Guest guest Posted March 20, 2007 Report Share Posted March 20, 2007 I just completed my 5th round On Friday night and I have a severe headache (I never get headaches) and I can barely read the computer screen because everything looks blurred? Is it normal to develop the redistribution symptoms so many days out? (4 days?) The first day or so I felt like my muscles ran a marathon...when all I did was rake some leaves....I took 8 mg DMSA/ALA every three hours for 7 days. Does this mean I took too much? ~Nahla Nahla Abbo ntabbo@...> wrote: sage@...> wrote: Before chelating, I got a lot of control over symptoms with physical therapy, castor oil packs, and various pain management measures. Nahla wrote: She has had two surgeries on it (rotator cuff) and she has completed her phys therapy...my DR mentioned that drinking fluoridated water and tea (which has abundant amounts of fluoride) can over time create this problem in the joints and arteries....She drinks a pot of tea daily. BUT I also know what mercury can do the joints. -- > > > My mother's shoulder has calcium deposits preventing an old injury and surgery to heal correctly. She also is at risk for a stroke or heart attack because she has calcium deposits in her arteries as well. In my research, I have read that chelation therapy will remove this ionic form of calcium from her joints as well as her arteries. I believe the recommendation is EDTA via IV...30 or more treatments. > > HOWEVER, this poses some concern as she has not gotten her amalgams out yet. She is scheduled to do dental revision within the next 2 months, but what about the mercury already in her body? At what point is EDTA via IV safe for someone who had amalgams? > > Although I do think she has mercury burden...symptoms indicate as such...but, I do feel her most impending risk is her calcium in her arteries and the pain she suffers daily with her shoulder. > > If she chelated with DMSA and ALA after amalgam removal, would this also chelate the calcium out? EDTA is said to chelate calcium deposits and mercury...so I was hoping DMSA would also...because I know there are severe risks to EDTA. Please, anyone?? > > Nahla > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2007 Report Share Posted March 20, 2007 Nahla, I understand restribution is different with everyone and can be pretty inconsistent, too. When I took ALA at that dose, I had those symptoms starting the 2nd evening I was on the round. This round, it's working just fine combined with 50mg DMSA, so I hope to start gradually increasing the ALA on rounds without getting the awful headache. Joanne > > > > > > My mother's shoulder has calcium deposits preventing an old injury > and surgery to heal correctly. She also is at risk for a stroke or > heart attack because she has calcium deposits in her arteries as well. > In my research, I have read that chelation therapy will remove this > ionic form of calcium from her joints as well as her arteries. I > believe the recommendation is EDTA via IV...30 or more treatments. > > > > HOWEVER, this poses some concern as she has not gotten her > amalgams out yet. She is scheduled to do dental revision within the > next 2 months, but what about the mercury already in her body? At what > point is EDTA via IV safe for someone who had amalgams? > > > > Although I do think she has mercury burden...symptoms indicate as > such...but, I do feel her most impending risk is her calcium in her > arteries and the pain she suffers daily with her shoulder. > > > > If she chelated with DMSA and ALA after amalgam removal, would > this also chelate the calcium out? EDTA is said to chelate calcium > deposits and mercury...so I was hoping DMSA would also...because I > know there are severe risks to EDTA. Please, anyone?? > > > > Nahla > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2007 Report Share Posted March 20, 2007 Nahla, I understand restribution is different with everyone and can be pretty inconsistent, too. When I took ALA at that dose, I had those symptoms starting the 2nd evening I was on the round. This round, it's working just fine combined with 50mg DMSA, so I hope to start gradually increasing the ALA on rounds without getting the awful headache. Joanne > > > > > > My mother's shoulder has calcium deposits preventing an old injury > and surgery to heal correctly. She also is at risk for a stroke or > heart attack because she has calcium deposits in her arteries as well. > In my research, I have read that chelation therapy will remove this > ionic form of calcium from her joints as well as her arteries. I > believe the recommendation is EDTA via IV...30 or more treatments. > > > > HOWEVER, this poses some concern as she has not gotten her > amalgams out yet. She is scheduled to do dental revision within the > next 2 months, but what about the mercury already in her body? At what > point is EDTA via IV safe for someone who had amalgams? > > > > Although I do think she has mercury burden...symptoms indicate as > such...but, I do feel her most impending risk is her calcium in her > arteries and the pain she suffers daily with her shoulder. > > > > If she chelated with DMSA and ALA after amalgam removal, would > this also chelate the calcium out? EDTA is said to chelate calcium > deposits and mercury...so I was hoping DMSA would also...because I > know there are severe risks to EDTA. Please, anyone?? > > > > Nahla > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2007 Report Share Posted March 20, 2007 Nahla, I understand restribution is different with everyone and can be pretty inconsistent, too. When I took ALA at that dose, I had those symptoms starting the 2nd evening I was on the round. This round, it's working just fine combined with 50mg DMSA, so I hope to start gradually increasing the ALA on rounds without getting the awful headache. Joanne > > > > > > My mother's shoulder has calcium deposits preventing an old injury > and surgery to heal correctly. She also is at risk for a stroke or > heart attack because she has calcium deposits in her arteries as well. > In my research, I have read that chelation therapy will remove this > ionic form of calcium from her joints as well as her arteries. I > believe the recommendation is EDTA via IV...30 or more treatments. > > > > HOWEVER, this poses some concern as she has not gotten her > amalgams out yet. She is scheduled to do dental revision within the > next 2 months, but what about the mercury already in her body? At what > point is EDTA via IV safe for someone who had amalgams? > > > > Although I do think she has mercury burden...symptoms indicate as > such...but, I do feel her most impending risk is her calcium in her > arteries and the pain she suffers daily with her shoulder. > > > > If she chelated with DMSA and ALA after amalgam removal, would > this also chelate the calcium out? EDTA is said to chelate calcium > deposits and mercury...so I was hoping DMSA would also...because I > know there are severe risks to EDTA. Please, anyone?? > > > > Nahla > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2007 Report Share Posted March 20, 2007 > > > > > > My mother's shoulder has calcium deposits preventing an old injury > and surgery to heal correctly. She also is at risk for a stroke or > heart attack because she has calcium deposits in her arteries as well. > In my research, I have read that chelation therapy will remove this > ionic form of calcium from her joints as well as her arteries. I > believe the recommendation is EDTA via IV...30 or more treatments. > > > > HOWEVER, this poses some concern as she has not gotten her > amalgams out yet. She is scheduled to do dental revision within the > next 2 months, but what about the mercury already in her body? At what > point is EDTA via IV safe for someone who had amalgams? > > > > Although I do think she has mercury burden...symptoms indicate as > such...but, I do feel her most impending risk is her calcium in her > arteries and the pain she suffers daily with her shoulder. > > > > If she chelated with DMSA and ALA after amalgam removal, would > this also chelate the calcium out? EDTA is said to chelate calcium > deposits and mercury...so I was hoping DMSA would also...because I > know there are severe risks to EDTA. Please, anyone?? > > > > Nahla > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2007 Report Share Posted March 20, 2007 > > > > > > My mother's shoulder has calcium deposits preventing an old injury > and surgery to heal correctly. She also is at risk for a stroke or > heart attack because she has calcium deposits in her arteries as well. > In my research, I have read that chelation therapy will remove this > ionic form of calcium from her joints as well as her arteries. I > believe the recommendation is EDTA via IV...30 or more treatments. > > > > HOWEVER, this poses some concern as she has not gotten her > amalgams out yet. She is scheduled to do dental revision within the > next 2 months, but what about the mercury already in her body? At what > point is EDTA via IV safe for someone who had amalgams? > > > > Although I do think she has mercury burden...symptoms indicate as > such...but, I do feel her most impending risk is her calcium in her > arteries and the pain she suffers daily with her shoulder. > > > > If she chelated with DMSA and ALA after amalgam removal, would > this also chelate the calcium out? EDTA is said to chelate calcium > deposits and mercury...so I was hoping DMSA would also...because I > know there are severe risks to EDTA. Please, anyone?? > > > > Nahla > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2007 Report Share Posted March 20, 2007 > > > > > > My mother's shoulder has calcium deposits preventing an old injury > and surgery to heal correctly. She also is at risk for a stroke or > heart attack because she has calcium deposits in her arteries as well. > In my research, I have read that chelation therapy will remove this > ionic form of calcium from her joints as well as her arteries. I > believe the recommendation is EDTA via IV...30 or more treatments. > > > > HOWEVER, this poses some concern as she has not gotten her > amalgams out yet. She is scheduled to do dental revision within the > next 2 months, but what about the mercury already in her body? At what > point is EDTA via IV safe for someone who had amalgams? > > > > Although I do think she has mercury burden...symptoms indicate as > such...but, I do feel her most impending risk is her calcium in her > arteries and the pain she suffers daily with her shoulder. > > > > If she chelated with DMSA and ALA after amalgam removal, would > this also chelate the calcium out? EDTA is said to chelate calcium > deposits and mercury...so I was hoping DMSA would also...because I > know there are severe risks to EDTA. Please, anyone?? > > > > Nahla > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2007 Report Share Posted March 20, 2007 My Dr. who consults with Andy developed the DMSA and ALA together in one capsule...so I take each 8 mg. Just because a doctor consults with Andy does not mean they know everything. Even if Andy himself recommended the combo, I would question it based on your symptoms. What could be the harm in getting yourself some plain DMSA and trying 8 mg doses? It would give you a comparison. Just a suggestion. I'm just telling you my experience. I could not take ALA at first. DMSA alone took a lot out of me (double meaning intended). > When Iwas doing 2mg eac rounds I would also get some slight headaches after or during if I missed a dose. Another recommendation for headaches is to make sure you are drinking lots of water. I find I need to drink more on rounds (which is hard because I normally drink a lot of water). > The 7 day cycle has always been the duration of my rounds...as my Dr. says alot of what is in AI is precautionary and to apply to a wide range of mercury toxic people. I suppose he did not feel I was so toxic??? I don't know what your doc feels/believes. What you feel/believe is ultimately more important. It is your decision. I found even 3 day rounds very tiring at the beginning. I agree some of the advice in AI is more cautionary, and some of it is critical. I also think that what any doctor recommends is only a suggestion and you have to decide based on your own knowledge and experience what feels safe and right for you. > Anyways, I really believe it is distribution because I have the intermittent blurred vision as well. My 1st day off round my symps were muscle aches then my neuro symps got worse and now it appears to be brain and vision... > Nahla Redistribution is the phenomenon of metals being dropped when the chelator is cleared out of your system when a dose wears off. It is what happens at the end of a round. Symptoms can occur off round because detox does not stop off round, it just slows down or is sporadic. I found especially in the beginning, but still true now, that I cannot stay off round too long because the metals start dumping again and I have to start a round to manage this. YMMV. If you have not done a trial of sulfur food elimination to see if that is an issue for you, I recommend it. -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2007 Report Share Posted March 20, 2007 My Dr. who consults with Andy developed the DMSA and ALA together in one capsule...so I take each 8 mg. Just because a doctor consults with Andy does not mean they know everything. Even if Andy himself recommended the combo, I would question it based on your symptoms. What could be the harm in getting yourself some plain DMSA and trying 8 mg doses? It would give you a comparison. Just a suggestion. I'm just telling you my experience. I could not take ALA at first. DMSA alone took a lot out of me (double meaning intended). > When Iwas doing 2mg eac rounds I would also get some slight headaches after or during if I missed a dose. Another recommendation for headaches is to make sure you are drinking lots of water. I find I need to drink more on rounds (which is hard because I normally drink a lot of water). > The 7 day cycle has always been the duration of my rounds...as my Dr. says alot of what is in AI is precautionary and to apply to a wide range of mercury toxic people. I suppose he did not feel I was so toxic??? I don't know what your doc feels/believes. What you feel/believe is ultimately more important. It is your decision. I found even 3 day rounds very tiring at the beginning. I agree some of the advice in AI is more cautionary, and some of it is critical. I also think that what any doctor recommends is only a suggestion and you have to decide based on your own knowledge and experience what feels safe and right for you. > Anyways, I really believe it is distribution because I have the intermittent blurred vision as well. My 1st day off round my symps were muscle aches then my neuro symps got worse and now it appears to be brain and vision... > Nahla Redistribution is the phenomenon of metals being dropped when the chelator is cleared out of your system when a dose wears off. It is what happens at the end of a round. Symptoms can occur off round because detox does not stop off round, it just slows down or is sporadic. I found especially in the beginning, but still true now, that I cannot stay off round too long because the metals start dumping again and I have to start a round to manage this. YMMV. If you have not done a trial of sulfur food elimination to see if that is an issue for you, I recommend it. -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2007 Report Share Posted March 20, 2007 My Dr. who consults with Andy developed the DMSA and ALA together in one capsule...so I take each 8 mg. Just because a doctor consults with Andy does not mean they know everything. Even if Andy himself recommended the combo, I would question it based on your symptoms. What could be the harm in getting yourself some plain DMSA and trying 8 mg doses? It would give you a comparison. Just a suggestion. I'm just telling you my experience. I could not take ALA at first. DMSA alone took a lot out of me (double meaning intended). > When Iwas doing 2mg eac rounds I would also get some slight headaches after or during if I missed a dose. Another recommendation for headaches is to make sure you are drinking lots of water. I find I need to drink more on rounds (which is hard because I normally drink a lot of water). > The 7 day cycle has always been the duration of my rounds...as my Dr. says alot of what is in AI is precautionary and to apply to a wide range of mercury toxic people. I suppose he did not feel I was so toxic??? I don't know what your doc feels/believes. What you feel/believe is ultimately more important. It is your decision. I found even 3 day rounds very tiring at the beginning. I agree some of the advice in AI is more cautionary, and some of it is critical. I also think that what any doctor recommends is only a suggestion and you have to decide based on your own knowledge and experience what feels safe and right for you. > Anyways, I really believe it is distribution because I have the intermittent blurred vision as well. My 1st day off round my symps were muscle aches then my neuro symps got worse and now it appears to be brain and vision... > Nahla Redistribution is the phenomenon of metals being dropped when the chelator is cleared out of your system when a dose wears off. It is what happens at the end of a round. Symptoms can occur off round because detox does not stop off round, it just slows down or is sporadic. I found especially in the beginning, but still true now, that I cannot stay off round too long because the metals start dumping again and I have to start a round to manage this. YMMV. If you have not done a trial of sulfur food elimination to see if that is an issue for you, I recommend it. -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2007 Report Share Posted March 20, 2007 My Dr. who consults with Andy developed the DMSA and ALA together in one capsule...so I take each 8 mg. TK--- much bette to start with just one chelator at a time so you know what is causing what problems. > When Iwas doing 2mg eac rounds I would also get some slight headaches after or during if I missed a dose. TK--- 2mg of both chelators ? > The 7 day cycle has always been the duration of my rounds...as my Dr. says alot of what is in AI is precautionary and to apply to a wide range of mercury toxic people. TK--- correct but he doesn't need to screw with the protocol unless you feel like being a guini pig I suppose he did not feel I was so toxic??? TK--- he is wrong and I do not suggest anyone start with 7 day rounds > Anyways, I really believe it is distribution because I have the intermittent blurred vision as well. My 1st day off round my symps were muscle aches then my neuro symps got worse and now it appears to be brain and vision... TK--- I am going to suggest again you start with just dmsa - 3-4 day rounds until you can get your dosage up and if you do ok with it. > Nahla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2007 Report Share Posted March 20, 2007 My Dr. who consults with Andy developed the DMSA and ALA together in one capsule...so I take each 8 mg. TK--- much bette to start with just one chelator at a time so you know what is causing what problems. > When Iwas doing 2mg eac rounds I would also get some slight headaches after or during if I missed a dose. TK--- 2mg of both chelators ? > The 7 day cycle has always been the duration of my rounds...as my Dr. says alot of what is in AI is precautionary and to apply to a wide range of mercury toxic people. TK--- correct but he doesn't need to screw with the protocol unless you feel like being a guini pig I suppose he did not feel I was so toxic??? TK--- he is wrong and I do not suggest anyone start with 7 day rounds > Anyways, I really believe it is distribution because I have the intermittent blurred vision as well. My 1st day off round my symps were muscle aches then my neuro symps got worse and now it appears to be brain and vision... TK--- I am going to suggest again you start with just dmsa - 3-4 day rounds until you can get your dosage up and if you do ok with it. > Nahla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2007 Report Share Posted March 21, 2007 Ok I think you and are right...I LOVE the idea of 3-4 day rounds...it is pretty tough going 7 days every three hours...by the end of the week, I am exhausted from all the interrupted sleep. My Dr. is a rare breed in that his ego is in check...he has told me to do what works for me so long as I continue to report....he doesn't offer DMSA without ALA so where can I get it??? TK--- internet, links section > ~Nahla > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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