Guest guest Posted May 29, 2008 Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 -----Original Message-----Does anyone know about Juice Plus products? http://www.mlmwatch.org/04C/NSA/juiceplus.html http://www.mlmwatch.org/04C/NSA/crf.html There are only a handful of real honest to goodness facts that we (as a group) have learned over the years about PSC. Number 1 of these is to NEVER – EVER ingest ANYTHING, without speaking to your doctor first! Want more fruits and veggies in your diet, eat them more often, or make juice at home, where you buy, wash and choose ingredients yourself. There is no miracle cure for PSC, but you can save a bunch of money (and give it to PSC Partners) by not falling for these kinds of “cures”. Barb in Texas - Together in the Fight.... Whatever it Takes! Son Ken (34) Fisherman, poker player, canine lover, & thankful liver recipient. UC 91, PSC 99 - Tx 6/21 & 6/30/07 @ Baylor in Dallas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2008 Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 -----Original Message-----Does anyone know about Juice Plus products? http://www.mlmwatch.org/04C/NSA/juiceplus.html http://www.mlmwatch.org/04C/NSA/crf.html There are only a handful of real honest to goodness facts that we (as a group) have learned over the years about PSC. Number 1 of these is to NEVER – EVER ingest ANYTHING, without speaking to your doctor first! Want more fruits and veggies in your diet, eat them more often, or make juice at home, where you buy, wash and choose ingredients yourself. There is no miracle cure for PSC, but you can save a bunch of money (and give it to PSC Partners) by not falling for these kinds of “cures”. Barb in Texas - Together in the Fight.... Whatever it Takes! Son Ken (34) Fisherman, poker player, canine lover, & thankful liver recipient. UC 91, PSC 99 - Tx 6/21 & 6/30/07 @ Baylor in Dallas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2008 Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 -----Original Message-----Does anyone know about Juice Plus products? http://www.mlmwatch.org/04C/NSA/juiceplus.html http://www.mlmwatch.org/04C/NSA/crf.html There are only a handful of real honest to goodness facts that we (as a group) have learned over the years about PSC. Number 1 of these is to NEVER – EVER ingest ANYTHING, without speaking to your doctor first! Want more fruits and veggies in your diet, eat them more often, or make juice at home, where you buy, wash and choose ingredients yourself. There is no miracle cure for PSC, but you can save a bunch of money (and give it to PSC Partners) by not falling for these kinds of “cures”. Barb in Texas - Together in the Fight.... Whatever it Takes! Son Ken (34) Fisherman, poker player, canine lover, & thankful liver recipient. UC 91, PSC 99 - Tx 6/21 & 6/30/07 @ Baylor in Dallas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2008 Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 Barb, As always, I am amazed at your scholarship and wisedom on this and in many other areas. Just when I thought I might weigh in with some words of my own, I found that not only have you said the exact thing I was going to, but you backed yours up with data and complete citations, well done. Take care, Cheryl ID RE: Juice Plus is a Minus > -----Original Message-----Does anyone know about Juice Plus products? > > http://www.mlmwatch.org/04C/NSA/juiceplus.html > > http://www.mlmwatch.org/04C/NSA/crf.html > > There are only a handful of real honest to goodness facts that we (as a > group) have learned over the years about PSC. Number 1 of these is to > NEVER - EVER ingest ANYTHING, without speaking to your doctor first! > > Want more fruits and veggies in your diet, eat them more often, or make > juice at home, where you buy, wash and choose ingredients yourself. > There is no miracle cure for PSC, but you can save a bunch of money (and > give it to PSC Partners) by not falling for these kinds of " cures " . > > Barb in Texas - Together in the Fight.... Whatever it Takes! > Son Ken (34) Fisherman, poker player, canine lover, & thankful liver > recipient. > UC 91, PSC 99 - Tx 6/21 & 6/30/07 @ Baylor in Dallas > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2008 Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 Barb, As always, I am amazed at your scholarship and wisedom on this and in many other areas. Just when I thought I might weigh in with some words of my own, I found that not only have you said the exact thing I was going to, but you backed yours up with data and complete citations, well done. Take care, Cheryl ID RE: Juice Plus is a Minus > -----Original Message-----Does anyone know about Juice Plus products? > > http://www.mlmwatch.org/04C/NSA/juiceplus.html > > http://www.mlmwatch.org/04C/NSA/crf.html > > There are only a handful of real honest to goodness facts that we (as a > group) have learned over the years about PSC. Number 1 of these is to > NEVER - EVER ingest ANYTHING, without speaking to your doctor first! > > Want more fruits and veggies in your diet, eat them more often, or make > juice at home, where you buy, wash and choose ingredients yourself. > There is no miracle cure for PSC, but you can save a bunch of money (and > give it to PSC Partners) by not falling for these kinds of " cures " . > > Barb in Texas - Together in the Fight.... Whatever it Takes! > Son Ken (34) Fisherman, poker player, canine lover, & thankful liver > recipient. > UC 91, PSC 99 - Tx 6/21 & 6/30/07 @ Baylor in Dallas > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2008 Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 Barb, As always, I am amazed at your scholarship and wisedom on this and in many other areas. Just when I thought I might weigh in with some words of my own, I found that not only have you said the exact thing I was going to, but you backed yours up with data and complete citations, well done. Take care, Cheryl ID RE: Juice Plus is a Minus > -----Original Message-----Does anyone know about Juice Plus products? > > http://www.mlmwatch.org/04C/NSA/juiceplus.html > > http://www.mlmwatch.org/04C/NSA/crf.html > > There are only a handful of real honest to goodness facts that we (as a > group) have learned over the years about PSC. Number 1 of these is to > NEVER - EVER ingest ANYTHING, without speaking to your doctor first! > > Want more fruits and veggies in your diet, eat them more often, or make > juice at home, where you buy, wash and choose ingredients yourself. > There is no miracle cure for PSC, but you can save a bunch of money (and > give it to PSC Partners) by not falling for these kinds of " cures " . > > Barb in Texas - Together in the Fight.... Whatever it Takes! > Son Ken (34) Fisherman, poker player, canine lover, & thankful liver > recipient. > UC 91, PSC 99 - Tx 6/21 & 6/30/07 @ Baylor in Dallas > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2008 Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 Barb, As always, I am amazed at your scholarship and wisedom on this and in many other areas. Just when I thought I might weigh in with some words of my own, I found that not only have you said the exact thing I was going to, but you backed yours up with data and complete citations, well done. Take care, Cheryl ID RE: Juice Plus is a Minus > -----Original Message-----Does anyone know about Juice Plus products? > > http://www.mlmwatch.org/04C/NSA/juiceplus.html > > http://www.mlmwatch.org/04C/NSA/crf.html > > There are only a handful of real honest to goodness facts that we (as a > group) have learned over the years about PSC. Number 1 of these is to > NEVER - EVER ingest ANYTHING, without speaking to your doctor first! > > Want more fruits and veggies in your diet, eat them more often, or make > juice at home, where you buy, wash and choose ingredients yourself. > There is no miracle cure for PSC, but you can save a bunch of money (and > give it to PSC Partners) by not falling for these kinds of " cures " . > > Barb in Texas - Together in the Fight.... Whatever it Takes! > Son Ken (34) Fisherman, poker player, canine lover, & thankful liver > recipient. > UC 91, PSC 99 - Tx 6/21 & 6/30/07 @ Baylor in Dallas > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2008 Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 Barb, As always, I am amazed at your scholarship and wisedom on this and in many other areas. Just when I thought I might weigh in with some words of my own, I found that not only have you said the exact thing I was going to, but you backed yours up with data and complete citations, well done. Take care, Cheryl ID RE: Juice Plus is a Minus > -----Original Message-----Does anyone know about Juice Plus products? > > http://www.mlmwatch.org/04C/NSA/juiceplus.html > > http://www.mlmwatch.org/04C/NSA/crf.html > > There are only a handful of real honest to goodness facts that we (as a > group) have learned over the years about PSC. Number 1 of these is to > NEVER - EVER ingest ANYTHING, without speaking to your doctor first! > > Want more fruits and veggies in your diet, eat them more often, or make > juice at home, where you buy, wash and choose ingredients yourself. > There is no miracle cure for PSC, but you can save a bunch of money (and > give it to PSC Partners) by not falling for these kinds of " cures " . > > Barb in Texas - Together in the Fight.... Whatever it Takes! > Son Ken (34) Fisherman, poker player, canine lover, & thankful liver > recipient. > UC 91, PSC 99 - Tx 6/21 & 6/30/07 @ Baylor in Dallas > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2008 Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 Barb, As always, I am amazed at your scholarship and wisedom on this and in many other areas. Just when I thought I might weigh in with some words of my own, I found that not only have you said the exact thing I was going to, but you backed yours up with data and complete citations, well done. Take care, Cheryl ID RE: Juice Plus is a Minus > -----Original Message-----Does anyone know about Juice Plus products? > > http://www.mlmwatch.org/04C/NSA/juiceplus.html > > http://www.mlmwatch.org/04C/NSA/crf.html > > There are only a handful of real honest to goodness facts that we (as a > group) have learned over the years about PSC. Number 1 of these is to > NEVER - EVER ingest ANYTHING, without speaking to your doctor first! > > Want more fruits and veggies in your diet, eat them more often, or make > juice at home, where you buy, wash and choose ingredients yourself. > There is no miracle cure for PSC, but you can save a bunch of money (and > give it to PSC Partners) by not falling for these kinds of " cures " . > > Barb in Texas - Together in the Fight.... Whatever it Takes! > Son Ken (34) Fisherman, poker player, canine lover, & thankful liver > recipient. > UC 91, PSC 99 - Tx 6/21 & 6/30/07 @ Baylor in Dallas > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2008 Report Share Posted May 30, 2008 I did not say I was looking for a " cure " or that I was taking anything without talking to my doctor (after all I am an RN) just asking if anyone had any experience or knowledge with the product. Thanks anyway. PSC 5/07 Listed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2008 Report Share Posted June 4, 2008 I just can’t resist sending this along as well… The author of the articles sent in from mlmwatch.org is a fraud. If you are interested: Subject: Fw: Barret Loses Appeal, Leaves Town Barrett Loses Appeal, Leaves Town Fight Back, Join the Foundation for Health Choice Self proclaimed Quackbuster, Barrett, MD, recently handed crushing defeats by chiropractor Tedd Koren and Ilena Rosenthal, has announced he is leaving his home town and operating base in town, Pennsylvania. On June 11th, 2007, the Superior Court of Pennsylvania affirmed a lower court dismissal of Barrett's defamation suite against Dr. Koren. Barrett's case was so lacking in merit the judge blocked it from going to the jury. Barrett simply had no case against Dr. Koren. This followed another stunning defeat last month in California. There an appeals court ordered Barrett and crony Terry Polevoy, MD to post bonds of more than $400,000.00 after they lost a defamation case against Illena Rosenthal virtually identical to the Koren case. Perhaps the fact that lawyers and judges in town are catching on to his intimidation schemes explains why Barrett is moving to Chapel Hill, North Carolina. Barrett can run but he can't hide. Chapel Hill collection attorneys are already being asked to locate his assets to pay his unmet legal obligations. Assets of other Quackwatch, Inc., principals might also be sought. Who Is Barrett, What Are Quackbusters? Barrett is an unlicensed Pennsylvania psychiatrist, who, though he failed his psychiatric boards and has been criticized for his lack of expertise by several courts, still claims to often advise the Federal Trade Commission (FTC), the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), the FBI, State Attorneys General, HMOs, Consumer Reports, medical journals and state medical, chiropractic and dental boards. The insurance industry cites Barrett's highly opinionated " Quackbuster " attacks to deny paying claims for chiropractic and other natural healthcare. Barrett and the " Quackbusters, " a vigilante group of self proclaimed skeptics of any medical or health modality that avoids drugs, surgery or radiation, attack almost all non-conventional healthcare practices as quackery. Ignoring all scientific research to the contrary, they dismiss Gulf War Syndrome, Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, Chemical Sensitivity, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, and dietary supplements as rubbish. Double Nobel Prize winner Linus ing is on their " quack " hit list along with many well known and respected doctors and scientists, including Deepak Chopra, Weil, and dozens of others. Barrett claims to give over 500 interviews a year to newspapers, magazines, and television shows, including CNN and the Today Show. He claims to have been a peer reviewer for seven medical journals, including the Journal of the American Medical Association, even though he had no license to practice medicine when he did the reviewing. The Quackbusters run over 70 websites. Millions of people go to them every year. Look up chiropractic, acupuncture, homeopathy or even vitamin C, as well as almost every other natural health topic, on the Internet and you (and the public) will be led to Quackbuster sites advising you of natural health " dangers. " In all these forums Barrett and the Quackbusters relentlessly attack the consumer right to informed choice. These activities continue the AMA's anti-quackery committee's activities that were struck down by federal courts as an illegal restraint of trade in a landmark lawsuit brought by Illinois chiropractor Chester Wilk. They also help insurance companies deny consumer reimbursement claims. At the same time, Barrett flacks for products like aspartame (NutraSweet), which is the subject of tens of thousands of consumer complaints. Question (asked on Barrett's web site): " An email message is being circulated with many statements to the effect that aspartame is dangerous. How worried should I be? " Answer (from Barrett): " Not at all. The message is pure rubbish. " What Did Dr. Koren Do to Provoke Barrett's Shakedown? Dr. Tedd Koren is a well-known chiropractor, researcher, writer and lecturer. Barrett sued Dr. Koren in 2003 for calling him a Quackpot, saying he was in big trouble because of a racketeering law suit brought against him and attacking his lack of a medical license in his internet newsletter. The trial judge and three appeals judges agreed unanimously that these statements were so far from defamation that no jury could be legally allowed to call them defamation. Dr. Koren also said Barrett was " delicensed. " One of the three appeals courts judges thought a jury might be able to find this to be defamation. However two appellate judges disagreed and jurors interviewed after the trial said they too saw through Barrett and felt that he was a litigious, ungrounded and biased denier of the truth. In part jurors formed this view because Barrett testified with great self-satisfaction in the Koren case that he had sued many doctors-close to forty-in similar cases, demanding up to $100,000 if they wished to avoid a costly lawsuit. Some paid-how many is yet to be discovered. Drs. Koren and Rosenthal and a few others did not. Barrett has failed to win a single lawsuit in this shakedown scheme. Dr. Koren's Legal Team Well known consumer advocate, S. (Jim) , general counsel to Koren Publications, who several years earlier had persuaded the FTC to drop an investigation against Dr. Koren (brought at a time when Barrett was a consultant to the FTC), organized and coordinated the legal team that represented Dr. Koren. Attorney Reid of town, Pennsylvania acted as associate trial counsel and appellate counsel and California health freedom attorney Negrete acted as trial counsel., Mr. Negrete said, " Fortunately for all of his colleagues, Dr. Koren decided not to back down and took the case to trial. Barrett is part of a group of intolerant individuals. I am not certain who the supporters of the so-called Quackbusters are, but they seem to me to be just skinheads with stethoscopes. " During heated and often dramatic courtroom proceedings, Mr. Negrete pointed out many of the questionable statements Barrett includes on his websites attacking chiropractic, as well as facts about Barrett's own credentials that shocked even his supporters. Mr. says, " It is very important that a very responsible judge in Barrett's hometown recognized that he was making false allegations and dismissed the case. Barrett has cost untoward numbers of consumers pain, anguish and probably serious harm by his misrepresentation of the facts about subjects ranging from acupuncture to zinc. " Mr. , who among other campaigns led the team that got acupuncture needles approved as safe by FDA, worked with a Senate committee to abolish the dysfunctional vaccine regulatory agency, worked with whistleblowers to stop the Swine Flu inoculation campaign, kept aspartame off the market for ten years, and played a key role in lobbying the Organic Food Production Act through Congress (all areas on which the Foundation for Health Choice focuses), says, " Our objective is to end Barrett's abuse of consumers by eliminating the false and misleading information from his website and his entire network of websites and replacing it with sound, useful information for consumers. " Says Dr. Koren, " This is just the beginning. Just as the FTC battle was not about Tedd Koren alone but had ramifications for the entire chiropractic and natural health professions so the Barrett v. Koren battle will have major ramifications for all. We're going to give the Quackbusters a taste of their own medicine. They'll learn how dangerous medicine can be. " " Our mission is not just about revealing the Quackbusters to be the unscientific bigots that they are. We are fighting for health care freedom. One of our goals is to permit parents to make sound decisions about vaccination for their children. There are too many sound health reasons for certain children to avoid vaccination and the government has recognized too many vaccine caused deaths and maimings (over $1.5 billion of compensation has been paid to bereaved families by the federal vaccine injury compensation system since 1988) to allow a non-vaccinated child to be refused day care, school, college, or employment, " says Dr. Koren. Mr. is also lead counsel in a case brought against Barrett by Dr. Don on, the chiropractor who founded and leads Chiropractic Biophysics. Join The Foundation for Health Choice Free, Make a Contribution Dr. Koren, Jim and others have formed The Foundation for Health Choice (www.foundationforhealthchoice.com) to fight for health care freedom. The Foundation for Health Choice has a comprehensive multi-phase strategy to advance consumer access to the wide variety of health and wellness initiatives available to consumers that do not involve drugs, surgery or radiation, including: Providing access to information currently resisted by the established medical system, Investigating and reporting on activities and organizations that undermine chiropractic, naturopathic, homeopathic, acupuncture and other non dug based approaches to health and well being, Working to eliminate concealment of evidence of such modalities' usefulness, the undercutting of insurance programs for patients, and the subverting of government inquiries by special interests, And numerous other activities to eliminate the monopoly over health care that currently exists in this country. Says Dr. Koren, " The Foundation needs members and donors, especially monthly donors, to sustain its activities. Ten dollars a month from enough people can make a big difference. Please go to our web site. www.foundationforhealthchoice.com. " Sign up to receive our free newsletter and updates. Please join us. Visit us, write to us, support us at www.foundationforhealthchoice.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2008 Report Share Posted June 4, 2008 I just can’t resist sending this along as well… The author of the articles sent in from mlmwatch.org is a fraud. If you are interested: Subject: Fw: Barret Loses Appeal, Leaves Town Barrett Loses Appeal, Leaves Town Fight Back, Join the Foundation for Health Choice Self proclaimed Quackbuster, Barrett, MD, recently handed crushing defeats by chiropractor Tedd Koren and Ilena Rosenthal, has announced he is leaving his home town and operating base in town, Pennsylvania. On June 11th, 2007, the Superior Court of Pennsylvania affirmed a lower court dismissal of Barrett's defamation suite against Dr. Koren. Barrett's case was so lacking in merit the judge blocked it from going to the jury. Barrett simply had no case against Dr. Koren. This followed another stunning defeat last month in California. There an appeals court ordered Barrett and crony Terry Polevoy, MD to post bonds of more than $400,000.00 after they lost a defamation case against Illena Rosenthal virtually identical to the Koren case. Perhaps the fact that lawyers and judges in town are catching on to his intimidation schemes explains why Barrett is moving to Chapel Hill, North Carolina. Barrett can run but he can't hide. Chapel Hill collection attorneys are already being asked to locate his assets to pay his unmet legal obligations. Assets of other Quackwatch, Inc., principals might also be sought. Who Is Barrett, What Are Quackbusters? Barrett is an unlicensed Pennsylvania psychiatrist, who, though he failed his psychiatric boards and has been criticized for his lack of expertise by several courts, still claims to often advise the Federal Trade Commission (FTC), the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), the FBI, State Attorneys General, HMOs, Consumer Reports, medical journals and state medical, chiropractic and dental boards. The insurance industry cites Barrett's highly opinionated " Quackbuster " attacks to deny paying claims for chiropractic and other natural healthcare. Barrett and the " Quackbusters, " a vigilante group of self proclaimed skeptics of any medical or health modality that avoids drugs, surgery or radiation, attack almost all non-conventional healthcare practices as quackery. Ignoring all scientific research to the contrary, they dismiss Gulf War Syndrome, Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, Chemical Sensitivity, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, and dietary supplements as rubbish. Double Nobel Prize winner Linus ing is on their " quack " hit list along with many well known and respected doctors and scientists, including Deepak Chopra, Weil, and dozens of others. Barrett claims to give over 500 interviews a year to newspapers, magazines, and television shows, including CNN and the Today Show. He claims to have been a peer reviewer for seven medical journals, including the Journal of the American Medical Association, even though he had no license to practice medicine when he did the reviewing. The Quackbusters run over 70 websites. Millions of people go to them every year. Look up chiropractic, acupuncture, homeopathy or even vitamin C, as well as almost every other natural health topic, on the Internet and you (and the public) will be led to Quackbuster sites advising you of natural health " dangers. " In all these forums Barrett and the Quackbusters relentlessly attack the consumer right to informed choice. These activities continue the AMA's anti-quackery committee's activities that were struck down by federal courts as an illegal restraint of trade in a landmark lawsuit brought by Illinois chiropractor Chester Wilk. They also help insurance companies deny consumer reimbursement claims. At the same time, Barrett flacks for products like aspartame (NutraSweet), which is the subject of tens of thousands of consumer complaints. Question (asked on Barrett's web site): " An email message is being circulated with many statements to the effect that aspartame is dangerous. How worried should I be? " Answer (from Barrett): " Not at all. The message is pure rubbish. " What Did Dr. Koren Do to Provoke Barrett's Shakedown? Dr. Tedd Koren is a well-known chiropractor, researcher, writer and lecturer. Barrett sued Dr. Koren in 2003 for calling him a Quackpot, saying he was in big trouble because of a racketeering law suit brought against him and attacking his lack of a medical license in his internet newsletter. The trial judge and three appeals judges agreed unanimously that these statements were so far from defamation that no jury could be legally allowed to call them defamation. Dr. Koren also said Barrett was " delicensed. " One of the three appeals courts judges thought a jury might be able to find this to be defamation. However two appellate judges disagreed and jurors interviewed after the trial said they too saw through Barrett and felt that he was a litigious, ungrounded and biased denier of the truth. In part jurors formed this view because Barrett testified with great self-satisfaction in the Koren case that he had sued many doctors-close to forty-in similar cases, demanding up to $100,000 if they wished to avoid a costly lawsuit. Some paid-how many is yet to be discovered. Drs. Koren and Rosenthal and a few others did not. Barrett has failed to win a single lawsuit in this shakedown scheme. Dr. Koren's Legal Team Well known consumer advocate, S. (Jim) , general counsel to Koren Publications, who several years earlier had persuaded the FTC to drop an investigation against Dr. Koren (brought at a time when Barrett was a consultant to the FTC), organized and coordinated the legal team that represented Dr. Koren. Attorney Reid of town, Pennsylvania acted as associate trial counsel and appellate counsel and California health freedom attorney Negrete acted as trial counsel., Mr. Negrete said, " Fortunately for all of his colleagues, Dr. Koren decided not to back down and took the case to trial. Barrett is part of a group of intolerant individuals. I am not certain who the supporters of the so-called Quackbusters are, but they seem to me to be just skinheads with stethoscopes. " During heated and often dramatic courtroom proceedings, Mr. Negrete pointed out many of the questionable statements Barrett includes on his websites attacking chiropractic, as well as facts about Barrett's own credentials that shocked even his supporters. Mr. says, " It is very important that a very responsible judge in Barrett's hometown recognized that he was making false allegations and dismissed the case. Barrett has cost untoward numbers of consumers pain, anguish and probably serious harm by his misrepresentation of the facts about subjects ranging from acupuncture to zinc. " Mr. , who among other campaigns led the team that got acupuncture needles approved as safe by FDA, worked with a Senate committee to abolish the dysfunctional vaccine regulatory agency, worked with whistleblowers to stop the Swine Flu inoculation campaign, kept aspartame off the market for ten years, and played a key role in lobbying the Organic Food Production Act through Congress (all areas on which the Foundation for Health Choice focuses), says, " Our objective is to end Barrett's abuse of consumers by eliminating the false and misleading information from his website and his entire network of websites and replacing it with sound, useful information for consumers. " Says Dr. Koren, " This is just the beginning. Just as the FTC battle was not about Tedd Koren alone but had ramifications for the entire chiropractic and natural health professions so the Barrett v. Koren battle will have major ramifications for all. We're going to give the Quackbusters a taste of their own medicine. They'll learn how dangerous medicine can be. " " Our mission is not just about revealing the Quackbusters to be the unscientific bigots that they are. We are fighting for health care freedom. One of our goals is to permit parents to make sound decisions about vaccination for their children. There are too many sound health reasons for certain children to avoid vaccination and the government has recognized too many vaccine caused deaths and maimings (over $1.5 billion of compensation has been paid to bereaved families by the federal vaccine injury compensation system since 1988) to allow a non-vaccinated child to be refused day care, school, college, or employment, " says Dr. Koren. Mr. is also lead counsel in a case brought against Barrett by Dr. Don on, the chiropractor who founded and leads Chiropractic Biophysics. Join The Foundation for Health Choice Free, Make a Contribution Dr. Koren, Jim and others have formed The Foundation for Health Choice (www.foundationforhealthchoice.com) to fight for health care freedom. The Foundation for Health Choice has a comprehensive multi-phase strategy to advance consumer access to the wide variety of health and wellness initiatives available to consumers that do not involve drugs, surgery or radiation, including: Providing access to information currently resisted by the established medical system, Investigating and reporting on activities and organizations that undermine chiropractic, naturopathic, homeopathic, acupuncture and other non dug based approaches to health and well being, Working to eliminate concealment of evidence of such modalities' usefulness, the undercutting of insurance programs for patients, and the subverting of government inquiries by special interests, And numerous other activities to eliminate the monopoly over health care that currently exists in this country. Says Dr. Koren, " The Foundation needs members and donors, especially monthly donors, to sustain its activities. Ten dollars a month from enough people can make a big difference. Please go to our web site. www.foundationforhealthchoice.com. " Sign up to receive our free newsletter and updates. Please join us. Visit us, write to us, support us at www.foundationforhealthchoice.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2008 Report Share Posted June 4, 2008 Bethany, I'm very leery of any article that starts out sounding like a independent newspaper article, but ends up with an appeal for more supporters and donations. I quote " Please join us. Visit us, write to us, support us at www.foundationforhealthchoice.com. " I suspect Quakerbuster was started up to fight the claims of Juice plus (and the like) and Foundation for health choice was started up to counter act the claims Quakerbusters. Ian (52) PSC 89 I just can't resist sending this along as well… The author of the articles sent in from mlmwatch.org is a fraud. If you are interested: Subject: Fw: Barret Loses Appeal, Leaves Town Barrett Loses Appeal, Leaves Town Fight Back, Join the Foundation for Health ChoiceSelf proclaimed Quackbuster, Barrett, MD, recently handed crushing defeats by chiropractor Tedd Koren and Ilena Rosenthal, has announced he is leaving his home town and operating base in town, Pennsylvania. On June 11th, 2007, the Superior Court of Pennsylvania affirmed a lower court dismissal of Barrett's defamation suite against Dr. Koren. Barrett's case was so lacking in merit the judge blocked it from going to the jury. Barrett simply had no case against Dr. Koren. This followed another stunning defeat last month in California. There an appeals court ordered Barrett and crony Terry Polevoy, MD to post bonds of more than $400,000.00 after they lost a defamation case against Illena Rosenthal virtually identical to the Koren case. Perhaps the fact that lawyers and judges in town are catching on to his intimidation schemes explains why Barrett is moving to Chapel Hill, North Carolina. Barrett can run but he can't hide. Chapel Hill collection attorneys are already being asked to locate his assets to pay his unmet legal obligations. Assets of other Quackwatch, Inc., principals might also be sought. Who Is Barrett, What Are Quackbusters? Barrett is an unlicensed Pennsylvania psychiatrist, who, though he failed his psychiatric boards and has been criticized for his lack of expertise by several courts, still claims to often advise the Federal Trade Commission (FTC), the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), the FBI, State Attorneys General, HMOs, Consumer Reports, medical journals and state medical, chiropractic and dental boards. The insurance industry cites Barrett's highly opinionated " Quackbuster " attacks to deny paying claims for chiropractic and other natural healthcare. Barrett and the " Quackbusters, " a vigilante group of self proclaimed skeptics of any medical or health modality that avoids drugs, surgery or radiation, attack almost all non-conventional healthcare practices as quackery. Ignoring all scientific research to the contrary, they dismiss Gulf War Syndrome, Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, Chemical Sensitivity, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, and dietary supplements as rubbish. Double Nobel Prize winner Linus ing is on their " quack " hit list along with many well known and respected doctors and scientists, including Deepak Chopra, Weil, and dozens of others. Barrett claims to give over 500 interviews a year to newspapers, magazines, and television shows, including CNN and the Today Show. He claims to have been a peer reviewer for seven medical journals, including the Journal of the American Medical Association, even though he had no license to practice medicine when he did the reviewing. The Quackbusters run over 70 websites. Millions of people go to them every year. Look up chiropractic, acupuncture, homeopathy or even vitamin C, as well as almost every other natural health topic, on the Internet and you (and the public) will be led to Quackbuster sites advising you of natural health " dangers. " In all these forums Barrett and the Quackbusters relentlessly attack the consumer right to informed choice. These activities continue the AMA's anti-quackery committee's activities that were struck down by federal courts as an illegal restraint of trade in a landmark lawsuit brought by Illinois chiropractor Chester Wilk. They also help insurance companies deny consumer reimbursement claims. At the same time, Barrett flacks for products like aspartame (NutraSweet), which is the subject of tens of thousands of consumer complaints. Question (asked on Barrett's web site): " An email message is being circulated with many statements to the effect that aspartame is dangerous. How worried should I be? " Answer (from Barrett): " Not at all. The message is pure rubbish. " What Did Dr. Koren Do to Provoke Barrett's Shakedown?Dr. Tedd Koren is a well-known chiropractor, researcher, writer and lecturer. Barrett sued Dr. Koren in 2003 for calling him a Quackpot, saying he was in big trouble because of a racketeering law suit brought against him and attacking his lack of a medical license in his internet newsletter. The trial judge and three appeals judges agreed unanimously that these statements were so far from defamation that no jury could be legally allowed to call them defamation. Dr. Koren also said Barrett was " delicensed. " One of the three appeals courts judges thought a jury might be able to find this to be defamation. However two appellate judges disagreed and jurors interviewed after the trial said they too saw through Barrett and felt that he was a litigious, ungrounded and biased denier of the truth. In part jurors formed this view because Barrett testified with great self-satisfaction in the Koren case that he had sued many doctors-close to forty-in similar cases, demanding up to $100,000 if they wished to avoid a costly lawsuit. Some paid-how many is yet to be discovered. Drs. Koren and Rosenthal and a few others did not. Barrett has failed to win a single lawsuit in this shakedown scheme. Dr. Koren's Legal TeamWell known consumer advocate, S. (Jim) , general counsel to Koren Publications, who several years earlier had persuaded the FTC to drop an investigation against Dr. Koren (brought at a time when Barrett was a consultant to the FTC), organized and coordinated the legal team that represented Dr. Koren. Attorney Reid of town, Pennsylvania acted as associate trial counsel and appellate counsel and California health freedom attorney Negrete acted as trial counsel., Mr. Negrete said, " Fortunately for all of his colleagues, Dr. Koren decided not to back down and took the case to trial. Barrett is part of a group of intolerant individuals. I am not certain who the supporters of the so-called Quackbusters are, but they seem to me to be just skinheads with stethoscopes. " During heated and often dramatic courtroom proceedings, Mr. Negrete pointed out many of the questionable statements Barrett includes on his websites attacking chiropractic, as well as facts about Barrett's own credentials that shocked even his supporters. Mr. says, " It is very important that a very responsible judge in Barrett's hometown recognized that he was making false allegations and dismissed the case. Barrett has cost untoward numbers of consumers pain, anguish and probably serious harm by his misrepresentation of the facts about subjects ranging from acupuncture to zinc. " Mr. , who among other campaigns led the team that got acupuncture needles approved as safe by FDA, worked with a Senate committee to abolish the dysfunctional vaccine regulatory agency, worked with whistleblowers to stop the Swine Flu inoculation campaign, kept aspartame off the market for ten years, and played a key role in lobbying the Organic Food Production Act through Congress (all areas on which the Foundation for Health Choice focuses), says, " Our objective is to end Barrett's abuse of consumers by eliminating the false and misleading information from his website and his entire network of websites and replacing it with sound, useful information for consumers. " Says Dr. Koren, " This is just the beginning. Just as the FTC battle was not about Tedd Koren alone but had ramifications for the entire chiropractic and natural health professions so the Barrett v. Koren battle will have major ramifications for all. We're going to give the Quackbusters a taste of their own medicine. They'll learn how dangerous medicine can be. " " Our mission is not just about revealing the Quackbusters to be the unscientific bigots that they are. We are fighting for health care freedom. One of our goals is to permit parents to make sound decisions about vaccination for their children. There are too many sound health reasons for certain children to avoid vaccination and the government has recognized too many vaccine caused deaths and maimings (over $1.5 billion of compensation has been paid to bereaved families by the federal vaccine injury compensation system since 1988) to allow a non-vaccinated child to be refused day care, school, college, or employment, " says Dr. Koren. Mr. is also lead counsel in a case brought against Barrett by Dr. Don on, the chiropractor who founded and leads Chiropractic Biophysics.Join The Foundation for Health Choice Free, Make a Contribution Dr. Koren, Jim and others have formed The Foundation for Health Choice (www.foundationforhealthchoice.com) to fight for health care freedom. The Foundation for Health Choice has a comprehensive multi-phase strategy to advance consumer access to the wide variety of health and wellness initiatives available to consumers that do not involve drugs, surgery or radiation, including: Providing access to information currently resisted by the established medical system, Investigating and reporting on activities and organizations that undermine chiropractic, naturopathic, homeopathic, acupuncture and other non dug based approaches to health and well being, Working to eliminate concealment of evidence of such modalities' usefulness, the undercutting of insurance programs for patients, and the subverting of government inquiries by special interests, And numerous other activities to eliminate the monopoly over health care that currently exists in this country. Says Dr. Koren, " The Foundation needs members and donors, especially monthly donors, to sustain its activities. Ten dollars a month from enough people can make a big difference. Please go to our web site. www.foundationforhealthchoice.com. " Sign up to receive our free newsletter and updates. Please join us. Visit us, write to us, support us at www.foundationforhealthchoice.com. -- Ian Cribb former P.Eng. (resigned in good standing) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2008 Report Share Posted June 4, 2008 Bethany, I'm very leery of any article that starts out sounding like a independent newspaper article, but ends up with an appeal for more supporters and donations. I quote " Please join us. Visit us, write to us, support us at www.foundationforhealthchoice.com. " I suspect Quakerbuster was started up to fight the claims of Juice plus (and the like) and Foundation for health choice was started up to counter act the claims Quakerbusters. Ian (52) PSC 89 I just can't resist sending this along as well… The author of the articles sent in from mlmwatch.org is a fraud. If you are interested: Subject: Fw: Barret Loses Appeal, Leaves Town Barrett Loses Appeal, Leaves Town Fight Back, Join the Foundation for Health ChoiceSelf proclaimed Quackbuster, Barrett, MD, recently handed crushing defeats by chiropractor Tedd Koren and Ilena Rosenthal, has announced he is leaving his home town and operating base in town, Pennsylvania. On June 11th, 2007, the Superior Court of Pennsylvania affirmed a lower court dismissal of Barrett's defamation suite against Dr. Koren. Barrett's case was so lacking in merit the judge blocked it from going to the jury. Barrett simply had no case against Dr. Koren. This followed another stunning defeat last month in California. There an appeals court ordered Barrett and crony Terry Polevoy, MD to post bonds of more than $400,000.00 after they lost a defamation case against Illena Rosenthal virtually identical to the Koren case. Perhaps the fact that lawyers and judges in town are catching on to his intimidation schemes explains why Barrett is moving to Chapel Hill, North Carolina. Barrett can run but he can't hide. Chapel Hill collection attorneys are already being asked to locate his assets to pay his unmet legal obligations. Assets of other Quackwatch, Inc., principals might also be sought. Who Is Barrett, What Are Quackbusters? Barrett is an unlicensed Pennsylvania psychiatrist, who, though he failed his psychiatric boards and has been criticized for his lack of expertise by several courts, still claims to often advise the Federal Trade Commission (FTC), the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), the FBI, State Attorneys General, HMOs, Consumer Reports, medical journals and state medical, chiropractic and dental boards. The insurance industry cites Barrett's highly opinionated " Quackbuster " attacks to deny paying claims for chiropractic and other natural healthcare. Barrett and the " Quackbusters, " a vigilante group of self proclaimed skeptics of any medical or health modality that avoids drugs, surgery or radiation, attack almost all non-conventional healthcare practices as quackery. Ignoring all scientific research to the contrary, they dismiss Gulf War Syndrome, Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, Chemical Sensitivity, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, and dietary supplements as rubbish. Double Nobel Prize winner Linus ing is on their " quack " hit list along with many well known and respected doctors and scientists, including Deepak Chopra, Weil, and dozens of others. Barrett claims to give over 500 interviews a year to newspapers, magazines, and television shows, including CNN and the Today Show. He claims to have been a peer reviewer for seven medical journals, including the Journal of the American Medical Association, even though he had no license to practice medicine when he did the reviewing. The Quackbusters run over 70 websites. Millions of people go to them every year. Look up chiropractic, acupuncture, homeopathy or even vitamin C, as well as almost every other natural health topic, on the Internet and you (and the public) will be led to Quackbuster sites advising you of natural health " dangers. " In all these forums Barrett and the Quackbusters relentlessly attack the consumer right to informed choice. These activities continue the AMA's anti-quackery committee's activities that were struck down by federal courts as an illegal restraint of trade in a landmark lawsuit brought by Illinois chiropractor Chester Wilk. They also help insurance companies deny consumer reimbursement claims. At the same time, Barrett flacks for products like aspartame (NutraSweet), which is the subject of tens of thousands of consumer complaints. Question (asked on Barrett's web site): " An email message is being circulated with many statements to the effect that aspartame is dangerous. How worried should I be? " Answer (from Barrett): " Not at all. The message is pure rubbish. " What Did Dr. Koren Do to Provoke Barrett's Shakedown?Dr. Tedd Koren is a well-known chiropractor, researcher, writer and lecturer. Barrett sued Dr. Koren in 2003 for calling him a Quackpot, saying he was in big trouble because of a racketeering law suit brought against him and attacking his lack of a medical license in his internet newsletter. The trial judge and three appeals judges agreed unanimously that these statements were so far from defamation that no jury could be legally allowed to call them defamation. Dr. Koren also said Barrett was " delicensed. " One of the three appeals courts judges thought a jury might be able to find this to be defamation. However two appellate judges disagreed and jurors interviewed after the trial said they too saw through Barrett and felt that he was a litigious, ungrounded and biased denier of the truth. In part jurors formed this view because Barrett testified with great self-satisfaction in the Koren case that he had sued many doctors-close to forty-in similar cases, demanding up to $100,000 if they wished to avoid a costly lawsuit. Some paid-how many is yet to be discovered. Drs. Koren and Rosenthal and a few others did not. Barrett has failed to win a single lawsuit in this shakedown scheme. Dr. Koren's Legal TeamWell known consumer advocate, S. (Jim) , general counsel to Koren Publications, who several years earlier had persuaded the FTC to drop an investigation against Dr. Koren (brought at a time when Barrett was a consultant to the FTC), organized and coordinated the legal team that represented Dr. Koren. Attorney Reid of town, Pennsylvania acted as associate trial counsel and appellate counsel and California health freedom attorney Negrete acted as trial counsel., Mr. Negrete said, " Fortunately for all of his colleagues, Dr. Koren decided not to back down and took the case to trial. Barrett is part of a group of intolerant individuals. I am not certain who the supporters of the so-called Quackbusters are, but they seem to me to be just skinheads with stethoscopes. " During heated and often dramatic courtroom proceedings, Mr. Negrete pointed out many of the questionable statements Barrett includes on his websites attacking chiropractic, as well as facts about Barrett's own credentials that shocked even his supporters. Mr. says, " It is very important that a very responsible judge in Barrett's hometown recognized that he was making false allegations and dismissed the case. Barrett has cost untoward numbers of consumers pain, anguish and probably serious harm by his misrepresentation of the facts about subjects ranging from acupuncture to zinc. " Mr. , who among other campaigns led the team that got acupuncture needles approved as safe by FDA, worked with a Senate committee to abolish the dysfunctional vaccine regulatory agency, worked with whistleblowers to stop the Swine Flu inoculation campaign, kept aspartame off the market for ten years, and played a key role in lobbying the Organic Food Production Act through Congress (all areas on which the Foundation for Health Choice focuses), says, " Our objective is to end Barrett's abuse of consumers by eliminating the false and misleading information from his website and his entire network of websites and replacing it with sound, useful information for consumers. " Says Dr. Koren, " This is just the beginning. Just as the FTC battle was not about Tedd Koren alone but had ramifications for the entire chiropractic and natural health professions so the Barrett v. Koren battle will have major ramifications for all. We're going to give the Quackbusters a taste of their own medicine. They'll learn how dangerous medicine can be. " " Our mission is not just about revealing the Quackbusters to be the unscientific bigots that they are. We are fighting for health care freedom. One of our goals is to permit parents to make sound decisions about vaccination for their children. There are too many sound health reasons for certain children to avoid vaccination and the government has recognized too many vaccine caused deaths and maimings (over $1.5 billion of compensation has been paid to bereaved families by the federal vaccine injury compensation system since 1988) to allow a non-vaccinated child to be refused day care, school, college, or employment, " says Dr. Koren. Mr. is also lead counsel in a case brought against Barrett by Dr. Don on, the chiropractor who founded and leads Chiropractic Biophysics.Join The Foundation for Health Choice Free, Make a Contribution Dr. Koren, Jim and others have formed The Foundation for Health Choice (www.foundationforhealthchoice.com) to fight for health care freedom. The Foundation for Health Choice has a comprehensive multi-phase strategy to advance consumer access to the wide variety of health and wellness initiatives available to consumers that do not involve drugs, surgery or radiation, including: Providing access to information currently resisted by the established medical system, Investigating and reporting on activities and organizations that undermine chiropractic, naturopathic, homeopathic, acupuncture and other non dug based approaches to health and well being, Working to eliminate concealment of evidence of such modalities' usefulness, the undercutting of insurance programs for patients, and the subverting of government inquiries by special interests, And numerous other activities to eliminate the monopoly over health care that currently exists in this country. Says Dr. Koren, " The Foundation needs members and donors, especially monthly donors, to sustain its activities. Ten dollars a month from enough people can make a big difference. Please go to our web site. www.foundationforhealthchoice.com. " Sign up to receive our free newsletter and updates. Please join us. Visit us, write to us, support us at www.foundationforhealthchoice.com. -- Ian Cribb former P.Eng. (resigned in good standing) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2008 Report Share Posted June 4, 2008 I suppose that made my eyebrows raise as well, but, I am leery of anyone claiming to be a doctor…there are so many things you can be a doctor of…LOL It was my understanding (be leery of that too…LOL) that this article was published in their own newsletter…so, that may be why it sounds like that. I almost didn’t send the article because of that…but it was interesting reading. LOL I suppose it is better to be leery of everything! If I wasn’t so desperate for something just anything to help I may not have ever tried Juice Plus…I mean I looked at that capsule and said “seventeen servings in this? Yeah right!” but…I said I could at least try it and see. And seeing was believing for me. It is a great product, I only wish that it was given out by the doctors instead of a direct distributor thing…however, there is a great story of why it is a distributor thing instead of being in the stores…the guy who started the whole thing tried for years to get it in stores and if I remember the story correctly he first tried to get a drug manufacturer to produce it, but was turned down and even shunned by everyone he went to. NSA even turned their back on him the first time he presented it to them. Then when they realized what a great product it was they decided to do it and they stopped selling anything else…now all they do is Juice Plus. They used to do filters and smoke alarms. Well, I won’t beat a dead horse, but this Dr. Barrett is not even a licensed doctor. He was a shrink until he devoted his life to lawsuits and a website…I don’t think that makes him credible. Just my not so humble opinion though ;-) I do agree not to go into thinking that you will find an easy cure in a pill bottle. But sometimes you can find a better quality of life as and I have found in changing our diet, and as a part of that diet taking Juice Plus because I can’t afford in time or money to juice my own fruits and veggies. In Christ's Love, Bethany Hunt " And he [Jesus] is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. " 1 2:2 From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Ian Cribb Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 1:22 PM To: Subject: Re: Juice Plus is a Minus Bethany, I'm very leery of any article that starts out sounding like a independent newspaper article, but ends up with an appeal for more supporters and donations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2008 Report Share Posted June 4, 2008 I suppose that made my eyebrows raise as well, but, I am leery of anyone claiming to be a doctor…there are so many things you can be a doctor of…LOL It was my understanding (be leery of that too…LOL) that this article was published in their own newsletter…so, that may be why it sounds like that. I almost didn’t send the article because of that…but it was interesting reading. LOL I suppose it is better to be leery of everything! If I wasn’t so desperate for something just anything to help I may not have ever tried Juice Plus…I mean I looked at that capsule and said “seventeen servings in this? Yeah right!” but…I said I could at least try it and see. And seeing was believing for me. It is a great product, I only wish that it was given out by the doctors instead of a direct distributor thing…however, there is a great story of why it is a distributor thing instead of being in the stores…the guy who started the whole thing tried for years to get it in stores and if I remember the story correctly he first tried to get a drug manufacturer to produce it, but was turned down and even shunned by everyone he went to. NSA even turned their back on him the first time he presented it to them. Then when they realized what a great product it was they decided to do it and they stopped selling anything else…now all they do is Juice Plus. They used to do filters and smoke alarms. Well, I won’t beat a dead horse, but this Dr. Barrett is not even a licensed doctor. He was a shrink until he devoted his life to lawsuits and a website…I don’t think that makes him credible. Just my not so humble opinion though ;-) I do agree not to go into thinking that you will find an easy cure in a pill bottle. But sometimes you can find a better quality of life as and I have found in changing our diet, and as a part of that diet taking Juice Plus because I can’t afford in time or money to juice my own fruits and veggies. In Christ's Love, Bethany Hunt " And he [Jesus] is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. " 1 2:2 From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Ian Cribb Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 1:22 PM To: Subject: Re: Juice Plus is a Minus Bethany, I'm very leery of any article that starts out sounding like a independent newspaper article, but ends up with an appeal for more supporters and donations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2008 Report Share Posted June 4, 2008 I suppose that made my eyebrows raise as well, but, I am leery of anyone claiming to be a doctor…there are so many things you can be a doctor of…LOL It was my understanding (be leery of that too…LOL) that this article was published in their own newsletter…so, that may be why it sounds like that. I almost didn’t send the article because of that…but it was interesting reading. LOL I suppose it is better to be leery of everything! If I wasn’t so desperate for something just anything to help I may not have ever tried Juice Plus…I mean I looked at that capsule and said “seventeen servings in this? Yeah right!” but…I said I could at least try it and see. And seeing was believing for me. It is a great product, I only wish that it was given out by the doctors instead of a direct distributor thing…however, there is a great story of why it is a distributor thing instead of being in the stores…the guy who started the whole thing tried for years to get it in stores and if I remember the story correctly he first tried to get a drug manufacturer to produce it, but was turned down and even shunned by everyone he went to. NSA even turned their back on him the first time he presented it to them. Then when they realized what a great product it was they decided to do it and they stopped selling anything else…now all they do is Juice Plus. They used to do filters and smoke alarms. Well, I won’t beat a dead horse, but this Dr. Barrett is not even a licensed doctor. He was a shrink until he devoted his life to lawsuits and a website…I don’t think that makes him credible. Just my not so humble opinion though ;-) I do agree not to go into thinking that you will find an easy cure in a pill bottle. But sometimes you can find a better quality of life as and I have found in changing our diet, and as a part of that diet taking Juice Plus because I can’t afford in time or money to juice my own fruits and veggies. In Christ's Love, Bethany Hunt " And he [Jesus] is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. " 1 2:2 From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Ian Cribb Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 1:22 PM To: Subject: Re: Juice Plus is a Minus Bethany, I'm very leery of any article that starts out sounding like a independent newspaper article, but ends up with an appeal for more supporters and donations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2008 Report Share Posted June 4, 2008 -----Original Message----- I'm very leery of any article that starts out sounding like a independent newspaper article, but ends up with an appeal for more supporters and donations. I think we can all agree that’s it’s good to know all points of view. We can also agree to ask your doctor before taking anything. People are free to speak their minds about anything here. Pros and Cons are welcomed, then folks can read for themselves and decide their own course of action. I would ask people who want to know, read more about Quackwatch. One web site with information on just about everything (with both sides covered equally) has a really great article about Quackwatch. I should also mention: “Quackwatch now engages the services of 150+ scientific and technical advisors. As of 2003, 67 medical advisors, 12 dental advisors, 13 mental health advisors, 16 nutrition and food science advisors, 3 podiatry advisors, 8 veterinary advisors, and 33 " other scientific and technical advisors were listed.” Quackwatch is a non-profit, and “there are no paid employees.” While Foundation for health choice is a company. In part the article states: “Sources that have mentioned Quackwatch.org (formerly .com) as a resource for consumer information include the United States Department of Agriculture, the American Journal of Pharmaceutical Education, The Lancet, the Journal of Marketing Education, the Medical Journal of Australia, the Journal of the American Dietetic Association, the U.S. Department of Health & Human Services, the Diet Channel, and the Skeptic’s Dictionary. Websites of libraries across the Unites States of America, include links to Quackwatch as a source for consumer information. In addition, nutrition associations link to Quackwatch. Quackwatch has been mentioned in the media, reviews and various journals, as well as receiving several awards and honors. In 1998, Quackwatch was recognized by the Journal of the American Medical Association as one of nine " select sites that provide reliable health information and resources. " It was also listed as one of three medical sites of U.S. News & World Report's " Best of the Web " in 1999: A web site review by Forbes magazine describes the site as a homegrown but well-organized site, that seeks to expose unproven medical treatments and unsafe practices, mainly attacking alternative medicine, homeopathy and chiropractors in a rather harsh tone.” Read for yourself: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quackwatch That’s it from me on this subject, decide for yourselves, but please do speak to your doctor first. Barb in Texas - Together in the Fight.... Whatever it Takes! ___ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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