Re: PA ahead of TX. State promotes less use of L&S

[Guest guest]

Do we need a statement from the State in order to do this? Aren't most agencies

already restricting the use of lights and sirens for transport? I know it is

very unusual for us transport with lights and sirens.

Maxine Pate

hire EMS

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>Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 21:10:16 -0000

>

>Subject: PA ahead of TX. State promotes less use of L&S

>To: texasems-l

>

> There is more in the article. So maybe Texas needs

> to limit its use

> of L&S. Do we have a statement such as this here in

> Texas:

>

> " He said Pennsylvania Department of Health

> guidelines state that

> ambulances should not use lights and sirens while

> going to a hospital

> unless a critically injured patient is onboard and

> emergency medical

> personnel believe the time saved by traveling at

> emergency speed will

> benefit the patient. "

>

> Renny

>

>

[Guest guest]

Do we need a statement from the State in order to do this? Aren't most agencies

already restricting the use of lights and sirens for transport? I know it is

very unusual for us transport with lights and sirens.

Maxine Pate

hire EMS

---- Original message ----

>Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 21:10:16 -0000

>

>Subject: PA ahead of TX. State promotes less use of L&S

>To: texasems-l

>

> There is more in the article. So maybe Texas needs

> to limit its use

> of L&S. Do we have a statement such as this here in

> Texas:

>

> " He said Pennsylvania Department of Health

> guidelines state that

> ambulances should not use lights and sirens while

> going to a hospital

> unless a critically injured patient is onboard and

> emergency medical

> personnel believe the time saved by traveling at

> emergency speed will

> benefit the patient. "

>

> Renny

>

>

[Guest guest]

Do we need a statement from the State in order to do this? Aren't most agencies

already restricting the use of lights and sirens for transport? I know it is

very unusual for us transport with lights and sirens.

Maxine Pate

hire EMS

---- Original message ----

>Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 21:10:16 -0000

>

>Subject: PA ahead of TX. State promotes less use of L&S

>To: texasems-l

>

> There is more in the article. So maybe Texas needs

> to limit its use

> of L&S. Do we have a statement such as this here in

> Texas:

>

> " He said Pennsylvania Department of Health

> guidelines state that

> ambulances should not use lights and sirens while

> going to a hospital

> unless a critically injured patient is onboard and

> emergency medical

> personnel believe the time saved by traveling at

> emergency speed will

> benefit the patient. "

>

> Renny

>

>

[Guest guest]

Heck you can go from one side of the state to the other in 10 minutes. If you

want to regulate driving start with law enforcement.

Henry

PA ahead of TX. State promotes less use of L&S

http://www.emsresponder.com/article/article.jsp?id=9074&siteSection=1

" Exeter Ambulance Association announced last week that its crews no

longer will activate sirens and emergency lights on most calls.

Officials cited studies and updated state guidelines as the reasoning

for the policy change.

" Statistics show using lights and sirens in many instances doesn't

get a crew to a scene of an emergency any faster, " said Rich Bowers, "

" While no major changes in protocol have been made, the state has

been trying to discourage the unnecessary use of sirens and lights,

Schmider said. "

There is more in the article. So maybe Texas needs to limit its use

of L&S. Do we have a statement such as this here in Texas:

" He said Pennsylvania Department of Health guidelines state that

ambulances should not use lights and sirens while going to a hospital

unless a critically injured patient is onboard and emergency medical

personnel believe the time saved by traveling at emergency speed will

benefit the patient. "

Renny

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23:02:00

[Guest guest]

Well said ! It seems LE can drive fast-----------PERIOD!

 

 

Subject: Re: PA ahead of TX. State promotes less use of L&S

To: texasems-l

Date: Tuesday, March 3, 2009, 8:11 AM

Heck you can go from one side of the state to the other in 10 minutes. If you

want to regulate driving start with law enforcement.

Henry

PA ahead of TX. State promotes less use of L&S

http://www.emsrespo nder.com/ article/article. jsp?id=9074& siteSection= 1

" Exeter Ambulance Association announced last week that its crews no

longer will activate sirens and emergency lights on most calls.

Officials cited studies and updated state guidelines as the reasoning

for the policy change.

" Statistics show using lights and sirens in many instances doesn't

get a crew to a scene of an emergency any faster, " said Rich Bowers, "

" While no major changes in protocol have been made, the state has

been trying to discourage the unnecessary use of sirens and lights,

Schmider said. "

There is more in the article. So maybe Texas needs to limit its use

of L&S. Do we have a statement such as this here in Texas:

" He said Pennsylvania Department of Health guidelines state that

ambulances should not use lights and sirens while going to a hospital

unless a critically injured patient is onboard and emergency medical

personnel believe the time saved by traveling at emergency speed will

benefit the patient. "

Renny

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23:02:00

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Well....you would think so....but here are the numbers:

Deaths per 100,000 workers due to transportation accidents:

Police: ~ 6.0 Transportation Fatalities / 100,000 cops?

Fire:? ~5.5 Transportation Fatalities / 100,000 firefighters

EMS: ~9.7 Transportation Fatalities / 100,000 medics (EMT's and PM's)

and 74% of these occur while running lights and sirens....SO.....since there are

many more cops than EMT's....and the cops are driving a much larger proportion

of the time...I don't think the walls of our glass houses can stand many

stones....

ANYTHING we do to limit the usage of Lights and Sirens will have a

positive?effect on the numbers of EMS folks that are alive a year from now.

Dudley

Re: PA ahead of TX. State promotes less use of L&S

To: texasems-l

Date: Tuesday, March 3, 2009, 8:11 AM

Heck you can go from one side of the state to the other in 10 minutes. If you

want to regulate driving start with law enforcement.

Henry

PA ahead of TX. State promotes less use of L&S

http://www.emsrespo nder.com/ article/article. jsp?id=9074& siteSection= 1

" Exeter Ambulance Association announced last week that its crews no

longer will activate sirens and emergency lights on most calls.

Officials cited studies and updated state guidelines as the reasoning

for the policy change.

" Statistics show using lights and sirens in many instances doesn't

get a crew to a scene of an emergency any faster, " said Rich Bowers, "

" While no major changes in protocol have been made, the state has

been trying to discourage the unnecessary use of sirens and lights,

Schmider said. "

There is more in the article. So maybe Texas needs to limit its use

of L&S. Do we have a statement such as this here in Texas:

" He said Pennsylvania Department of Health guidelines state that

ambulances should not use lights and sirens while going to a hospital

unless a critically injured patient is onboard and emergency medical

personnel believe the time saved by traveling at emergency speed will

benefit the patient. "

Renny

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Point read and understood.

From: Henry Barber

Subject: Re: PA ahead of TX. State promotes less use of L&S

To: texasems-l@yahoogro ups.com

Date: Tuesday, March 3, 2009, 8:11 AM

Heck you can go from one side of the state to the other in 10 minutes. If you

want to regulate driving start with law enforcement.

Henry

PA ahead of TX. State promotes less use of L&S

http://www.emsrespo nder.com/ article/article. jsp?id=9074& siteSection= 1

" Exeter Ambulance Association announced last week that its crews no

longer will activate sirens and emergency lights on most calls.

Officials cited studies and updated state guidelines as the reasoning

for the policy change.

" Statistics show using lights and sirens in many instances doesn't

get a crew to a scene of an emergency any faster, " said Rich Bowers, "

" While no major changes in protocol have been made, the state has

been trying to discourage the unnecessary use of sirens and lights,

Schmider said. "

There is more in the article. So maybe Texas needs to limit its use

of L&S. Do we have a statement such as this here in Texas:

" He said Pennsylvania Department of Health guidelines state that

ambulances should not use lights and sirens while going to a hospital

unless a critically injured patient is onboard and emergency medical

personnel believe the time saved by traveling at emergency speed will

benefit the patient. "

Renny

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On Tuesday, March 3, 2009 19:27, THEDUDMAN@... said:

>

> Deaths per 100,000 workers due to transportation accidents:

>

> Police: ~ 6.0 Transportation Fatalities / 100,000 cops?

> Fire:? ~5.5 Transportation Fatalities / 100,000 firefighters

> EMS: ~9.7 Transportation Fatalities / 100,000 medics (EMT's and PM's)

>

> and 74% of these occur while running lights and sirens....

Dudley, I completely agree about the positive benefits of limiting L&S usage.

No argument intended here. I'm just looking for some clarification on the above

numbers.

Is the 74 percent speaking only of EMS, or all three figures?

And not to pick the same old scab, but are all the non-EMS transfer ambulances

included in the EMS numbers? Those guys are logging an awful lot of miles,

rarely driving with L&S, so it would seem to skew our numbers a bit if they are

included.

Rob

[Guest guest]

On Tuesday, March 3, 2009 19:27, THEDUDMAN@... said:

>

> Deaths per 100,000 workers due to transportation accidents:

>

> Police: ~ 6.0 Transportation Fatalities / 100,000 cops?

> Fire:? ~5.5 Transportation Fatalities / 100,000 firefighters

> EMS: ~9.7 Transportation Fatalities / 100,000 medics (EMT's and PM's)

>

> and 74% of these occur while running lights and sirens....

Dudley, I completely agree about the positive benefits of limiting L&S usage.

No argument intended here. I'm just looking for some clarification on the above

numbers.

Is the 74 percent speaking only of EMS, or all three figures?

And not to pick the same old scab, but are all the non-EMS transfer ambulances

included in the EMS numbers? Those guys are logging an awful lot of miles,

rarely driving with L&S, so it would seem to skew our numbers a bit if they are

included.

Rob

[Guest guest]

Rob,

The 74% number is for ambulances only or in other words, 74% of fatal EMS

accidents occur while the vehicle is using lights and sirens.? These stats come

from a retrospective study done a few years back because there is no universal

reporting mechanism for ambulance accidents so the researches combed police

reports, media and other sources in an attempt to find all of the deaths in EMS

and then studied how many were from vehicle accidents.

On the agencies who do a majority of inter-facility transfers, I am not sure

where you are, but around these parts?some of them seem to?run emergency as much

if not more (anecdotal) than some of the 911 agencies...

Dudley

Re: PA ahead of TX. State promotes less use of L&S

On Tuesday, March 3, 2009 19:27, THEDUDMAN@... said:

>

> Deaths per 100,000 workers due to transportation accidents:

>

> Police: ~ 6.0 Transportation Fatalities / 100,000 cops?

> Fire:? ~5.5 Transportation Fatalities / 100,000 firefighters

> EMS: ~9.7 Transportation Fatalities / 100,000 medics (EMT's and PM's)

>

> and 74% of these occur while running lights and sirens....

Dudley, I completely agree about the positive benefits of limiting L&S usage. No

argument intended here. I'm just looking for some clarification on the above

numbers.

Is the 74 percent speaking only of EMS, or all three figures?

And not to pick the same old scab, but are all the non-EMS transfer ambulances

included in the EMS numbers? Those guys are logging an awful lot of miles,

rarely driving with L&S, so it would seem to skew our numbers a bit if they are

included.

Rob

[Guest guest]

Rob,

The 74% number is for ambulances only or in other words, 74% of fatal EMS

accidents occur while the vehicle is using lights and sirens.? These stats come

from a retrospective study done a few years back because there is no universal

reporting mechanism for ambulance accidents so the researches combed police

reports, media and other sources in an attempt to find all of the deaths in EMS

and then studied how many were from vehicle accidents.

On the agencies who do a majority of inter-facility transfers, I am not sure

where you are, but around these parts?some of them seem to?run emergency as much

if not more (anecdotal) than some of the 911 agencies...

Dudley

Re: PA ahead of TX. State promotes less use of L&S

On Tuesday, March 3, 2009 19:27, THEDUDMAN@... said:

>

> Deaths per 100,000 workers due to transportation accidents:

>

> Police: ~ 6.0 Transportation Fatalities / 100,000 cops?

> Fire:? ~5.5 Transportation Fatalities / 100,000 firefighters

> EMS: ~9.7 Transportation Fatalities / 100,000 medics (EMT's and PM's)

>

> and 74% of these occur while running lights and sirens....

Dudley, I completely agree about the positive benefits of limiting L&S usage. No

argument intended here. I'm just looking for some clarification on the above

numbers.

Is the 74 percent speaking only of EMS, or all three figures?

And not to pick the same old scab, but are all the non-EMS transfer ambulances

included in the EMS numbers? Those guys are logging an awful lot of miles,

rarely driving with L&S, so it would seem to skew our numbers a bit if they are

included.

Rob

[Guest guest]

Rob,

The 74% number is for ambulances only or in other words, 74% of fatal EMS

accidents occur while the vehicle is using lights and sirens.? These stats come

from a retrospective study done a few years back because there is no universal

reporting mechanism for ambulance accidents so the researches combed police

reports, media and other sources in an attempt to find all of the deaths in EMS

and then studied how many were from vehicle accidents.

On the agencies who do a majority of inter-facility transfers, I am not sure

where you are, but around these parts?some of them seem to?run emergency as much

if not more (anecdotal) than some of the 911 agencies...

Dudley

Re: PA ahead of TX. State promotes less use of L&S

On Tuesday, March 3, 2009 19:27, THEDUDMAN@... said:

>

> Deaths per 100,000 workers due to transportation accidents:

>

> Police: ~ 6.0 Transportation Fatalities / 100,000 cops?

> Fire:? ~5.5 Transportation Fatalities / 100,000 firefighters

> EMS: ~9.7 Transportation Fatalities / 100,000 medics (EMT's and PM's)

>

> and 74% of these occur while running lights and sirens....

Dudley, I completely agree about the positive benefits of limiting L&S usage. No

argument intended here. I'm just looking for some clarification on the above

numbers.

Is the 74 percent speaking only of EMS, or all three figures?

And not to pick the same old scab, but are all the non-EMS transfer ambulances

included in the EMS numbers? Those guys are logging an awful lot of miles,

rarely driving with L&S, so it would seem to skew our numbers a bit if they are

included.

Rob