Re: Animals in the Ambulance? Treating animals?

[Guest guest]

The amazing this was not that he tried to kill the cocker spaniel or that it

was his mom¹s pet. The amazing thing is that they have electricity in

Louisiana.

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>

>

> In a message dated 9/18/2009 10:14:24 A.M. Central Daylight Time,

> Grayson902@... writes:

>

> It was the right thing to do, seeing as how I'm the one that

> electrocuted him and Mom would have been pissed to know I killed her pet.

> Was that in the book?

>

> Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

> FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

> Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant

>

> LNMolino@...

>

> (Cell Phone)

>

> " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

>

> " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

> discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)

>

>

[Guest guest]

--here I kept from askin' if one of the future litters that the dog sired had a

pup named after him, and you're slappin his whole state...

Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with SprintSpeed

Re: Animals in the Ambulance? Treating animals?

The amazing this was not that he tried to kill the cocker spaniel or that it

was his mom¹s pet. The amazing thing is that they have electricity in

Louisiana.

>

>

>

>

> In a message dated 9/18/2009 10:14:24 A.M. Central Daylight Time,

> Grayson902@... writes:

>

> It was the right thing to do, seeing as how I'm the one that

> electrocuted him and Mom would have been pissed to know I killed her pet.

> Was that in the book?

>

> Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

> FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

> Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant

>

> LNMolino@...

>

> (Cell Phone)

>

> " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

>

> " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

> discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)

>

>

[Guest guest]

--here I kept from askin' if one of the future litters that the dog sired had a

pup named after him, and you're slappin his whole state...

Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with SprintSpeed

Re: Animals in the Ambulance? Treating animals?

The amazing this was not that he tried to kill the cocker spaniel or that it

was his mom¹s pet. The amazing thing is that they have electricity in

Louisiana.

>

>

>

>

> In a message dated 9/18/2009 10:14:24 A.M. Central Daylight Time,

> Grayson902@... writes:

>

> It was the right thing to do, seeing as how I'm the one that

> electrocuted him and Mom would have been pissed to know I killed her pet.

> Was that in the book?

>

> Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

> FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

> Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant

>

> LNMolino@...

>

> (Cell Phone)

>

> " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

>

> " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

> discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)

>

>

[Guest guest]

--here I kept from askin' if one of the future litters that the dog sired had a

pup named after him, and you're slappin his whole state...

Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with SprintSpeed

Re: Animals in the Ambulance? Treating animals?

The amazing this was not that he tried to kill the cocker spaniel or that it

was his mom¹s pet. The amazing thing is that they have electricity in

Louisiana.

>

>

>

>

> In a message dated 9/18/2009 10:14:24 A.M. Central Daylight Time,

> Grayson902@... writes:

>

> It was the right thing to do, seeing as how I'm the one that

> electrocuted him and Mom would have been pissed to know I killed her pet.

> Was that in the book?

>

> Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

> FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

> Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant

>

> LNMolino@...

>

> (Cell Phone)

>

> " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

>

> " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

> discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)

>

>

[Guest guest]

Tough call on that one...

On 9/18/09 10:57 AM, " paramedic300@... " paramedic300@...>

wrote:

> --here I kept from askin' if one of the future litters that the dog sired had

> a pup named after him, and you're slappin his whole state...

>

> Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with SprintSpeed

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> Re: Animals in the Ambulance? Treating animals?

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> The amazing this was not that he tried to kill the cocker spaniel or that it

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> was his mom¹s pet. The amazing thing is that they have electricity in

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> Louisiana.

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>> In a message dated 9/18/2009 10:14:24 A.M. Central Daylight Time,

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>> It was the right thing to do, seeing as how I'm the one that

>

>> electrocuted him and Mom would have been pissed to know I killed her pet.

>

>> Was that in the book?

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>

>> Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

>

>> FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

>

>> Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant

>

>>

>

>> LNMolino@...

>

>>

>

>> (Cell Phone)

>

>>

>

>> " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

>

>>

>

>> " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

>

>> discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)

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[Guest guest]

Tough call on that one...

On 9/18/09 10:57 AM, " paramedic300@... " paramedic300@...>

wrote:

> --here I kept from askin' if one of the future litters that the dog sired had

> a pup named after him, and you're slappin his whole state...

>

> Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with SprintSpeed

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> Re: Animals in the Ambulance? Treating animals?

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> The amazing this was not that he tried to kill the cocker spaniel or that it

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> was his mom¹s pet. The amazing thing is that they have electricity in

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> Louisiana.

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>> In a message dated 9/18/2009 10:14:24 A.M. Central Daylight Time,

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>> Grayson902@... writes:

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>

>> It was the right thing to do, seeing as how I'm the one that

>

>> electrocuted him and Mom would have been pissed to know I killed her pet.

>

>> Was that in the book?

>

>>

>

>> Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

>

>> FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

>

>> Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant

>

>>

>

>> LNMolino@...

>

>>

>

>> (Cell Phone)

>

>>

>

>> " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

>

>>

>

>> " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

>

>> discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)

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[Guest guest]

Tough call on that one...

On 9/18/09 10:57 AM, " paramedic300@... " paramedic300@...>

wrote:

> --here I kept from askin' if one of the future litters that the dog sired had

> a pup named after him, and you're slappin his whole state...

>

> Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with SprintSpeed

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>

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> Re: Animals in the Ambulance? Treating animals?

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> The amazing this was not that he tried to kill the cocker spaniel or that it

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> was his mom¹s pet. The amazing thing is that they have electricity in

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> Louisiana.

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>> In a message dated 9/18/2009 10:14:24 A.M. Central Daylight Time,

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>> Grayson902@... writes:

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>

>> It was the right thing to do, seeing as how I'm the one that

>

>> electrocuted him and Mom would have been pissed to know I killed her pet.

>

>> Was that in the book?

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>> Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

>

>> FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

>

>> Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant

>

>>

>

>> LNMolino@...

>

>>

>

>> (Cell Phone)

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>>

>

>> " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

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>> " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

>

>> discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)

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[Guest guest]

LOL, nope. That was back during my dog training days. I was hooking up

flood lights for the exercise yard at my kennel, and apparently a wire

pulled loose and grounded against the chain link. When I turned on the

power, fourteen dogs yelped in surprise, and the dumb little Cocker got

the fence in his teeth and just locked up. By the time I figured out

what had happened and shut the power off, the little mutt was in arrest.

I did defibrillate a Chihuaha in the book, though. Unfortunately, he

survived.

lnmolino@... wrote:

>

> In a message dated 9/18/2009 10:14:24 A.M. Central Daylight Time,

> Grayson902@... writes:

>

> It was the right thing to do, seeing as how I'm the one that

> electrocuted him and Mom would have been pissed to know I killed her pet.

> Was that in the book?

>

> Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

> FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

> Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant

>

> LNMolino@...

>

> (Cell Phone)

>

> " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

>

> " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

> discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)

>

>

[Guest guest]

LOL, nope. That was back during my dog training days. I was hooking up

flood lights for the exercise yard at my kennel, and apparently a wire

pulled loose and grounded against the chain link. When I turned on the

power, fourteen dogs yelped in surprise, and the dumb little Cocker got

the fence in his teeth and just locked up. By the time I figured out

what had happened and shut the power off, the little mutt was in arrest.

I did defibrillate a Chihuaha in the book, though. Unfortunately, he

survived.

lnmolino@... wrote:

>

> In a message dated 9/18/2009 10:14:24 A.M. Central Daylight Time,

> Grayson902@... writes:

>

> It was the right thing to do, seeing as how I'm the one that

> electrocuted him and Mom would have been pissed to know I killed her pet.

> Was that in the book?

>

> Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

> FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

> Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant

>

> LNMolino@...

>

> (Cell Phone)

>

> " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

>

> " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

> discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)

>

>

[Guest guest]

Ummmm, how many joules do you use for a Chihuahua? Aieeeeeee, Chihuahua!

GG

>  

> LOL, nope. That was back during my dog training days. I was hooking up

> flood lights for the exercise yard at my kennel, and apparently a wire

> pulled loose and grounded against the chain link. When I turned on the

> power, fourteen dogs yelped in surprise, and the dumb little Cocker got

> the fence in his teeth and just locked up. By the time I figured out

> what had happened and shut the power off, the little mutt was in arrest.

>

> I did defibrillate a Chihuaha in the book, though. Unfortunately, he

> survived.

>

> lnmolino@... wrote:

> >

> > In a message dated 9/18/2009 10:14:24 A.M. Central Daylight Time,

> > Grayson902@... writes:

> >

> > It was the right thing to do, seeing as how I'm the one that

> > electrocuted him and Mom would have been pissed to know I killed her

> pet.

> > Was that in the book?

> >

> > Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

> > FF/NREMT-B/FSI/ FF/

> > Freelance Consultant/Trainer/ Freelance Consu Freelance

> Consultant/Traine

> >

> > LNMolino@...

> >

> > (Cell Phone)

> >

> > " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

> >

> > " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

> > discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Well, 200 joules will make him ricochet off the fireplace hearth and

skitter across the room yelping pitifully, accompanied by the stench of

scorched dog hair.

He hid in the other room for the rest of the call, which I am happy to

say resulted in a ROSC for his owner.

Rumors that the dog still twitches and yips like a rat with Tourette's

remain unconfirmed, since it's my understanding that is how most

Chihuaha's behave anyway.

wegandy1938@... wrote:

>

>

> Ummmm, how many joules do you use for a Chihuahua? Aieeeeeee, Chihuahua!

>

> GG

> In a message dated 9/18/09 10:43:46 AM, Grayson902@...

> writes:

>

> >

> > LOL, nope. That was back during my dog training days. I was hooking up

> > flood lights for the exercise yard at my kennel, and apparently a wire

> > pulled loose and grounded against the chain link. When I turned on the

> > power, fourteen dogs yelped in surprise, and the dumb little Cocker got

> > the fence in his teeth and just locked up. By the time I figured out

> > what had happened and shut the power off, the little mutt was in arrest.

> >

> > I did defibrillate a Chihuaha in the book, though. Unfortunately, he

> > survived.

> >

> > lnmolino@... wrote:

> > >

> > > In a message dated 9/18/2009 10:14:24 A.M. Central Daylight Time,

> > > Grayson902@...

> writes:

> > >

> > > It was the right thing to do, seeing as how I'm the one that

> > > electrocuted him and Mom would have been pissed to know I killed her

> > pet.

> > > Was that in the book?

> > >

> > > Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

> > > FF/NREMT-B/FSI/ FF/

> > > Freelance Consultant/Trainer/ Freelance Consu Freelance

> > Consultant/Traine

> > >

> > > LNMolino@...

>

> > >

> > > (Cell Phone)

> > >

> > > " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

> > >

> > > " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

> > > discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 -

> 1962)

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Well, 200 joules will make him ricochet off the fireplace hearth and

skitter across the room yelping pitifully, accompanied by the stench of

scorched dog hair.

He hid in the other room for the rest of the call, which I am happy to

say resulted in a ROSC for his owner.

Rumors that the dog still twitches and yips like a rat with Tourette's

remain unconfirmed, since it's my understanding that is how most

Chihuaha's behave anyway.

wegandy1938@... wrote:

>

>

> Ummmm, how many joules do you use for a Chihuahua? Aieeeeeee, Chihuahua!

>

> GG

> In a message dated 9/18/09 10:43:46 AM, Grayson902@...

> writes:

>

> >

> > LOL, nope. That was back during my dog training days. I was hooking up

> > flood lights for the exercise yard at my kennel, and apparently a wire

> > pulled loose and grounded against the chain link. When I turned on the

> > power, fourteen dogs yelped in surprise, and the dumb little Cocker got

> > the fence in his teeth and just locked up. By the time I figured out

> > what had happened and shut the power off, the little mutt was in arrest.

> >

> > I did defibrillate a Chihuaha in the book, though. Unfortunately, he

> > survived.

> >

> > lnmolino@... wrote:

> > >

> > > In a message dated 9/18/2009 10:14:24 A.M. Central Daylight Time,

> > > Grayson902@...

> writes:

> > >

> > > It was the right thing to do, seeing as how I'm the one that

> > > electrocuted him and Mom would have been pissed to know I killed her

> > pet.

> > > Was that in the book?

> > >

> > > Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

> > > FF/NREMT-B/FSI/ FF/

> > > Freelance Consultant/Trainer/ Freelance Consu Freelance

> > Consultant/Traine

> > >

> > > LNMolino@...

>

> > >

> > > (Cell Phone)

> > >

> > > " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

> > >

> > > " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

> > > discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 -

> 1962)

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Well, 200 joules will make him ricochet off the fireplace hearth and

skitter across the room yelping pitifully, accompanied by the stench of

scorched dog hair.

He hid in the other room for the rest of the call, which I am happy to

say resulted in a ROSC for his owner.

Rumors that the dog still twitches and yips like a rat with Tourette's

remain unconfirmed, since it's my understanding that is how most

Chihuaha's behave anyway.

wegandy1938@... wrote:

>

>

> Ummmm, how many joules do you use for a Chihuahua? Aieeeeeee, Chihuahua!

>

> GG

> In a message dated 9/18/09 10:43:46 AM, Grayson902@...

> writes:

>

> >

> > LOL, nope. That was back during my dog training days. I was hooking up

> > flood lights for the exercise yard at my kennel, and apparently a wire

> > pulled loose and grounded against the chain link. When I turned on the

> > power, fourteen dogs yelped in surprise, and the dumb little Cocker got

> > the fence in his teeth and just locked up. By the time I figured out

> > what had happened and shut the power off, the little mutt was in arrest.

> >

> > I did defibrillate a Chihuaha in the book, though. Unfortunately, he

> > survived.

> >

> > lnmolino@... wrote:

> > >

> > > In a message dated 9/18/2009 10:14:24 A.M. Central Daylight Time,

> > > Grayson902@...

> writes:

> > >

> > > It was the right thing to do, seeing as how I'm the one that

> > > electrocuted him and Mom would have been pissed to know I killed her

> > pet.

> > > Was that in the book?

> > >

> > > Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

> > > FF/NREMT-B/FSI/ FF/

> > > Freelance Consultant/Trainer/ Freelance Consu Freelance

> > Consultant/Traine

> > >

> > > LNMolino@...

>

> > >

> > > (Cell Phone)

> > >

> > > " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

> > >

> > > " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

> > > discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 -

> 1962)

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

What's there to be astounded by? From what I hear, this isn't the first time

's been seen kissing a dog.

Thom Seeber, CCEMT-P

Re: Animals in the Ambulance? Treating animals?

The amazing this was not that he tried to kill the cocker spaniel or that it

was his mom¹s pet. The amazing thing is that they have electricity in

Louisiana.

>

>

>

>

> In a message dated 9/18/2009 10:14:24 A.M. Central Daylight Time,

> Grayson902@... writes:

>

> It was the right thing to do, seeing as how I'm the one that

> electrocuted him and Mom would have been pissed to know I killed her pet.

> Was that in the book?

>

> Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

> FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

> Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection

Consultant

>

> LNMolino@...

>

> (Cell Phone)

>

> " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

>

> " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

> discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)

>

>

[Guest guest]

All right Thom, that's no way to talk about your sister!

Thom Seeber wrote:

>

>

> What's there to be astounded by? From what I hear, this isn't the

> first time

> 's been seen kissing a dog.

>

> Thom Seeber, CCEMT-P

>

> Re: Animals in the Ambulance? Treating animals?

>

> The amazing this was not that he tried to kill the cocker spaniel or

> that it

> was his mom¹s pet. The amazing thing is that they have electricity in

> Louisiana.

>

> On 9/18/09 10:31 AM, " lnmolino@... "

> lnmolino@... > wrote:

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> >

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 9/18/2009 10:14:24 A.M. Central Daylight Time,

> > Grayson902@...

> writes:

> >

> > It was the right thing to do, seeing as how I'm the one that

> > electrocuted him and Mom would have been pissed to know I killed her

> pet.

> > Was that in the book?

> >

> > Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

> > FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

> > Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection

> Consultant

> >

> > LNMolino@...

> >

> > (Cell Phone)

> >

> > " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

> >

> > " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

> > discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

That was without a doubt, my favorite story from the book.

Hatfield

" The main part of intellectual education is not the acquisition of facts but

learning how to make facts live. " - Oliver Wendell Holmes

www.michaelwhatfield.net

> > >

> > > In a message dated 9/18/2009 10:14:24 A.M. Central Daylight Time,

> > > Grayson902 (AT) aol (DOT) Gra

> writes:

> > >

> > > It was the right thing to do, seeing as how I'm the one that

> > > electrocuted him and Mom would have been pissed to know I killed her

> > pet.

> > > Was that in the book?

> > >

> > > Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

> > > FF/NREMT-B/FSI/ FF/

> > > Freelance Consultant/Trainer/ Freelance Consu Freelance

> > Consultant/Traine

> > >

> > > LNMolino (AT) aol (DOT) LNM

>

> > >

> > > (Cell Phone)

> > >

> > > " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

> > >

> > > " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

> > > discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 -

> 1962)

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I have done it several times.... . House fires etc... HOWEVER... I work as a

Veterinary Tech as well for the City....SO?!?! not sure how that falls but, i

think most have done it.

[Guest guest]

There is a vet. practice act. The vets. have a strong lobby. It keeps people

other than vets from making money providing care. In an emergency, you are

covered by the good samaritan law.It does not seperate BLS and ALS. Until you

receive money you are good. As far as your own animal, you can do any treatment

as long as it is humane. Remember the vets. are protecting their practice

> > > >

> > > > A service animal can go anywhere, federal law.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Lee

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-

> > > l ] On

> > > > Behalf Of spenair

> > > > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 11:59 AM

> > > > To: texasems-l

> > > > Subject: Animals in the Ambulance? Treating animals?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Are there any laws/rules about animals in the ambulance? A quick

> > > search did

> > > > not reveal anything but perhaps I missed it. Can a patients animal

> > > go with

> > > > them say from a wreck, or a service animal, or a police dog?

> > > >

> > > > Can you legally treat an animal? I have heard of some places

> > > keeping pet O2

> > > > masks even.

> > > >

> > > > Just wondering.

> > > >

> > > > Renny Spencer

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Have not heard from Maxie or other state people any Rules/regs/laws that we

would be in violation of if an animal were treated or transported in an

ambulance?

Thanks everyone for the replys.

Renny

> > > > > >

> > > > > > A service animal can go anywhere, federal law.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lee

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > From: texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem [mailto:texasems-

> > > > > l@...@y] On

> > > > > > Behalf Of spenair

> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 11:59 AM

> > > > > > To: texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem

> > > > > > Subject: Animals in the Ambulance? Treating animals?

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> > > > > > Are there any laws/rules about animals in the ambulance? A quick

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> > > > > > not reveal anything but perhaps I missed it. Can a patients animal

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> > > > > > them say from a wreck, or a service animal, or a police dog?

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> > > > > > Can you legally treat an animal? I have heard of some places

> > > > > keeping pet O2

> > > > > > masks even.

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> > > > > > Just wondering.

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> > > > > > Renny Spencer

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[Guest guest]

You can call me if you like. Recently addressed it in this area.

Pat Elmes, DSHS

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> > > > > > > A service animal can go anywhere, federal law.

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> > > > > > > Lee

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> > > > > > > From: texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem [mailto:texasems-

> > > > > > l@...@y] On

> > > > > > > Behalf Of spenair

> > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 11:59 AM

> > > > > > > To: texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem

> > > > > > > Subject: Animals in the Ambulance? Treating animals?

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> > > > > > > Are there any laws/rules about animals in the ambulance? A quick

> > > > > > search did

> > > > > > > not reveal anything but perhaps I missed it. Can a patients animal

> > > > > > go with

> > > > > > > them say from a wreck, or a service animal, or a police dog?

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> > > > > > > Can you legally treat an animal? I have heard of some places

> > > > > > keeping pet O2

> > > > > > > masks even.

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> > > > > > > Just wondering.

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> > > > > > > Renny Spencer

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[Guest guest]

Thank you will do when have time to talk. Would be nice though if posted so we

all make sure we are in compliance though.

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> > > > > > > > From: texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem [mailto:texasems-

> > > > > > > l@...@y] On

> > > > > > > > Behalf Of spenair

> > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 11:59 AM

> > > > > > > > To: texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem

> > > > > > > > Subject: Animals in the Ambulance? Treating

animals?

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> > > > > > > > Are there any laws/rules about animals in the ambulance? A quick

> > > > > > > search did

> > > > > > > > not reveal anything but perhaps I missed it. Can a patients

animal

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> > > > > > > > them say from a wreck, or a service animal, or a police dog?

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> > > > > > > > Can you legally treat an animal? I have heard of some places

> > > > > > > keeping pet O2

> > > > > > > > masks even.

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> > > > > > > > Just wondering.

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> > > > > > > > Renny Spencer

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[Guest guest]

Thank you will do when have time to talk. Would be nice though if posted so we

all make sure we are in compliance though.

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> > > > > > > > From: texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem [mailto:texasems-

> > > > > > > l@...@y] On

> > > > > > > > Behalf Of spenair

> > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 11:59 AM

> > > > > > > > To: texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem

> > > > > > > > Subject: Animals in the Ambulance? Treating

animals?

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> > > > > > > > Are there any laws/rules about animals in the ambulance? A quick

> > > > > > > search did

> > > > > > > > not reveal anything but perhaps I missed it. Can a patients

animal

> > > > > > > go with

> > > > > > > > them say from a wreck, or a service animal, or a police dog?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Can you legally treat an animal? I have heard of some places

> > > > > > > keeping pet O2

> > > > > > > > masks even.

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> > > > > > > > Just wondering.

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> > > > > > > > Renny Spencer

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[Guest guest]

Thank you will do when have time to talk. Would be nice though if posted so we

all make sure we are in compliance though.

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> > > > > > > > A service animal can go anywhere, federal law.

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> > > > > > > > From: texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem [mailto:texasems-

> > > > > > > l@...@y] On

> > > > > > > > Behalf Of spenair

> > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 11:59 AM

> > > > > > > > To: texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem

> > > > > > > > Subject: Animals in the Ambulance? Treating

animals?

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> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Are there any laws/rules about animals in the ambulance? A quick

> > > > > > > search did

> > > > > > > > not reveal anything but perhaps I missed it. Can a patients

animal

> > > > > > > go with

> > > > > > > > them say from a wreck, or a service animal, or a police dog?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Can you legally treat an animal? I have heard of some places

> > > > > > > keeping pet O2

> > > > > > > > masks even.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Just wondering.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Renny Spencer

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[Guest guest]

Here is an example from Canada. If we pushed Morphine on a dog would we still

be certified?

April 10, 2009

Drugs for dog probed

Questions raised after medics administer morphine to injured german shepherd

By NADIA MOHARIB, SUN MEDIA

Justice, owned by RCMP Cpl. Blake, was hit by a garbage truck and suffered

critical injuries.

Two medics are being investigated after giving a dying dog painkillers as he sat

unable to move in the middle of a street, his owner refusing to leave his side.

And the off-duty Mountie with Justice, the dog struck by a garbage truck on Deer

Ridge Dr. S.E. on April 1, has nothing but accolades for their compassionate

actions.

" They were obviously there to treat me but they also helped Justice, " Cpl.

Blake said yesterday.

" It was heartbreaking ... but everybody was very supportive and professional and

did an amazing job. "

Blake had broken fingers and serious bite wounds inflicted by Justice, but

wouldn't leave his beloved dog's side. Each time he tried, his loyal German

shepherd struggled to drag his broken body to follow.

Bleeding profusely, with open fractures and crying in pain, there was also the

risk the nine-year-old canine, who had never bitten before, would hurt someone

else trying to help.

" They couldn't deal with me because every time I moved, Justice would try to get

up, " said Blake, who is off work while his injuries heal.

" I didn't even feel anything because my dog was going through so much pain ...

and the only way to move him was to sedate him. "

Paramedics, faced with the unique scenario -- and no rule book to deal with it

-- decided to treat Justice to allow medics to treat Blake and ensure no one

else was hurt.

With no muzzle, no vet willing to come to the scene and animal services still on

their way, they gave Justice painkillers. Justice's pain subsided enough for

bylaw workers to take him to a vet, where he was euthanized.

Alberta Health Service's Stuart Brideaux, with Calgary EMS, said medics'

priority is to care for people.

There is no protocol to treat animals.

Although it is the first time he recalls crews medicating one, there is

certainly precedence for giving basic care to injured animals.

" It wouldn't be inappropriate to do some first aid, " Brideaux said.

" It comes down to the discretion of the crew, on a case-by-case basis. "

He said this case is " very atypical, " and although medics had " the patient's and

the dog's best interests at heart, " it warrants investigation as " an opportunity

for learning. "

Union officials share that stance.

Rick Fraser, CUPE 3421 president, said he hopes the veteran pair face no

penalties for the doing " the right thing " when finding horrified bystanders and

an off-duty nurse trying to comfort a mortally injured dog and a distraught and

hurt patient in the street as children filed out of a nearby school. The truck's

driver was also at the scene.

It took bylaw more than a half hour to arrive -- city officials are

investigating a 15-minute delay for the call to be dispatched -- leaving medics

the only ones able to help.

" They limited the dog bite to one person, " Fraser said, adding the medics didn't

take the decision lightly.

" They were on the telephone with a vet walking them through to make sure they

had the correct dosage. "

He said the case is scenario where, to treat a patient, medics had to treat a

pet.

" Clearly, our number one concern is for the patient but when the patient refuses

to be looked at because they are worried about their dog, you have to do what's

best to treat the patient, " he said.

Officials could not say if the outcome of the investigation would lead to

disciplanary action, although the case will ideally be used as a learning

experience.

But Fraser hopes, rather than prompting " armchair quarterbacks " to dole out

discipline, the incident serves as a reminder rules aren't always tailored to

apply at every call in the dynamic field.

" It doesn't always fit into a nice little protocol box and this was out of the

box thinking and in my point of view, these medics should be commended, " he

said.

Blake agrees.

He said it " would be a shame " if the medics faced any consequences when the

pair, who are paid to give medical care, did just that when faced with limited

options.

He said it is one of many cases where emergency crews, be it police, fire or

EMS, realize caring for a pet is " part and parcel " in a bid to care for a

patient.

" We are caring human beings, that's why we do this job, " the 19-year police

veteran said.

" I don't think anyone in (emergency services) draws the line and says 'This is

not our jurisdiction.' "

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