pictures

[Guest guest]

> Okay, we have the pictures!! I have to take a shower in a second

and be to work at 1. If isn't on here tonight when I get home

I will work on your album Athena!

>

>

Awww thanks sandra.. how do I put info on the album about me and the

backgrounds like i see there?

[Guest guest]

If you have pictures that you would like to share saved on your pc

i.e c drive, desktop, etc. what you can do is write an email, then

click on the paperclip or attachment button - a box will open and you

will go to the area you have your pictures saved - click on the ones

you want to send and then email them to either myself, sandra, or

here to the group. will then place them in the photo albums.

If you email them to me personally I will put them in the album as

well. I do not get individual emails so if you send them here to the

group sandra can then save them and place in the album.

Is this the explanation you meant ?

> Can somebody help Athena on how to send me her pics? I only know

about scanning them. Would really appreciate it!

>

>

[Guest guest]

> > Can somebody help Athena on how to send me her pics? I only know

> about scanning them. Would really appreciate it!

> >

> >

Thanks deanna, I think I got them all attach and sent they were

posted and sandra said she would work on the album thanks so much

for all your help...

hugs

Athena

[Guest guest]

I know EMS people should follow policy on pictures of EMS incidents.

Do we have any control or any concern over pictures taken by law enforcement.

For instance, the patient wrecked his Vespa and broke his petulla oblongotta

(ask Opie ) while we are taking care of him the police officer walks up

with his handy dandy XQ9000 camera phone and takes picture of injury.

I seriously doubt the picture is part of any accident investigation process. Do

we tackle him and crush his phone, or do we just keep doing our job and let him

do whatever he is doing.

What about newspaper people, I have threatened them with serious bodily injury

before for taking pictures of my patients, but do we have any concerns about

non-EMS people photographing our patients?

[Guest guest]

, in a previous life I was the editor of a newspaper and spend

many years as the person from the paper covering emergency services...so

I have been both the photographer and person selecting the photos that

ran. Unless the laws have changed dramatically, the rule of thumb is

that if I can see if from the street it's fair game to photograph. If

the patient from the Vespa is lying on the sidewalk, I can shoot it.

That said, I also have to stay behind what ever barricade/barrier that

is in place to keep the public and onlookers out of the way or with the

media if they are segregated to a specific area. If I get in the way of

the cops/medics/fire then I can suffer the consequences.

As a sense of my own morals, I tried to shy away from shooting uncovered

dead bodies, anything that shows someone's private parts, patient's

faces (particularly if they were critically hurt or mangled) - basically

anything that Joe Reader wouldn't want to look at over his morning

cereal. That said, anything that I could get that showed the dedication

of the rescuers and the drama of the event was good to go as long as I

kept the morning cereal reader in mind. Was it a photo that I would mind

if the person in it was my wife or child? That may be why I had a great

relationship with my emergency services that I worked with and never won

a Pulitzer.

I would suggest at some point having a sit down with the local editors

to see how you can both meet your needs while on the scene. Yours to

treat patients with dignity and theirs to cover the events of the day.

The trick is to do this in a manner that doesn't violate the other's

goals. By having this understanding with those I covered, I was able to

get additional access to emergency scenes so that I could tell the story

better which also made them look good in the eyes of the public. It's a

real trust thing. (And I've seen what happens when it gets

violated...the guys with the shields can limit your access - not stop -

which makes it a little harder to get the job done.)

Just a thought from an old EMT and editor.

Barry

Barry Sharp, MSHP, CHES

Program Coordinator

Tobacco Prevention & Control

Texas Dept. of State Health Services

Barry.Sharp@...

PLEASE NOTE NEW MAILING ADDRESS:

P.O. Box 149347

Mail Code 2018

Austin, Texas 78714-9347

________________________________

From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On

Behalf Of Dublin EMS

Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 10:42 AM

To: texasems-l

Subject: pictures

I know EMS people should follow policy on pictures of EMS incidents.

Do we have any control or any concern over pictures taken by law

enforcement. For instance, the patient wrecked his Vespa and broke his

petulla oblongotta (ask Opie ) while we are taking care of him the

police officer walks up with his handy dandy XQ9000 camera phone and

takes picture of injury.

I seriously doubt the picture is part of any accident investigation

process. Do we tackle him and crush his phone, or do we just keep doing

our job and let him do whatever he is doing.

What about newspaper people, I have threatened them with serious bodily

injury before for taking pictures of my patients, but do we have any

concerns about non-EMS people photographing our patients?

[Guest guest]

, was that primarily due to the audio of the conversation itself

(which does violate patient/provider privacy) or just because there is a

general perception of privacy once inside the vehicle? I'm not sure how

still photos would have the same effect, particularly if it is in plain

sight of the public. (Of course, that's another good reason to always

shut the door once the patient is on board.)

Barry

Barry Sharp, MSHP, CHES

Program Coordinator

Tobacco Prevention & Control

Texas Dept. of State Health Services

Barry.Sharp@...

PLEASE NOTE NEW MAILING ADDRESS:

P.O. Box 149347

Mail Code 2018

Austin, Texas 78714-9347

________________________________

From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On

Behalf Of LaChance

Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 11:15 AM

To: texasems-l

Subject: RE: pictures

The only thing I would add to that is that it is a privacy violation to

take pictures of you and your patient inside an ambulance (or helicopter

- the California Supreme Court in 1998 ruled against the producers of On

Scene: Emergency Response for videotaping conversations between a

car-accident victim and a nurse on a medical evacuation helicopter.).

LaChance, BA, EMT-P

Department of Emergency Medicine Education

UT Southwestern Medical Center

Dallas, TX 75390-8890

>>> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 11:06 AM, in message

44B6C07D1B0F6947853EB1BBED5E9521049EEF40@...

>, " Sharp, Barry " barry.sharp@...

> wrote:

, in a previous life I was the editor of a newspaper and spend

many years as the person from the paper covering emergency services...so

I have been both the photographer and person selecting the photos that

ran. Unless the laws have changed dramatically, the rule of thumb is

that if I can see if from the street it's fair game to photograph. If

the patient from the Vespa is lying on the sidewalk, I can shoot it.

That said, I also have to stay behind what ever barricade/barrier that

is in place to keep the public and onlookers out of the way or with the

media if they are segregated to a specific area. If I get in the way of

the cops/medics/fire then I can suffer the consequences.

As a sense of my own morals, I tried to shy away from shooting uncovered

dead bodies, anything that shows someone's private parts, patient's

faces (particularly if they were critically hurt or mangled) - basically

anything that Joe Reader wouldn't want to look at over his morning

cereal. That said, anything that I could get that showed the dedication

of the rescuers and the drama of the event was good to go as long as I

kept the morning cereal reader in mind. Was it a photo that I would mind

if the person in it was my wife or child? That may be why I had a great

relationship with my emergency services that I worked with and never won

a Pulitzer.

I would suggest at some point having a sit down with the local editors

to see how you can both meet your needs while on the scene. Yours to

treat patients with dignity and theirs to cover the events of the day.

The trick is to do this in a manner that doesn't violate the other's

goals. By having this understanding with those I covered, I was able to

get additional access to emergency scenes so that I could tell the story

better which also made them look good in the eyes of the public. It's a

real trust thing. (And I've seen what happens when it gets

violated...the guys with the shields can limit your access - not stop -

which makes it a little harder to get the job done.)

Just a thought from an old EMT and editor.

Barry

Barry Sharp, MSHP, CHES

Program Coordinator

Tobacco Prevention & Control

Texas Dept. of State Health Services

Barry.Sharp@... (

mailto:Barry.Sharp%40dshs.state.tx.us )

PLEASE NOTE NEW MAILING ADDRESS:

P.O. Box 149347

Mail Code 2018

Austin, Texas 78714-9347

________________________________

From: texasems-l

( mailto:texasems-l%40yahoogroups.com )

[mailto:texasems-l

( mailto:texasems-l%40yahoogroups.com )] On

Behalf Of Dublin EMS

Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 10:42 AM

To: texasems-l (

mailto:texasems-l%40yahoogroups.com )

Subject: pictures

I know EMS people should follow policy on pictures of EMS incidents.

Do we have any control or any concern over pictures taken by law

enforcement. For instance, the patient wrecked his Vespa and broke his

petulla oblongotta (ask Opie ) while we are taking care of him the

police officer walks up with his handy dandy XQ9000 camera phone and

takes picture of injury.

I seriously doubt the picture is part of any accident investigation

process. Do we tackle him and crush his phone, or do we just keep doing

our job and let him do whatever he is doing.

What about newspaper people, I have threatened them with serious bodily

injury before for taking pictures of my patients, but do we have any

concerns about non-EMS people photographing our patients?

[Guest guest]

On Friday, March 13, 2009 11:48, " Hudson " mhudson@...>

said:

> Every Joe and Suzie Blow have a cell phone cam. The internet is chucked full

of

> sites dedicated to necrophilic ghouls sending in photos of mass trauma

patients

> and the dead, and other necrophilic ghouls peeping in on those sites thus

keeping

> them up and going. Most photos are taken right after the incident and before

PD,

> EMS, FD arrive.

Exactly. Like Barry, I too spend a decade in the news media. They are the last

people you need to be worrying about. If you think that the local newspaper or

television station are going to publish or broadcast explicit or prurient photos

of your victim, then you haven't been watching the news or reading the

newspaper. They don't do it. We just don't use that stuff. No dead bodies.

No gruesome injuries. No exposed parts. Usually not even an identifiable face,

depending upon circumstances. Readers and viewers don't want it. We get

flooded with complaints if it happens. The news media exists to attract viewers

and readers, not push them away.

A good rule of thumb in EMS is, if you didn't learn it in school, you probably

shouldn't be doing it. In three decades, I have yet to see an EMT or paramedic

school that has hassling the media in their curriculum. Unless they are

physically obstructing you, it is not your job. Do your job and let them do

theirs. Again, they are the last people you need to worry about. They respect

the job you have to do. They want a good relationship with you, and will go out

of their way to accommodate you. Same with the police. But neither of you have

any duty or right to obstruct their job so long as they are not obstructing

yours. At the very least, they are going to be less likely to have any concern

for whether their photos or stories show you in a positive light. They can make

or break your image. And if you keep up with the threats of physical violence,

one of them is likely to call your bluff and have you arrested for assault.

Rob