine

Lysine

Trialing Carnitine & Carnosine

Immune/Antioxidant/Anti-inflammatory, etc.:

Co-Q10

Magnesium (Glycinate)

Calcium (Citrate?)

Omega Oils: Cod Liver pm, Flax & Borage am

N-Acetyl Cysteine

Milk Thistle (on and off)

Glucosamine/Chondroitin

Neurotransmitter support:

Phosphatidyl Serine (recent addition) and/or Lecithin

DMAE (recently started on days not taking Adderall)

Adderall Rx (improves level of alertness/wakefulness, focus/concentration,

metabolic rate, muscular pain, utilization of thyroid hormone)

5 HTP (aids sound sleep)

Valerian/Passionflower blend (aids sound sleep)

Inositol

Heavy Metal Detox:

C, E, Zinc, Selenium

DMSA (started late January)

ALA - low daily dose trialed on & off several years

General:

Kirkman Spectrum Complete (I've worked out balancing

this with other supplements)

Organic, whole food diet, processed foods are very minimal

These are quite well tuned to what works for me. I've been working with

supplements since starting to see nutritionists about 5 years ago. I would like

nothing more than to dump all of them, but don't want to deal with the symptoms

they improve.

Joanne

cfrischlin fonzer> wrote:

Joanne, do you take any supplements?

I never had much of an issue with excess saliva (though i've had

various bouts with dry eyes).

After awhile on the chelation therapy, and tweaking various

supplements, i started salivating so much, i was worried that the

government would think i had rabies and thus quarantine me!

I started lowering certain supplements that seemed like possibilities

(ones that affect the nervous system for instance), and was able to do

away with this troublesome frothing at the mouth i was experiencing.

so, if you are taking supplements, would you mind posting them?

dave

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Sadly, dry eye & salivation preceded my taking supplements for a number of

years, but if you see something here that might be contributing, do tell! I've

included Rx's.

Hormones/hormonal issues:

Allora estrogen patch Rx

Cytomel Rx

Compounded Progesterone Rx

DHEA (or compounded testosterone Rx and 7-Keto DHEA,

which is better)

Ioderal

Inderol 3 Carbonyl or DIM

Adrenal Support formula (B vitamins)

Pregnenalone

Isocort (recently added/trial)

Digestive:

Oxycleanse

Digestive Enzymes

Probiotics

Ginger (occasional)

Yeast Control formula (occasional) w/caprylic acid, grapefruit seed extract)

Amino Acids:

Taurine

Glutamine

Lysine

Trialing Carnitine & Carnosine

Immune/Antioxidant/Anti-inflammatory, etc.:

Co-Q10

Magnesium (Glycinate)

Calcium (Citrate?)

Omega Oils: Cod Liver pm, Flax & Borage am

N-Acetyl Cysteine

Milk Thistle (on and off)

Glucosamine/Chondroitin

Neurotransmitter support:

Phosphatidyl Serine (recent addition) and/or Lecithin

DMAE (recently started on days not taking Adderall)

Adderall Rx (improves level of alertness/wakefulness, focus/concentration,

metabolic rate, muscular pain, utilization of thyroid hormone)

5 HTP (aids sound sleep)

Valerian/Passionflower blend (aids sound sleep)

Inositol

Heavy Metal Detox:

C, E, Zinc, Selenium

DMSA (started late January)

ALA - low daily dose trialed on & off several years

General:

Kirkman Spectrum Complete (I've worked out balancing

this with other supplements)

Organic, whole food diet, processed foods are very minimal

These are quite well tuned to what works for me. I've been working with

supplements since starting to see nutritionists about 5 years ago. I would like

nothing more than to dump all of them, but don't want to deal with the symptoms

they improve.

Joanne

cfrischlin fonzer> wrote:

Joanne, do you take any supplements?

I never had much of an issue with excess saliva (though i've had

various bouts with dry eyes).

After awhile on the chelation therapy, and tweaking various

supplements, i started salivating so much, i was worried that the

government would think i had rabies and thus quarantine me!

I started lowering certain supplements that seemed like possibilities

(ones that affect the nervous system for instance), and was able to do

away with this troublesome frothing at the mouth i was experiencing.

so, if you are taking supplements, would you mind posting them?

dave

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One this that jumps out is you are taking Phosphatyl Serine (PS) that is an ACTH

dampener - meaning it causes you to release less cortisol. Then at the same time

you are taking supplements to increase cortisol.

PS can be used in initial stages of adrenal fatigue when you have high cortisol

eg late at night that keeps you awake.

But you would need to know from a Saliva test when you are low and when you are

high so you can co-odindate dosing properly. E.g. you might need cortisol in the

morning and PS at night.

Some people have high cortisol some times of the day and low cortisol others.

Good heavens that is a lot of supplements. Maybe if you get your adrenals healed

many other symptoms will vanish and some supplements can vanish too! I've got a

mini health shop in my house.

I'm more and more coming to the conclusion that if your adrenals are in trouble

so are you. They produce the only hormone essential to health, cortisol, and yet

doctors know nothing about them. Doctors jump for cortisol (in various forms)

when someone is in real trouble to supplement adrenal function, but ask them

what they are doing and they are adamant it has nothing to do with the adrenals.

It really infuriates me, the arrogance of medical doctors is astounding.

Dean

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One this that jumps out is you are taking Phosphatyl Serine (PS) that is an ACTH

dampener - meaning it causes you to release less cortisol. Then at the same time

you are taking supplements to increase cortisol.

PS can be used in initial stages of adrenal fatigue when you have high cortisol

eg late at night that keeps you awake.

But you would need to know from a Saliva test when you are low and when you are

high so you can co-odindate dosing properly. E.g. you might need cortisol in the

morning and PS at night.

Some people have high cortisol some times of the day and low cortisol others.

Good heavens that is a lot of supplements. Maybe if you get your adrenals healed

many other symptoms will vanish and some supplements can vanish too! I've got a

mini health shop in my house.

I'm more and more coming to the conclusion that if your adrenals are in trouble

so are you. They produce the only hormone essential to health, cortisol, and yet

doctors know nothing about them. Doctors jump for cortisol (in various forms)

when someone is in real trouble to supplement adrenal function, but ask them

what they are doing and they are adamant it has nothing to do with the adrenals.

It really infuriates me, the arrogance of medical doctors is astounding.

Dean

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that's alot of stuff!

i was able to eliminate my excess salivation by reducing things that

have an excitory effect. for instance, with me, i cut out tyrosine

when i looked up food sources for tyrosine and found that i routinely

ate the 6 foods that are pretty much the highest source of this amino

acid. since i had only been taking tyrosine for a couple of months,

it occurred to me, finally (i searched these groups and asked the

same questions you did), that maybe i was taking too much of

something.

from what i'm seeing in your list i have two comments. first, the

adderrall would seem to be the most likely culprit for you, as that

seems to be the one you've described that has a stimulating effect.

excess salivation can easily be caused by a nervous system issue, so

i would try eliminating that for a week just to see what happens.

then again, i have no experience with that drug, and i cant say

whether or not it's considered 'safe' to stop that drug cold turkey.

the other thing is, i noticed you take lipoic acid. you should only

take that as part of your chelation regiment, and otherwise you

should avoid everything that contains it.

if you decide to experiment with that adderrall, let us know what

happens!

> Joanne, do you take any supplements?

>

> I never had much of an issue with excess saliva (though i've had

> various bouts with dry eyes).

>

> After awhile on the chelation therapy, and tweaking various

> supplements, i started salivating so much, i was worried that the

> government would think i had rabies and thus quarantine me!

>

> I started lowering certain supplements that seemed like

possibilities

> (ones that affect the nervous system for instance), and was able to

do

> away with this troublesome frothing at the mouth i was experiencing.

>

> so, if you are taking supplements, would you mind posting them?

>

> dave

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Adderall is actually drying & leads to a dry mouth. My dose is so low it really

doesn't do much to counter this, although at a slightly higher dose it does.

I definitely hear you on the ALA & dropped any further daily dose trials

around the end of the year. I'll also investigate tyrosine-containing foods.

Thanks.

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