Re: Urgent alert for ALL First Responders/EMS Personnel

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A quick Google search reveals that " Bonide " is actually the name of a fairly

large agrochemical company, with a number of products (16 containing sulfur

in one form or another alone).

from the Pasadena Independent

Engine 37 from Pasadena established a staging area down wind for incoming

units and contacted PPD to gather more information. Battalion 3 arrived on

scene and established Halstead command. Upon further investigation and

information gathered from PPD, it was determined that the LACO specialized

haz-mat unit

would be needed. The chemicals were unknown and the area including several

businesses was evacuated as a precaution. The haz-mat team approached and

evaluated the vehicle and surrounding area.

Anybody see anything *WRONG* with this paragraph?

and later:

A strong smell of sulpher was whisked into the early evening air and the

apparently dead body of the driver was visible.

no mention of the individual chemicals was made.

The link to the article from Georgia returns a sys error, and without a

date, will be difficult to find.

From my knowledge of chemistry, the most likely combination would be Lime

Sulfur Concentrate:

_http://www.bonideproducts.com/lbonide/msds/msds325.pdf_

(http://www.bonideproducts.com/lbonide/msds/msds325.pdf)

This, in combination with Muriatic acid (crude Hydrochloric acid) would give

off Hydrogen Sulphide (H2S) gas. Those of you in the oil producing areas

will recognize H2S as the lethal component of 'sour gas' from oil wells. While

H2S is rapidly fatal to the unprotected individual in relatively low

concentrations, AND is a very effective nasal anesthetic (i.e., sub lethal

concentrations numb the nose so you don't get adequate warning if you are

heading into a

higher (lethal) concentration), SCBA equipment and turn out gear should give

adequate protection. There are some PAPR/HazMat C set ups that will provide

short term protection, but if it were my butt on the line, I'd prefer the

SCBA or a certified air delivery system drawing from *UPWIND* of the scene.

Hope this helps some.

ck

S. Krin, DO

In a message dated 3/3/2009 03:57:43 Central Standard Time,

david.allman@... writes:

Person Down in Auto/New way to commit suicide

Recently a new way to commit suicide has been discovered by mixing two

chemicals that can be bought over the counter at local stores. They are

Bonide - a sulfur spray used as an insecticide for fruit trees and

hydrochloric (muriatic) acid. Once mixed, the chemicals produce heat

and a flammable, noxious gas that causes the subject to pass out and the

heart stop within minutes. The process appears to be quick and

painless. Two recent cases, one in Pasadena, California and the other

at Lake Allatoona in Bartow County, Georgia, involved young men in their

early 20's. Both were found locked inside their cars with the

chemicals. Each left a note on the car warning anyone around of danger.

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