Guest guest Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 Go for a second opinion with Dr. Dayton From: jane bruno Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 12:26 PM To: sList Subject: blood results help Hi everyone I am chelating my 20 month old autistic son at the moment (on 2nd round) and just received results from bloodwork we did just before we started chelating, and doctor offered no real explanation for results. Creatinine (serum) is very low whilst Calcium and Phosphate are high. Does anybody now what this means and if it could affect chelation? Also, at which round should I see effects in my son? First round with dmsa nothing happened now ive added ALA, he doesn’t seem to be affected in any way.Is it too soon or could it be that metals arent a problem with him, or that dose is too low? He is 23 pounds started him with 3mg ALA. Jane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 Go for a second opinion with Dr. Dayton From: jane bruno Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 12:26 PM To: sList Subject: blood results help Hi everyone I am chelating my 20 month old autistic son at the moment (on 2nd round) and just received results from bloodwork we did just before we started chelating, and doctor offered no real explanation for results. Creatinine (serum) is very low whilst Calcium and Phosphate are high. Does anybody now what this means and if it could affect chelation? Also, at which round should I see effects in my son? First round with dmsa nothing happened now ive added ALA, he doesn’t seem to be affected in any way.Is it too soon or could it be that metals arent a problem with him, or that dose is too low? He is 23 pounds started him with 3mg ALA. Jane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 Go for a second opinion with Dr. Dayton From: jane bruno Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 12:26 PM To: sList Subject: blood results help Hi everyone I am chelating my 20 month old autistic son at the moment (on 2nd round) and just received results from bloodwork we did just before we started chelating, and doctor offered no real explanation for results. Creatinine (serum) is very low whilst Calcium and Phosphate are high. Does anybody now what this means and if it could affect chelation? Also, at which round should I see effects in my son? First round with dmsa nothing happened now ive added ALA, he doesn’t seem to be affected in any way.Is it too soon or could it be that metals arent a problem with him, or that dose is too low? He is 23 pounds started him with 3mg ALA. Jane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 The lab gives normal ranges that are printed on reports that are supposed to be " corrected for age " , but in my experience, they are not--they are more reflective of an adult reference range. The lab may call some of them " critical " when they are not. It takes someone used to kid blood work to look at them. Pediatric creatinines are always lower than adults. Their kidneys work better, and there is less excess protein around--they are using it for growth. You did not say what the numbers were (low for a child or low when looked at with the stupid reference ranges on the printout?), so of course you need to check with the child's doctor. Calcium and phosphorous will be higher than an adult, because kids are in a phase of active bone growth, so the raw materials will be higher in circulation. DMSA binds divalent cations--a metal atom with 2 positive charges on it. It does not care whether it is mercury (2+), calcium (2+), zinc (2+) or any other 2+ metal. All will be bound, which is why they usually stop mineral supplements during chelation--you would saturate the DMSA with the supplement you are giving, rather than making it go look for mercury. This is how you can hurt someone chelating them as well. As you chelate, good minerals are taken out, as well as bad. If it goes too long, good mineral depletion can reach critical, even rarely fatal, levels. So a pulse of chelation is done, with mineral supplementation done in between, to replete the body's store of good minerals. Sometimes, therefore, it takes more than one pulse of DMSA to lower the heavy metal load low enough to see an effect. Or, it could be that heavy metal is not your kid's problem. The enzymes that deal with heavy metal elimination, metallothionine, has about a thousand different versions, all of them of different efficiencies. It could be that your kid handles metals just fine, and has a different biochemical pathway messed up. Chelation helps some immensely (like my son), and others not at all. A second opinion to check reference ranges, dosages, expected responses would do a world of good to put your mind at ease and answer specific questions. So would asking the original doctor, if you have not already. Did you ask specifically, or just a " how does the blood work look " sort of thing?. He or she needs to be told you want these sorts of explanations. If you did ask these specific questions, and were not given an explanation, that is a problem. If you simply forgot, or didn't think of it until after you had left, send an email or write down a list of questions you want answered. Good luck. > > Hi everyone > I am chelating my 20 month old autistic son at the moment (on 2nd round) and just received results from bloodwork we did just before we started chelating, and doctor offered no real explanation for results. > Creatinine (serum) is very low whilst Calcium and Phosphate are high. > Does anybody now what this means and if it could affect chelation? > Also, at which round should I see effects in my son? First round with dmsa nothing happened now ive added ALA, he doesn’t seem to be affected in any way.Is it too soon or could it be that metals arent a problem with him, or that dose is too low? He is 23 pounds started him with 3mg ALA. > Jane > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 The lab gives normal ranges that are printed on reports that are supposed to be " corrected for age " , but in my experience, they are not--they are more reflective of an adult reference range. The lab may call some of them " critical " when they are not. It takes someone used to kid blood work to look at them. Pediatric creatinines are always lower than adults. Their kidneys work better, and there is less excess protein around--they are using it for growth. You did not say what the numbers were (low for a child or low when looked at with the stupid reference ranges on the printout?), so of course you need to check with the child's doctor. Calcium and phosphorous will be higher than an adult, because kids are in a phase of active bone growth, so the raw materials will be higher in circulation. DMSA binds divalent cations--a metal atom with 2 positive charges on it. It does not care whether it is mercury (2+), calcium (2+), zinc (2+) or any other 2+ metal. All will be bound, which is why they usually stop mineral supplements during chelation--you would saturate the DMSA with the supplement you are giving, rather than making it go look for mercury. This is how you can hurt someone chelating them as well. As you chelate, good minerals are taken out, as well as bad. If it goes too long, good mineral depletion can reach critical, even rarely fatal, levels. So a pulse of chelation is done, with mineral supplementation done in between, to replete the body's store of good minerals. Sometimes, therefore, it takes more than one pulse of DMSA to lower the heavy metal load low enough to see an effect. Or, it could be that heavy metal is not your kid's problem. The enzymes that deal with heavy metal elimination, metallothionine, has about a thousand different versions, all of them of different efficiencies. It could be that your kid handles metals just fine, and has a different biochemical pathway messed up. Chelation helps some immensely (like my son), and others not at all. A second opinion to check reference ranges, dosages, expected responses would do a world of good to put your mind at ease and answer specific questions. So would asking the original doctor, if you have not already. Did you ask specifically, or just a " how does the blood work look " sort of thing?. He or she needs to be told you want these sorts of explanations. If you did ask these specific questions, and were not given an explanation, that is a problem. If you simply forgot, or didn't think of it until after you had left, send an email or write down a list of questions you want answered. Good luck. > > Hi everyone > I am chelating my 20 month old autistic son at the moment (on 2nd round) and just received results from bloodwork we did just before we started chelating, and doctor offered no real explanation for results. > Creatinine (serum) is very low whilst Calcium and Phosphate are high. > Does anybody now what this means and if it could affect chelation? > Also, at which round should I see effects in my son? First round with dmsa nothing happened now ive added ALA, he doesn’t seem to be affected in any way.Is it too soon or could it be that metals arent a problem with him, or that dose is too low? He is 23 pounds started him with 3mg ALA. > Jane > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2012 Report Share Posted August 5, 2012 Hi Jane, What chelation protocol are you using? Cutler protocol? If so, please look at www.recoveringkids.com for online support. Your lab results seem to indicate mineral derangement, which is very common in mercury toxic kids. Feel free to email me directly with any other concerns. All the best, > > Hi everyone > I am chelating my 20 month old autistic son at the moment (on 2nd round) and just received results from bloodwork we did just before we started chelating, and doctor offered no real explanation for results. > Creatinine (serum) is very low whilst Calcium and Phosphate are high. > Does anybody now what this means and if it could affect chelation? > Also, at which round should I see effects in my son? First round with dmsa nothing happened now ive added ALA, he doesn’t seem to be affected in any way.Is it too soon or could it be that metals arent a problem with him, or that dose is too low? He is 23 pounds started him with 3mg ALA. > Jane > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2012 Report Share Posted August 5, 2012 Hi Jane, What chelation protocol are you using? Cutler protocol? If so, please look at www.recoveringkids.com for online support. Your lab results seem to indicate mineral derangement, which is very common in mercury toxic kids. Feel free to email me directly with any other concerns. All the best, > > Hi everyone > I am chelating my 20 month old autistic son at the moment (on 2nd round) and just received results from bloodwork we did just before we started chelating, and doctor offered no real explanation for results. > Creatinine (serum) is very low whilst Calcium and Phosphate are high. > Does anybody now what this means and if it could affect chelation? > Also, at which round should I see effects in my son? First round with dmsa nothing happened now ive added ALA, he doesn’t seem to be affected in any way.Is it too soon or could it be that metals arent a problem with him, or that dose is too low? He is 23 pounds started him with 3mg ALA. > Jane > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2012 Report Share Posted August 5, 2012 I found these articles on it, but I'm no doctor, thought it may help though. http://drcranton.com/chelation/kidneyfunction.htm and this article looked informative: www.mcdonaghmed.com/downloads/paper4.pdfOn Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 12:26 PM, jane bruno wrote: Hi everyone I am chelating my 20 month old autistic son at the moment (on 2nd round) and just received results from bloodwork we did just before we started chelating, and doctor offered no real explanation for results. Creatinine (serum) is very low whilst Calcium and Phosphate are high. Does anybody now what this means and if it could affect chelation? Also, at which round should I see effects in my son? First round with dmsa nothing happened now ive added ALA, he doesn’t seem to be affected in any way.Is it too soon or could it be that metals arent a problem with him, or that dose is too low? He is 23 pounds started him with 3mg ALA. Jane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2012 Report Share Posted August 5, 2012 I found these articles on it, but I'm no doctor, thought it may help though. http://drcranton.com/chelation/kidneyfunction.htm and this article looked informative: www.mcdonaghmed.com/downloads/paper4.pdfOn Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 12:26 PM, jane bruno wrote: Hi everyone I am chelating my 20 month old autistic son at the moment (on 2nd round) and just received results from bloodwork we did just before we started chelating, and doctor offered no real explanation for results. Creatinine (serum) is very low whilst Calcium and Phosphate are high. Does anybody now what this means and if it could affect chelation? Also, at which round should I see effects in my son? First round with dmsa nothing happened now ive added ALA, he doesn’t seem to be affected in any way.Is it too soon or could it be that metals arent a problem with him, or that dose is too low? He is 23 pounds started him with 3mg ALA. Jane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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