Re: Anxiety

[Guest guest]

Irene - and the person who asked about Xanax. It saved my life. I was

going down for the count suffering from waves and waves of panic attacks. I

wanted to be " dead " believe me.

However - I've seen people take too large doses of this and become

" zombies. " And - as we've all said a lot - medicines affect all of us

differently. Long term use of xanax isn't recommended. But I'm sure glad

it was there for me - when I was in emotional and physical agony!

None of us want to walk around groggy - like a zombie! I'm sure you made

the right call for you, Irene! Marsha

> What about Xanax? Anyone here take Xanax? I think I need something for

> >

> > anxiety...

> >

> I took Xanax for a while after my tinnitus diagnoses. It helped some

folks

> to have relief from tinnitus. It made me in to a zombie. I was never

really

> awake while taking it and I just did not feel good on it. But once again,

a

> medication that does not suit one person my help another. Only you and

your

> doctor can determine that.

>

> Take care,

> Irene

[Guest guest]

--- patidu@... wrote:

> What about Xanax? Anyone here take Xanax? I

> think I need something for

> >

> > anxiety...

> >

> I took Xanax for a while after my tinnitus

> diagnoses. It helped some folks

> to have relief from tinnitus. It made me in to

> a zombie. I was never really

> awake while taking it and I just did not feel

> good on it. But once again, a

> medication that does not suit one person my

> help another. Only you and your

> doctor can determine that.

>

> Take care,

> Irene

>

> Books may well be the only true magic

> Alice Hoffman.

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

Hi Irene,

That sort of sounds like your doctor thought the

tinitus was caused by stress/anxiety, thus the

Xanax. Is that another stress/anxiety/unknown

cause/dump it here on us kind of 'condition?'

Joanne

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[Guest guest]

That sort of sounds like your doctor thought the

tinnitus was caused by stress/anxiety, thus the

Xanax. Is that another stress/anxiety/unknown

cause/dump it here on us kind of 'condition?'

No, tinnitus is not a condition associated with fibro. It manages to arrive

on its own because of different causes. I got mine from taking Relefen for

arthritis. I will not take NSAIDS drugs for anything. Tinnitus can be

caused by a number of things. Loud noises over a long period can do it. The

kids of today are all going to lose their hearing or have tinnitus because of

the way the play their music. Also a tumor on a nerve in your ear can cause

it but this is rare.

I have noticed, however, that there are some on this list that do have

tinnitus that came with their fibro. I am a telephone support person for the

American Tinnitus Association and I find that people have it from many

different things. Look at a rock band sometime. In most of them you will

see that they have ear plugs on and those that you cannot see more than

likely have the ones that go into the ear and are not visible from the

outside. The expensive kind. I do have earplugs made for me and I take them

with me at all time.

Take care,

Irene

Books may well be the only true magic

Alice Hoffman.

[Guest guest]

That sort of sounds like your doctor thought the

tinnitus was caused by stress/anxiety, thus the

Xanax. Is that another stress/anxiety/unknown

cause/dump it here on us kind of 'condition?'

No, tinnitus is not a condition associated with fibro. It manages to arrive

on its own because of different causes. I got mine from taking Relefen for

arthritis. I will not take NSAIDS drugs for anything. Tinnitus can be

caused by a number of things. Loud noises over a long period can do it. The

kids of today are all going to lose their hearing or have tinnitus because of

the way the play their music. Also a tumor on a nerve in your ear can cause

it but this is rare.

I have noticed, however, that there are some on this list that do have

tinnitus that came with their fibro. I am a telephone support person for the

American Tinnitus Association and I find that people have it from many

different things. Look at a rock band sometime. In most of them you will

see that they have ear plugs on and those that you cannot see more than

likely have the ones that go into the ear and are not visible from the

outside. The expensive kind. I do have earplugs made for me and I take them

with me at all time.

Take care,

Irene

Books may well be the only true magic

Alice Hoffman.

[Guest guest]

That sort of sounds like your doctor thought the

tinnitus was caused by stress/anxiety, thus the

Xanax. Is that another stress/anxiety/unknown

cause/dump it here on us kind of 'condition?'

No, tinnitus is not a condition associated with fibro. It manages to arrive

on its own because of different causes. I got mine from taking Relefen for

arthritis. I will not take NSAIDS drugs for anything. Tinnitus can be

caused by a number of things. Loud noises over a long period can do it. The

kids of today are all going to lose their hearing or have tinnitus because of

the way the play their music. Also a tumor on a nerve in your ear can cause

it but this is rare.

I have noticed, however, that there are some on this list that do have

tinnitus that came with their fibro. I am a telephone support person for the

American Tinnitus Association and I find that people have it from many

different things. Look at a rock band sometime. In most of them you will

see that they have ear plugs on and those that you cannot see more than

likely have the ones that go into the ear and are not visible from the

outside. The expensive kind. I do have earplugs made for me and I take them

with me at all time.

Take care,

Irene

Books may well be the only true magic

Alice Hoffman.

[Guest guest]

I am now 5 weeks and experienced major panick attacks too the first two to 3

weeks after surgery. I used a med called here in Canada Ativan each time and

that helped calm me down and I also used relaxation tapes or CDs and breathing

deeply. My sleep was extremely disturbed until a couple of days ago where I

started to sleep a bit more. So here is some hope: it is much better now and I

don't have panick attacks anymore just some anxiety at times. The trauma to the

body is big and some of us react with anxiety.

take care

Sunita

R BHR Jan 6, 04 De Smet

anxiety

Hi, Folks. I am now 9 days post-op from resurf in S.C. The surgery

went very well. I'm crutching around the house pretty well. A bit of

post-op pain. The biggest thing is that I have been having major

panic attacks. Can't sleep, can't eat, can't sit, stand, and feel

compelled to move as if the devil himself were after me. Withdrawal

from morphine and vicaden? Just the " insult " to my body? What the

heck? It's pretty awful. Has anyone else had this? Joyce in Kentucky

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[Guest guest]

I am now 5 weeks and experienced major panick attacks too the first two to 3

weeks after surgery. I used a med called here in Canada Ativan each time and

that helped calm me down and I also used relaxation tapes or CDs and breathing

deeply. My sleep was extremely disturbed until a couple of days ago where I

started to sleep a bit more. So here is some hope: it is much better now and I

don't have panick attacks anymore just some anxiety at times. The trauma to the

body is big and some of us react with anxiety.

take care

Sunita

R BHR Jan 6, 04 De Smet

anxiety

Hi, Folks. I am now 9 days post-op from resurf in S.C. The surgery

went very well. I'm crutching around the house pretty well. A bit of

post-op pain. The biggest thing is that I have been having major

panic attacks. Can't sleep, can't eat, can't sit, stand, and feel

compelled to move as if the devil himself were after me. Withdrawal

from morphine and vicaden? Just the " insult " to my body? What the

heck? It's pretty awful. Has anyone else had this? Joyce in Kentucky

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[Guest guest]

Well, I certainly had major bouts of apprehension post-op (did it work?

will it really get better? will it dislocate if I sneeze?) This is normal,

especially considering how life-altering this will be and all those nasty

cocktails your doctor has been giving you.

However, I would certainly mention it to him asap. Many years ago after I

had knee surgery, they sent me home from the hospital with a prescription

for Tylenol IV (the ones with codeine). I took the first dose and after

half an hour was climbing the walls and -- I swear -- hearing jet aircraft,

brass bands, you name it. I called him and he said that this was probably

due to an allergy that I didn't know about. He had me invite a friend over

to watch for signs of anaphylactic (sp?) shock. Gave me a chance to crank

up all my old heavy metal albums to drown out the noises I was hearing.

Spooky I says it was, darn spooky... After 4 or 5 hours I was back to

normal. The point is that, yes, you can end up with some really weird side

effects. Better safe than sorry.

Cheers,

Jeff

==================

Q: What's the difference between fiction and reality?

A: " Fiction has to make sense. "

-- Tom Clancey, author

>Hi, Folks. I am now 9 days post-op from resurf in S.C. The surgery

>went very well. I'm crutching around the house pretty well. A bit of

>post-op pain. The biggest thing is that I have been having major

>panic attacks. Can't sleep, can't eat, can't sit, stand, and feel

>compelled to move as if the devil himself were after me. Withdrawal

>from morphine and vicaden? Just the " insult " to my body? What the

>heck? It's pretty awful. Has anyone else had this? Joyce in Kentucky

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Joyce

I do sympathise with you. It is very scarey at the time.

I had increasing anxiety and then panic attacks from day 3 through 6

weeks. It turned out to be the painkillers I was taking (to keep

control of the yet-to-be-operated side). They were morphine based and

it appears (it is now 9 months post op - so hindsight is a great

thing) that I may be alergic to morphine.

You could be suffering a reaction to the op and the post-op morphine

(?) or to pills you are taking. I suggest you go to your GP or OS. I

didn't, took them for many weeks and have suffered longer term

problems.

I don't wish to be scarey - but I learned a big lesson to question

every pill!!

Best wishes

ine

> Hi, Folks. I am now 9 days post-op from resurf in S.C. The surgery

> went very well. I'm crutching around the house pretty well. A bit

of

> post-op pain. The biggest thing is that I have been having major

> panic attacks. Can't sleep, can't eat, can't sit, stand, and feel

> compelled to move as if the devil himself were after me. Withdrawal

> from morphine and vicaden? Just the " insult " to my body? What the

> heck? It's pretty awful. Has anyone else had this? Joyce in

Kentucky

[Guest guest]

Hi Joyce

I do sympathise with you. It is very scarey at the time.

I had increasing anxiety and then panic attacks from day 3 through 6

weeks. It turned out to be the painkillers I was taking (to keep

control of the yet-to-be-operated side). They were morphine based and

it appears (it is now 9 months post op - so hindsight is a great

thing) that I may be alergic to morphine.

You could be suffering a reaction to the op and the post-op morphine

(?) or to pills you are taking. I suggest you go to your GP or OS. I

didn't, took them for many weeks and have suffered longer term

problems.

I don't wish to be scarey - but I learned a big lesson to question

every pill!!

Best wishes

ine

> Hi, Folks. I am now 9 days post-op from resurf in S.C. The surgery

> went very well. I'm crutching around the house pretty well. A bit

of

> post-op pain. The biggest thing is that I have been having major

> panic attacks. Can't sleep, can't eat, can't sit, stand, and feel

> compelled to move as if the devil himself were after me. Withdrawal

> from morphine and vicaden? Just the " insult " to my body? What the

> heck? It's pretty awful. Has anyone else had this? Joyce in

Kentucky

[Guest guest]

Hi Joyce

I do sympathise with you. It is very scarey at the time.

I had increasing anxiety and then panic attacks from day 3 through 6

weeks. It turned out to be the painkillers I was taking (to keep

control of the yet-to-be-operated side). They were morphine based and

it appears (it is now 9 months post op - so hindsight is a great

thing) that I may be alergic to morphine.

You could be suffering a reaction to the op and the post-op morphine

(?) or to pills you are taking. I suggest you go to your GP or OS. I

didn't, took them for many weeks and have suffered longer term

problems.

I don't wish to be scarey - but I learned a big lesson to question

every pill!!

Best wishes

ine

> Hi, Folks. I am now 9 days post-op from resurf in S.C. The surgery

> went very well. I'm crutching around the house pretty well. A bit

of

> post-op pain. The biggest thing is that I have been having major

> panic attacks. Can't sleep, can't eat, can't sit, stand, and feel

> compelled to move as if the devil himself were after me. Withdrawal

> from morphine and vicaden? Just the " insult " to my body? What the

> heck? It's pretty awful. Has anyone else had this? Joyce in

Kentucky

[Guest guest]

>

> I HAVE MERCURY POISONING AND ADRENAL PROBLEMS. DOES ANYONE GET PANIC

> ATTACKS, ANXIETY AND HEART POUNDING AND WHAT CAN BE DONE UNTIL MERCURY

> IS REMOVED?

>

> bARBARA

>

Make sure adrenals are supported. Manage hypoglycemia with diet

and supplements.

Take enough magnesium. Try taurine. Try GABA.

Consider benzodiazepines like klonopin, xanax, buspar.

There are many things to try and not all will work for everyone.

I think the above are the best places to start. The supps and drugs

won't help much unless your adrenals are supported.

--

[Guest guest]

if you can't compound how bout 5 HTP or l tyrptophan??

eileen

>

> My acupuncturist wants me to take SAM-e for anxiety for short term use.

> I am doing much much better but am still struggling. This may be due to rapid

Prednisone withdrawal. My pain doc and GI are pretty much in agreement about

this.

>

> Here is the info about SAM-e.

>

> Does anyone treat anxiety with SAM-e?

>

> http://www.minddisorders.com/Py-Z/SAMe.html

>

> Here are the ingredients;

>

> http://www.smartbomb.com/jfsamebx.html

>

> Full of illegals. I might get it compounded just wondering in the short term

if

> it is worth it.

>

> Thanks!

>

> Jodi

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Jodi--

My first impression after reading your link is that SAM-e is used for depression. You stated you have anxiety, most likely prednisone induced. Depression and anxiety are two different animals and are treated differently. If this anxiety is considered short term and is to help you through the pred taper, you might be better served with an anti-anxiety med like Zanax, which has a very short half life, (7 hours), you can medicate when you feel anxious and discontinue when you're not. You don't have to wait for a build-up ( SAM-e takes 2 weeks to kick-in it states). It also has illegals in it as well, but in my humble opinion it works.You can look into compounding it as well. It is slightly sedating, but not when you are really anxious. It also depends on the dose--you can start very small, say, 0.125 mg and double if you feel it is not controlling your anxiety. I just don't feel the SAM-e is going to help you. If you are depressed, this is a different story. You have to determine that. But prednisone does cause anxiety.

I have used the Zanax when I went through an extreme anxiety provoking personal event a few years ago. It allowed me to be able to focus on my work and take care of my children instead of curling up into a ball in my bed all day. I never thought I would ever have to take an anti- anxiety drug, but I was sure grateful for it. As soon as the situation resolved, I discontinued the medication without any ill effects.

Best of luck,

Terry

Anxiety

My acupuncturist wants me to take SAM-e for anxiety for short term use.I am doing much much better but am still struggling. This may be due to rapid Prednisone withdrawal. My pain doc and GI are pretty much in agreement about this.Here is the info about SAM-e.Does anyone treat anxiety with SAM-e?http://www.minddisorders.com/Py-Z/SAMe.htmlHere are the ingredients;http://www.smartbomb.com/jfsamebx.htmlFull of illegals. I might get it compounded just wondering in the short term ifit is worth it.Thanks!Jodi

[Guest guest]

5HTP and L-tryptophan are all theoretically used for depression, by increasing serotonin at the synaptic junctions in the brain.

Terry

Re: Anxiety

if you can't compound how bout 5 HTP or l tyrptophan??eileen>> My acupuncturist wants me to take SAM-e for anxiety for short term use.> I am doing much much better but am still struggling. This may be due to rapid Prednisone withdrawal. My pain doc and GI are pretty much in agreement about this.> > Here is the info about SAM-e.> > Does anyone treat anxiety with SAM-e?> > http://www.minddisorders.com/Py-Z/SAMe.html> > Here are the ingredients;> > http://www.smartbomb.com/jfsamebx.html> > Full of illegals. I might get it compounded just wondering in the short term if> it is worth it.> > Thanks!> > Jodi>

[Guest guest]

5HTP and L-tryptophan are all theoretically used for depression, by increasing serotonin at the synaptic junctions in the brain.

Terry

Re: Anxiety

if you can't compound how bout 5 HTP or l tyrptophan??eileen>> My acupuncturist wants me to take SAM-e for anxiety for short term use.> I am doing much much better but am still struggling. This may be due to rapid Prednisone withdrawal. My pain doc and GI are pretty much in agreement about this.> > Here is the info about SAM-e.> > Does anyone treat anxiety with SAM-e?> > http://www.minddisorders.com/Py-Z/SAMe.html> > Here are the ingredients;> > http://www.smartbomb.com/jfsamebx.html> > Full of illegals. I might get it compounded just wondering in the short term if> it is worth it.> > Thanks!> > Jodi>

[Guest guest]

Hi Jodi,

I'm sorry you're experiencing anxiety. It's an awful feeling! I would

recommend you see your doctor and get a referral to a psychiatrist. They are

the only doctors truly qualified to assess and prescribe medicine for these

sorts of symptoms. At the very least, if you want to try an

herbal/non-pharmaceutical medicine, I would discuss this with your doctors to

ensure that they are comfortable with you taking it, in terms of its potential

effects on your body and potential interactions with your other meds.

Please feel free to ask more questions. Again, I'm sorry your " fight or flight "

brain mechanism is overactive right now. It's a crappy feeling.

>

> My acupuncturist wants me to take SAM-e for anxiety for short term use.

> I am doing much much better but am still struggling. This may be due to rapid

Prednisone withdrawal. My pain doc and GI are pretty much in agreement about

this.

>

> Here is the info about SAM-e.

>

> Does anyone treat anxiety with SAM-e?

>

> http://www.minddisorders.com/Py-Z/SAMe.html

>

> Here are the ingredients;

>

> http://www.smartbomb.com/jfsamebx.html

>

> Full of illegals. I might get it compounded just wondering in the short term

if

> it is worth it.

>

> Thanks!

>

> Jodi

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Thanks for the concern.

I have done the psych route before. They will just throw more medication at me.

I am not sleeping which is causing anxiety.

My acupuncturist did a special session on me yesterday and I slept all night

(from 1am-7am) first time I slept all night since pre-surgery.

I am also going to do mind body work this week. I am sure with time this will

dissipate.

Jodi

[Guest guest]

Hi Terry,

Years ago when I was on long term Prednisone I did not sleep for 8-9 months. I

had a major nervous breakdown. I suffered from crippling anxiety too. I was

prescribed ativan, lorazapam, clonzapam.

I was treated with this long term.

I had a hard time getting off of it. My docs tell me I was not " addicted " but

my body got physically dependent. I don't really understand how they

differentiate between the two. Yes, I am not the kind of person that wanted to

get " high " but having shakes, increased heart beat and not being able to sleep

getting off of the stuff scared the heck out of me. One of the reasons I feared

surgery was getting off all of the medication. As I am very sensitive and meds

affect me.

My pain doc said that the way I was treated with the Prednisone meltdown was

" 1970's medicine- here take a benzo and a glass of wine "

Thank you for your support Terry!

I was wondering if you wanted to update about your health situation and if you

got all the testing done?

Also, how long did you end up taking zanax for?

If it is a while I understand people don't have a problem with it it's when it

is used long term..

Jodi

[Guest guest]

Hi Jodi--

I thought about your difficulty getting off meds after I wrote to you. I realized my suggestion may have not been a good one for you, I'm sorry.

Yes, the benzodiazepines can make you dependent with long term use and especially the ones you mentioned because they have long half lives and stay in your system for a long time. They also can cause drug induced depression with long term use. Long term use is 6 months plus.

One of the reasons I suggested Xanax is because it has such a short half life and I figured you would be using it for a few weeks to a month while you do your fast taper. For this purpose and this time period, it is not a bad choice and I don't think you would become dependent on it. Even though the way you were treated years ago may have been '1970's medicine', these drugs still have therapeutic value today and when used judiciously help many people still. Back then they didn't have the SSRI's--Prozac, Celexa, etc. These would have helped you long term back then--they are not used short term because it takes several months for them to achieve therapeutic blood levels. And that was my concern with the SAM-e. I have read there are natural anti-anxieties such as Valerian and Passion Flower. However, I can't speak as to their effectiveness. I am a huge proponent of acupuncture--it has helped me deal with many pain issues throughout the years. I am so glad you are achieving such good results with pain control and sleep induction with acupuncture. You must have good chi!

Addiction is a biological and psychological compulsive behavioral condition that causes one to seek a drug to satisfy a need for a stimulus, regardless of consequence. It interferes with normal daily life. Having the drug becomes the only thing that matters.

Physical dependence is solely a physical state that occurs because the body has adapted so much to a drug's presence that sudden removal prompts a withdrawal reaction. But many times this drug can allow you to return to normal life with pain relief or anxiety relief, etc. One must taper slowly to prevent withdrawal.

I am not a pill pusher. In fact, before I got UC and started taking Lialda daily and before I was diagnosed with breast atypical hyperplasia and had to take Tamoxifen, I was so proud that at my age, I didn't have to take a thing. It was very hard to accept that I had to take these meds. I have seen chiropractors since the 1970's and acupuncturists since the 1980's. I do believe in medicines, though--especially if used correctly and thoughtfully. I like a mix of Western and Eastern modalities. And I don't believe that all natural remedies are effective just because they are natural. I was brought up in a home with a European mother who practiced organic gardening in the 60's before it was chic to do so. We ate organic veggies and fruits every summer and fall. She breast fed us when the convention was to bottle feed. I breast fed my twins and I have an organic fruit and veggie garden. Because I have a traditional medical education, people are surprised that I explore alternative medicine and modalities. I often recommend chiropractic and acupuncture to my patients and also supplements when I do nutrition counseling. I have also recommended BTVC to several of my patients who have IBD.

I used Xanax for 10 months in 2007 from February through November. I went through a strenuous 2 year divorce...I filed for divorce in September of 2006, my mother died in November of 2006, I had the abnormal mammogram in January '07 with the abnormal biopsies and subsequent gene testing. The anxiety level was crippling, the Xanax did help. I also was worried about being dependent on it, but, when the divorce came to an end in November of '08, I just stopped using it without any discernible withdrawal. I was on a low dose and I really feel that Xanax is the least offensive in it's class of drugs for dependence. The summer of '07 I came down with the Lyme-like sackie virus which I mistakenly took massive doses of antibiotics for. I was diagnosed with UC in July of 2008. All the while trying to work and take care of my twin boys. I did take the Xanax for a few days this week as I had to go to court because my lovely ex is trying to reduce his child support after buying himself a Mercedes SUV. Aren't you glad I don't post my personal life more often?? Thanks for listening. Believe it or not, life has become more normal.

Thank you for asking about my updates!--My last mammogram in February was normal. I do not see my GI because my symptoms are controlled with Lialda and SCD. I have not run back to have a colonoscopy ( I wonder why) because I'm doing OK right now and my life is too busy running two 10 year olds around and working. I am grateful for this list and the wonderful people on it. Sorry to go so long........

Terry

Re: Anxiety

Hi Terry,Years ago when I was on long term Prednisone I did not sleep for 8-9 months. I had a major nervous breakdown. I suffered from crippling anxiety too. I was prescribed ativan, lorazapam, clonzapam.I was treated with this long term.I had a hard time getting off of it. My docs tell me I was not "addicted" but my body got physically dependent. I don't really understand how they differentiate between the two. Yes, I am not the kind of person that wanted to get "high" but having shakes, increased heart beat and not being able to sleep getting off of the stuff scared the heck out of me. One of the reasons I feared surgery was getting off all of the medication. As I am very sensitive and meds affect me.My pain doc said that the way I was treated with the Prednisone meltdown was "1970's medicine- here take a benzo and a glass of wine"Thank you for your support Terry!I was wondering if you wanted to update about your health situation and if you got all the testing done?Also, how long did you end up taking zanax for?If it is a while I understand people don't have a problem with it it's when it is used long term..Jodi

[Guest guest]

so sorry to hear - boy have you been thru it!! i know you'll be thru all this

soon - hang in !!

eileen

>

> Hi Terry,

>

> Years ago when I was on long term Prednisone I did not sleep for 8-9 months.

I had a major nervous breakdown. I suffered from crippling anxiety too. I was

prescribed ativan, lorazapam, clonzapam.

>

> I was treated with this long term.

> I had a hard time getting off of it. My docs tell me I was not " addicted " but

my body got physically dependent. I don't really understand how they

differentiate between the two. Yes, I am not the kind of person that wanted to

get " high " but having shakes, increased heart beat and not being able to sleep

getting off of the stuff scared the heck out of me. One of the reasons I feared

surgery was getting off all of the medication. As I am very sensitive and meds

affect me.

>

> My pain doc said that the way I was treated with the Prednisone meltdown was

" 1970's medicine- here take a benzo and a glass of wine "

>

> Thank you for your support Terry!

> I was wondering if you wanted to update about your health situation and if you

got all the testing done?

>

> Also, how long did you end up taking zanax for?

> If it is a while I understand people don't have a problem with it it's when it

is used long term..

>

> Jodi

>

[Guest guest]

It's also hard to tell which comes first- chicken or egg. Gut issues or anxiety-

since having to go through tests, doctor visits and so on does make you anxious.

Then they tell you to treat the anxiety. The SSRI's are being recommended now

for IBS- but did the anxiety cause the IBS or the other way around?

SSRI's are also used in some cases of autism. Kids with high functioning autism

can have improved behavior on them because they tend to treat anxiety. And the

gut is full of seretonin receptors.

This was the reasoning for my GP's advice to take Lexapro, but I could not

tolerate it at all.

PJ

> >Sometimes I wonder, with the discussion of the

> >bowel brain connection, if there is not some

> >connection with anxiety....kids with autism can

> >also be anxious as well... something to ponder...

>

> It emphatically does.

>

> ADD & ADHD run in my family. (I have a nephew who was on Ritalin for years.)

>

> As my gut issues became worse over the years, so

> did my emotional state. I often became unhinged

> about things. I understand entirely what the moms

> on http://www.pecanbread.com>www.pecanbread.com

> are talking about when they say " my kid went into

> meltdown after eating something illegal. "

>

> Christmas dinner is a bit of a trial. I usually

> have one major meltdown in the middle of

> preparing. The December after I went SCD, my mom

> was concerned over the idea of serving this weird

> SCD food to family and friends so I made parallel

> meals--the normal one and one for SCD.

>

> I made up recipes as I went along. I made up

> recipes for cranberry sauce and turkey dressing.

> I made up a recipe for pumpkin casserole, another for a pumpkin cake.

>

> After dinner, when everyone had left, Harry and I

> were sitting together. The dinner went off

> beautifully*. No meltdowns or anything. I never

> noticed. But Harry noticed and commented and then

> said, " I like SCD. It's nice to have the woman I married back. "

>

> That was the determining point: come hell or high

> water I would continue with the diet.

>

> (*What was interesting was that all the SCD food

> was eaten. The ordinary food was left.)

>

>

>

> — Marilyn

> New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

> Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

> Darn Good SCD Cook

> No Human Children

> Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

>

[Guest guest]

It's also hard to tell which comes first- chicken or egg. Gut issues or anxiety-

since having to go through tests, doctor visits and so on does make you anxious.

Then they tell you to treat the anxiety. The SSRI's are being recommended now

for IBS- but did the anxiety cause the IBS or the other way around?

SSRI's are also used in some cases of autism. Kids with high functioning autism

can have improved behavior on them because they tend to treat anxiety. And the

gut is full of seretonin receptors.

This was the reasoning for my GP's advice to take Lexapro, but I could not

tolerate it at all.

PJ

> >Sometimes I wonder, with the discussion of the

> >bowel brain connection, if there is not some

> >connection with anxiety....kids with autism can

> >also be anxious as well... something to ponder...

>

> It emphatically does.

>

> ADD & ADHD run in my family. (I have a nephew who was on Ritalin for years.)

>

> As my gut issues became worse over the years, so

> did my emotional state. I often became unhinged

> about things. I understand entirely what the moms

> on http://www.pecanbread.com>www.pecanbread.com

> are talking about when they say " my kid went into

> meltdown after eating something illegal. "

>

> Christmas dinner is a bit of a trial. I usually

> have one major meltdown in the middle of

> preparing. The December after I went SCD, my mom

> was concerned over the idea of serving this weird

> SCD food to family and friends so I made parallel

> meals--the normal one and one for SCD.

>

> I made up recipes as I went along. I made up

> recipes for cranberry sauce and turkey dressing.

> I made up a recipe for pumpkin casserole, another for a pumpkin cake.

>

> After dinner, when everyone had left, Harry and I

> were sitting together. The dinner went off

> beautifully*. No meltdowns or anything. I never

> noticed. But Harry noticed and commented and then

> said, " I like SCD. It's nice to have the woman I married back. "

>

> That was the determining point: come hell or high

> water I would continue with the diet.

>

> (*What was interesting was that all the SCD food

> was eaten. The ordinary food was left.)

>

>

>

> — Marilyn

> New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

> Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

> Darn Good SCD Cook

> No Human Children

> Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

>

[Guest guest]

It's also hard to tell which comes first- chicken or egg. Gut issues or anxiety-

since having to go through tests, doctor visits and so on does make you anxious.

Then they tell you to treat the anxiety. The SSRI's are being recommended now

for IBS- but did the anxiety cause the IBS or the other way around?

SSRI's are also used in some cases of autism. Kids with high functioning autism

can have improved behavior on them because they tend to treat anxiety. And the

gut is full of seretonin receptors.

This was the reasoning for my GP's advice to take Lexapro, but I could not

tolerate it at all.

PJ

> >Sometimes I wonder, with the discussion of the

> >bowel brain connection, if there is not some

> >connection with anxiety....kids with autism can

> >also be anxious as well... something to ponder...

>

> It emphatically does.

>

> ADD & ADHD run in my family. (I have a nephew who was on Ritalin for years.)

>

> As my gut issues became worse over the years, so

> did my emotional state. I often became unhinged

> about things. I understand entirely what the moms

> on http://www.pecanbread.com>www.pecanbread.com

> are talking about when they say " my kid went into

> meltdown after eating something illegal. "

>

> Christmas dinner is a bit of a trial. I usually

> have one major meltdown in the middle of

> preparing. The December after I went SCD, my mom

> was concerned over the idea of serving this weird

> SCD food to family and friends so I made parallel

> meals--the normal one and one for SCD.

>

> I made up recipes as I went along. I made up

> recipes for cranberry sauce and turkey dressing.

> I made up a recipe for pumpkin casserole, another for a pumpkin cake.

>

> After dinner, when everyone had left, Harry and I

> were sitting together. The dinner went off

> beautifully*. No meltdowns or anything. I never

> noticed. But Harry noticed and commented and then

> said, " I like SCD. It's nice to have the woman I married back. "

>

> That was the determining point: come hell or high

> water I would continue with the diet.

>

> (*What was interesting was that all the SCD food

> was eaten. The ordinary food was left.)

>

>

>

> — Marilyn

> New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

> Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

> Darn Good SCD Cook

> No Human Children

> Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

>

[Guest guest]

I was a very high strung and anxious kid from the time I started school. By the

time I got to junior high, I started having panic attacks. By high school, I was

miserable, anxious, and panicky throughout the school day. I had to transfer to

an independent study high school (a rarity back then) because I couldn't take

the stress anymore. But my anxiety kept getting worse, to where I would have

panic attacks in my own home.

My crohn's symptoms started at 19, and I was diagnosed at 21. As soon as my

crohn's was treated, my anxiety quickly started to dissipate. I went from being

agoraphobic one month, to going out to dinner with family the next. I was able

to start college the next term. I had about 2 years of minimal anxiety, and then

it came back full force and I had to drop out of college for awhile.

Now I take Effexor for my anxiety. I'm hoping that within a couple years of SCD,

I might be able to quit taking it.

So did a bad gut cause my anxiety problems, or did my anxiety problems help

bring on the crohn's? It's something I've wondered about.

Holly

Crohn's

SCD 12/01/08

>

> It's also hard to tell which comes first- chicken or egg. Gut issues or

anxiety- since having to go through tests, doctor visits and so on does make you

anxious. Then they tell you to treat the anxiety. The SSRI's are being

recommended now for IBS- but did the anxiety cause the IBS or the other way

around?

>

> SSRI's are also used in some cases of autism. Kids with high functioning

autism can have improved behavior on them because they tend to treat anxiety.

And the gut is full of seretonin receptors.

>

> This was the reasoning for my GP's advice to take Lexapro, but I could not

tolerate it at all.

>

> PJ

>

>