Guest guest Posted July 9, 2009 Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 I admittedly know nothing about the projects methodology, and I'm making no claims of unethical behavior. However, the practice of wrist-banding the segment of the population that wants to opt out of the study was the stated reason a resuscitation study was shut down in Dallas. If this practice is substantively different for this project I fail to see how the public will know this. _____ From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On Behalf Of Kenny Navarro Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 10:05 AM To: texasems-l Subject: [!! SPAM] Re: Study >>> It looks like the Dallas area will be doing another study in which the participants are not informed. As benign, or beneficial, as the procedure may be wrist-banding the population is a poor way to conduct their research. <<< The participants ARE informed using a process allowed by the Federal Code of Regulations and approved by an Institutional Review Board. The study is being moniroed by an independent ethics panel. UTSW is NOT violating any ethical principles of research established in the United States. You might not agree with the methodology, but that doesn't make it unethical. Kenny Navarro Dallas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2009 Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 What¹s the harm of giving people a little Premarin? I have long advocated Estrogen licks for shopping malls. I personally doubt this will pan out but it would be interesting if the subjects who received the drugs end up with a much greater affinity for show tunes than the control group. In all seriousness, the IRB consent exclusion for emergency research is tightening up. If they got it through the IRB, the study will be quite safe. BEB -- E. Bledsoe, DO, FACEP Clinical Professor of Emergency Medicine University of Nevada School of Medicine Department of Emergency Medicine University Medical Center of Southern Nevada Las Vegas, Nevada > > > > > > I admittedly know nothing about the projects methodology, and I'm making no > claims of unethical behavior. However, the practice of wrist-banding the > segment of the population that wants to opt out of the study was the stated > reason a resuscitation study was shut down in Dallas. If this practice is > substantively different for this project I fail to see how the public will > know this. > > > > _____ > > From: texasems-l > [mailto:texasems-l ] On > Behalf Of Kenny Navarro > Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 10:05 AM > To: texasems-l > Subject: [!! SPAM] Re: Study > >>>> >>> It looks like the Dallas area will be doing another study in which the > participants are not informed. As benign, or beneficial, as the procedure > may be wrist-banding the population is a poor way to conduct their research. > <<< > > The participants ARE informed using a process allowed by the Federal Code of > Regulations and approved by an Institutional Review Board. The study is > being moniroed by an independent ethics panel. UTSW is NOT violating any > ethical principles of research established in the United States. > > You might not agree with the methodology, but that doesn't make it > unethical. > > Kenny Navarro > Dallas > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2009 Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 A dear friend of mine's father was placed involuntarily in the hypertonic saline study. The resulting notification and manner there of, months later, was devastating to the family. Both of us as 25+ year veteran medics, MS degrees, and work experience in research felt this was an ethical violation. If we do embrace outcome ethics, then we must conclude the outcome of that particular study did not meet an ethical standard. The IRB needs to look at the length of time it takes to notify families their loved ones have been enrolled in a study. Free agency is a huge issue that IRBs sometimes overlook. -MH ________________________________ From: texasems-l [texasems-l ] On Behalf Of Kenny Navarro [kenneth.navarro@...] Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 10:05 AM To: texasems-l Subject: Re: Study >>> It looks like the Dallas area will be doing another study in which the participants are not informed. As benign, or beneficial, as the procedure may be wrist-banding the population is a poor way to conduct their research. <<< The participants ARE informed using a process allowed by the Federal Code of Regulations and approved by an Institutional Review Board. The study is being moniroed by an independent ethics panel. UTSW is NOT violating any ethical principles of research established in the United States. You might not agree with the methodology, but that doesn't make it unethical. Kenny Navarro Dallas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2009 Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 On a humorus note--- premarin licks in the mall--- omg--- almost better than Ativan misters eh??? **************Summer concert season is here! Find your favorite artists on tour at TourTracker.com. (http://www.tourtracker.com/?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000006) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2009 Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 Or the versed crop duster...... Bernie From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On Behalf Of misstrauma@... Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 7:02 PM To: texasems-l Subject: Re: Re: Study On a humorus note--- premarin licks in the mall--- omg--- almost better than Ativan misters eh??? **************Summer concert season is here! Find your favorite artists on tour at TourTracker.com. (http://www.tourtracker.com/?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000006) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2009 Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 I don't really understand too much of all this....but I am wondering if this will help explain the link between exposure to high levels of estrogen causing males to bang their heads against brick walls, floors, etc???? Dudley [!! SPAM] Re: Study > >>>> >>> It looks like the Dallas area will be doing another study in which the > participants are not informed. As benign, or beneficial, as the procedure > may be wrist-banding the population is a poor way to conduct their research. > <<< > > The participants ARE informed using a process allowed by the Federal Code of > Regulations and approved by an Institutional Review Board. The study is > being moniroed by an independent ethics panel. UTSW is NOT violating any > ethical principles of research established in the United States. > > You might not agree with the methodology, but that doesn't make it > unethical. > > Kenny Navarro > Dallas > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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