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It seems from time to time I have read posts about morphine although do not recall what they said so I need help. I was told morphine is good when you cannot breath it is prescribed for pul. patients it dialates the vessels in the lungs and allows O2 to get into the blood. Any feedback would be great.

Thank you,

Amy

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Amy,

My understanding of how morphine and other opiates relieve shortness of breath is not what you have stated. Opiates generally work on the nervous system and alter the brains perception of both pain and dyspnea (difficult breathing). As I understand how the drug works morphine is not going to dialate the blood vessals bringing increased blood flow to the lungs.

What you describe is much closer to the way Revatio works. It increases blood flow in the lungs and allows greater oxygenation thereby decreaseing sob and increasing exercise tolerance. Revatio is a treatment for pulmonary hypertension. It seems to me you need a better evaluation for PH. The answers you're getting are not acceptable, there is treatment for PH and you have a right to know what's going on with your body!

Beth in North Carolina

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To: breathe <Breathe-support >Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 3:41:54 PMSubject: Morphine

It seems from time to time I have read posts about morphine although do not recall what they said so I need help. I was told morphine is good when you cannot breath it is prescribed for pul. patients it dialates the vessels in the lungs and allows O2 to get into the blood. Any feedback would be great.

Thank you,

Amy

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Amy

I have never heard that and have researched online and find nothing

anywhere to substantiate what she said. I would definitely check

directly myself if I was you. Morphine is, as Beth said used to

change the way your body senses pain. Now if your lung was in physical

pain and that was restricting your breathing then it would help. But,

its generally prescribed during Hospice for PF patients for pain.

Morphine was at one time discouraged by some doctors for dying patients

with breathing difficulties. The thought was that since it tended to

slow breathing down it might shorten life. However, the medical

community has largely changed in that regard and now believes that some

patients who receive an appropriate amount live a little longer because

their fear and struggle for breath are reduced.

The common thought in hospice today for those with breathing problems is

that if morphine is started at a small dosage and increased only

slightly thereafter, keeping close watch on the breathing rate and other

signs so as to not overprescribe, that it does actually help breathing.

Normal respiratory rate is 12-20 breaths per minute. Reducing below that

or toward the lower end might cause respiratory depression. However,

persons having a hard time breathing may often be breathing anywhere

from 20-30 breaths per minute so by easing that down to 14-16 and making

it easier and less painful it is considered to benefit breathing.

This is a discussion that has in the past found many hospice providers

at odds with many doctors. However, no article I find talks about

morphine dilating vessels.

You really need to talk to a good pulmonologist about what you're

experiencing right now. You don't have to suffer the pain you're in but

knowing the right way to relieve it is important. If, and we don't know,

the pain and increased breathing problems are caused by PH then Revatio

and Tracleer often help.

>

> Hi Beth: It was the Hospice nurse that told me it about dialates

the vessels and helps you breath better she then called the dr for an

order.

> Amy

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: Beth mbmurtha@...

> To: Breathe-Support

> Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 5:20:10 PM

> Subject: Re: Morphine

>

>

> Amy,

> My understanding of how morphine and other opiates relieve shortness

of breath is not what you have stated. Opiates generally work on the

nervous system and alter the brains perception of both pain and dyspnea

(difficult breathing). As I understand how the drug works morphine is

not going to dialate the blood vessals bringing increased blood flow to

the lungs..

> What you describe is much closer to the way Revatio works. It

increases blood flow in the lungs and allows greater oxygenation thereby

decreaseing sob and increasing exercise tolerance. Revatio is a

treatment for pulmonary hypertension. It seems to me you need a better

evaluation for PH. The answers you're getting are not acceptable, there

is treatment for PH and you have a right to know what's going on with

your body!

>

> Beth in North Carolina

> Moderator

> Fibrotic NSIP 06/06 Dermatomyositis 11/08

>

> People are so worried about what they eat between Christmas and the

New Year, but they really should be worried about what they eat between

the New Year and Christmas. ~Author Unknown

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: Amy Dawn amy7675 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com>

> To: breathe

> Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 3:41:54 PM

> Subject: Morphine

>

>

> It seems from time to time I have read posts about morphine although

do not recall what they said so I need help. I was told morphine is

good when you cannot breath it is prescribed for pul. patients it

dialates the vessels in the lungs and allows O2 to get into the blood.

Any feedback would be great.

> Thank you,

> Amy

>

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