Guest guest Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 But if you are not given a choice it is not elective. Ora >When I had my children (which was a very long time ago), I had a choice of >whether I had natural childbirth or gas and/or an episiotomy. (That will >tell you how long it was LOL). I elected to have gas and an episiotomy. I >can still feel the scar, which is quite long as I had 9 and 10lb babies. I >thought now that women still have a choice of whether they have an >episiotomy or not (I will have to ask my daughters), and I thought a local >anesthetic was given if you decided to have one. As I mentioned, my babies >were delivered a long time ago, so now is it ever medically necessary (for >whatever reason) to have an episiotomy, if you didn't want one? So if you >are given a choice, wouldn't that make it elective? Just my opinion, I would >never even think an episiotomy as barbaric. And another name for barbaric is >brutal. I personally don't think an episiotomy is brutal, any more than any >other medical procedure that requires cutting. But that' just me - to me it >falls into the same category as all elective surgery. And isn't all surgery >elective, unless it is an emergency? But if you are not given a choice it is not elective. >If a doctor does it for (I think this is what you probably meant) as a >convenience for him, what about the new surgery where they use a camera. I >elected to have that - I thought it would be great - instead of a huge >incision, they would go in one tiny hole in the abdomen region. (This was >for gall bladder surgery and I also had it in my neck for thyroid surgery). >But after the fact, I ended up having three holes in my abdomen and neck, as >the doctor explained - the extra holes are where my doctor placed her >instruments and camera. They could have just connected the dots and made one >long incision. This procedure could also be called a convenience for the >doctor. > >nne > > > >From: VulvarDisorders >[mailto:VulvarDisorders ] On Behalf Of taurusrc@... >Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 2:34 AM >To: VulvarDisorders >Subject: [sPAM] Re: Surgeons > > > >In my opinion, episiotomy is the most barbaric thing that gyns do. They do >it >with no anesthetic and it is done with no warning and sudden unexpected pain >on >top of what the mother is already suffering if she is having " natural " >childbirth by choice or otherwise. I could not compare it to a pre-planned >elective surgical procedure. > >Ora Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 I recently had something similar - arthroscopy for meniscus repair in my knee. they made two small incisions a 3-1/2 inches apart and the surgeon went in with his camera and instruments (probably stretching the skin extraordinarily) and repaired my meniscus. However the incisions have not yet healed and I now have RSD in that leg, I suspect because the holes were so small and have not healed inside although they are completely closed on the outside. Also the skin stretching could be a factor. Even the small holes where the stitch was inserted have not healed. (over two months afterwards). When I had my tubal ligation after my last child I could feel them grab the skin and stretch the skin to go inside with their instruments to tie off the tubes. I told them that I could feel everything and they asked me how it felt. I told them that it felt like they were using pliers to stretch the skin and they commented that they were not using pliers. The epidural which was supposed to prevent pain had stopped working or never did work in that area. That type of surgery is being used for many procedures now. A friend had it for gall bladder problems and was out of the hospital in a day or so whereas gall bladder surgery used to be very painful with long painful recovery. It is a convenience for everyone involved when it works properly, especially the insurance companies. Ora > what about the new surgery where they use a camera. I >elected to have that - I thought it would be great - instead of a huge >incision, they would go in one tiny hole in the abdomen region. (This was >for gall bladder surgery and I also had it in my neck for thyroid surgery). >But after the fact, I ended up having three holes in my abdomen and neck, as >the doctor explained - the extra holes are where my doctor placed her >instruments and camera. They could have just connected the dots and made one >long incision. This procedure could also be called a convenience for the >doctor. > >nne > > > >From: VulvarDisorders >[mailto:VulvarDisorders ] On Behalf Of taurusrc@... >Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 2:34 AM >To: VulvarDisorders >Subject: [sPAM] Re: Surgeons > > > >In my opinion, episiotomy is the most barbaric thing that gyns do. They do >it >with no anesthetic and it is done with no warning and sudden unexpected pain >on >top of what the mother is already suffering if she is having " natural " >childbirth by choice or otherwise. I could not compare it to a pre-planned >elective surgical procedure. > >Ora Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 I recently had something similar - arthroscopy for meniscus repair in my knee. they made two small incisions a 3-1/2 inches apart and the surgeon went in with his camera and instruments (probably stretching the skin extraordinarily) and repaired my meniscus. However the incisions have not yet healed and I now have RSD in that leg, I suspect because the holes were so small and have not healed inside although they are completely closed on the outside. Also the skin stretching could be a factor. Even the small holes where the stitch was inserted have not healed. (over two months afterwards). When I had my tubal ligation after my last child I could feel them grab the skin and stretch the skin to go inside with their instruments to tie off the tubes. I told them that I could feel everything and they asked me how it felt. I told them that it felt like they were using pliers to stretch the skin and they commented that they were not using pliers. The epidural which was supposed to prevent pain had stopped working or never did work in that area. That type of surgery is being used for many procedures now. A friend had it for gall bladder problems and was out of the hospital in a day or so whereas gall bladder surgery used to be very painful with long painful recovery. It is a convenience for everyone involved when it works properly, especially the insurance companies. Ora > what about the new surgery where they use a camera. I >elected to have that - I thought it would be great - instead of a huge >incision, they would go in one tiny hole in the abdomen region. (This was >for gall bladder surgery and I also had it in my neck for thyroid surgery). >But after the fact, I ended up having three holes in my abdomen and neck, as >the doctor explained - the extra holes are where my doctor placed her >instruments and camera. They could have just connected the dots and made one >long incision. This procedure could also be called a convenience for the >doctor. > >nne > > > >From: VulvarDisorders >[mailto:VulvarDisorders ] On Behalf Of taurusrc@... >Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 2:34 AM >To: VulvarDisorders >Subject: [sPAM] Re: Surgeons > > > >In my opinion, episiotomy is the most barbaric thing that gyns do. They do >it >with no anesthetic and it is done with no warning and sudden unexpected pain >on >top of what the mother is already suffering if she is having " natural " >childbirth by choice or otherwise. I could not compare it to a pre-planned >elective surgical procedure. > >Ora Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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