Guest guest Posted August 31, 2008 Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 I'm a lurker...diagnosed with PSC July 3 of this year after 20 year history of recurrent gall stones, intrahepatic stones and frequent cholangitis attacks. Since diagnosis I have had a series of US, CholangioRMN's, CT scan and gastroscopy. Last week I went to Bologna to have a liver biopsy (I'm in Italy) and after a lengthy meeting with Dr Bolondi who went over all of my test results and doing another US he " undiagnosed " me of PSC, said I didn't need a biopsy and that my bile ducts were " just scarred from so many cholangitis attacks caused from gallstones " . I must say that I'm relieved (to say the least) and also a bit reluctant to completely believe him 100%....he did not give me any reasons as to why I'm full of stones and having recurrent pain in my chest. I even asked about possible flukes/parasites...no. For now I am just to take antibiotics 4 days a month to eliminate the possibilty of infection in my intestines??!! If I have another cholangitis attack I am to go in and have an ERCP immediately for stenting.... I'm still going to check in on you all and hope to read lots of happy posts.. a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2008 Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 I have been through very similar situations. My gallbladder was removed in 1996; however, the pain kept coming. I would go for Sonograms and nothing would be found; however, hey kept telling me that they thought I was having reucrrent stones forming in my liver, since my gall bladder had been removed. Finally in 2003, my liver enzymes went up an stayed up, especially the ALP. My ERCP was normal; however, the hepatologist conducted a biopsy, which lead to a diagnosis of either PSC or PBC. PB was rulled out when I had negative AMA result. SInce then I have had several different Dr.'s mostly due to insurance provider changes and everyone agreed with the PSC diagnosis. MY MRCP's showed narrowing and beading throughout my liver, which again indicate PSC.Last year, I was sent to a " secialist " at s Hopkins, who conducteda cholagiogram and desided that I did not have PSC, just a fatty liver. When I asked him about my previous tests, he simply statd, that he is a specialist and knws what he is talking about. I was unwilling to accept his answer and went to my Primary are physician who ordered a test called ALP fractionalization(spelled wrong)which indicated that I was in the adanced stages of liver disease and high wich for CCA. Apparently this test can determine exactly where the ALP is coming from and the two different types of Liver ALP inicate the extent of damage and possible risk of CCA. My Dr. then ordered another biopsy, which was sent to two different labs and had four different test ran. Ths indicated that I either have small duct PSC, PBC, or autoimmune hepatitis because my small ducts are being obliterated and in some areas are completely missing and my large ducts are begining to be infiltrated. The pathologist gave the name of a Dr. t my physician who she thought would be able to treat me. I will be seeing that Dr. on 9/15. What I have sinced learned is that cholangiograms often cannot be used to diagnose small duct PSC and that because I do not have IBD and am female, I don't fit the typical PSC patiet profile. Many Dr.'s cannot think otsid of the box. I encourage you to get another opinion and to push for a biopsy. The biopsy has been the only truly diffinitive tool for diagnosing me. Good luck to you. > Last week I went to Bologna to have a liver biopsy (I'm in Italy) and > after a lengthy meeting with Dr Bolondi who went over all of my test > results and doing another US he " undiagnosed " me of PSC, said I didn't > need a biopsy and that my bile ducts were " just scarred from so many > cholangitis attacks caused from gallstones " . > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2008 Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 I have been through very similar situations. My gallbladder was removed in 1996; however, the pain kept coming. I would go for Sonograms and nothing would be found; however, hey kept telling me that they thought I was having reucrrent stones forming in my liver, since my gall bladder had been removed. Finally in 2003, my liver enzymes went up an stayed up, especially the ALP. My ERCP was normal; however, the hepatologist conducted a biopsy, which lead to a diagnosis of either PSC or PBC. PB was rulled out when I had negative AMA result. SInce then I have had several different Dr.'s mostly due to insurance provider changes and everyone agreed with the PSC diagnosis. MY MRCP's showed narrowing and beading throughout my liver, which again indicate PSC.Last year, I was sent to a " secialist " at s Hopkins, who conducteda cholagiogram and desided that I did not have PSC, just a fatty liver. When I asked him about my previous tests, he simply statd, that he is a specialist and knws what he is talking about. I was unwilling to accept his answer and went to my Primary are physician who ordered a test called ALP fractionalization(spelled wrong)which indicated that I was in the adanced stages of liver disease and high wich for CCA. Apparently this test can determine exactly where the ALP is coming from and the two different types of Liver ALP inicate the extent of damage and possible risk of CCA. My Dr. then ordered another biopsy, which was sent to two different labs and had four different test ran. Ths indicated that I either have small duct PSC, PBC, or autoimmune hepatitis because my small ducts are being obliterated and in some areas are completely missing and my large ducts are begining to be infiltrated. The pathologist gave the name of a Dr. t my physician who she thought would be able to treat me. I will be seeing that Dr. on 9/15. What I have sinced learned is that cholangiograms often cannot be used to diagnose small duct PSC and that because I do not have IBD and am female, I don't fit the typical PSC patiet profile. Many Dr.'s cannot think otsid of the box. I encourage you to get another opinion and to push for a biopsy. The biopsy has been the only truly diffinitive tool for diagnosing me. Good luck to you. > Last week I went to Bologna to have a liver biopsy (I'm in Italy) and > after a lengthy meeting with Dr Bolondi who went over all of my test > results and doing another US he " undiagnosed " me of PSC, said I didn't > need a biopsy and that my bile ducts were " just scarred from so many > cholangitis attacks caused from gallstones " . > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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