Re: If I had any doubts. . .

May 18, 2006

Hi Toni,

I enjoyed (maybe not the right word?) your episode.

Lying there in a stupor, but suddenly ready to go when

something she needs is offered. I've been shopping

with my daughter, and we'll be having a good time

looking at this and that, and discussing things, but

when she's got what she needs, the discussion is over.

Yes! When she does this now, I say " So you're

finished and not interested anymore? " And she says ,

" That's right. " Once we get that sorted out, we don't

have to fight anyway. Then there is the moaning and

groaning about being hungry or thirsty (or tired and

faint). I want to scream, go buy something yourself!

Lately, though, I've learned to ignore it. But I

still have to mention things like, you'd better have a

bite to eat if there's a chance you're going to get

hungry before it's time to eat! She and her sister,

too, have always been monsters when they are hungry.

I've always wondered if it was some kind of deficiency

that made it impossible to deal with hunger pains.

When she moved back home, one of the articles in the

written list of rules we prepared was not complaining

about when dinner was being served. For years my

husband and I were slaves to our daughters'

appetites--now when he and I go somewhere just the two

of us, we still get a kick out of eating when and

where WE WANT!

Deborah

--- Toni P hephzeba2001@...> wrote:

> She confirmed them tonight.

>

> When my bpdd of 16 cannot be on the computer, she

> lays in bed with blankets (layers of fleece) on top

> of her with music playing. Just lays there in a semi

> stupor.

>

> Anyway, I invited her to go the the mall with me

> and she eagerly jumped at the trip since she had

> just gotten paid and had money burning a hole in her

> purse. So off we went and she did her shopping and

> came back to where I was searching for a bra ('nuff

> said, right ladies?). She HATED waiting for me and

> acted all faint with tiredness. While we were

> checking out (success for me, yay!), she started

> making noise about dire hunger and huge craving for

> sugar. We had long banter and talk and I managed to

> get her to the car without having to purchase any

> goods. I didn't want to feed the sugar monster and

> since she disdained my dinner, why should I reward

> her by buying her a snack. I was thinking out loud

> about my need for another bra and she said she

> didn't care about my bra needs so I countered that I

> didn't care about her sugar needs. Juvenile on my

> part, but she nips at me like a pirranha nips at

> food. Anyway she got mad and then started talking

> about how she may have missed

> some important phone calls because I made her come

> to the mall. Sheesh!

>

> This girl cannot allow herself to be happy or

> content!! So sad and so aggravating!

>

> BTW, I have contacted the DBT clinic in our area

> and will likely have an intake appointment next

> week!

>

> That's all for tonight. We'll see what chaos she

> creates the next 3 days as we will be attending a

> local conference and not available in the evenings.

> gulp!

>

> Toni

>

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May 18, 2006

Deborah,

Deborah minamimuki2004@...> wrote:

She and her sister,

too, have always been monsters when they are hungry.

I've always wondered if it was some kind of deficiency

that made it impossible to deal with hunger pains.

it is a disorder, called hypoglycemia. Kind of opposite of diabetes. I suspect

it often goes together with this kind of brain disorder. My daughter always had

a very sweet tooth and to this day refuses to deal with it. Low level of blood

sugar brings on an extreme irritability. (I have experienced it myself).

It is important to cut out refined sugar and simple carbohydrates (white flour

etc) and eat more often and smaller portions to keep blood sugar level.

An aside concerning environmental factors: what is our American diet loaded

with? You guessed it - simple sugar..

Remember when years ago somebody came up with the idea of ADHD being sugar

related?

Well, all these disorders are first cousins.

I am not saying that sugar is the cause of it but it certainly will make it

worse for those unlucky individuals who has the deficient genes.

Milena

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May 18, 2006

Toni,

Could have been my daughter when she was younger! (or now)

I was thinking out loud

about my need for another bra and she said she didn't care about my bra needs so

I countered that I didn't care about her sugar needs. Juvenile on my part, but

she nips at me like a pirranha nips at food. Anyway she got mad and then started

talking about how she may have missed

I might have done the same thing -- only so much you can take. If she wasn't

concerned with me and my needs, I would probably say " I'm sorry for you. " I

said that a lot. She probably got sick of that but then I wasn';t being

controversial.

Carol

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> She confirmed them tonight.

>

> When my bpdd of 16 cannot be on the computer, she lays in bed with blankets

> (layers of fleece) on top of her with music playing. Just lays there in a semi

> stupor.

>

> Anyway, I invited her to go the the mall with me and she eagerly jumped at the

> trip since she had just gotten paid and had money burning a hole in her purse.

> So off we went and she did her shopping and came back to where I was searching

> for a bra ('nuff said, right ladies?). She HATED waiting for me and acted all

> faint with tiredness. While we were checking out (success for me, yay!), she

> started making noise about dire hunger and huge craving for sugar. We had long

> banter and talk and I managed to get her to the car without having to purchase

> any goods. I didn't want to feed the sugar monster and since she disdained my

> dinner, why should I reward her by buying her a snack. I was thinking out loud

> about my need for another bra and she said she didn't care about my bra needs

so

> I countered that I didn't care about her sugar needs. Juvenile on my part, but

> she nips at me like a pirranha nips at food. Anyway she got mad and then

started

> talking about how she may have missed

> some important phone calls because I made her come to the mall. Sheesh!

>

> This girl cannot allow herself to be happy or content!! So sad and so

> aggravating!

>

> BTW, I have contacted the DBT clinic in our area and will likely have an

> intake appointment next week!

>

> That's all for tonight. We'll see what chaos she creates the next 3 days as we

> will be attending a local conference and not available in the evenings. gulp!

>

> Toni

>

> ---------------------------------

> Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo!

> Messenger with Voice.

>

May 18, 2006

These days, B isn't hungry for dinner until AFTER dinner is finished and cleaned

up. It used to be a hot button for me, but then I realized she was using this as

control over me so I chose to not react.

She eats when she wants, but she has to put food away and wash her own dishes.

More peaceful and she gets to feel like she has a bit more control over her

life. I get the illusion that I have SOME influence over what she is eating (

she mostly craves sugar, and Dr.Pepper).

Funny how our kids are so much alike. . . perhaps eating is a typical BP

trait?

Toni

Deborah minamimuki2004@...> wrote:

Hi Toni,

I enjoyed (maybe not the right word?) your episode.

Lying there in a stupor, but suddenly ready to go when

something she needs is offered. I've been shopping

with my daughter, and we'll be having a good time

looking at this and that, and discussing things, but

when she's got what she needs, the discussion is over.

Yes! When she does this now, I say " So you're

finished and not interested anymore? " And she says ,

" That's right. " Once we get that sorted out, we don't

have to fight anyway. Then there is the moaning and

groaning about being hungry or thirsty (or tired and

faint). I want to scream, go buy something yourself!

Lately, though, I've learned to ignore it. But I

still have to mention things like, you'd better have a

bite to eat if there's a chance you're going to get

hungry before it's time to eat! She and her sister,

too, have always been monsters when they are hungry.

I've always wondered if it was some kind of deficiency

that made it impossible to deal with hunger pains.

When she moved back home, one of the articles in the

written list of rules we prepared was not complaining

about when dinner was being served. For years my

husband and I were slaves to our daughters'

appetites--now when he and I go somewhere just the two

of us, we still get a kick out of eating when and

where WE WANT!

Deborah

--- Toni P hephzeba2001@...> wrote:

> She confirmed them tonight.

>

> When my bpdd of 16 cannot be on the computer, she

> lays in bed with blankets (layers of fleece) on top

> of her with music playing. Just lays there in a semi

> stupor.

>

> Anyway, I invited her to go the the mall with me

> and she eagerly jumped at the trip since she had

> just gotten paid and had money burning a hole in her

> purse. So off we went and she did her shopping and

> came back to where I was searching for a bra ('nuff

> said, right ladies?). She HATED waiting for me and

> acted all faint with tiredness. While we were

> checking out (success for me, yay!), she started

> making noise about dire hunger and huge craving for

> sugar. We had long banter and talk and I managed to

> get her to the car without having to purchase any

> goods. I didn't want to feed the sugar monster and

> since she disdained my dinner, why should I reward

> her by buying her a snack. I was thinking out loud

> about my need for another bra and she said she

> didn't care about my bra needs so I countered that I

> didn't care about her sugar needs. Juvenile on my

> part, but she nips at me like a pirranha nips at

> food. Anyway she got mad and then started talking

> about how she may have missed

> some important phone calls because I made her come

> to the mall. Sheesh!

>

> This girl cannot allow herself to be happy or

> content!! So sad and so aggravating!

>

> BTW, I have contacted the DBT clinic in our area

> and will likely have an intake appointment next

> week!

>

> That's all for tonight. We'll see what chaos she

> creates the next 3 days as we will be attending a

> local conference and not available in the evenings.

> gulp!

>

> Toni

>

> ---------------------------------

> Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone

> Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice.

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

__________________________________________________

May 18, 2006

Aha! The bp connection!

What makes B even " crazier " (pardon the expression) is that I eat a low

glycemic diet, eating whole grains, nothing white, no corn, etc.

So she thinks I am just making noise about her blood sugar issues. She does

show symptoms of hypoglycemia, probably because her levels go up and down faster

than her moods (and that's pretty fast, baby!).

Toni

Milena milenaoh@...> wrote:

Deborah,

Deborah minamimuki2004@...> wrote:

She and her sister,

too, have always been monsters when they are hungry.

I've always wondered if it was some kind of deficiency

that made it impossible to deal with hunger pains.

it is a disorder, called hypoglycemia. Kind of opposite of diabetes. I suspect

it often goes together with this kind of brain disorder. My daughter always had

a very sweet tooth and to this day refuses to deal with it. Low level of blood

sugar brings on an extreme irritability. (I have experienced it myself).

It is important to cut out refined sugar and simple carbohydrates (white flour

etc) and eat more often and smaller portions to keep blood sugar level.

An aside concerning environmental factors: what is our American diet loaded

with? You guessed it - simple sugar..

Remember when years ago somebody came up with the idea of ADHD being sugar

related?

Well, all these disorders are first cousins.

I am not saying that sugar is the cause of it but it certainly will make it

worse for those unlucky individuals who has the deficient genes.

Milena

---------------------------------

New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big.

May 18, 2006

Sometimes just saying " I'm sorry " IS the path of least resistance. I am pretty

sure B is tired of hearing it and probably doesn't believe it anyway.

Toni

bosoxfan199@... wrote:

Toni,

Could have been my daughter when she was younger! (or now)

I was thinking out loud

about my need for another bra and she said she didn't care about my bra needs so

I countered that I didn't care about her sugar needs. Juvenile on my part, but

she nips at me like a pirranha nips at food. Anyway she got mad and then started

talking about how she may have missed

I might have done the same thing -- only so much you can take. If she wasn't

concerned with me and my needs, I would probably say " I'm sorry for you. " I said

that a lot. She probably got sick of that but then I wasn';t being

controversial.

Carol

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