Re: Re: Animals in the Ambulance? Treating animals?

[Guest guest]

I could just see the protocol:

1. Is the horse hurt?

2. Does the horse¹s leg have a joint where one is not supposed to be?

3. Distract the horse with a red apple and shoot him in the head.

4. Complete paperwork and call for carcass removal.

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> Thank you. What about other animals, is there any rules/laws against them

> being in the ambulance?

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> Also if a Paramedic were to treat an animal would it require a protocol signed

> off by a vet?

>

> Renny

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>> > From: texasems-l

>> [mailto:texasems-l ] On

>> > Behalf Of spenair

>> > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 11:59 AM

>> > To: texasems-l

>> > Subject: Animals in the Ambulance? Treating animals?

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>> > Are there any laws/rules about animals in the ambulance? A quick search did

>> > not reveal anything but perhaps I missed it. Can a patients animal go with

>> > them say from a wreck, or a service animal, or a police dog?

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>> > Can you legally treat an animal? I have heard of some places keeping pet O2

>> > masks even.

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>> > Just wondering.

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>> > Renny Spencer

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[Guest guest]

I could just see the protocol:

1. Is the horse hurt?

2. Does the horse¹s leg have a joint where one is not supposed to be?

3. Distract the horse with a red apple and shoot him in the head.

4. Complete paperwork and call for carcass removal.

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>

>

>

> Thank you. What about other animals, is there any rules/laws against them

> being in the ambulance?

>

> Also if a Paramedic were to treat an animal would it require a protocol signed

> off by a vet?

>

> Renny

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>> > A service animal can go anywhere, federal law.

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>> > Lee

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>> > From: texasems-l

>> [mailto:texasems-l ] On

>> > Behalf Of spenair

>> > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 11:59 AM

>> > To: texasems-l

>> > Subject: Animals in the Ambulance? Treating animals?

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>> > Are there any laws/rules about animals in the ambulance? A quick search did

>> > not reveal anything but perhaps I missed it. Can a patients animal go with

>> > them say from a wreck, or a service animal, or a police dog?

>> >

>> > Can you legally treat an animal? I have heard of some places keeping pet O2

>> > masks even.

>> >

>> > Just wondering.

>> >

>> > Renny Spencer

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[Guest guest]

I could just see the protocol:

1. Is the horse hurt?

2. Does the horse¹s leg have a joint where one is not supposed to be?

3. Distract the horse with a red apple and shoot him in the head.

4. Complete paperwork and call for carcass removal.

>

>

>

>

> Thank you. What about other animals, is there any rules/laws against them

> being in the ambulance?

>

> Also if a Paramedic were to treat an animal would it require a protocol signed

> off by a vet?

>

> Renny

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>> > A service animal can go anywhere, federal law.

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>> > Lee

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>> > From: texasems-l

>> [mailto:texasems-l ] On

>> > Behalf Of spenair

>> > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 11:59 AM

>> > To: texasems-l

>> > Subject: Animals in the Ambulance? Treating animals?

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>> > Are there any laws/rules about animals in the ambulance? A quick search did

>> > not reveal anything but perhaps I missed it. Can a patients animal go with

>> > them say from a wreck, or a service animal, or a police dog?

>> >

>> > Can you legally treat an animal? I have heard of some places keeping pet O2

>> > masks even.

>> >

>> > Just wondering.

>> >

>> > Renny Spencer

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[Guest guest]

Considering I can walk in to the local CoOp and buy animal drugs and

even things like huge syringes I doubt it.

Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET

FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI

Typed by my fingers on my iPhone.

Please excuse any typos

(Cell)

LNMolino@...

> Thank you. What about other animals, is there any rules/laws against

> them being in the ambulance?

>

> Also if a Paramedic were to treat an animal would it require a

> protocol signed off by a vet?

>

> Renny

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> > A service animal can go anywhere, federal law.

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> > Lee

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> > From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-

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> > Behalf Of spenair

> > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 11:59 AM

> > To: texasems-l

> > Subject: Animals in the Ambulance? Treating animals?

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> > Are there any laws/rules about animals in the ambulance? A quick

> search did

> > not reveal anything but perhaps I missed it. Can a patients animal

> go with

> > them say from a wreck, or a service animal, or a police dog?

> >

> > Can you legally treat an animal? I have heard of some places

> keeping pet O2

> > masks even.

> >

> > Just wondering.

> >

> > Renny Spencer

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[Guest guest]

Never heard of any laws or rules...we have transported animals twice in my

current agency.? In having a discussion with our local vet, he said basic first

aid is fine but that if we desired to get into more aggressive treatment, it

could cause concerns with the veterinary practices act...didn't know there was

such a thing...but evidently there is.?

This topic came up after our last " Doggie Dash " a local 5K that benefits the

humane society...90 degrees, 90+% humidity and a black lab that normally sits on

the couch in air conditioning all day.? Fortunately there was a vet at the

finish line who had run in the race...liter of fluid later and a bunch of cold

pack and the boy was almost as good as new...

Dudley

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> > > not reveal anything but perhaps I missed it. Can a patients animal

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> > > them say from a wreck, or a service animal, or a police dog?

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> > > Can you legally treat an animal? I have heard of some places

> > keeping pet O2

> > > masks even.

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> > > Just wondering.

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> > > Renny Spencer

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[Guest guest]

I once worked for a racetrack ambulance firm. Instructions were once the horses

left the gate:

1. Make sure each ass has an asshole (each horse = ass, each jockey = asshole)

2. Jockey comes first for treatment. If you are the passenger medic, be ready to

tuck and roll because ambulance must follow race to finish and you do not!

3. Once jockey is cared for, EMS personnel assists Vet with animal. (Holding a

tarp to block view of spectators and camera).

B.

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>> > Can you legally treat an animal? I have heard of some places keeping pet

O2

>> > masks even.

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>> > Just wondering.

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>> > Renny Spencer

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[Guest guest]

The Texas GSL has a specific provision that provides protection to EMS

personnel whether or not they are being paid. The word for pay in the statute

is " remuneration. " The " no pay " provision applies to other rescuers but

not EMS. Most other states only afford protection if you're not being paid.

The veterinarians have become very militant in recent years about people

practicing veterinary medicine. I know a guy who worked for a vet for years

as a tech and would often make calls when the vet was on another call.

Both the vet and the tech got into big trouble with the veterinary board.

It's very much like EMS and medical directors. As long as the tech is under

the direct supervision of a vet, no problem with delegation. But they

cannot go out in a truck and see animals and treat by themselves without

violating.

People can still treat their own animals.

I doubt very much, however, that there would ever be a problem starting an

IV on an animal or pushing a drug (if you got the dose right) if no vet was

available and it was a lifesaving act. What they do not want to see is

laypeople routinely doing vet practice and charging for it.

GG

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> There is a vet. practice act. The vets. have a strong lobby. It keeps

> people other than vets from making money providing care. In an emergency, you

> are covered by the good samaritan law.It does not seperate BLS and ALS.

> Until you receive money you are good. As far as your own animal, you can do

> any treatment as long as it is humane. Remember the vets. are protecting

> their practice

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> > > > > From: texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem [mailto:texasems-

> > > > l@...@y] On

> > > > > Behalf Of spenair

> > > > > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 11:59 AM

> > > > > To: texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem

> > > > > Subject: Animals in the Ambulance? Treating animals?

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> > > > > Are there any laws/rules about animals in the ambulance? A quick

> > > > search did

> > > > > not reveal anything but perhaps I missed it. Can a patients animal

> > > > go with

> > > > > them say from a wreck, or a service animal, or a police dog?

> > > > >

> > > > > Can you legally treat an animal? I have heard of some places

> > > > keeping pet O2

> > > > > masks even.

> > > > >

> > > > > Just wondering.

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> > > > > Renny Spencer

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[Guest guest]

I just completed a tactical medic class where we were taught, among other

interesting things, K9 first aid including CPR, O2 administration, IV

administration and medications. Keep in mind that this is to help save a

service animal's life and in the confines of a tactical team not civilian EMS.

I did find the class very informative.

McGee, EMT-P, EMT-T

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> > > > > them say from a wreck, or a service animal, or a police dog?

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> > > > > Can you legally treat an animal? I have heard of some places

> > > > keeping pet O2

> > > > > masks even.

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> > > > > Just wondering.

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> > > > > Renny Spencer

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[Guest guest]

Is this really an issue? Has there been a sudden increase in animal

(non-human) transports? Is there some TDSHS animal transport investigator

on the loose stalking ambulances throughout Texas looking for the alleged

animal transporters? Let¹s have a PETA rally in front of TDSHS for their

egregious rules and regulations that forbid the humane and ethical transport

of Bambi, Fluffy and Spot! This is an outrage‹I say an OUTRAGE‹and

certainly a bigger issue than the economy, poor EMS reimbursement, bad pay,

ambulance crashes, TDSHS funding cutbacks, the NREMT, NAEMT, uniforms,

protocols, cougar, Medicare scandals, and the general degradation of the EMS

system in general.

This is a CALL TO ARMS! Let¹s meet in Austin at TDSHS at noon. Bring your

pets as Vick will not be there!

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> Have not heard from Maxie or other state people any Rules/regs/laws that we

> would be in violation of if an animal were treated or transported in an

> ambulance?

>

> Thanks everyone for the replys.

>

> Renny

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>>>>>>> > > > > > > From: texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem [mailto:texasems-

>>>>>> > > > > > l@... @y] On

>>>>>>> > > > > > > Behalf Of spenair

>>>>>>> > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 11:59 AM

>>>>>>> > > > > > > To: texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem

>>>>>>> > > > > > > Subject: Animals in the Ambulance? Treating

animals?

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>>>>>>> > > > > > > Are there any laws/rules about animals in the ambulance? A

quick

>>>>>> > > > > > search did

>>>>>>> > > > > > > not reveal anything but perhaps I missed it. Can a patients

animal

>>>>>> > > > > > go with

>>>>>>> > > > > > > them say from a wreck, or a service animal, or a police dog?

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > > Can you legally treat an animal? I have heard of some places

>>>>>> > > > > > keeping pet O2

>>>>>>> > > > > > > masks even.

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > > Just wondering.

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > > Renny Spencer

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[Guest guest]

Is this really an issue? Has there been a sudden increase in animal

(non-human) transports? Is there some TDSHS animal transport investigator

on the loose stalking ambulances throughout Texas looking for the alleged

animal transporters? Let¹s have a PETA rally in front of TDSHS for their

egregious rules and regulations that forbid the humane and ethical transport

of Bambi, Fluffy and Spot! This is an outrage‹I say an OUTRAGE‹and

certainly a bigger issue than the economy, poor EMS reimbursement, bad pay,

ambulance crashes, TDSHS funding cutbacks, the NREMT, NAEMT, uniforms,

protocols, cougar, Medicare scandals, and the general degradation of the EMS

system in general.

This is a CALL TO ARMS! Let¹s meet in Austin at TDSHS at noon. Bring your

pets as Vick will not be there!

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>

>

>

> Have not heard from Maxie or other state people any Rules/regs/laws that we

> would be in violation of if an animal were treated or transported in an

> ambulance?

>

> Thanks everyone for the replys.

>

> Renny

>

>

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>>>>>>> > > > > > > Lee

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>>>>>>> > > > > > > From: texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem [mailto:texasems-

>>>>>> > > > > > l@... @y] On

>>>>>>> > > > > > > Behalf Of spenair

>>>>>>> > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 11:59 AM

>>>>>>> > > > > > > To: texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem

>>>>>>> > > > > > > Subject: Animals in the Ambulance? Treating

animals?

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>>>>>>> > > > > > > Are there any laws/rules about animals in the ambulance? A

quick

>>>>>> > > > > > search did

>>>>>>> > > > > > > not reveal anything but perhaps I missed it. Can a patients

animal

>>>>>> > > > > > go with

>>>>>>> > > > > > > them say from a wreck, or a service animal, or a police dog?

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > > Can you legally treat an animal? I have heard of some places

>>>>>> > > > > > keeping pet O2

>>>>>>> > > > > > > masks even.

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > > Just wondering.

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>>>>>>> > > > > > > Renny Spencer

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[Guest guest]

Only you Mr. Bledson.......only you.....

Hatfield

" The main part of intellectual education is not the acquisition of facts but

learning how to make facts live. " - Oliver Wendell Holmes

www.michaelwhatfield.net

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> Have not heard from Maxie or other state people any Rules/regs/laws that we

> would be in violation of if an animal were treated or transported in an

> ambulance?

>

> Thanks everyone for the replys.

>

> Renny

>

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>>>>>>> > > > > > > A service animal can go anywhere, federal law.

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

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>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > > Lee

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>>>>>>> > > > > > > From: texasems-l@yahoogro texasem [mailto:texasems-

>>>>>> > > > > > l (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) l @y] On

>>>>>>> > > > > > > Behalf Of spenair

>>>>>>> > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 11:59 AM

>>>>>>> > > > > > > To: texasems-l@yahoogro texasem

>>>>>>> > > > > > > Subject: Animals in the Ambulance? Treating

animals?

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>>>>>>> > > > > > > Are there any laws/rules about animals in the ambulance? A

quick

>>>>>> > > > > > search did

>>>>>>> > > > > > > not reveal anything but perhaps I missed it. Can a patients

animal

>>>>>> > > > > > go with

>>>>>>> > > > > > > them say from a wreck, or a service animal, or a police dog?

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > > Can you legally treat an animal? I have heard of some places

>>>>>> > > > > > keeping pet O2

>>>>>>> > > > > > > masks even.

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > > Just wondering.

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > > Renny Spencer

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[Guest guest]

Only you Mr. Bledson.......only you.....

Hatfield

" The main part of intellectual education is not the acquisition of facts but

learning how to make facts live. " - Oliver Wendell Holmes

www.michaelwhatfield.net

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>

>

> Have not heard from Maxie or other state people any Rules/regs/laws that we

> would be in violation of if an animal were treated or transported in an

> ambulance?

>

> Thanks everyone for the replys.

>

> Renny

>

>

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>>>>>>> > > > > > > A service animal can go anywhere, federal law.

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

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>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > > Lee

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>>>>>>> > > > > > > From: texasems-l@yahoogro texasem [mailto:texasems-

>>>>>> > > > > > l (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) l @y] On

>>>>>>> > > > > > > Behalf Of spenair

>>>>>>> > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 11:59 AM

>>>>>>> > > > > > > To: texasems-l@yahoogro texasem

>>>>>>> > > > > > > Subject: Animals in the Ambulance? Treating

animals?

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>>>>>>> > > > > > >

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>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > > Are there any laws/rules about animals in the ambulance? A

quick

>>>>>> > > > > > search did

>>>>>>> > > > > > > not reveal anything but perhaps I missed it. Can a patients

animal

>>>>>> > > > > > go with

>>>>>>> > > > > > > them say from a wreck, or a service animal, or a police dog?

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > > Can you legally treat an animal? I have heard of some places

>>>>>> > > > > > keeping pet O2

>>>>>>> > > > > > > masks even.

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > > Just wondering.

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > > Renny Spencer

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[Guest guest]

I'm signing up as the exclusive distributor of pitchforks and torches to the

Angry Texas EMS-L Mob.

Between this issue and the semi-regular issues, I should be able to retire in

six months.

-Wes Ogilvie

[texasems-

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quick

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>>>>>>> > > > > > > not reveal anything but perhaps I missed it. Can a patients

animal

>>>>>> > > > > > go with

>>>>>>> > > > > > > them say from a wreck, or a service animal, or a police dog?

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > > Can you legally treat an animal? I have heard of some places

>>>>>> > > > > > keeping pet O2

>>>>>>> > > > > > > masks even.

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > > Just wondering.

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[Guest guest]

I'm signing up as the exclusive distributor of pitchforks and torches to the

Angry Texas EMS-L Mob.

Between this issue and the semi-regular issues, I should be able to retire in

six months.

-Wes Ogilvie

[texasems-

L] Animals in the Ambulance? Treating

animals?

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quick

>>>>>> > > > > > search did

>>>>>>> > > > > > > not reveal anything but perhaps I missed it. Can a patients

animal

>>>>>> > > > > > go with

>>>>>>> > > > > > > them say from a wreck, or a service animal, or a police dog?

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > > Can you legally treat an animal? I have heard of some places

>>>>>> > > > > > keeping pet O2

>>>>>>> > > > > > > masks even.

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

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[Guest guest]

I'm signing up as the exclusive distributor of pitchforks and torches to the

Angry Texas EMS-L Mob.

Between this issue and the semi-regular issues, I should be able to retire in

six months.

-Wes Ogilvie

[texasems-

L] Animals in the Ambulance? Treating

animals?

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quick

>>>>>> > > > > > search did

>>>>>>> > > > > > > not reveal anything but perhaps I missed it. Can a patients

animal

>>>>>> > > > > > go with

>>>>>>> > > > > > > them say from a wreck, or a service animal, or a police dog?

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > > Can you legally treat an animal? I have heard of some places

>>>>>> > > > > > keeping pet O2

>>>>>>> > > > > > > masks even.

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > > Just wondering.

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > > Renny Spencer

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Don’t take your Beagles to see the Eagles. (Words to Live By)

On 9/21/09 9:55 AM, " Hatfield " michaelwhatfield@...>

wrote:

>

>

>

>

> Only you Mr. Bledson.......only you.....

>

> Hatfield

> " The main part of intellectual education is not the acquisition of facts but

> learning how to make facts live. " - Oliver Wendell Holmes

> www.michaelwhatfield.net

>

>

>

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > Have not heard from Maxie or other state people any Rules/regs/laws that we

>> > would be in violation of if an animal were treated or transported in an

>> > ambulance?

>> >

>> > Thanks everyone for the replys.

>> >

>> > Renny

>> >

>> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > > > > > > A service animal can go anywhere, federal law.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > > > > > > Lee

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > > > > > > From: texasems-l@yahoogro texasem

[mailto:texasems-

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > > > > l (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) l @y]

On

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > > > > > > Behalf Of spenair

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 11:59 AM

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > > > > > > To: texasems-l@yahoogro texasem

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > > > > > > Subject: Animals in the Ambulance?

Treating

> animals?

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > > > > > > Are there any laws/rules about animals in the

ambulance? A

> quick

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > > > > search did

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > > > > > > not reveal anything but perhaps I missed it.

Can a patients

> animal

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > > > > go with

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > > > > > > them say from a wreck, or a service animal, or

a police dog?

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > > > > > > Can you legally treat an animal? I have heard

of some places

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > > > > keeping pet O2

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > > > > > > masks even.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > > > > > > Just wondering.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > > > > > > Renny Spencer

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

removed]

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > > > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > > > >

>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > > > >

>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > > > >

>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Don’t take your Beagles to see the Eagles. (Words to Live By)

On 9/21/09 9:55 AM, " Hatfield " michaelwhatfield@...>

wrote:

>

>

>

>

> Only you Mr. Bledson.......only you.....

>

> Hatfield

> " The main part of intellectual education is not the acquisition of facts but

> learning how to make facts live. " - Oliver Wendell Holmes

> www.michaelwhatfield.net

>

>

>

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > Have not heard from Maxie or other state people any Rules/regs/laws that we

>> > would be in violation of if an animal were treated or transported in an

>> > ambulance?

>> >

>> > Thanks everyone for the replys.

>> >

>> > Renny

>> >

>> >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > > > > > > A service animal can go anywhere, federal law.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > > > > > > Lee

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > > > > > > From: texasems-l@yahoogro texasem

[mailto:texasems-

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > > > > l (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) l @y]

On

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > > > > > > Behalf Of spenair

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 11:59 AM

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > > > > > > To: texasems-l@yahoogro texasem

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > > > > > > Subject: Animals in the Ambulance?

Treating

> animals?

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > > > > > > Are there any laws/rules about animals in the

ambulance? A

> quick

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > > > > search did

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > > > > > > not reveal anything but perhaps I missed it.

Can a patients

> animal

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > > > > go with

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > > > > > > them say from a wreck, or a service animal, or

a police dog?

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > > > > > > Can you legally treat an animal? I have heard

of some places

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > > > > keeping pet O2

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > > > > > > masks even.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > > > > > > Just wondering.

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > > > > > > Renny Spencer

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

removed]

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > > > >

>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> > > > > >

>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > > > >

>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > > > >

>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > > > >

[Guest guest]

If you get Pamela to your rally in her PETA strip outfit....you'd have

a crowd....but they might not listen too well...

-MH

________________________________

From: texasems-l [texasems-l ] On Behalf Of

Hatfield [michaelwhatfield@...]

Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 9:55 AM

To: texasems-l

Subject: Re: Re: Animals in the Ambulance? Treating animals?

Only you Mr. Bledson.......only you.....

Hatfield

" The main part of intellectual education is not the acquisition of facts but

learning how to make facts live. " - Oliver Wendell Holmes

www.michaelwhatfield.net

>

>

>

>

> Have not heard from Maxie or other state people any Rules/regs/laws that we

> would be in violation of if an animal were treated or transported in an

> ambulance?

>

> Thanks everyone for the replys.

>

> Renny

>

>

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > > A service animal can go anywhere, federal law.

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > > Lee

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > > From: texasems-l@yahoogro texasem [mailto:texasems-

>>>>>> > > > > > l (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) l @y] On

>>>>>>> > > > > > > Behalf Of spenair

>>>>>>> > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 11:59 AM

>>>>>>> > > > > > > To: texasems-l@yahoogro texasem

>>>>>>> > > > > > > Subject: Animals in the Ambulance? Treating

animals?

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > > Are there any laws/rules about animals in the ambulance? A

quick

>>>>>> > > > > > search did

>>>>>>> > > > > > > not reveal anything but perhaps I missed it. Can a patients

animal

>>>>>> > > > > > go with

>>>>>>> > > > > > > them say from a wreck, or a service animal, or a police dog?

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > > Can you legally treat an animal? I have heard of some places

>>>>>> > > > > > keeping pet O2

>>>>>>> > > > > > > masks even.

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > > Just wondering.

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > > Renny Spencer

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

If you get Pamela to your rally in her PETA strip outfit....you'd have

a crowd....but they might not listen too well...

-MH

________________________________

From: texasems-l [texasems-l ] On Behalf Of

Hatfield [michaelwhatfield@...]

Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 9:55 AM

To: texasems-l

Subject: Re: Re: Animals in the Ambulance? Treating animals?

Only you Mr. Bledson.......only you.....

Hatfield

" The main part of intellectual education is not the acquisition of facts but

learning how to make facts live. " - Oliver Wendell Holmes

www.michaelwhatfield.net

>

>

>

>

> Have not heard from Maxie or other state people any Rules/regs/laws that we

> would be in violation of if an animal were treated or transported in an

> ambulance?

>

> Thanks everyone for the replys.

>

> Renny

>

>

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > > A service animal can go anywhere, federal law.

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > > Lee

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > > From: texasems-l@yahoogro texasem [mailto:texasems-

>>>>>> > > > > > l (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) l @y] On

>>>>>>> > > > > > > Behalf Of spenair

>>>>>>> > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 11:59 AM

>>>>>>> > > > > > > To: texasems-l@yahoogro texasem

>>>>>>> > > > > > > Subject: Animals in the Ambulance? Treating

animals?

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > > Are there any laws/rules about animals in the ambulance? A

quick

>>>>>> > > > > > search did

>>>>>>> > > > > > > not reveal anything but perhaps I missed it. Can a patients

animal

>>>>>> > > > > > go with

>>>>>>> > > > > > > them say from a wreck, or a service animal, or a police dog?

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > > Can you legally treat an animal? I have heard of some places

>>>>>> > > > > > keeping pet O2

>>>>>>> > > > > > > masks even.

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > > Just wondering.

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > > Renny Spencer

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

If you get Pamela to your rally in her PETA strip outfit....you'd have

a crowd....but they might not listen too well...

-MH

________________________________

From: texasems-l [texasems-l ] On Behalf Of

Hatfield [michaelwhatfield@...]

Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 9:55 AM

To: texasems-l

Subject: Re: Re: Animals in the Ambulance? Treating animals?

Only you Mr. Bledson.......only you.....

Hatfield

" The main part of intellectual education is not the acquisition of facts but

learning how to make facts live. " - Oliver Wendell Holmes

www.michaelwhatfield.net

>

>

>

>

> Have not heard from Maxie or other state people any Rules/regs/laws that we

> would be in violation of if an animal were treated or transported in an

> ambulance?

>

> Thanks everyone for the replys.

>

> Renny

>

>

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > > A service animal can go anywhere, federal law.

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > > Lee

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > > From: texasems-l@yahoogro texasem [mailto:texasems-

>>>>>> > > > > > l (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) l @y] On

>>>>>>> > > > > > > Behalf Of spenair

>>>>>>> > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 11:59 AM

>>>>>>> > > > > > > To: texasems-l@yahoogro texasem

>>>>>>> > > > > > > Subject: Animals in the Ambulance? Treating

animals?

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > > Are there any laws/rules about animals in the ambulance? A

quick

>>>>>> > > > > > search did

>>>>>>> > > > > > > not reveal anything but perhaps I missed it. Can a patients

animal

>>>>>> > > > > > go with

>>>>>>> > > > > > > them say from a wreck, or a service animal, or a police dog?

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > > Can you legally treat an animal? I have heard of some places

>>>>>> > > > > > keeping pet O2

>>>>>>> > > > > > > masks even.

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > > Just wondering.

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > > Renny Spencer

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

>>>>>>> > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

I had a paramedic call one time from a scene where a cow got hit by a car.

The cow was bellowing and mortally injured. The owner of the cow was

crying. The paramedic wanted to give the cow ²something² so we allowed her

to give the cow 10 mg diazepam. I don¹t know if it helped the cow but the

paramedic and owner seemed happy.

>

>

>

>

> Here is an example from Canada. If we pushed Morphine on a dog would we still

> be certified?

>

> April 10, 2009

>

> Drugs for dog probed

> Questions raised after medics administer morphine to injured german shepherd

> By NADIA MOHARIB, SUN MEDIA

>

> Justice, owned by RCMP Cpl. Blake, was hit by a garbage truck and

> suffered critical injuries.

> Two medics are being investigated after giving a dying dog painkillers as he

> sat unable to move in the middle of a street, his owner refusing to leave his

> side.

>

> And the off-duty Mountie with Justice, the dog struck by a garbage truck on

> Deer Ridge Dr. S.E. on April 1, has nothing but accolades for their

> compassionate actions.

>

> " They were obviously there to treat me but they also helped Justice, " Cpl.

> Blake said yesterday.

>

> " It was heartbreaking ... but everybody was very supportive and professional

> and did an amazing job. "

>

> Blake had broken fingers and serious bite wounds inflicted by Justice, but

> wouldn't leave his beloved dog's side. Each time he tried, his loyal German

> shepherd struggled to drag his broken body to follow.

>

> Bleeding profusely, with open fractures and crying in pain, there was also the

> risk the nine-year-old canine, who had never bitten before, would hurt someone

> else trying to help.

>

> " They couldn't deal with me because every time I moved, Justice would try to

> get up, " said Blake, who is off work while his injuries heal.

>

> " I didn't even feel anything because my dog was going through so much pain ...

> and the only way to move him was to sedate him. "

>

> Paramedics, faced with the unique scenario -- and no rule book to deal with it

> -- decided to treat Justice to allow medics to treat Blake and ensure no one

> else was hurt.

>

> With no muzzle, no vet willing to come to the scene and animal services still

> on their way, they gave Justice painkillers. Justice's pain subsided enough

> for bylaw workers to take him to a vet, where he was euthanized.

>

> Alberta Health Service's Stuart Brideaux, with Calgary EMS, said medics'

> priority is to care for people.

>

> There is no protocol to treat animals.

>

> Although it is the first time he recalls crews medicating one, there is

> certainly precedence for giving basic care to injured animals.

>

> " It wouldn't be inappropriate to do some first aid, " Brideaux said.

>

> " It comes down to the discretion of the crew, on a case-by-case basis. "

>

> He said this case is " very atypical, " and although medics had " the patient's

> and the dog's best interests at heart, " it warrants investigation as " an

> opportunity for learning. "

>

> Union officials share that stance.

>

> Rick Fraser, CUPE 3421 president, said he hopes the veteran pair face no

> penalties for the doing " the right thing " when finding horrified bystanders

> and an off-duty nurse trying to comfort a mortally injured dog and a

> distraught and hurt patient in the street as children filed out of a nearby

> school. The truck's driver was also at the scene.

>

> It took bylaw more than a half hour to arrive -- city officials are

> investigating a 15-minute delay for the call to be dispatched -- leaving

> medics the only ones able to help.

>

> " They limited the dog bite to one person, " Fraser said, adding the medics

> didn't take the decision lightly.

>

> " They were on the telephone with a vet walking them through to make sure they

> had the correct dosage. "

>

> He said the case is scenario where, to treat a patient, medics had to treat a

> pet.

>

> " Clearly, our number one concern is for the patient but when the patient

> refuses to be looked at because they are worried about their dog, you have to

> do what's best to treat the patient, " he said.

>

> Officials could not say if the outcome of the investigation would lead to

> disciplanary action, although the case will ideally be used as a learning

> experience.

>

> But Fraser hopes, rather than prompting " armchair quarterbacks " to dole out

> discipline, the incident serves as a reminder rules aren't always tailored to

> apply at every call in the dynamic field.

>

> " It doesn't always fit into a nice little protocol box and this was out of the

> box thinking and in my point of view, these medics should be commended, " he

> said.

>

> Blake agrees.

>

> He said it " would be a shame " if the medics faced any consequences when the

> pair, who are paid to give medical care, did just that when faced with limited

> options.

>

> He said it is one of many cases where emergency crews, be it police, fire or

> EMS, realize caring for a pet is " part and parcel " in a bid to care for a

> patient.

>

> " We are caring human beings, that's why we do this job, " the 19-year police

> veteran said.

>

> " I don't think anyone in (emergency services) draws the line and says 'This is

> not our jurisdiction.' "

>

> NADIA.MOHARIB@...

>

>

>

>

>>

[Guest guest]

Is it possible to state that the medics, having contacted a Vet, were acting

under " medical direction " ?

Just my 2 cents-- Kudos to them

Re: Animals in the Ambulance? Treating animals?

Here is an example from Canada. If we pushed Morphine on a dog would we still be

certified?

April 10, 2009

Drugs for dog probed

Questions raised after medics administer morphine to injured german shepherd

By NADIA MOHARIB, SUN MEDIA

Justice, owned by RCMP Cpl. Blake, was hit by a garbage truck and suffered

critical injuries.

Two medics are being investigated after giving a dying dog painkillers as he sat

unable to move in the middle of a street, his owner refusing to leave his side.

And the off-duty Mountie with Justice, the dog struck by a garbage truck on Deer

Ridge Dr. S.E. on April 1, has nothing but accolades for their compassionate

actions.

" They were obviously there to treat me but they also helped Justice, " Cpl.

Blake said yesterday.

" It was heartbreaking ... but everybody was very supportive and professional and

did an amazing job. "

Blake had broken fingers and serious bite wounds inflicted by Justice, but

wouldn't leave his beloved dog's side. Each time he tried, his loyal German

shepherd struggled to drag his broken body to follow.

Bleeding profusely, with open fractures and crying in pain, there was also the

risk the nine-year-old canine, who had never bitten before, would hurt someone

else trying to help.

" They couldn't deal with me because every time I moved, Justice would try to get

up, " said Blake, who is off work while his injuries heal.

" I didn't even feel anything because my dog was going through so much pain ...

and the only way to move him was to sedate him. "

Paramedics, faced with the unique scenario -- and no rule book to deal with it

-- decided to treat Justice to allow medics to treat Blake and ensure no one

else was hurt.

With no muzzle, no vet willing to come to the scene and animal services still on

their way, they gave Justice painkillers. Justice's pain subsided enough for

bylaw workers to take him to a vet, where he was euthanized.

Alberta Health Service's Stuart Brideaux, with Calgary EMS, said medics'

priority is to care for people.

There is no protocol to treat animals.

Although it is the first time he recalls crews medicating one, there is

certainly precedence for giving basic care to injured animals.

" It wouldn't be inappropriate to do some first aid, " Brideaux said.

" It comes down to the discretion of the crew, on a case-by-case basis. "

He said this case is " very atypical, " and although medics had " the patient's and

the dog's best interests at heart, " it warrants investigation as " an opportunity

for learning. "

Union officials share that stance.

Rick Fraser, CUPE 3421 president, said he hopes the veteran pair face no

penalties for the doing " the right thing " when finding horrified bystanders and

an off-duty nurse trying to comfort a mortally injured dog and a distraught and

hurt patient in the street as children filed out of a nearby school. The truck's

driver was also at the scene.

It took bylaw more than a half hour to arrive -- city officials are

investigating a 15-minute delay for the call to be dispatched -- leaving medics

the only ones able to help.

" They limited the dog bite to one person, " Fraser said, adding the medics didn't

take the decision lightly.

" They were on the telephone with a vet walking them through to make sure they

had the correct dosage. "

He said the case is scenario where, to treat a patient, medics had to treat a

pet.

" Clearly, our number one concern is for the patient but when the patient refuses

to be looked at because they are worried about their dog, you have to do what's

best to treat the patient, " he said.

Officials could not say if the outcome of the investigation would lead to

disciplanary action, although the case will ideally be used as a learning

experience.

But Fraser hopes, rather than prompting " armchair quarterbacks " to dole out

discipline, the incident serves as a reminder rules aren't always tailored to

apply at every call in the dynamic field.

" It doesn't always fit into a nice little protocol box and this was out of the

box thinking and in my point of view, these medics should be commended, " he

said.

Blake agrees.

He said it " would be a shame " if the medics faced any consequences when the

pair, who are paid to give medical care, did just that when faced with limited

options.

He said it is one of many cases where emergency crews, be it police, fire or

EMS, realize caring for a pet is " part and parcel " in a bid to care for a

patient.

" We are caring human beings, that's why we do this job, " the 19-year police

veteran said.

" I don't think anyone in (emergency services) draws the line and says 'This is

not our jurisdiction.' "

NADIA.MOHARIB@...