Re: sulfur elimination ?'s: bettter mentally worse physically

[Guest guest]

>

> Background

> ** I have been on no sulphur diet for the past two weeks (eating all

> orgainics) and feel significantly better in the head.

If you feel better in the head, stick with it.

> ** I have also been taking niacinamide and selenium to clear out

> months of chorella and cilantro and help me with the Mult-chem-

> sensitivities that i have. There has been less of the back/feet/legs

> burning

Make sure it is selenomethionine. Some people do not tolerate

selenium at all.

> * am taking steps to have adrenals and thyroid tested and try to get

> some Hydrocortisone. morning temp seems to be constant at 98.0

Not a bad morning temp. Your thyroid is probably doing okay.

I suggest taking temps 3-4 times per day at 3 hour intervals from

waking to look at the trend and the average.

> However I have noticed what I think is less physically energy and

> more fatigue/aches/inflammtion (I am guessing). Last two days have

> become more constipated so increased vitamin C to help in bowel

> cleanse. Sleep is worse, waking up at 12:01 am 2:00 am for a few hours

Consider also more magnesium which could help all of this.

It sounds like you are just getting a lot of mercury movement and

chelation will help.

> Question:

> Could the lack of sulphur now be creating other problems (ie

> I have noticeably lighter stool), least two weeks which I think means

> less bile which i think means less cleansing by liver??

To help with bile flow, make sure you have tried milk thistle,

as it is one of the basic recommended supplements and should help.

If it's not enough, consider taurine, phosphatidylcholine, glycine.

> OR, Could it just be that its a detoxing layer, ie I have reduced

> the problems created by cilantro/chorella/sulphur and the impact of

> chemicals Soooooo, the next problem is now just more noticeable ..Ie

> possibly low adrenals??

Are you doing anything at all for low adrenals? Frequent doses of

vitamin C and B5 may help. Make sure you are taking zinc and mag

for general anti-mercury purposes.

> OR should I be adding some other supplement. I also started with

> flax/borage this week. I am going to get a wad of diffreent sleep

> meds (klonopin/trazadone (spelling?)/ambien and see which ones

> test Ok on me as I thnk the lack of sleep/adrenal weakness is really

> wiping me out??

Personally I would try some of Andy's suggestions for insomnia in

the book first - especially melatonin or valerian. I used to take

klonopin and was very addicted to it - very horrible when I had to

stop. I didn't do well on trazadone, perhaps better for you. Ambien

may be fine.

Are you trying anything OTC for adrenals? Personally I found

ashwagandha very helpful with sleep and many other problems.

I remember you didn't do well on isocort, but another glandular

product might do something for you until you find a better answer.

--

> any suggestions?

>

> Thanks

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks

see my comments below

> > Background

> > ** I have been on no sulphur diet for the past two weeks (eating

all orgainics) and feel significantly better in the head.

> If you feel better in the head, stick with it.

- michael-yes ma'am

> > ** I have also been taking niacinamide and selenium to clear out

> > months of chorella and cilantro and help me with the Mult-chem-

> > sensitivities that i have. There has been less of the

back/feet/legs burning

> Make sure it is selenomethionine. Some people do not tolerate

> selenium at all.

--michael, yes its the selenomethionine,

> > * am taking steps to have adrenals and thyroid tested and try to

get some Hydrocortisone. morning temp seems to be constant at 98.0

> Not a bad morning temp. Your thyroid is probably doing okay.

> I suggest taking temps 3-4 times per day at 3 hour intervals from

> waking to look at the trend and the average.

>

--michael OK so if the temps are lower in the day does that indicate

potential thyroid/adrenal problems??

> > However I have noticed what I think is less physically energy and

> > more fatigue/aches/inflammtion (I am guessing). Last two days

have become more constipated so increased vitamin C to help in bowel

cleanse. Sleep is worse, waking up at 12:01 am 2:00 am for a few hours

> Consider also more magnesium which could help all of this.

> It sounds like you are just getting a lot of mercury movement and

> chelation will help.

---per : OK I take a mag/calcium/potassium combination I do

not have the Mg amounts with me but i think its quite high. how much

mag should I take and is it ok to take the calcium/potassium combo?

Question:

> > Could the lack of sulphur now be creating other problems (ie

I have noticeably lighter stool), least two weeks which I think means

less bile which i think means less cleansing by liver??

> To help with bile flow, make sure you have tried milk thistle,

> as it is one of the basic recommended supplements and should help.

> If it's not enough, consider taurine, phosphatidylcholine,

glycine.

--per ; OK I will try these , thanks

> > OR, Could it just be that its a detoxing layer, ie I have reduced

> > the problems created by cilantro/chorella/sulphur and the impact

of chemicals Soooooo, the next problem is now just more

noticeable ..Ie possibly low adrenals??

>

>

> Are you doing anything at all for low adrenals? Frequent doses of

> vitamin C and B5 may help. Make sure you are taking zinc and mag

> for general anti-mercury purposes.

>

Per - It may sound silly but I am doing interviews with Dr's

effectively shopping for someone that will give me hydro-cortisone to

try out once I do an updated adrenal test thats hows my adrenals are

trashed . They are such " dicks " wanting to " cure me " with their snake

oil. What a profession!

sooo, I am trying to not take anything yet to help my adrenals so

they will see from the tests that i have low adrenals...talk about a

sick world we live in

OR should I be adding some other supplement. I also started with

> > flax/borage this week. I am going to get a wad of diffreent sleep

> > meds (klonopin/trazadone (spelling?)/ambien and see which ones

> > test Ok on me as I thnk the lack of sleep/adrenal weakness is

really wiping me out??

> Personally I would try some of Andy's suggestions for insomnia in

> the book first - especially melatonin or valerian. I used to take

> klonopin and was very addicted to it - very horrible when I had to

> stop. I didn't do well on trazadone, perhaps better for you.

Ambien may be fine.

per - thank you sorry I forgot I am doing larger doses of

melatonin as andy recommends, It helped a few nights with getting me

out of a bad MCS (Mult_Chem_Sensitivity) problem. I will try the

valerian as both have tested as helping me with my health care guy

---per :5-6 years ago trazadone really helped me, klonoprin

made me a little wired and my liver really seem to react to it, so i

guess like you say its an individual thing

> Are you trying anything OTC for adrenals? Personally I found

> ashwagandha very helpful with sleep and many other problems.

> I remember you didn't do well on isocort, but another glandular

> product might do something for you until you find a better answer.

> --

>

>

>

> > any suggestions?

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks

see my comments below

> > Background

> > ** I have been on no sulphur diet for the past two weeks (eating

all orgainics) and feel significantly better in the head.

> If you feel better in the head, stick with it.

- michael-yes ma'am

> > ** I have also been taking niacinamide and selenium to clear out

> > months of chorella and cilantro and help me with the Mult-chem-

> > sensitivities that i have. There has been less of the

back/feet/legs burning

> Make sure it is selenomethionine. Some people do not tolerate

> selenium at all.

--michael, yes its the selenomethionine,

> > * am taking steps to have adrenals and thyroid tested and try to

get some Hydrocortisone. morning temp seems to be constant at 98.0

> Not a bad morning temp. Your thyroid is probably doing okay.

> I suggest taking temps 3-4 times per day at 3 hour intervals from

> waking to look at the trend and the average.

>

--michael OK so if the temps are lower in the day does that indicate

potential thyroid/adrenal problems??

> > However I have noticed what I think is less physically energy and

> > more fatigue/aches/inflammtion (I am guessing). Last two days

have become more constipated so increased vitamin C to help in bowel

cleanse. Sleep is worse, waking up at 12:01 am 2:00 am for a few hours

> Consider also more magnesium which could help all of this.

> It sounds like you are just getting a lot of mercury movement and

> chelation will help.

---per : OK I take a mag/calcium/potassium combination I do

not have the Mg amounts with me but i think its quite high. how much

mag should I take and is it ok to take the calcium/potassium combo?

Question:

> > Could the lack of sulphur now be creating other problems (ie

I have noticeably lighter stool), least two weeks which I think means

less bile which i think means less cleansing by liver??

> To help with bile flow, make sure you have tried milk thistle,

> as it is one of the basic recommended supplements and should help.

> If it's not enough, consider taurine, phosphatidylcholine,

glycine.

--per ; OK I will try these , thanks

> > OR, Could it just be that its a detoxing layer, ie I have reduced

> > the problems created by cilantro/chorella/sulphur and the impact

of chemicals Soooooo, the next problem is now just more

noticeable ..Ie possibly low adrenals??

>

>

> Are you doing anything at all for low adrenals? Frequent doses of

> vitamin C and B5 may help. Make sure you are taking zinc and mag

> for general anti-mercury purposes.

>

Per - It may sound silly but I am doing interviews with Dr's

effectively shopping for someone that will give me hydro-cortisone to

try out once I do an updated adrenal test thats hows my adrenals are

trashed . They are such " dicks " wanting to " cure me " with their snake

oil. What a profession!

sooo, I am trying to not take anything yet to help my adrenals so

they will see from the tests that i have low adrenals...talk about a

sick world we live in

OR should I be adding some other supplement. I also started with

> > flax/borage this week. I am going to get a wad of diffreent sleep

> > meds (klonopin/trazadone (spelling?)/ambien and see which ones

> > test Ok on me as I thnk the lack of sleep/adrenal weakness is

really wiping me out??

> Personally I would try some of Andy's suggestions for insomnia in

> the book first - especially melatonin or valerian. I used to take

> klonopin and was very addicted to it - very horrible when I had to

> stop. I didn't do well on trazadone, perhaps better for you.

Ambien may be fine.

per - thank you sorry I forgot I am doing larger doses of

melatonin as andy recommends, It helped a few nights with getting me

out of a bad MCS (Mult_Chem_Sensitivity) problem. I will try the

valerian as both have tested as helping me with my health care guy

---per :5-6 years ago trazadone really helped me, klonoprin

made me a little wired and my liver really seem to react to it, so i

guess like you say its an individual thing

> Are you trying anything OTC for adrenals? Personally I found

> ashwagandha very helpful with sleep and many other problems.

> I remember you didn't do well on isocort, but another glandular

> product might do something for you until you find a better answer.

> --

>

>

>

> > any suggestions?

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks

see my comments below

> > Background

> > ** I have been on no sulphur diet for the past two weeks (eating

all orgainics) and feel significantly better in the head.

> If you feel better in the head, stick with it.

- michael-yes ma'am

> > ** I have also been taking niacinamide and selenium to clear out

> > months of chorella and cilantro and help me with the Mult-chem-

> > sensitivities that i have. There has been less of the

back/feet/legs burning

> Make sure it is selenomethionine. Some people do not tolerate

> selenium at all.

--michael, yes its the selenomethionine,

> > * am taking steps to have adrenals and thyroid tested and try to

get some Hydrocortisone. morning temp seems to be constant at 98.0

> Not a bad morning temp. Your thyroid is probably doing okay.

> I suggest taking temps 3-4 times per day at 3 hour intervals from

> waking to look at the trend and the average.

>

--michael OK so if the temps are lower in the day does that indicate

potential thyroid/adrenal problems??

> > However I have noticed what I think is less physically energy and

> > more fatigue/aches/inflammtion (I am guessing). Last two days

have become more constipated so increased vitamin C to help in bowel

cleanse. Sleep is worse, waking up at 12:01 am 2:00 am for a few hours

> Consider also more magnesium which could help all of this.

> It sounds like you are just getting a lot of mercury movement and

> chelation will help.

---per : OK I take a mag/calcium/potassium combination I do

not have the Mg amounts with me but i think its quite high. how much

mag should I take and is it ok to take the calcium/potassium combo?

Question:

> > Could the lack of sulphur now be creating other problems (ie

I have noticeably lighter stool), least two weeks which I think means

less bile which i think means less cleansing by liver??

> To help with bile flow, make sure you have tried milk thistle,

> as it is one of the basic recommended supplements and should help.

> If it's not enough, consider taurine, phosphatidylcholine,

glycine.

--per ; OK I will try these , thanks

> > OR, Could it just be that its a detoxing layer, ie I have reduced

> > the problems created by cilantro/chorella/sulphur and the impact

of chemicals Soooooo, the next problem is now just more

noticeable ..Ie possibly low adrenals??

>

>

> Are you doing anything at all for low adrenals? Frequent doses of

> vitamin C and B5 may help. Make sure you are taking zinc and mag

> for general anti-mercury purposes.

>

Per - It may sound silly but I am doing interviews with Dr's

effectively shopping for someone that will give me hydro-cortisone to

try out once I do an updated adrenal test thats hows my adrenals are

trashed . They are such " dicks " wanting to " cure me " with their snake

oil. What a profession!

sooo, I am trying to not take anything yet to help my adrenals so

they will see from the tests that i have low adrenals...talk about a

sick world we live in

OR should I be adding some other supplement. I also started with

> > flax/borage this week. I am going to get a wad of diffreent sleep

> > meds (klonopin/trazadone (spelling?)/ambien and see which ones

> > test Ok on me as I thnk the lack of sleep/adrenal weakness is

really wiping me out??

> Personally I would try some of Andy's suggestions for insomnia in

> the book first - especially melatonin or valerian. I used to take

> klonopin and was very addicted to it - very horrible when I had to

> stop. I didn't do well on trazadone, perhaps better for you.

Ambien may be fine.

per - thank you sorry I forgot I am doing larger doses of

melatonin as andy recommends, It helped a few nights with getting me

out of a bad MCS (Mult_Chem_Sensitivity) problem. I will try the

valerian as both have tested as helping me with my health care guy

---per :5-6 years ago trazadone really helped me, klonoprin

made me a little wired and my liver really seem to react to it, so i

guess like you say its an individual thing

> Are you trying anything OTC for adrenals? Personally I found

> ashwagandha very helpful with sleep and many other problems.

> I remember you didn't do well on isocort, but another glandular

> product might do something for you until you find a better answer.

> --

>

>

>

> > any suggestions?

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> --michael OK so if the temps are lower in the day does that indicate

> potential thyroid/adrenal problems??

Here is one source of information about taking and interpreting

temperatures:

http://www.drrind.com/tempgraph.asp#directions

> ---per : OK I take a mag/calcium/potassium combination I do

> not have the Mg amounts with me but i think its quite high. how much

> mag should I take and is it ok to take the calcium/potassium combo?

I take mag between meals and cal/mag with meals. I believe they are

absorbed better that way. Andy says 750 mg of mag. People will vary

in exactly how much they need and can tolerate. Personally, I did

not see benefits until I took 1200 mg, but I do appear to need a lot

more of this than some people.

Andy cautions against using potassium in supplements (can't remember

if this is in the book, but I've seen him post this). He recommends

getting it by using salt substitute. Also, alka-seltzer gold has

potassium in balance with sodium, which is a safer way to use it.

> > To help with bile flow, make sure you have tried milk thistle,

> > as it is one of the basic recommended supplements and should help.

> > If it's not enough, consider taurine, phosphatidylcholine,

> glycine.

>

> --per ; OK I will try these , thanks

Judiciously, of course. Some people do react to these.

> Per - It may sound silly but I am doing interviews with Dr's

> effectively shopping for someone that will give me hydro-cortisone to

> try out once I do an updated adrenal test thats hows my adrenals are

> trashed . They are such " dicks " wanting to " cure me " with their snake

> oil. What a profession!

Not silly at all! You are doing exactly the right thing. I agree

each of these people tends to have their particular " snake oil " .

It's really worrisome when they say " it works for all my patients " .

Wrong!

> sooo, I am trying to not take anything yet to help my adrenals so

> they will see from the tests that i have low adrenals...talk about a

> sick world we live in

If you are sufficiently functional, this is fine. But I would try

to get the testing soon. You can always order from somewhere like

www.canaryclub.org and then take the results to a doctor.

> per - thank you sorry I forgot I am doing larger doses of

> melatonin as andy recommends, It helped a few nights with getting me

> out of a bad MCS (Mult_Chem_Sensitivity) problem. I will try the

> valerian as both have tested as helping me with my health care guy

Some people seem to do better with a timed-release melatonin.

> ---per :5-6 years ago trazadone really helped me, klonoprin

> made me a little wired and my liver really seem to react to it, so i

> guess like you say its an individual thing

Yup. It can also change over time. Always good to try new things or

old things you haven't used for awhile in smaller amounts and see how

it goes.

--

[Guest guest]

> --michael OK so if the temps are lower in the day does that indicate

> potential thyroid/adrenal problems??

Here is one source of information about taking and interpreting

temperatures:

http://www.drrind.com/tempgraph.asp#directions

> ---per : OK I take a mag/calcium/potassium combination I do

> not have the Mg amounts with me but i think its quite high. how much

> mag should I take and is it ok to take the calcium/potassium combo?

I take mag between meals and cal/mag with meals. I believe they are

absorbed better that way. Andy says 750 mg of mag. People will vary

in exactly how much they need and can tolerate. Personally, I did

not see benefits until I took 1200 mg, but I do appear to need a lot

more of this than some people.

Andy cautions against using potassium in supplements (can't remember

if this is in the book, but I've seen him post this). He recommends

getting it by using salt substitute. Also, alka-seltzer gold has

potassium in balance with sodium, which is a safer way to use it.

> > To help with bile flow, make sure you have tried milk thistle,

> > as it is one of the basic recommended supplements and should help.

> > If it's not enough, consider taurine, phosphatidylcholine,

> glycine.

>

> --per ; OK I will try these , thanks

Judiciously, of course. Some people do react to these.

> Per - It may sound silly but I am doing interviews with Dr's

> effectively shopping for someone that will give me hydro-cortisone to

> try out once I do an updated adrenal test thats hows my adrenals are

> trashed . They are such " dicks " wanting to " cure me " with their snake

> oil. What a profession!

Not silly at all! You are doing exactly the right thing. I agree

each of these people tends to have their particular " snake oil " .

It's really worrisome when they say " it works for all my patients " .

Wrong!

> sooo, I am trying to not take anything yet to help my adrenals so

> they will see from the tests that i have low adrenals...talk about a

> sick world we live in

If you are sufficiently functional, this is fine. But I would try

to get the testing soon. You can always order from somewhere like

www.canaryclub.org and then take the results to a doctor.

> per - thank you sorry I forgot I am doing larger doses of

> melatonin as andy recommends, It helped a few nights with getting me

> out of a bad MCS (Mult_Chem_Sensitivity) problem. I will try the

> valerian as both have tested as helping me with my health care guy

Some people seem to do better with a timed-release melatonin.

> ---per :5-6 years ago trazadone really helped me, klonoprin

> made me a little wired and my liver really seem to react to it, so i

> guess like you say its an individual thing

Yup. It can also change over time. Always good to try new things or

old things you haven't used for awhile in smaller amounts and see how

it goes.

--

[Guest guest]

> --michael OK so if the temps are lower in the day does that indicate

> potential thyroid/adrenal problems??

Here is one source of information about taking and interpreting

temperatures:

http://www.drrind.com/tempgraph.asp#directions

> ---per : OK I take a mag/calcium/potassium combination I do

> not have the Mg amounts with me but i think its quite high. how much

> mag should I take and is it ok to take the calcium/potassium combo?

I take mag between meals and cal/mag with meals. I believe they are

absorbed better that way. Andy says 750 mg of mag. People will vary

in exactly how much they need and can tolerate. Personally, I did

not see benefits until I took 1200 mg, but I do appear to need a lot

more of this than some people.

Andy cautions against using potassium in supplements (can't remember

if this is in the book, but I've seen him post this). He recommends

getting it by using salt substitute. Also, alka-seltzer gold has

potassium in balance with sodium, which is a safer way to use it.

> > To help with bile flow, make sure you have tried milk thistle,

> > as it is one of the basic recommended supplements and should help.

> > If it's not enough, consider taurine, phosphatidylcholine,

> glycine.

>

> --per ; OK I will try these , thanks

Judiciously, of course. Some people do react to these.

> Per - It may sound silly but I am doing interviews with Dr's

> effectively shopping for someone that will give me hydro-cortisone to

> try out once I do an updated adrenal test thats hows my adrenals are

> trashed . They are such " dicks " wanting to " cure me " with their snake

> oil. What a profession!

Not silly at all! You are doing exactly the right thing. I agree

each of these people tends to have their particular " snake oil " .

It's really worrisome when they say " it works for all my patients " .

Wrong!

> sooo, I am trying to not take anything yet to help my adrenals so

> they will see from the tests that i have low adrenals...talk about a

> sick world we live in

If you are sufficiently functional, this is fine. But I would try

to get the testing soon. You can always order from somewhere like

www.canaryclub.org and then take the results to a doctor.

> per - thank you sorry I forgot I am doing larger doses of

> melatonin as andy recommends, It helped a few nights with getting me

> out of a bad MCS (Mult_Chem_Sensitivity) problem. I will try the

> valerian as both have tested as helping me with my health care guy

Some people seem to do better with a timed-release melatonin.

> ---per :5-6 years ago trazadone really helped me, klonoprin

> made me a little wired and my liver really seem to react to it, so i

> guess like you say its an individual thing

Yup. It can also change over time. Always good to try new things or

old things you haven't used for awhile in smaller amounts and see how

it goes.

--

[Guest guest]

> OR should I be adding some other supplement. I also started with

> flax/borage this week. I am going to get a wad of diffreent sleep

> meds (klonopin/trazadone (spelling?)/ambien and see which ones test

> Ok on me as I thnk the lack of sleep/adrenal weakness is really

> wiping me out??

>

> any suggestions?

>

Have you tried GABA? Sleep is a major hurdle for me, too, but I have found that

taking GABA (500mg at bedtime) helps improve the quality of the sleep I do get.

It doesn't help me get to sleep, nor does it necessarily help me stay asleep. I

think it does lengthen my sleep periods a little bit. But mostly it makes the

sleep that I do get more ... effective? Not sure that's the right word, but I

am doing much better on the sleep that I do get than I used to do, even though

there isn't substantially more of it.

Just a thought.

[Guest guest]

> OR should I be adding some other supplement. I also started with

> flax/borage this week. I am going to get a wad of diffreent sleep

> meds (klonopin/trazadone (spelling?)/ambien and see which ones test

> Ok on me as I thnk the lack of sleep/adrenal weakness is really

> wiping me out??

>

> any suggestions?

>

Have you tried GABA? Sleep is a major hurdle for me, too, but I have found that

taking GABA (500mg at bedtime) helps improve the quality of the sleep I do get.

It doesn't help me get to sleep, nor does it necessarily help me stay asleep. I

think it does lengthen my sleep periods a little bit. But mostly it makes the

sleep that I do get more ... effective? Not sure that's the right word, but I

am doing much better on the sleep that I do get than I used to do, even though

there isn't substantially more of it.

Just a thought.

[Guest guest]

I have been taking GABA, I think it's 250 mg 4 x per day, and it helps

tremendously with being able to focus on tasks. Sleep has never been

a problem for me.

J

>

>

> > OR should I be adding some other supplement. I also started with

> > flax/borage this week. I am going to get a wad of diffreent sleep

> > meds (klonopin/trazadone (spelling?)/ambien and see which ones test

> > Ok on me as I thnk the lack of sleep/adrenal weakness is really

> > wiping me out??

> >

> > any suggestions?

> >

>

> Have you tried GABA? Sleep is a major hurdle for me, too, but I

have found that taking GABA (500mg at bedtime) helps improve the

quality of the sleep I do get. It doesn't help me get to sleep, nor

does it necessarily help me stay asleep. I think it does lengthen my

sleep periods a little bit. But mostly it makes the sleep that I do

get more ... effective? Not sure that's the right word, but I am

doing much better on the sleep that I do get than I used to do, even

though there isn't substantially more of it.

>

> Just a thought.

>

>

>