Re: please help val, scary labs for my sis

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> hi val, i just ordered an iron panel for my sister from econolabs, and i am a

little alarmed by the results... i knew her iron was high, but it seems to have

gone higher....

>

> TIBC 365 (250-450)

> UIBC 50 (150-375)

> iron, serum 315 (35-155)

> iron, saturation 86 (15-55)

>

> and the pattern is weird,,, from the explanation for the test from Lab Test

Online, it is the pattern for iron poisoning....

> i am worried for her; the only solution i can think of is to give blood, BUT

we are both anemic from very low B12 (hers is lower than mine), low RBC, and

high bilirubin (the other liver enzymes are ok). SO,,,, if giving blood helps

lower iron, i'm worried it will also lower her RBC and her B12... what are your

suggestions val??

>

> also, do you maybe have an opinion on why you think her iron is so elevated?

do you think it has to do with elevated cortisol? she is not supplementing at

all.

> thanks so much:/

>

> could i ask you a question for myself as well??

> these were my latest iron labs....

>

> TIBC 282 (250-450)

> UIBC 207 (150-375)

> iron, serum 75 (35-155)

> iron, saturation 27 (15-55)

>

> i have started supplementing again, but because my binding capacity is low, i

am scared to do too much too fast. what amount of iron do you suggest i take

per day?

>

> ------------------------------------

>

> We are not medical professionals here, just patients sharing our experiences.

Please use this information with the help of a competent doctor. Yahoo! Groups

Links

>

June 23, 2010

tHERE SI DEFINITLY AN IRON PROBLEM with BOTH these labs but I am not an

iron expert, I just understand basic lwo iron. I think both of you need

to see a hematoloigist and hunt fo rone that understands the interaction

between B12 nd iron. I knwo nothign baou thtis so I ma nto help, sorry

http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/specialists/hematology.htm

> hi val, i just ordered an iron panel for my sister from econolabs, and i am a

little alarmed by the results... i knew her iron was high, but it seems to have

gone higher....

>

> TIBC 365 (250-450)

> UIBC 50 (150-375)

> iron, serum 315 (35-155)

> iron, saturation 86 (15-55)

>

> and the pattern is weird,,, from the explanation for the test from Lab Test

Online, it is the pattern for iron poisoning....

> i am worried for her; the only solution i can think of is to give blood, BUT

we are both anemic from very low B12 (hers is lower than mine), low RBC, and

high bilirubin (the other liver enzymes are ok). SO,,,, if giving blood helps

lower iron, i'm worried it will also lower her RBC and her B12... what are your

suggestions val??

>

> also, do you maybe have an opinion on why you think her iron is so elevated?

do you think it has to do with elevated cortisol? she is not supplementing at

all.

> thanks so much:/

>

> could i ask you a question for myself as well??

> these were my latest iron labs....

>

> TIBC 282 (250-450)

> UIBC 207 (150-375)

> iron, serum 75 (35-155)

> iron, saturation 27 (15-55)

>

> i have started supplementing again, but because my binding capacity is low, i

am scared to do too much too fast. what amount of iron do you suggest i take

per day?

>

> ------------------------------------

>

> We are not medical professionals here, just patients sharing our experiences.

Please use this information with the help of a competent doctor. Yahoo! Groups

Links

>

June 23, 2010

k thank you val, whew, i am a little scared about this... i am kind of leading

the way for my sis and i when it comes to this thyroid business, and i have

cancelled my phone consults with my doctor, as my sis has done... he is not

particularly helpful anymore, not horrible, but not a help and just more money

we dont have. and i am sure this would be out of his scope... but it looks like

we might need him to refer us to a good hematologist down here in indy?/?

<<bracing myself for another dreaded doctor hunt>>

> > hi val, i just ordered an iron panel for my sister from econolabs, and i am

a little alarmed by the results... i knew her iron was high, but it seems to

have gone higher....

> >

> > TIBC 365 (250-450)

> > UIBC 50 (150-375)

> > iron, serum 315 (35-155)

> > iron, saturation 86 (15-55)

> >

> > and the pattern is weird,,, from the explanation for the test from Lab Test

Online, it is the pattern for iron poisoning....

> > i am worried for her; the only solution i can think of is to give blood,

BUT we are both anemic from very low B12 (hers is lower than mine), low RBC, and

high bilirubin (the other liver enzymes are ok). SO,,,, if giving blood helps

lower iron, i'm worried it will also lower her RBC and her B12... what are your

suggestions val??

> >

> > also, do you maybe have an opinion on why you think her iron is so elevated?

do you think it has to do with elevated cortisol? she is not supplementing at

all.

> > thanks so much:/

> >

> > could i ask you a question for myself as well??

> > these were my latest iron labs....

> >

> > TIBC 282 (250-450)

> > UIBC 207 (150-375)

> > iron, serum 75 (35-155)

> > iron, saturation 27 (15-55)

> >

> > i have started supplementing again, but because my binding capacity is low,

i am scared to do too much too fast. what amount of iron do you suggest i take

per day?

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> > We are not medical professionals here, just patients sharing our

experiences. Please use this information with the help of a competent doctor.

June 23, 2010

This may give oyu a head start

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/specialists/hematology.htm

> k thank you val, whew, i am a little scared about this... i am kind of leading

the way for my sis and i when it comes to this thyroid business, and i have

cancelled my phone consults with my doctor, as my sis has done... he is not

particularly helpful anymore, not horrible, but not a help and just more money

we dont have. and i am sure this would be out of his scope... but it looks like

we might need him to refer us to a good hematologist down here in indy?/?

>

> <<bracing myself for another dreaded doctor hunt>>

>

>>

>>> hi val, i just ordered an iron panel for my sister from econolabs, and i am

a little alarmed by the results... i knew her iron was high, but it seems to

have gone higher....

>>>

>>> TIBC 365 (250-450)

>>> UIBC 50 (150-375)

>>> iron, serum 315 (35-155)

>>> iron, saturation 86 (15-55)

>>>

>>> and the pattern is weird,,, from the explanation for the test from Lab Test

Online, it is the pattern for iron poisoning....

>>> i am worried for her; the only solution i can think of is to give blood,

BUT we are both anemic from very low B12 (hers is lower than mine), low RBC, and

high bilirubin (the other liver enzymes are ok). SO,,,, if giving blood helps

lower iron, i'm worried it will also lower her RBC and her B12... what are your

suggestions val??

>>>

>>> also, do you maybe have an opinion on why you think her iron is so elevated?

do you think it has to do with elevated cortisol? she is not supplementing at

all.

>>> thanks so much:/

>>>

>>> could i ask you a question for myself as well??

>>> these were my latest iron labs....

>>>

>>> TIBC 282 (250-450)

>>> UIBC 207 (150-375)

>>> iron, serum 75 (35-155)

>>> iron, saturation 27 (15-55)

>>>

>>> i have started supplementing again, but because my binding capacity is low,

i am scared to do too much too fast. what amount of iron do you suggest i take

per day?

>>>

>>> ------------------------------------

>>>

>>> We are not medical professionals here, just patients sharing our

experiences. Please use this information with the help of a competent doctor.

June 23, 2010

This may give oyu a head start

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> k thank you val, whew, i am a little scared about this... i am kind of leading

the way for my sis and i when it comes to this thyroid business, and i have

cancelled my phone consults with my doctor, as my sis has done... he is not

particularly helpful anymore, not horrible, but not a help and just more money

we dont have. and i am sure this would be out of his scope... but it looks like

we might need him to refer us to a good hematologist down here in indy?/?

>

> <<bracing myself for another dreaded doctor hunt>>

>

>>

>>> hi val, i just ordered an iron panel for my sister from econolabs, and i am

a little alarmed by the results... i knew her iron was high, but it seems to

have gone higher....

>>>

>>> TIBC 365 (250-450)

>>> UIBC 50 (150-375)

>>> iron, serum 315 (35-155)

>>> iron, saturation 86 (15-55)

>>>

>>> and the pattern is weird,,, from the explanation for the test from Lab Test

Online, it is the pattern for iron poisoning....

>>> i am worried for her; the only solution i can think of is to give blood,

BUT we are both anemic from very low B12 (hers is lower than mine), low RBC, and

high bilirubin (the other liver enzymes are ok). SO,,,, if giving blood helps

lower iron, i'm worried it will also lower her RBC and her B12... what are your

suggestions val??

>>>

>>> also, do you maybe have an opinion on why you think her iron is so elevated?

do you think it has to do with elevated cortisol? she is not supplementing at

all.

>>> thanks so much:/

>>>

>>> could i ask you a question for myself as well??

>>> these were my latest iron labs....

>>>

>>> TIBC 282 (250-450)

>>> UIBC 207 (150-375)

>>> iron, serum 75 (35-155)

>>> iron, saturation 27 (15-55)

>>>

>>> i have started supplementing again, but because my binding capacity is low,

i am scared to do too much too fast. what amount of iron do you suggest i take

per day?

>>>

>>> ------------------------------------

>>>

>>> We are not medical professionals here, just patients sharing our

experiences. Please use this information with the help of a competent doctor.

June 23, 2010

thanks so much val, i will look into this when i get off work tonight.

> >>

> >>> hi val, i just ordered an iron panel for my sister from econolabs, and i

am a little alarmed by the results... i knew her iron was high, but it seems to

have gone higher....

> >>>

> >>> TIBC 365 (250-450)

> >>> UIBC 50 (150-375)

> >>> iron, serum 315 (35-155)

> >>> iron, saturation 86 (15-55)

> >>>

> >>> and the pattern is weird,,, from the explanation for the test from Lab

Test Online, it is the pattern for iron poisoning....

> >>> i am worried for her; the only solution i can think of is to give blood,

BUT we are both anemic from very low B12 (hers is lower than mine), low RBC, and

high bilirubin (the other liver enzymes are ok). SO,,,, if giving blood helps

lower iron, i'm worried it will also lower her RBC and her B12... what are your

suggestions val??

> >>>

> >>> also, do you maybe have an opinion on why you think her iron is so

elevated? do you think it has to do with elevated cortisol? she is not

supplementing at all.

> >>> thanks so much:/

> >>>

> >>> could i ask you a question for myself as well??

> >>> these were my latest iron labs....

> >>>

> >>> TIBC 282 (250-450)

> >>> UIBC 207 (150-375)

> >>> iron, serum 75 (35-155)

> >>> iron, saturation 27 (15-55)

> >>>

> >>> i have started supplementing again, but because my binding capacity is

low, i am scared to do too much too fast. what amount of iron do you suggest i

take per day?

> >>>

> >>> ------------------------------------

> >>>

> >>> We are not medical professionals here, just patients sharing our

experiences. Please use this information with the help of a competent doctor.

June 23, 2010

val, i've been doing some thinking... could you tell me if you think that this

idea has any validity... i know you said you have limited knowledge of high iron

etc, but you have a knack for putting things together...

so the thing that my sister and i have in common is low b12, and for that reason

we have low red blood cells....

well, based on this paragraph " Iron helps red blood cells do their job. Without

iron, the healthy red blood cells that you get during your transfusion won't be

able to carry oxygen. But your body doesn't have a natural way to get rid of

this iron. Over time the iron builds up in your body causing a condition called

iron overload. "

do you think that it is possible that if we dont have enough rbc for the iron

that we have to do their job, that the iron can actually back up in the body?

if its ability to function is disturbed, then it cannot be moved through the

body correctly??

answer this if you have time, if you dont, i will understand. i guess i am

speculating.

or, wonder if its something else entirely, just like we are missing the

intrinsic factor for absorption of B12, maybe we are missing a protein to

properly absorb the iron? lactoferrin?

idk, and i am sorry if this is getting OT now:/

> >>

> >>> hi val, i just ordered an iron panel for my sister from econolabs, and i

am a little alarmed by the results... i knew her iron was high, but it seems to

have gone higher....

> >>>

> >>> TIBC 365 (250-450)

> >>> UIBC 50 (150-375)

> >>> iron, serum 315 (35-155)

> >>> iron, saturation 86 (15-55)

> >>>

> >>> and the pattern is weird,,, from the explanation for the test from Lab

Test Online, it is the pattern for iron poisoning....

> >>> i am worried for her; the only solution i can think of is to give blood,

BUT we are both anemic from very low B12 (hers is lower than mine), low RBC, and

high bilirubin (the other liver enzymes are ok). SO,,,, if giving blood helps

lower iron, i'm worried it will also lower her RBC and her B12... what are your

suggestions val??

> >>>

> >>> also, do you maybe have an opinion on why you think her iron is so

elevated? do you think it has to do with elevated cortisol? she is not

supplementing at all.

> >>> thanks so much:/

> >>>

> >>> could i ask you a question for myself as well??

> >>> these were my latest iron labs....

> >>>

> >>> TIBC 282 (250-450)

> >>> UIBC 207 (150-375)

> >>> iron, serum 75 (35-155)

> >>> iron, saturation 27 (15-55)

> >>>

> >>> i have started supplementing again, but because my binding capacity is

low, i am scared to do too much too fast. what amount of iron do you suggest i

take per day?

> >>>

> >>> ------------------------------------

> >>>

> >>> We are not medical professionals here, just patients sharing our

experiences. Please use this information with the help of a competent doctor.

June 23, 2010

val, i've been doing some thinking... could you tell me if you think that this

idea has any validity... i know you said you have limited knowledge of high iron

etc, but you have a knack for putting things together...

so the thing that my sister and i have in common is low b12, and for that reason

we have low red blood cells....

well, based on this paragraph " Iron helps red blood cells do their job. Without

iron, the healthy red blood cells that you get during your transfusion won't be

able to carry oxygen. But your body doesn't have a natural way to get rid of

this iron. Over time the iron builds up in your body causing a condition called

iron overload. "

do you think that it is possible that if we dont have enough rbc for the iron

that we have to do their job, that the iron can actually back up in the body?

if its ability to function is disturbed, then it cannot be moved through the

body correctly??

answer this if you have time, if you dont, i will understand. i guess i am

speculating.

or, wonder if its something else entirely, just like we are missing the

intrinsic factor for absorption of B12, maybe we are missing a protein to

properly absorb the iron? lactoferrin?

idk, and i am sorry if this is getting OT now:/

> >>

> >>> hi val, i just ordered an iron panel for my sister from econolabs, and i

am a little alarmed by the results... i knew her iron was high, but it seems to

have gone higher....

> >>>

> >>> TIBC 365 (250-450)

> >>> UIBC 50 (150-375)

> >>> iron, serum 315 (35-155)

> >>> iron, saturation 86 (15-55)

> >>>

> >>> and the pattern is weird,,, from the explanation for the test from Lab

Test Online, it is the pattern for iron poisoning....

> >>> i am worried for her; the only solution i can think of is to give blood,

BUT we are both anemic from very low B12 (hers is lower than mine), low RBC, and

high bilirubin (the other liver enzymes are ok). SO,,,, if giving blood helps

lower iron, i'm worried it will also lower her RBC and her B12... what are your

suggestions val??

> >>>

> >>> also, do you maybe have an opinion on why you think her iron is so

elevated? do you think it has to do with elevated cortisol? she is not

supplementing at all.

> >>> thanks so much:/

> >>>

> >>> could i ask you a question for myself as well??

> >>> these were my latest iron labs....

> >>>

> >>> TIBC 282 (250-450)

> >>> UIBC 207 (150-375)

> >>> iron, serum 75 (35-155)

> >>> iron, saturation 27 (15-55)

> >>>

> >>> i have started supplementing again, but because my binding capacity is

low, i am scared to do too much too fast. what amount of iron do you suggest i

take per day?

> >>>

> >>> ------------------------------------

> >>>

> >>> We are not medical professionals here, just patients sharing our

experiences. Please use this information with the help of a competent doctor.

June 23, 2010

k thanks val,

we both seem to have good temps for whatever reason, dunno. and i feel 150 times

better than before i started t3 only, feel like i am actually tolerating my t3

dose of 68.75 finally and am in week 15 of t3 only. 10,000mcg plus of b12 per

day has helped SO SO much. just this tricky iron issue, know i would be that

much better and so would she, if we could get to the bottom of it. will keep you

posted though, and if i happen to find anything useful i will bring it back

here.

> >>>>

> >>>>> hi val, i just ordered an iron panel for my sister from econolabs, and i

am a little alarmed by the results... i knew her iron was high, but it seems to

have gone higher....

> >>>>>

> >>>>> TIBC 365 (250-450)

> >>>>> UIBC 50 (150-375)

> >>>>> iron, serum 315 (35-155)

> >>>>> iron, saturation 86 (15-55)

> >>>>>

> >>>>> and the pattern is weird,,, from the explanation for the test from Lab

Test Online, it is the pattern for iron poisoning....

> >>>>> i am worried for her; the only solution i can think of is to give

blood, BUT we are both anemic from very low B12 (hers is lower than mine), low

RBC, and high bilirubin (the other liver enzymes are ok). SO,,,, if giving

blood helps lower iron, i'm worried it will also lower her RBC and her B12...

what are your suggestions val??

> >>>>>

> >>>>> also, do you maybe have an opinion on why you think her iron is so

elevated? do you think it has to do with elevated cortisol? she is not

supplementing at all.

> >>>>> thanks so much:/

> >>>>>

> >>>>> could i ask you a question for myself as well??

> >>>>> these were my latest iron labs....

> >>>>>

> >>>>> TIBC 282 (250-450)

> >>>>> UIBC 207 (150-375)

> >>>>> iron, serum 75 (35-155)

> >>>>> iron, saturation 27 (15-55)

> >>>>>

> >>>>> i have started supplementing again, but because my binding capacity is

low, i am scared to do too much too fast. what amount of iron do you suggest i

take per day?

> >>>>>

> >>>>> ------------------------------------

> >>>>>

> >>>>> We are not medical professionals here, just patients sharing our

experiences. Please use this information with the help of a competent doctor.

June 23, 2010

Thanks I need more info on iron just between this group and the adenrals

group I am OVER done already.

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> k thanks val,

> we both seem to have good temps for whatever reason, dunno. and i feel 150

times better than before i started t3 only, feel like i am actually tolerating

my t3 dose of 68.75 finally and am in week 15 of t3 only. 10,000mcg plus of b12

per day has helped SO SO much. just this tricky iron issue, know i would be that

much better and so would she, if we could get to the bottom of it. will keep you

posted though, and if i happen to find anything useful i will bring it back

here.

>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> hi val, i just ordered an iron panel for my sister from econolabs, and i

am a little alarmed by the results... i knew her iron was high, but it seems to

have gone higher....

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> TIBC 365 (250-450)

>>>>>>> UIBC 50 (150-375)

>>>>>>> iron, serum 315 (35-155)

>>>>>>> iron, saturation 86 (15-55)

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> and the pattern is weird,,, from the explanation for the test from Lab

Test Online, it is the pattern for iron poisoning....

>>>>>>> i am worried for her; the only solution i can think of is to give

blood, BUT we are both anemic from very low B12 (hers is lower than mine), low

RBC, and high bilirubin (the other liver enzymes are ok). SO,,,, if giving

blood helps lower iron, i'm worried it will also lower her RBC and her B12...

what are your suggestions val??

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> also, do you maybe have an opinion on why you think her iron is so

elevated? do you think it has to do with elevated cortisol? she is not

supplementing at all.

>>>>>>> thanks so much:/

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> could i ask you a question for myself as well??

>>>>>>> these were my latest iron labs....

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> TIBC 282 (250-450)

>>>>>>> UIBC 207 (150-375)

>>>>>>> iron, serum 75 (35-155)

>>>>>>> iron, saturation 27 (15-55)

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> i have started supplementing again, but because my binding capacity is

low, i am scared to do too much too fast. what amount of iron do you suggest i

take per day?

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> ------------------------------------

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> We are not medical professionals here, just patients sharing our

experiences. Please use this information with the help of a competent doctor.

June 23, 2010

Thanks I need more info on iron just between this group and the adenrals

group I am OVER done already.