Guest guest Posted July 10, 2007 Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 Gold is a bit controversial because it isn't just gold -- pure gold is too soft to use as a dental material, so it's an alloy of several metals. Some holistic dentists (including mine) use Belleglass, and a cement called Holistore. These are completely metal-free, but of course are not as strong as materials containing metal. Like virtually all dental cements and composites, Holistore also contains a plasticizer called bisphenol A, which I'm not too crazy about. But you've got to put something in there, so no point going crazy about it. You won't find a perfect material -- believe me, I've tried. Dean Teeth (O/T) I got my amalgams removed a year ago and had two root canals pulled. Wouldn't you know I had to have another root canal. The dentist can put on a porcelin crown or a layer of gold and then porcelin, which is stronger. I understand gold can be OK. What should I do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2007 Report Share Posted July 10, 2007 I can attest to Belleglass. I have been having all my replacements done with it and so far it is great. My teeth feel better and even long-standing tooth sensitivities are fading. I can bite down on semi-hard things again without pain! I also had ozone treatments on each tooth worked on and that may be helping also. Bio-dentists rock. NJ > Teeth (O/T) > > > I got my amalgams removed a year ago and had two root canals pulled. > Wouldn't you know I had to have another root canal. The dentist can > put on a porcelin crown or a layer of gold and then > porcelin, which is > stronger. I understand gold can be OK. What should I do? > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 also to note that root canals themselves are toxic to the body/immune system. A dead tooth gives off toxins that get into your body. And gold is never 100 precent gold in tooth revisions. It's usually mixed with a host of other metals otherwise it would be too soft. Metals generally are a problem. My Huggins dentist doesn't do root canals at all or use any metals. In that case your option would be a metal free partial or a bridge. > > I got my amalgams removed a year ago and had two root canals pulled. > Wouldn't you know I had to have another root canal. The dentist can > put on a porcelin crown or a layer of gold and then porcelin, which is > stronger. I understand gold can be OK. What should I do? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 also to note that root canals themselves are toxic to the body/immune system. A dead tooth gives off toxins that get into your body. And gold is never 100 precent gold in tooth revisions. It's usually mixed with a host of other metals otherwise it would be too soft. Metals generally are a problem. My Huggins dentist doesn't do root canals at all or use any metals. In that case your option would be a metal free partial or a bridge. > > I got my amalgams removed a year ago and had two root canals pulled. > Wouldn't you know I had to have another root canal. The dentist can > put on a porcelin crown or a layer of gold and then porcelin, which is > stronger. I understand gold can be OK. What should I do? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 also to note that root canals themselves are toxic to the body/immune system. A dead tooth gives off toxins that get into your body. And gold is never 100 precent gold in tooth revisions. It's usually mixed with a host of other metals otherwise it would be too soft. Metals generally are a problem. My Huggins dentist doesn't do root canals at all or use any metals. In that case your option would be a metal free partial or a bridge. > > I got my amalgams removed a year ago and had two root canals pulled. > Wouldn't you know I had to have another root canal. The dentist can > put on a porcelin crown or a layer of gold and then porcelin, which is > stronger. I understand gold can be OK. What should I do? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 It's been a while since I looked into this stuff but if I recall correctly, porcelain is very bio-compatible, but somewhat fragile. That's basically the trade-off. So if you're willing to be a bit more careful, I believe pure porcelain is quite safe. Dean Teeth Thanks for the information. I found bio-identical dentists to be extremely expensive. I have had some success in arming myself with information to non bio-identical dentists and seeing if they will work with me. I will take your information and see if he is willing to use Belleglass and Holistore instead of pure porcelin. However, if that is not possible, is plain porcelin a second-best alternative? I am just trying to go in with plan A and plan B. Thanks again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 It's been a while since I looked into this stuff but if I recall correctly, porcelain is very bio-compatible, but somewhat fragile. That's basically the trade-off. So if you're willing to be a bit more careful, I believe pure porcelain is quite safe. Dean Teeth Thanks for the information. I found bio-identical dentists to be extremely expensive. I have had some success in arming myself with information to non bio-identical dentists and seeing if they will work with me. I will take your information and see if he is willing to use Belleglass and Holistore instead of pure porcelin. However, if that is not possible, is plain porcelin a second-best alternative? I am just trying to go in with plan A and plan B. Thanks again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 It's been a while since I looked into this stuff but if I recall correctly, porcelain is very bio-compatible, but somewhat fragile. That's basically the trade-off. So if you're willing to be a bit more careful, I believe pure porcelain is quite safe. Dean Teeth Thanks for the information. I found bio-identical dentists to be extremely expensive. I have had some success in arming myself with information to non bio-identical dentists and seeing if they will work with me. I will take your information and see if he is willing to use Belleglass and Holistore instead of pure porcelin. However, if that is not possible, is plain porcelin a second-best alternative? I am just trying to go in with plan A and plan B. Thanks again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 When my bio-dentist was considering pure porcelain, without a metal base, I asked him, because I'd heard it was weak for molars. He said the 'porcelain' he uses is more properly called a 'ceramic', and has held up very well in his practice. But, it would be best to give up things like hard pretzels, chewing on ice, etc, which could break even regular teeth, as a precaution. Makes sense. I went with Belleglass because it doesn't contain aluminum, and even 'pure' porcelain contains some aluminum, and I am toxic for aluminum. For a lab-baked crown, it probably doesn't leak much aluminum, but I wanted to be careful, as I am replacing a lot of fillings. Also, my biocompatibility came back good for belleglass. FYI, it did not cost me any more to get the Belleglass than the porcelain. If you get porcelain, you may want to make sure it is not porcelain over metal, and stay away from biting hazards. NJ > Teeth > > > Thanks for the information. I found bio-identical dentists to be > extremely expensive. I have had some success in arming myself with > information to non bio-identical dentists and seeing if > they will work > with me. I will take your information and see if he is > willing to use > Belleglass and Holistore instead of pure porcelin. However, > if that is > not possible, is plain porcelin a second-best alternative? I am just > trying to go in with plan A and plan B. Thanks again > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 When my bio-dentist was considering pure porcelain, without a metal base, I asked him, because I'd heard it was weak for molars. He said the 'porcelain' he uses is more properly called a 'ceramic', and has held up very well in his practice. But, it would be best to give up things like hard pretzels, chewing on ice, etc, which could break even regular teeth, as a precaution. Makes sense. I went with Belleglass because it doesn't contain aluminum, and even 'pure' porcelain contains some aluminum, and I am toxic for aluminum. For a lab-baked crown, it probably doesn't leak much aluminum, but I wanted to be careful, as I am replacing a lot of fillings. Also, my biocompatibility came back good for belleglass. FYI, it did not cost me any more to get the Belleglass than the porcelain. If you get porcelain, you may want to make sure it is not porcelain over metal, and stay away from biting hazards. NJ > Teeth > > > Thanks for the information. I found bio-identical dentists to be > extremely expensive. I have had some success in arming myself with > information to non bio-identical dentists and seeing if > they will work > with me. I will take your information and see if he is > willing to use > Belleglass and Holistore instead of pure porcelin. However, > if that is > not possible, is plain porcelin a second-best alternative? I am just > trying to go in with plan A and plan B. Thanks again > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 When my bio-dentist was considering pure porcelain, without a metal base, I asked him, because I'd heard it was weak for molars. He said the 'porcelain' he uses is more properly called a 'ceramic', and has held up very well in his practice. But, it would be best to give up things like hard pretzels, chewing on ice, etc, which could break even regular teeth, as a precaution. Makes sense. I went with Belleglass because it doesn't contain aluminum, and even 'pure' porcelain contains some aluminum, and I am toxic for aluminum. For a lab-baked crown, it probably doesn't leak much aluminum, but I wanted to be careful, as I am replacing a lot of fillings. Also, my biocompatibility came back good for belleglass. FYI, it did not cost me any more to get the Belleglass than the porcelain. If you get porcelain, you may want to make sure it is not porcelain over metal, and stay away from biting hazards. NJ > Teeth > > > Thanks for the information. I found bio-identical dentists to be > extremely expensive. I have had some success in arming myself with > information to non bio-identical dentists and seeing if > they will work > with me. I will take your information and see if he is > willing to use > Belleglass and Holistore instead of pure porcelin. However, > if that is > not possible, is plain porcelin a second-best alternative? I am just > trying to go in with plan A and plan B. Thanks again > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2007 Report Share Posted July 11, 2007 Again, it's been a while since I was studying this stuff but if I remember correctly, porcelain and ceramic are quite different. Ceramic can be extremely hard and durable, but can contain metals. Porcelain, if I recall correctly, does not contain metals and is more likely biocompatible, but is not as tough. Dean RE: RE: Teeth (O/T) When my bio-dentist was considering pure porcelain, without a metal base, I asked him, because I'd heard it was weak for molars. He said the 'porcelain' he uses is more properly called a 'ceramic', and has held up very well in his practice. But, it would be best to give up things like hard pretzels, chewing on ice, etc, which could break even regular teeth, as a precaution. Makes sense. I went with Belleglass because it doesn't contain aluminum, and even 'pure' porcelain contains some aluminum, and I am toxic for aluminum. For a lab-baked crown, it probably doesn't leak much aluminum, but I wanted to be careful, as I am replacing a lot of fillings. Also, my biocompatibility came back good for belleglass. FYI, it did not cost me any more to get the Belleglass than the porcelain. If you get porcelain, you may want to make sure it is not porcelain over metal, and stay away from biting hazards. NJ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2007 Report Share Posted July 12, 2007 I have 3 front porcelain caps which have lasted 35 years - slight fillings done to the backs of them near the gum line a couple of years ago to prolong their life - I was told that they should last 10 years when I had them done. I also have a back tooth done about 6 years ago. I have always treated my caps as any other teeth & my dentist says I have a strong bite, and have had no problems with them at all. They are not metal lined. Val ....just for the record.....my porcelain crowns lasted me one week and two weeks, respectively. ~Inga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2007 Report Share Posted July 12, 2007 This is good to hear. I wonder why mine did not last, as the composites that that same dentist did are doing well 17 years later, so it is not like he was a slouch dentist. Still, he told me they would not be as strong as other materials, but it was worth a go, as I tested negatively to most other materials. Mine were on my molars and they cracked on chewing and biting dow on them. I have since lost those teeth to the crowns failing and not having the funds to have them redone in time. however, I will likley be in need of more corwns coming up. Do you know anythng more that you can add about the procedure, or mateirl that made theese so effective? It would be much appreciated. Thanks, Inga > I have 3 front porcelain caps which have lasted 35 years - slight > fillings done to the backs of them near the gum line a couple of > years ago to prolong their life - I was told that they should last > 10 years when I had them done. I also have a back tooth done about > 6 years ago. I have always treated my caps as any other teeth & my > dentist says I have a strong bite, and have had no problems with > them at all. They are not metal lined. > > Val > > ....just for the record.....my porcelain crowns lasted me one week and > two weeks, respectively. > ~Inga > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 Just wondering what type of testing for dental materials compatibility you are all using. I had electro-dermal testing but since there is no scientific basis for that I wonder if I should let my dentist proceed using this. What about the Huggins blood test for bio compatible materials, I read that this test is questionable also. As it is very important to do everything possible to avoid auto-immune reactions with new materials, I would appreciate any feedback on this. Donna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 Just wondering what type of testing for dental materials compatibility you are all using. I had electro-dermal testing but since there is no scientific basis for that I wonder if I should let my dentist proceed using this. What about the Huggins blood test for bio compatible materials, I read that this test is questionable also. As it is very important to do everything possible to avoid auto-immune reactions with new materials, I would appreciate any feedback on this. Donna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 > Just wondering what type of testing for dental materials compatibility > you are all using. I had electro-dermal testing but since there is no > scientific basis for that I wonder if I should let my dentist proceed > using this. What about the Huggins blood test for bio compatible > materials, I read that this test is questionable also. As it is very > important to do everything possible to avoid auto-immune reactions with > new materials, I would appreciate any feedback on this. > > Donna The Clifford Test that Dr Huggins uses is very comprehensive and I don't think you get better. http://www.ccrlab.com/ Dean-SA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 > Just wondering what type of testing for dental materials compatibility > you are all using. I had electro-dermal testing but since there is no > scientific basis for that I wonder if I should let my dentist proceed > using this. What about the Huggins blood test for bio compatible > materials, I read that this test is questionable also. As it is very > important to do everything possible to avoid auto-immune reactions with > new materials, I would appreciate any feedback on this. > > Donna The Clifford Test that Dr Huggins uses is very comprehensive and I don't think you get better. http://www.ccrlab.com/ Dean-SA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 > Just wondering what type of testing for dental materials compatibility > you are all using. I had electro-dermal testing but since there is no > scientific basis for that I wonder if I should let my dentist proceed > using this. What about the Huggins blood test for bio compatible > materials, I read that this test is questionable also. As it is very > important to do everything possible to avoid auto-immune reactions with > new materials, I would appreciate any feedback on this. > > Donna The Clifford Test that Dr Huggins uses is very comprehensive and I don't think you get better. http://www.ccrlab.com/ Dean-SA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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