Guest guest Posted May 27, 2007 Report Share Posted May 27, 2007 Hello all, Just saw my dr. I explained all my latest symptoms and that they point to adrenal insufficiency(i.e. heart racing and palpitations,adrenal like rushes,shortness of breath cold hands and feet,shaking,weakness, startle with noises etc.). I've been on t4 thyroid only therapy for a number of years and haven't experienced any improvements with hypo symptoms. Also did the pupil dilation test and it clearly expressed weak adrenals (pupils dilated and fluttered instead of constricting). My dr. was familiar with Jefferies protocol for cortisol use, but was hesitant in giving me a trial. He said he had seen cases where patients developed osteoporosis and that the cortisol can be hard to wean off of. I have been magnesium defecient for many years. My rbc mg is always too low, sometimes even when on high doses of mg citrate(mercury being the culprit I assume). He said many of these symptoms could be explained with mg deficiency, even the pupil test! but I don't believe that's the cause of these dibilitating symptoms i've had for 2 mos. now. He said maybe with mg i.v.'s we could get my levels up and I should start on T4 only again (i've been off for 2 weeks) and said T3 could cause heart palpitations. I've read that you treat your adrenals first . He said that Jefferies book was old stuff. I don't know where to go from here. He suggested a 4 point cortisol saliva test costing $200. I am in Toronto area. Is it possible get Isocort OTC and how does it differ from HC? or even HC without Rx? Is Canary club any cheaper for hormone saliva test? I've had very low levels of dhea(blood tests) in the past and now taking 50 mg a day seems to have improved this (dr. says low dhea can mean you have high not low cortisol?????) I've been trying to chelate with dmsa but can barely tolerate even the smallest dose. I think weak adrenals and hypothyroidism are playing a role in my ability to chelate without intolerable symptoms. I want to do the right thing. Any comments and suggestions would be very much appreciated. Thanks to all, Frances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2007 Report Share Posted May 27, 2007 > He said maybe with mg i.v.'s we could get my levels up and I should > start on T4 only again (i've been off for 2 weeks) and said T3 could > cause heart palpitations. IMR>>>For me, it's the other way around. Andy has also d=said that it i actually the T4 and not the T3 that makes the heart go thumpity thump. I am not real clear on all this, just that it has been my own experience as well. > I've read that you treat your adrenals > first . He said that Jefferies book was old stuff. I don't know > where to go from here. He suggested a 4 point cortisol saliva test > costing $200. I am in Toronto area. Is it possible get Isocort OTC > and how does it differ from HC? IMR>>Isocort is basically very weak compared to H/C. Myself, I can not even use H/C most of the time and need the stronger prednisolone. I do not have a source at hand, but I ahve seenIsocort for sale online before severa times. Isocort has the added benefit that is has a wider spectrum of hormones than H/C. For some folks this can be a plus, for others it is not good, as it also contain adrenaline. > or even HC without Rx? IMR>>>>>>>>> Email me private and I will givey ou that source. Seriously, though, Your doctor does ahve a point, but they are usually a little overly cautious as Hg certainly causes a lot of adrenal stress and needs treating if things get bad. IMHO, if I were you I would order the Isocort and see if that works for you, mostly becasue it IS weaker, and MIGHT give you what you need. Some foks really do well with it, whereas others, like myself, feel almost nothing from it. But being it is the weakest, it makes good sense to stat with it. > Is Canary > club any cheaper for hormone saliva test? IMR>>>>DUnno, Check for yorself, or wait and see if anybody else can answer that. > I've had very low levels > of dhea(blood tests) in the past and now taking 50 mg a day seems to > have improved this (dr. says low dhea can mean you have high not low > cortisol?????) > I've been trying to chelate with dmsa but can barely tolerate even > the smallest dose. I think weak adrenals and hypothyroidism are > playing a role in my ability to chelate without intolerable symptoms. > I want to do the right thing. > > Any comments and suggestions would be very much appreciated. IMR>>>>>>>Do a VERY low dose chelation protocol and try the Isocort. I had to start with micro-mini doses, but even that helped me get better, until I codul start doing a little more. ~Inga > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2007 Report Share Posted May 27, 2007 > He said maybe with mg i.v.'s we could get my levels up and I should > start on T4 only again (i've been off for 2 weeks) and said T3 could > cause heart palpitations. IMR>>>For me, it's the other way around. Andy has also d=said that it i actually the T4 and not the T3 that makes the heart go thumpity thump. I am not real clear on all this, just that it has been my own experience as well. > I've read that you treat your adrenals > first . He said that Jefferies book was old stuff. I don't know > where to go from here. He suggested a 4 point cortisol saliva test > costing $200. I am in Toronto area. Is it possible get Isocort OTC > and how does it differ from HC? IMR>>Isocort is basically very weak compared to H/C. Myself, I can not even use H/C most of the time and need the stronger prednisolone. I do not have a source at hand, but I ahve seenIsocort for sale online before severa times. Isocort has the added benefit that is has a wider spectrum of hormones than H/C. For some folks this can be a plus, for others it is not good, as it also contain adrenaline. > or even HC without Rx? IMR>>>>>>>>> Email me private and I will givey ou that source. Seriously, though, Your doctor does ahve a point, but they are usually a little overly cautious as Hg certainly causes a lot of adrenal stress and needs treating if things get bad. IMHO, if I were you I would order the Isocort and see if that works for you, mostly becasue it IS weaker, and MIGHT give you what you need. Some foks really do well with it, whereas others, like myself, feel almost nothing from it. But being it is the weakest, it makes good sense to stat with it. > Is Canary > club any cheaper for hormone saliva test? IMR>>>>DUnno, Check for yorself, or wait and see if anybody else can answer that. > I've had very low levels > of dhea(blood tests) in the past and now taking 50 mg a day seems to > have improved this (dr. says low dhea can mean you have high not low > cortisol?????) > I've been trying to chelate with dmsa but can barely tolerate even > the smallest dose. I think weak adrenals and hypothyroidism are > playing a role in my ability to chelate without intolerable symptoms. > I want to do the right thing. > > Any comments and suggestions would be very much appreciated. IMR>>>>>>>Do a VERY low dose chelation protocol and try the Isocort. I had to start with micro-mini doses, but even that helped me get better, until I codul start doing a little more. ~Inga > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2007 Report Share Posted May 27, 2007 > He said maybe with mg i.v.'s we could get my levels up and I should > start on T4 only again (i've been off for 2 weeks) and said T3 could > cause heart palpitations. IMR>>>For me, it's the other way around. Andy has also d=said that it i actually the T4 and not the T3 that makes the heart go thumpity thump. I am not real clear on all this, just that it has been my own experience as well. > I've read that you treat your adrenals > first . He said that Jefferies book was old stuff. I don't know > where to go from here. He suggested a 4 point cortisol saliva test > costing $200. I am in Toronto area. Is it possible get Isocort OTC > and how does it differ from HC? IMR>>Isocort is basically very weak compared to H/C. Myself, I can not even use H/C most of the time and need the stronger prednisolone. I do not have a source at hand, but I ahve seenIsocort for sale online before severa times. Isocort has the added benefit that is has a wider spectrum of hormones than H/C. For some folks this can be a plus, for others it is not good, as it also contain adrenaline. > or even HC without Rx? IMR>>>>>>>>> Email me private and I will givey ou that source. Seriously, though, Your doctor does ahve a point, but they are usually a little overly cautious as Hg certainly causes a lot of adrenal stress and needs treating if things get bad. IMHO, if I were you I would order the Isocort and see if that works for you, mostly becasue it IS weaker, and MIGHT give you what you need. Some foks really do well with it, whereas others, like myself, feel almost nothing from it. But being it is the weakest, it makes good sense to stat with it. > Is Canary > club any cheaper for hormone saliva test? IMR>>>>DUnno, Check for yorself, or wait and see if anybody else can answer that. > I've had very low levels > of dhea(blood tests) in the past and now taking 50 mg a day seems to > have improved this (dr. says low dhea can mean you have high not low > cortisol?????) > I've been trying to chelate with dmsa but can barely tolerate even > the smallest dose. I think weak adrenals and hypothyroidism are > playing a role in my ability to chelate without intolerable symptoms. > I want to do the right thing. > > Any comments and suggestions would be very much appreciated. IMR>>>>>>>Do a VERY low dose chelation protocol and try the Isocort. I had to start with micro-mini doses, but even that helped me get better, until I codul start doing a little more. ~Inga > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2007 Report Share Posted May 28, 2007 --- *****Hope my comments help you a little bit!...***** In frequent-dose-chelation , " Frances " wrote: > > Hello all, > > Just saw my dr. I explained all my latest symptoms and that they > point to adrenal insufficiency(i.e. heart racing and > palpitations,adrenal like rushes,shortness of breath cold hands and > feet,shaking,weakness, startle with noises etc.). I've been on t4 > thyroid only therapy for a number of years and haven't experienced > any improvements with hypo symptoms. ***** This is really common with T4 therapy only and I could write you an essay on this subject!!! (well, I could if my brain would function properly!) Anyway, 1st, there is often a conversion problems of T4 to T3. T3 is the active hormone and so if your body doesn't onvert very well (very common!) then you simply are not getting the thyroid hormone that you need. Second problem is that you may simply not be on enough T4. (you can't tell if you are converting without blood testing of Free T4 and Free T3) Most Doctors seem to not prescribe enough T4 even in people who do convert well. (and most Doctors never test the free's either). They go by the TSH test or the T4 test alone which are simply not an accurate picture. This is all a bit complex but you can learn loads or verify wht I am talking about at somewhere like www.stopthethyroidmadness.com or the yahoo groups discussing natural thyroid therapy. Some people do OK on just T4 but most do not and need a mixture of synthetic T4 and T3 or a product such as Armour Thyroid which is natural and has both in. ***** > Also did the pupil dilation test and it clearly expressed weak > adrenals (pupils dilated and fluttered instead of constricting). > My dr. was familiar with Jefferies protocol for cortisol use, but > was hesitant in giving me a trial. He said he had seen cases where > patients developed osteoporosis and that the cortisol can be hard to > wean off of. ***** Again, this is a common misconception amoungst Doctors and simply isn't the case. If someone needs physiological doses of adrenal hormones then they will not suffer any side effects like that. I would bet money on you having some degree of adrenal weakness and all the time this is not addressed you will probably not be able to tolerate adequate doses of thyroid hormone anyway. The two are so closely interlinked. You can not treat the thyroid if adrenal weakness isn't also addressed.***** I have been magnesium defecient for many years. My > rbc mg is always too low, sometimes even when on high doses of mg > citrate(mercury being the culprit I assume). He said many of these > symptoms could be explained with mg deficiency, even the pupil test! > but I don't believe that's the cause of these dibilitating symptoms > i've had for 2 mos. now. *****Your magnesium may well be low also. I think most of us have the same problem. But you shouldn't let that stop you sorting out your adrenals. There are many posts about how to raise magnesium on this site also. ***** > He said maybe with mg i.v.'s we could get my levels up and I should > start on T4 only again (i've been off for 2 weeks) and said T3 could > cause heart palpitations. I've read that you treat your adrenals > first . *****Trust yourself. You have obviously been reading up about all this. I don't know about mg IV's but might be a good idea - definately something to look into. Perhaps someone else here will comment on that.***** He said that Jefferies book was old stuff. ***** May be an old book but it is so spot on. This was used back in the olden days before Doctors started relying on lab tests and stopped using their clinical judgement and common sense.***** He suggested a 4 point cortisol saliva test costing $200. ***** SOunds like he is quite a braod minded Doctor! You are lucky as most Doctors laugh at the mention of a saliva test! Saliva testing 4 times in a 24 hour period is considered the best way to get a picture of your adrenal function and it's natural cycles. If he is willing to support you with this test I would DEFINITELY fo for it!!!***** I've had very low levels of dhea(blood tests) in the past and now taking 50 mg a day seems to have improved this (dr. says low dhea can mean you have high not low ***** You can definitely have low DHEA and low cortisol. ***** > I've been trying to chelate with dmsa but can barely tolerate even > the smallest dose. I think weak adrenals and hypothyroidism are > playing a role in my ability to chelate without intolerable symptoms. *****I think you are spot on with that statement. I know Andy says that adrenals and thyroid are one of the things that hinder chelation or make the symptoms much worse. In my own experience and having spoken to others with weak adrenals, it is very much so. I am having trouble tolerating tiny doses of DMSA because of my adrenals even though they are well supported.***** > I want to do the right thing. > > Any comments and suggestions would be very much appreciated. > > Thanks to all, > Frances. >***** Hope this helps you a little! ***** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2007 Report Share Posted May 28, 2007 --- *****Hope my comments help you a little bit!...***** In frequent-dose-chelation , " Frances " wrote: > > Hello all, > > Just saw my dr. I explained all my latest symptoms and that they > point to adrenal insufficiency(i.e. heart racing and > palpitations,adrenal like rushes,shortness of breath cold hands and > feet,shaking,weakness, startle with noises etc.). I've been on t4 > thyroid only therapy for a number of years and haven't experienced > any improvements with hypo symptoms. ***** This is really common with T4 therapy only and I could write you an essay on this subject!!! (well, I could if my brain would function properly!) Anyway, 1st, there is often a conversion problems of T4 to T3. T3 is the active hormone and so if your body doesn't onvert very well (very common!) then you simply are not getting the thyroid hormone that you need. Second problem is that you may simply not be on enough T4. (you can't tell if you are converting without blood testing of Free T4 and Free T3) Most Doctors seem to not prescribe enough T4 even in people who do convert well. (and most Doctors never test the free's either). They go by the TSH test or the T4 test alone which are simply not an accurate picture. This is all a bit complex but you can learn loads or verify wht I am talking about at somewhere like www.stopthethyroidmadness.com or the yahoo groups discussing natural thyroid therapy. Some people do OK on just T4 but most do not and need a mixture of synthetic T4 and T3 or a product such as Armour Thyroid which is natural and has both in. ***** > Also did the pupil dilation test and it clearly expressed weak > adrenals (pupils dilated and fluttered instead of constricting). > My dr. was familiar with Jefferies protocol for cortisol use, but > was hesitant in giving me a trial. He said he had seen cases where > patients developed osteoporosis and that the cortisol can be hard to > wean off of. ***** Again, this is a common misconception amoungst Doctors and simply isn't the case. If someone needs physiological doses of adrenal hormones then they will not suffer any side effects like that. I would bet money on you having some degree of adrenal weakness and all the time this is not addressed you will probably not be able to tolerate adequate doses of thyroid hormone anyway. The two are so closely interlinked. You can not treat the thyroid if adrenal weakness isn't also addressed.***** I have been magnesium defecient for many years. My > rbc mg is always too low, sometimes even when on high doses of mg > citrate(mercury being the culprit I assume). He said many of these > symptoms could be explained with mg deficiency, even the pupil test! > but I don't believe that's the cause of these dibilitating symptoms > i've had for 2 mos. now. *****Your magnesium may well be low also. I think most of us have the same problem. But you shouldn't let that stop you sorting out your adrenals. There are many posts about how to raise magnesium on this site also. ***** > He said maybe with mg i.v.'s we could get my levels up and I should > start on T4 only again (i've been off for 2 weeks) and said T3 could > cause heart palpitations. I've read that you treat your adrenals > first . *****Trust yourself. You have obviously been reading up about all this. I don't know about mg IV's but might be a good idea - definately something to look into. Perhaps someone else here will comment on that.***** He said that Jefferies book was old stuff. ***** May be an old book but it is so spot on. This was used back in the olden days before Doctors started relying on lab tests and stopped using their clinical judgement and common sense.***** He suggested a 4 point cortisol saliva test costing $200. ***** SOunds like he is quite a braod minded Doctor! You are lucky as most Doctors laugh at the mention of a saliva test! Saliva testing 4 times in a 24 hour period is considered the best way to get a picture of your adrenal function and it's natural cycles. If he is willing to support you with this test I would DEFINITELY fo for it!!!***** I've had very low levels of dhea(blood tests) in the past and now taking 50 mg a day seems to have improved this (dr. says low dhea can mean you have high not low ***** You can definitely have low DHEA and low cortisol. ***** > I've been trying to chelate with dmsa but can barely tolerate even > the smallest dose. I think weak adrenals and hypothyroidism are > playing a role in my ability to chelate without intolerable symptoms. *****I think you are spot on with that statement. I know Andy says that adrenals and thyroid are one of the things that hinder chelation or make the symptoms much worse. In my own experience and having spoken to others with weak adrenals, it is very much so. I am having trouble tolerating tiny doses of DMSA because of my adrenals even though they are well supported.***** > I want to do the right thing. > > Any comments and suggestions would be very much appreciated. > > Thanks to all, > Frances. >***** Hope this helps you a little! ***** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2007 Report Share Posted May 28, 2007 --- *****Hope my comments help you a little bit!...***** In frequent-dose-chelation , " Frances " wrote: > > Hello all, > > Just saw my dr. I explained all my latest symptoms and that they > point to adrenal insufficiency(i.e. heart racing and > palpitations,adrenal like rushes,shortness of breath cold hands and > feet,shaking,weakness, startle with noises etc.). I've been on t4 > thyroid only therapy for a number of years and haven't experienced > any improvements with hypo symptoms. ***** This is really common with T4 therapy only and I could write you an essay on this subject!!! (well, I could if my brain would function properly!) Anyway, 1st, there is often a conversion problems of T4 to T3. T3 is the active hormone and so if your body doesn't onvert very well (very common!) then you simply are not getting the thyroid hormone that you need. Second problem is that you may simply not be on enough T4. (you can't tell if you are converting without blood testing of Free T4 and Free T3) Most Doctors seem to not prescribe enough T4 even in people who do convert well. (and most Doctors never test the free's either). They go by the TSH test or the T4 test alone which are simply not an accurate picture. This is all a bit complex but you can learn loads or verify wht I am talking about at somewhere like www.stopthethyroidmadness.com or the yahoo groups discussing natural thyroid therapy. Some people do OK on just T4 but most do not and need a mixture of synthetic T4 and T3 or a product such as Armour Thyroid which is natural and has both in. ***** > Also did the pupil dilation test and it clearly expressed weak > adrenals (pupils dilated and fluttered instead of constricting). > My dr. was familiar with Jefferies protocol for cortisol use, but > was hesitant in giving me a trial. He said he had seen cases where > patients developed osteoporosis and that the cortisol can be hard to > wean off of. ***** Again, this is a common misconception amoungst Doctors and simply isn't the case. If someone needs physiological doses of adrenal hormones then they will not suffer any side effects like that. I would bet money on you having some degree of adrenal weakness and all the time this is not addressed you will probably not be able to tolerate adequate doses of thyroid hormone anyway. The two are so closely interlinked. You can not treat the thyroid if adrenal weakness isn't also addressed.***** I have been magnesium defecient for many years. My > rbc mg is always too low, sometimes even when on high doses of mg > citrate(mercury being the culprit I assume). He said many of these > symptoms could be explained with mg deficiency, even the pupil test! > but I don't believe that's the cause of these dibilitating symptoms > i've had for 2 mos. now. *****Your magnesium may well be low also. I think most of us have the same problem. But you shouldn't let that stop you sorting out your adrenals. There are many posts about how to raise magnesium on this site also. ***** > He said maybe with mg i.v.'s we could get my levels up and I should > start on T4 only again (i've been off for 2 weeks) and said T3 could > cause heart palpitations. I've read that you treat your adrenals > first . *****Trust yourself. You have obviously been reading up about all this. I don't know about mg IV's but might be a good idea - definately something to look into. Perhaps someone else here will comment on that.***** He said that Jefferies book was old stuff. ***** May be an old book but it is so spot on. This was used back in the olden days before Doctors started relying on lab tests and stopped using their clinical judgement and common sense.***** He suggested a 4 point cortisol saliva test costing $200. ***** SOunds like he is quite a braod minded Doctor! You are lucky as most Doctors laugh at the mention of a saliva test! Saliva testing 4 times in a 24 hour period is considered the best way to get a picture of your adrenal function and it's natural cycles. If he is willing to support you with this test I would DEFINITELY fo for it!!!***** I've had very low levels of dhea(blood tests) in the past and now taking 50 mg a day seems to have improved this (dr. says low dhea can mean you have high not low ***** You can definitely have low DHEA and low cortisol. ***** > I've been trying to chelate with dmsa but can barely tolerate even > the smallest dose. I think weak adrenals and hypothyroidism are > playing a role in my ability to chelate without intolerable symptoms. *****I think you are spot on with that statement. I know Andy says that adrenals and thyroid are one of the things that hinder chelation or make the symptoms much worse. In my own experience and having spoken to others with weak adrenals, it is very much so. I am having trouble tolerating tiny doses of DMSA because of my adrenals even though they are well supported.***** > I want to do the right thing. > > Any comments and suggestions would be very much appreciated. > > Thanks to all, > Frances. >***** Hope this helps you a little! ***** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2007 Report Share Posted May 28, 2007 Oh my goodness. I have to agree with you. What this doctor is saying is contrary to facts. When you treat the thyroid first you always make the adrenals worse. Treating the thyroid with T4 only never works either. Low magnesium doesnt' do all that. Not the pupil thing. That's adrenals. You can test yourself yes. I would suggest you go to this website www.stopthethyroidmadness.com They have all the info you need to treat these problems yourself if need be. Or find a naturopath. You can also visit the Armour website and find someone in your area who prescribes it. This might give you some sight into a doctor that knows how to treat hypoadrenals and hypothyroid correctly. Of course your mag deficient. Your mercury toxic. I needed adrenal support before I could do dmsa. > > Hello all, > > Just saw my dr. I explained all my latest symptoms and that they > point to adrenal insufficiency(i.e. heart racing and > palpitations,adrenal like rushes,shortness of breath cold hands and > feet,shaking,weakness, startle with noises etc.). I've been on t4 > thyroid only therapy for a number of years and haven't experienced > any improvements with hypo symptoms. > Also did the pupil dilation test and it clearly expressed weak > adrenals (pupils dilated and fluttered instead of constricting). > My dr. was familiar with Jefferies protocol for cortisol use, but > was hesitant in giving me a trial. He said he had seen cases where > patients developed osteoporosis and that the cortisol can be hard to > wean off of. I have been magnesium defecient for many years. My > rbc mg is always too low, sometimes even when on high doses of mg > citrate(mercury being the culprit I assume). He said many of these > symptoms could be explained with mg deficiency, even the pupil test! > but I don't believe that's the cause of these dibilitating symptoms > i've had for 2 mos. now. > He said maybe with mg i.v.'s we could get my levels up and I should > start on T4 only again (i've been off for 2 weeks) and said T3 could > cause heart palpitations. I've read that you treat your adrenals > first . He said that Jefferies book was old stuff. I don't know > where to go from here. He suggested a 4 point cortisol saliva test > costing $200. I am in Toronto area. Is it possible get Isocort OTC > and how does it differ from HC? or even HC without Rx? Is Canary > club any cheaper for hormone saliva test? I've had very low levels > of dhea(blood tests) in the past and now taking 50 mg a day seems to > have improved this (dr. says low dhea can mean you have high not low > cortisol?????) > I've been trying to chelate with dmsa but can barely tolerate even > the smallest dose. I think weak adrenals and hypothyroidism are > playing a role in my ability to chelate without intolerable symptoms. > I want to do the right thing. > > Any comments and suggestions would be very much appreciated. > > Thanks to all, > Frances. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2007 Report Share Posted May 28, 2007 Oh my goodness. I have to agree with you. What this doctor is saying is contrary to facts. When you treat the thyroid first you always make the adrenals worse. Treating the thyroid with T4 only never works either. Low magnesium doesnt' do all that. Not the pupil thing. That's adrenals. You can test yourself yes. I would suggest you go to this website www.stopthethyroidmadness.com They have all the info you need to treat these problems yourself if need be. Or find a naturopath. You can also visit the Armour website and find someone in your area who prescribes it. This might give you some sight into a doctor that knows how to treat hypoadrenals and hypothyroid correctly. Of course your mag deficient. Your mercury toxic. I needed adrenal support before I could do dmsa. > > Hello all, > > Just saw my dr. I explained all my latest symptoms and that they > point to adrenal insufficiency(i.e. heart racing and > palpitations,adrenal like rushes,shortness of breath cold hands and > feet,shaking,weakness, startle with noises etc.). I've been on t4 > thyroid only therapy for a number of years and haven't experienced > any improvements with hypo symptoms. > Also did the pupil dilation test and it clearly expressed weak > adrenals (pupils dilated and fluttered instead of constricting). > My dr. was familiar with Jefferies protocol for cortisol use, but > was hesitant in giving me a trial. He said he had seen cases where > patients developed osteoporosis and that the cortisol can be hard to > wean off of. I have been magnesium defecient for many years. My > rbc mg is always too low, sometimes even when on high doses of mg > citrate(mercury being the culprit I assume). He said many of these > symptoms could be explained with mg deficiency, even the pupil test! > but I don't believe that's the cause of these dibilitating symptoms > i've had for 2 mos. now. > He said maybe with mg i.v.'s we could get my levels up and I should > start on T4 only again (i've been off for 2 weeks) and said T3 could > cause heart palpitations. I've read that you treat your adrenals > first . He said that Jefferies book was old stuff. I don't know > where to go from here. He suggested a 4 point cortisol saliva test > costing $200. I am in Toronto area. Is it possible get Isocort OTC > and how does it differ from HC? or even HC without Rx? Is Canary > club any cheaper for hormone saliva test? I've had very low levels > of dhea(blood tests) in the past and now taking 50 mg a day seems to > have improved this (dr. says low dhea can mean you have high not low > cortisol?????) > I've been trying to chelate with dmsa but can barely tolerate even > the smallest dose. I think weak adrenals and hypothyroidism are > playing a role in my ability to chelate without intolerable symptoms. > I want to do the right thing. > > Any comments and suggestions would be very much appreciated. > > Thanks to all, > Frances. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2007 Report Share Posted May 31, 2007 Frances, go the website www.stopthethyroidmadness.com. It will completely educate you on the connection between adrenals and thyroid and why using natural Armour vs. other synthetic thyroid meds don't do the job. Also, you can buy H/C over the counter. Go the links section of this site and you will info there on where to get it. I think it's also on the www.stopthethyroidmadness.com website too. I can speak from experience. I read in Andy's book pages, 113-122, all about hormones, thyroid, adrenals. This led me to ask the doctor to put me on HC. The VERY FIRST DAY I had an excellent, not miraculous, but excellent enough to keep going response to a low dose of 2.5 mgs, which I am incrementally increasing per the www.stopthethyroidmadness.com dosing schedule. I also added a little bit of thyroid to my existing dosing, again, following the protocol on the website for folks that are adrenal insufficient AND thyroid deficient, to increase the HC to certain dosages and thryoid too. In just two weeks I am already a new woman and chelating has become more bearable (on my 9th round). Please read the book, and if you can't get the book, go to the website. I wish I had done this earlier before I started chelating as I would have been able to bear things better in the beginning. Energy is everything at this point, not to mention all the other benefits that come from having the right amount of cortisol and thyroid in your system. You will see the symptoms list and testimonials there too. la Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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