Re: chelation, ND visit, and hyper symptoms

[Guest guest]

Take a deep breath....

I've been in your shoes. 4 years ago I had all my amlagams out.

I had read about Andy's protocal and thought -hmmm... how easy, how

inexpensive. But, my programmed mind made me go to expensive and

potientally dangerous docs. They just wanted more and more money.

I wasn't getting better, and my bank account was shrinking. I did

a round of ALA - felt great than had sideffects. Did a round of

dmps - vision got crystal clear -- than had side-effects. Got

scared - tried a protocal for lyme that was so simple. Didn't help

really - maybe a little -- it probably did kill some bacteria I

had.

Anyway, back to Andy's book. Got started on adrenal/thyroid like

he said. Started seeing some improvements. Started dmps again at a

lower dose -- seeing a tiny improvement. Going to start ala soon.

I just believe this is the right path for me.

Now,I wish I had done this 4 years ago. I would have saved money

and I'd probably be well by now. Don't get scared by some of the

reactions to chelation. Remember -- you're moving a highly toxic

material through your body. Ask questions here - it's free!- and

lower your dose. For me, it was that simple - once I lowered my

dose, the scary stuff stopped.

Andy -- radical?? Yeah, he wants to help people get well and not

rob them blind in the process. I guess to most docs - that is

radical.

[Guest guest]

Take a deep breath....

I've been in your shoes. 4 years ago I had all my amlagams out.

I had read about Andy's protocal and thought -hmmm... how easy, how

inexpensive. But, my programmed mind made me go to expensive and

potientally dangerous docs. They just wanted more and more money.

I wasn't getting better, and my bank account was shrinking. I did

a round of ALA - felt great than had sideffects. Did a round of

dmps - vision got crystal clear -- than had side-effects. Got

scared - tried a protocal for lyme that was so simple. Didn't help

really - maybe a little -- it probably did kill some bacteria I

had.

Anyway, back to Andy's book. Got started on adrenal/thyroid like

he said. Started seeing some improvements. Started dmps again at a

lower dose -- seeing a tiny improvement. Going to start ala soon.

I just believe this is the right path for me.

Now,I wish I had done this 4 years ago. I would have saved money

and I'd probably be well by now. Don't get scared by some of the

reactions to chelation. Remember -- you're moving a highly toxic

material through your body. Ask questions here - it's free!- and

lower your dose. For me, it was that simple - once I lowered my

dose, the scary stuff stopped.

Andy -- radical?? Yeah, he wants to help people get well and not

rob them blind in the process. I guess to most docs - that is

radical.

[Guest guest]

Take a deep breath....

I've been in your shoes. 4 years ago I had all my amlagams out.

I had read about Andy's protocal and thought -hmmm... how easy, how

inexpensive. But, my programmed mind made me go to expensive and

potientally dangerous docs. They just wanted more and more money.

I wasn't getting better, and my bank account was shrinking. I did

a round of ALA - felt great than had sideffects. Did a round of

dmps - vision got crystal clear -- than had side-effects. Got

scared - tried a protocal for lyme that was so simple. Didn't help

really - maybe a little -- it probably did kill some bacteria I

had.

Anyway, back to Andy's book. Got started on adrenal/thyroid like

he said. Started seeing some improvements. Started dmps again at a

lower dose -- seeing a tiny improvement. Going to start ala soon.

I just believe this is the right path for me.

Now,I wish I had done this 4 years ago. I would have saved money

and I'd probably be well by now. Don't get scared by some of the

reactions to chelation. Remember -- you're moving a highly toxic

material through your body. Ask questions here - it's free!- and

lower your dose. For me, it was that simple - once I lowered my

dose, the scary stuff stopped.

Andy -- radical?? Yeah, he wants to help people get well and not

rob them blind in the process. I guess to most docs - that is

radical.

[Guest guest]

>

> Okay, I saw my ND today, and I am totally freaked out and I don't

know what to do. :-( She isn't familiar with Cutler's protocol- go

figure- and she made me sign a paper she typed up saying I was doing

this DMSA on my own, not under her recommendation. Okay, that got me a

little freaked. It gets worse.

> She admitted she doesn't know much about chelation, and she referred

me to a doctor who deals heavily with chelation. I looked at this

guy's website. The first thing he does is a challenge test. Well, he

does it after your kidneys and liver have passed basic blood tests.

Then you make appointments for IV chelation sessions. NO THANKS!

>

> Great, so here I am without a doctor having any idea about what I am

doing. I left Cutler's books with her (so now I don't even have them

to refer to), and she said she is busy but is interested in reading

them. I just can't hold my breath on it. Today I paid her $100, and I

am still trying to figure out what I paid her for- a death sentence to

another doctor with dangerous chelation protocols?!

You need to understand what you are doing well enough to navigate

this process - that is true whether you obtain any services from a

doctor or not.

She is busy and is not going to read the books anytime soon.

You need to get them back for your own reading and reference.

> I am having hyperthyroid symptoms. I have always had hypo symptoms

but never had anything beyond a basic blood test, which was " fine " . I

started getting hyper symptoms a while after trying iodine

supplementation. I stopped all iodine, even from my multi, and I

think/thought the symptoms went away.

>

> I started chelating a week or so later. I did well the first 3 days,

although I have been feeling so good that I would describe it as

euphoric. I am now wondering if that is a mild hyper symptom and my

energy that I thought was from getting my amalgams removed is also

another mild hyper symptom. I really have no idea. Well, today is day

4 of chelation at 25 mg. My heart started beating faster, more

sweating, feeling a little " racy " . I think this is due to chelation

and these are hyper symptoms. I stopped my round.

The main point is you are having more symptoms than you can handle -

this will be controllable by reducing dose on rounds. If you are

having hyper symptoms on off days, that is a different story and

you need to verify that it is hyper symptoms and address it.

> My TSH early last week, when I was feeling good was 0.6. The lab

gave a bottom range of 0.3 as normal, but my ND says 0.6 is hyper. I

was feeling good (not hyper or hypo) when I took the test, but it was

immediately following a couple days that I felt hyper. I guess you

could say my mood was euphoric though. OTOH, if I don't feel like sh*t

and my mood is actually elevated, I have energy, and I am not cold all

the time, I am likely to call that feeling " euphoric. "

I have had euphoric, hyper, and also some very negative emotional

symptoms on rounds. It is confusing because the round usually

starts out feeling good, but can get out of hand. In my case, I

don't think it is hyperthyroid and is probably somewhat different

from your situation, but the point is that keeping the dose low and

keeping the round short makes this manageable.

> I really don't know what to do, and am really considering getting

rid of my ND and consulting with Andy. He does consults, right? I

still can't believe she typed up a paper for me to sign today...and

referred me to a doctor who is more likely to kill me than help me.

:-( I have no medical insurance and feel totally screwed right now...

If you want Andy to consult, you do need to have a licensed

health care provider for that.

None of what you say above is surprising. Very few people

understand mercury. The ND does not know what she is doing - at

least she admits it. The other doc thinks he knows what he is

doing and is very dangerous. Fortunately, you realize this.

> She also wants me to do a toxic element clearance profile, and

called Andy a " radical " when I said I didn't think he thought there

was a point in doing that. Okay, I might not be quoting him right, but

it doesn't stand out to me that he recommends getting urine tests

while chelating...

Urine tests are not informative and usually confuse people.

If you're going to use a doctor, you need one who will let you

do things (supplements, testing, whatever) your own way without

any pressure.

You need to find a comfortable dose of chelator, and get familiar

with what it feels like to chelate. If hyper symptoms are coming

up on rounds, reduce dose. If it is happening off rounds, you

need to address it some other way.

--

> Any advice on any of this would be greatly appreciated!

>

> Thanks,

> Olif

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Okay, I saw my ND today, and I am totally freaked out and I don't

know what to do. :-( She isn't familiar with Cutler's protocol- go

figure- and she made me sign a paper she typed up saying I was doing

this DMSA on my own, not under her recommendation. Okay, that got me a

little freaked. It gets worse.

> She admitted she doesn't know much about chelation, and she referred

me to a doctor who deals heavily with chelation. I looked at this

guy's website. The first thing he does is a challenge test. Well, he

does it after your kidneys and liver have passed basic blood tests.

Then you make appointments for IV chelation sessions. NO THANKS!

>

> Great, so here I am without a doctor having any idea about what I am

doing. I left Cutler's books with her (so now I don't even have them

to refer to), and she said she is busy but is interested in reading

them. I just can't hold my breath on it. Today I paid her $100, and I

am still trying to figure out what I paid her for- a death sentence to

another doctor with dangerous chelation protocols?!

You need to understand what you are doing well enough to navigate

this process - that is true whether you obtain any services from a

doctor or not.

She is busy and is not going to read the books anytime soon.

You need to get them back for your own reading and reference.

> I am having hyperthyroid symptoms. I have always had hypo symptoms

but never had anything beyond a basic blood test, which was " fine " . I

started getting hyper symptoms a while after trying iodine

supplementation. I stopped all iodine, even from my multi, and I

think/thought the symptoms went away.

>

> I started chelating a week or so later. I did well the first 3 days,

although I have been feeling so good that I would describe it as

euphoric. I am now wondering if that is a mild hyper symptom and my

energy that I thought was from getting my amalgams removed is also

another mild hyper symptom. I really have no idea. Well, today is day

4 of chelation at 25 mg. My heart started beating faster, more

sweating, feeling a little " racy " . I think this is due to chelation

and these are hyper symptoms. I stopped my round.

The main point is you are having more symptoms than you can handle -

this will be controllable by reducing dose on rounds. If you are

having hyper symptoms on off days, that is a different story and

you need to verify that it is hyper symptoms and address it.

> My TSH early last week, when I was feeling good was 0.6. The lab

gave a bottom range of 0.3 as normal, but my ND says 0.6 is hyper. I

was feeling good (not hyper or hypo) when I took the test, but it was

immediately following a couple days that I felt hyper. I guess you

could say my mood was euphoric though. OTOH, if I don't feel like sh*t

and my mood is actually elevated, I have energy, and I am not cold all

the time, I am likely to call that feeling " euphoric. "

I have had euphoric, hyper, and also some very negative emotional

symptoms on rounds. It is confusing because the round usually

starts out feeling good, but can get out of hand. In my case, I

don't think it is hyperthyroid and is probably somewhat different

from your situation, but the point is that keeping the dose low and

keeping the round short makes this manageable.

> I really don't know what to do, and am really considering getting

rid of my ND and consulting with Andy. He does consults, right? I

still can't believe she typed up a paper for me to sign today...and

referred me to a doctor who is more likely to kill me than help me.

:-( I have no medical insurance and feel totally screwed right now...

If you want Andy to consult, you do need to have a licensed

health care provider for that.

None of what you say above is surprising. Very few people

understand mercury. The ND does not know what she is doing - at

least she admits it. The other doc thinks he knows what he is

doing and is very dangerous. Fortunately, you realize this.

> She also wants me to do a toxic element clearance profile, and

called Andy a " radical " when I said I didn't think he thought there

was a point in doing that. Okay, I might not be quoting him right, but

it doesn't stand out to me that he recommends getting urine tests

while chelating...

Urine tests are not informative and usually confuse people.

If you're going to use a doctor, you need one who will let you

do things (supplements, testing, whatever) your own way without

any pressure.

You need to find a comfortable dose of chelator, and get familiar

with what it feels like to chelate. If hyper symptoms are coming

up on rounds, reduce dose. If it is happening off rounds, you

need to address it some other way.

--

> Any advice on any of this would be greatly appreciated!

>

> Thanks,

> Olif

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you so much ! I have really been freaking out since my

appointment yesterday. I have really liked my ND, but now I am not sure what to

do...

" She is busy and is not going to read the books anytime soon.

You need to get them back for your own reading and reference. "

You are right. I was really hoping she would take the time and " get it " about

amalgam illness, but this isn't going to happen. She did at least admit today

that I am toxic. I told her I was about 3 months ago.

" If you are

having hyper symptoms on off days, that is a different story and

you need to verify that it is hyper symptoms and address it. "

I was having hyper symptoms when I was trying Lugol's, but they seemed to go

away after I quit all iodine supplementation. In fact, for the first time, my

thyroid has seemed to be working really well. I am no longer cold, and I have

energy. I am pretty sure chelation brought on the hyper symptoms again. I will

stop for a few weeks to see what is going on with my thyroid. I am really

wondering if I might have Hashi's. I have a test kit from canary club here, but

I am not sure if I should take it right after a round. Any thoughts? I would

have to take it this Sunday for the hormone part. Maybe I can do the hormone

part this Sunday, freeze the sample, and do the rest at another time. Hmmm...I

think they might take the TSH from the hormone tube though...

" If you want Andy to consult, you do need to have a licensed

health care provider for that. "

Maybe I should keep her around at least for that then...She is open to me

consulting with Andy. Maybe I should even try to arrange it where the 3 of us

can discuss this together. But then I will basically be paying my ND to let Andy

educate her and paying Andy to do it...

" Urine tests are not informative and usually confuse people. "

Can you please explain how it would be confusing? I imagine I wouldn't show much

mercury coming out in the beginning, because it might be other metals first. She

is willing to let me do my dosing Cutler's way to do the test. She called it a

toxic element clearance profile (by Genova). She is also very worried about my

minerals being depleted and would like to test them periodically. She tried

giving me a supplement that had laughable levels (very miniscule amounts) of

minerals in them and also contained ALA, so I refused. I am getting all those

minerals anyway in much larger amounts, minus the copper and manganese that was

in this product. She wants me to consistently have my kidneys and liver tested

as well. Is all this necessary? I didn't think the kidneys were much of a

concern with low dose chelation.

Okay, basically I need to stop chelating long enough to figure out if my hyper

symptoms are only related to rounds. Then I need to go slower with chelation.

I still need to figure out what I am paying my ND for. :-( She is open-minded,

but she is very nervous about this. She isn't going to read Cutler's work real

soon. So far the last few visits, I feel like I have paid to educate her on

Andy's work. She also doesn't seem very knowledgeable about thyroid problems.

She told me a TSH of 0.6 is hyper, and everything I am finding says it isn't. I

also felt really well the day I took that test. Maybe I need to find a good

thyroid doctor (I do seem to have a nodule on my thyroid...), and do chelation

on my own...

Thanks,

Olif

[Guest guest]

>

> Okay, I saw my ND today, and I am totally freaked out and I don't

know what to do. :-( She isn't familiar with Cutler's protocol- go

figure- and she made me sign a paper she typed up saying I was doing

this DMSA on my own, not under her recommendation. Okay, that got me

a little freaked. It gets worse.

>

> She admitted she doesn't know much about chelation, and she

referred me to a doctor who deals heavily with chelation. I looked at

this guy's website. The first thing he does is a challenge test.

Well, he does it after your kidneys and liver have passed basic blood

tests. Then you make appointments for IV chelation sessions. NO

THANKS!

>

-------- ------ I know exactly how you feel. I actually go to a M.D.

who practices alternative medicine. He does IV chelation and

recommends supplements that Andy says to stay away from. I had to

accept that virtually NO doctor is educated in this area because it

isn't an accepted diagnosis in this country. And those who think they

know it all about mercury (like my doctor) are actually hurting

people. Take it really slow and start low with your chelation doses.

I still can not tolerate very high doses and I have been doing it for

several months. And, take the recommended supplements. Andy's

information is the most helpful and rational information I have found

to date.

I am also a bit of a health nut, so I do some other things like

juicing vegetables and applying food combining rules. I don't think

you can build good health by just taking man made supplements and

eating/living the American lifestyle. Chelation will help with

mercury, but you can still end up sick if you don't attempt to change

bad habbits. Above all, try to keep a positive attitude and connect

to people who understand. Best wishes to you.

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Okay, I saw my ND today, and I am totally freaked out and I don't

know what to do. :-( She isn't familiar with Cutler's protocol- go

figure- and she made me sign a paper she typed up saying I was doing

this DMSA on my own, not under her recommendation. Okay, that got me

a little freaked. It gets worse.

>

> She admitted she doesn't know much about chelation, and she

referred me to a doctor who deals heavily with chelation. I looked at

this guy's website. The first thing he does is a challenge test.

Well, he does it after your kidneys and liver have passed basic blood

tests. Then you make appointments for IV chelation sessions. NO

THANKS!

>

-------- ------ I know exactly how you feel. I actually go to a M.D.

who practices alternative medicine. He does IV chelation and

recommends supplements that Andy says to stay away from. I had to

accept that virtually NO doctor is educated in this area because it

isn't an accepted diagnosis in this country. And those who think they

know it all about mercury (like my doctor) are actually hurting

people. Take it really slow and start low with your chelation doses.

I still can not tolerate very high doses and I have been doing it for

several months. And, take the recommended supplements. Andy's

information is the most helpful and rational information I have found

to date.

I am also a bit of a health nut, so I do some other things like

juicing vegetables and applying food combining rules. I don't think

you can build good health by just taking man made supplements and

eating/living the American lifestyle. Chelation will help with

mercury, but you can still end up sick if you don't attempt to change

bad habbits. Above all, try to keep a positive attitude and connect

to people who understand. Best wishes to you.

>

[Guest guest]

Sorry to hear of your frustrations with appointments, Olif. I've

found throughout this ordeal that being in touch with my own body is

the critical thing and I have to be prepared to respond and adapt to

changes myself.

I was feeling great two months following my first amalgam removal

appointment. My total T3 was checked (I'd relocated recently and

had a new doctor who didn't know much about thyroid), and it had

skyrocketed to 660 (the normal range is 60-181). You might think I

would have been in cardiac arrest, but I'd only noticed my heart

rate was occasionally higher. That was quite welcome, since it had

been in the 50's and I'd functioned at a very low level for years.

My body temp had come up to normal, etc. I never thought I was

hyper, but certainly felt 'elated' with good reason.

I found a DO/Naturopath & was checked again at the 4 month point.

This time free T-3 was checked and was at a high 6.4 when the

reference range is 1.8 to 4.2.

Doctors really didn't know what to do. Does anyone here know if

mercury can attach to and inactivate free T-3? Or if maybe my liver

was too jammed up to process it? I'd been on Cytomel for T3. First

the dose was reduced, then I was taken off & given a low dose of

Armour, but within 2-3 weeks of this I was almost comatose. After

struggling two more months I had to go back on Cytomel. It's been

two years & my dose is nearly as high as it was before my amalgams

came out, but wasn't very effective. Adding a little Isocort

recently is clearly helping. My saliva cortisol had been low.

Chelating is changing things quickly, and I sense I'm getting a

similar response to what happened after amalgams came out. I feel

it's pointless to have this tested constantly and try to keep

readjusting medication. I'm just following trends, watching my temp

& pulse, and will reduce medication on my own as appropriate. I

have follow-up appointments with my ND and will keep her well

informed.

With a little luck, she will have purchased and read Andy's books

before I see her again. She was open minded to what I'm doing but I

don't know how much time she'll have to really study this protocol.

Her large office is always filled with people receiving EDTA

chelation and she's well known for success with this treatment (she

says she's never had a single adverse reaction in ten years or so of

using it???).

I hope this helps in some way, Olif. The sudden changes in mercury

levels in your body does some really wild things with hormones.

Joanne

[Guest guest]

Sorry to hear of your frustrations with appointments, Olif. I've

found throughout this ordeal that being in touch with my own body is

the critical thing and I have to be prepared to respond and adapt to

changes myself.

I was feeling great two months following my first amalgam removal

appointment. My total T3 was checked (I'd relocated recently and

had a new doctor who didn't know much about thyroid), and it had

skyrocketed to 660 (the normal range is 60-181). You might think I

would have been in cardiac arrest, but I'd only noticed my heart

rate was occasionally higher. That was quite welcome, since it had

been in the 50's and I'd functioned at a very low level for years.

My body temp had come up to normal, etc. I never thought I was

hyper, but certainly felt 'elated' with good reason.

I found a DO/Naturopath & was checked again at the 4 month point.

This time free T-3 was checked and was at a high 6.4 when the

reference range is 1.8 to 4.2.

Doctors really didn't know what to do. Does anyone here know if

mercury can attach to and inactivate free T-3? Or if maybe my liver

was too jammed up to process it? I'd been on Cytomel for T3. First

the dose was reduced, then I was taken off & given a low dose of

Armour, but within 2-3 weeks of this I was almost comatose. After

struggling two more months I had to go back on Cytomel. It's been

two years & my dose is nearly as high as it was before my amalgams

came out, but wasn't very effective. Adding a little Isocort

recently is clearly helping. My saliva cortisol had been low.

Chelating is changing things quickly, and I sense I'm getting a

similar response to what happened after amalgams came out. I feel

it's pointless to have this tested constantly and try to keep

readjusting medication. I'm just following trends, watching my temp

& pulse, and will reduce medication on my own as appropriate. I

have follow-up appointments with my ND and will keep her well

informed.

With a little luck, she will have purchased and read Andy's books

before I see her again. She was open minded to what I'm doing but I

don't know how much time she'll have to really study this protocol.

Her large office is always filled with people receiving EDTA

chelation and she's well known for success with this treatment (she

says she's never had a single adverse reaction in ten years or so of

using it???).

I hope this helps in some way, Olif. The sudden changes in mercury

levels in your body does some really wild things with hormones.

Joanne

[Guest guest]

Sorry to hear of your frustrations with appointments, Olif. I've

found throughout this ordeal that being in touch with my own body is

the critical thing and I have to be prepared to respond and adapt to

changes myself.

I was feeling great two months following my first amalgam removal

appointment. My total T3 was checked (I'd relocated recently and

had a new doctor who didn't know much about thyroid), and it had

skyrocketed to 660 (the normal range is 60-181). You might think I

would have been in cardiac arrest, but I'd only noticed my heart

rate was occasionally higher. That was quite welcome, since it had

been in the 50's and I'd functioned at a very low level for years.

My body temp had come up to normal, etc. I never thought I was

hyper, but certainly felt 'elated' with good reason.

I found a DO/Naturopath & was checked again at the 4 month point.

This time free T-3 was checked and was at a high 6.4 when the

reference range is 1.8 to 4.2.

Doctors really didn't know what to do. Does anyone here know if

mercury can attach to and inactivate free T-3? Or if maybe my liver

was too jammed up to process it? I'd been on Cytomel for T3. First

the dose was reduced, then I was taken off & given a low dose of

Armour, but within 2-3 weeks of this I was almost comatose. After

struggling two more months I had to go back on Cytomel. It's been

two years & my dose is nearly as high as it was before my amalgams

came out, but wasn't very effective. Adding a little Isocort

recently is clearly helping. My saliva cortisol had been low.

Chelating is changing things quickly, and I sense I'm getting a

similar response to what happened after amalgams came out. I feel

it's pointless to have this tested constantly and try to keep

readjusting medication. I'm just following trends, watching my temp

& pulse, and will reduce medication on my own as appropriate. I

have follow-up appointments with my ND and will keep her well

informed.

With a little luck, she will have purchased and read Andy's books

before I see her again. She was open minded to what I'm doing but I

don't know how much time she'll have to really study this protocol.

Her large office is always filled with people receiving EDTA

chelation and she's well known for success with this treatment (she

says she's never had a single adverse reaction in ten years or so of

using it???).

I hope this helps in some way, Olif. The sudden changes in mercury

levels in your body does some really wild things with hormones.

Joanne

[Guest guest]

>

> Thank you so much ! I have really been freaking out since

my appointment yesterday. I have really liked my ND, but now I am not

sure what to do...

> " She is busy and is not going to read the books anytime soon.

> You need to get them back for your own reading and reference. "

>

> You are right. I was really hoping she would take the time and " get

it " about amalgam illness, but this isn't going to happen. She did at

least admit today that I am toxic. I told her I was about 3 months ago.

I hoped my ND would " get it " , too. She did get that I was toxic,

she let me dose chelators my own way, she was accepting when I

declined to take certain supplements and when I took more of others

than she recommended or took things she didn't recommend, she didn't

mind when I declined to do urine tests...

I was lucky with her in many ways - but she didn't understand

Andy's ideas and didn't seem very open to learning them from me

(maybe a little, but it was slow), she seemed increasingly

uncomfortable with how things were going with me, and I eventually

decided that even with Andy consulting there was going to be an

unpredictable learning curve and it just didn't make sense.

might be other metals first. She is willing to let me do my dosing

Cutler's way to do the test. She called it a toxic element clearance

profile (by Genova). She is also very worried about my minerals being

depleted and would like to test them periodically. She tried giving me

a supplement that had laughable levels (very miniscule amounts) of

minerals in them and also contained ALA, so I refused. I am getting

all those minerals anyway in much larger amounts, minus the copper and

manganese that was in this product. She wants me to consistently have

my kidneys and liver tested as well. Is all this necessary? I didn't

think the kidneys were much of a concern with low dose chelation.

Usually not necessary. Occasionally a particular test could be

helpful. Andy makes suggestions in the books about when testing

might be useful.

> Okay, basically I need to stop chelating long enough to figure out

if my hyper symptoms are only related to rounds. Then I need to go

slower with chelation.

> I still need to figure out what I am paying my ND for. :-( She is

Personally, I do find it helpful to work with someone (I am

getting advice from now - recommended by Andy and

others). My brain and my emotions are pretty inconsistent and

compromised at times. It helps me to have some guidance about

priorities and to have someone who knows some details of my

situation. She can also prescribe drugs, and that is helpful.

So you may want to think about whether you need any of that.

If you decide to work with someone, you may want to explain

to them exactly what you are looking for and how you want

to work with them.

Whether you use a practitioner or not, it helps to gradually

get a better understanding of the books and the information on

Moria's site, etc. It takes time. The sooner you start, the better.

open-minded, but she is very nervous about this. She isn't going to

read Cutler's work real soon. So far the last few visits, I feel like

I have paid to educate her on Andy's work. She also doesn't seem very

knowledgeable about thyroid problems. She told me a TSH of 0.6 is

hyper, and everything I am finding says it isn't. I also felt really

well the day I took that test. Maybe I need to find a good thyroid

doctor (I do seem to have a nodule on my thyroid...), and do chelation

on my own...

For a thyroid nodule, it is a good idea to get a physical exam and

possibly an ultrasound to look at it.

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