depression - Specific Mg Forms

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Hi All,

I would really appreciate some guidance on specific

forms of Mg which are easily absorbed. Is Mg amino

acid chelate one of them? Are their any others?

Thanks,

Dave

--- andrewhallcutler AndyCutler@...> wrote:

> There are several kinds of depression, and also

> anxiety and fear and apprehension which

> often come along with them.

>

> The only one size fits all remedy is omega 3 oils.

> Good for all of it, takes several weeks to

> help.

>

> Anxiety, fear, apprehension = low GABA problems.

>

> Obsessive, compulsive, thinking about bad things,

> can't let things go, dream of being run

> over on the freeway and things like that, think of

> hurting yourself, lots of psychic distress

> and suffering = low serotonin problems.

>

> Hopeless helpless crying depression = problems in

> the limbic system.

>

> No motivation, no energy, don't enjoy anything, sit

> around like a bump on a log,

> unaroused, unaware, but mood OK (you don't feel

> DEPRESSED, you just don't feel much at

> all) = low histamine depression.

>

> Poor mood, attention deficit, emotionally flat, not

> much drive or focus = catecholamine

> depression.

>

> If you have GABA and serotonin problems you have

> adrenal problems causing both of

> them. In this case you START with adrenal support,

> like adrenal cortex extract, licorice,

> etc. Often DHEA, 7 keto DHEA and pregnenolone may

> help - these should NEVER EVER

> EVER EVER UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES be used in

> children or adolescents. Sometimes

> hydrocortisone itself may be needed, this must be

> used with care and sensibly. THEN

> when that is working worry about the rest.

>

> Magnesium and taurine often help with spacey almost

> disoriented anxiety and distress.

> These usually go along with a high heart rate and

> not sweating much. Take them several

> times a day for best effect, magnesium in forms

> OTHER than oxide or carbonate or

> hydroxide, if you use too much it is laxative. Most

> people tolerate somewhere between

> 100-200 mg per serving of magnesium. 500-1000 mg of

> Taurine at a time is about right.

>

> Serotoninergic depression = use Inositol, 1-3 tsp a

> day as needed. If that isn't enough,

> add tryptophan or 5 HTP. If that still doesn't do

> it, consider asking doctor for an SSRI if

> you are not chemically sensitive. If you are

> chemically sensitive or if you can't take

> codeine you are very unlikely to be able to tolerate

> SSRI's. In this case add adrenal support

> whether or not you think you need it.

>

> For GABA problems, try GABA (duh - it doesn't work

> for everyone though and has to be

> taken several times a day), theanine, eating protein

> at every meal, adrenal support and if

> that isn't enough ask your doctor about anxiolytics.

> If the doc is reasonable they'll offer

> you BuSpar and a valium like drug (a benzodiazepine)

> for a month or two until the BuSpar

> starts working. BuSpar does not always work, you

> have to see if it is good for you or not.

> Ativan and Xanax seem to be fairly well tolerated.

> If you need round the clock coverage

> then Klonopin is a good choice - also this is good

> if you have MS or mood instability.

> Some over the counter anxiolytics are Kava Kava and

> chamomile. Do note that all

> anxiolytics are also sedatives.

>

> For limbic problems make sure you have enough

> thyroid and sex hormones, try B-12 and

> folic acid in large amounts ONLY if you are not

> prone to agitation, the nutritional

> supplement forskolin 10-30 mg 1-3 times a day, maybe

> try dl-phenylalanine 500 mg 3-4

> times a day (if you have a lot of pain or malaise

> this is good), l-tyrosine 1-3 grams, or the

> prescription drug selegiline 5-10 mg a day. All the

> stimulant medications work excellently

> for this but mostly it is not lawful to prescribe

> them for this purpose.

>

> If you have low histamine depression, IF YOU ARE NOT

> ALLERGIC AND HAVE NO

> INFLAMMATORY PROBLEM, try l-histidine 1-3 grams a

> day. If you are allergic this will

> make your allergies dramatically worse and you must

> NOT do it. In that case, take a lot of

> nonsedating antihistamines and other allergy

> medications, for example Allegra

> (fexofenadine) and Singulair or Accolate and

> Nasalchrom as this may let your body tolerate

> more histamine. AVOID all medications that have

> antihistaminic side effects and all

> antihistamines that get into the brain (which is all

> the over the counter ones).

>

> For catecholamine depression try l-tyrosine 500-3000

> mg a day, and forskolin 10-30 mg

> 1-3 times a day.

>

> If you have a lot of fear or apprehension sometimes

> beta blockers or the alpha agonists

> clonidine or guanfacine will releive that. These

> also lower blood pressure. If your blood

> pressure is already low you have adrenal problems

> and need to take more adrenal support

> before considering these.

>

> If your mood is bouncing all over the place, you may

> have mood instability and need

> something for mood stabilization. Most doctors do

> not know that a lot of these

> medications work well at lower than normal doses but

> with much less side effects - the

> first thing to do if you may need them and aren't in

> such bad shape you need a lot right

> away to keep yourself out of trouble is to try 1/4

> or 1/2 of the usual amount and see how

> you do. Most of the choices are Rx, GABA being the

> most notable OTC choice. GABA has

> to be taken several times a day. the Atkins diet

> also helps with this.

>

> If your mood is bouncing and the period is days or

> longer, it can be you are reacting to

> dietary issues you haven't figured out yet, or you

> are chemically sensitive. In these cases

> all of the above won't help much until you avoid the

> offending foods or chemicals, then

> you may not need much help.

>

> As a rule, if you really hate the mood stabilizers

> and don't want to take them because of

> how " flat " they make you feel, you truly do need

> them and it is crucial to take them.

>

> If you find yourself changing your program around a

> lot because of what is happening to

> you and are never sure what is going on, try adrenal

> support, anxiolytics, identifying food

> and chemical sensitivities, and if those don't

> resolve it, then try mood stabilizers.

>

> Most MD doctors just hand out SSRI's for everyone no

> matter what kind of depression they

> have. This is not useful. FInd one who will at

> least try some different stuff. If one or two

> SSRI's didn't work, don't bother trying any more.

> Try different kinds of agents. If the

> doctor doesn't want to do that, go find a real

> doctor instead.

>

> Andy

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