Guest guest Posted April 15, 2007 Report Share Posted April 15, 2007 Does anyone else have the mood swings, crankiness, irritability, in addition do they get worse during periods of vacations, family gatherings, doing things you don't want to be doing? How about you older CHARGERS? Any insight from your minds so I can help get through this? I feel like 's meds are not working anymore and I am nervous. I can't take it anymore and I don't know how to help him. We are going to the Neurologist on Tuesday. I am finding the psychiatrists I have been to of no help. Our Neurologist has been the most help. We can't go anywhere without him being just in a bad mood. He tends to scream a lot, like a shreak because he knows it bothers me. The OCD is getting worse and I am finding it harder and harder to be living a normal day. It's not his fault, he is probably feeling ill as well. I also find his behavior is terrible when trying to get him to eat and really don't know if I should push him like the " experts " are telling me too. He can eat a full nutrient pudding instead of his tube now, but would rather starve to death. His point is he wants to eat what everyone else is eating and if he can't, he doesn't want to eat. I think he is very frustrated with it and I don't know how to handle that. He is not like this at school. At school he is a star pupil and a great easy going kid, according to everyone. I have a totally different kid at home. Also, is there any connection between CHARGE and Aspergers? I met someone who described exactly, but she was talking about her 3 son's with Aspergers. Any info or knowledge of this would be great. Debbie Matasker mom to with CHARGE 10 yrs. Old in a couple of weeks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2007 Report Share Posted April 15, 2007 Debbie, I can relate in some ways to what you are saying. For us, it made sense to look at difficult behaviors and search for a biological cause. In most cases, if there is a biological cause, a medication will not really solve the problem. In some cases it might lesses the severity, or in other cases it might hide the symptoms, but generally, the traditional medication is not going to solve the problem. I was raised by a mother who did not fully believe in medication. This had to do with her religious upbringing. This attitude has affected me as I have grown up and ultimately I came to see, that in our case, what I wanted to do was to try to find the biological cause and treat it with something that would allow it to heal. I didn't want to add medications that are not natural to the body system to the mix. In our case, as I think you know, Kendra is on one medication at a very low dose. Thankfully, the difficulties she was having were happening at the end of the 1990s. At that time there was a tremendous influence in health coming from the scientists looking at the brain. In fact, the Nineties had even been identified as the decade of the brain. One of the amazing discoveries in that decade was how much the brain and the digestive system (the gut), were connected. Some even called the gut the second brain. Many people with many different kinds of conditions from ADHD to MS to Asperger's to autism and other conditions have been seeking ways to heal what is causing the difficulties. Many of the difficulties are just as you describe. Many are connected to the digestive system and its connection to the brain. Biochemistry is of couse very complex and no two people are exactly biochemically similar. But there are some similiarities and one can learn from what others have studied. In my opinion, everything that we do or think or eat or drink or breathe, can have an effect on us. In my opinion, circumstances such as you describe can be the result of a cumulative set of conditions. What makes sense to me is to try to lessen the number of cumulative factors causing problems. And then, if possible evaluate if there are approaches that can be taken to minimize the problem or even heal it. This is the approach we have taken, and Kendra is making progress. From a child who once spent most of her time spinning and biting and not sleeping and not communicating, she now is a very different young lady. While never had as severe of symptoms as what Kendra had when she was young, I do feel there are some connections. It worries me you are concerned the behaviors are worsening. It worries me, but I have a lot of hope that answers can be found. In terms of asperger's and an association to CHARGE, I will not comment. But, in our case, there is undeniable autism that is present along with CHARGE. Whether the two are originally connected, I don't know. I only know that our baby with CHARGE, turned in to a child who had severe autism. Thankfully, she is becoming more like she was prior to the start of these difficulties. My opinion is that issues with the immune system led in part to these circumstances. As for eating, I think this one topic is amazing and can offer you information that will help. If wants only to eat what the others are eating, perhaps he knows that in some way it might be better for him. Can all the others drink some kind of smoothie that has great nutrients that would be good for him? I say if you can't lick 'em, join 'em. :-) There is a tremendous amount of information out there that supports the idea that certain nutrients set off immune and/or autoimmune conditions that can have resulting behavioral consequences. Additionally, zinc deficiency has been linked in some cases to a lack of desire to eat. Kendra is treated for a zinc deficiency. I share frustrations you have mentiioned with some of the doctors you have seen. For us, seeking advice elsewhere has been beneficial. I send my prayers and support and hope your way, wkeedy@... RE: Mood - anyone have this? Does anyone else have the mood swings, crankiness, irritability, in addition do they get worse during periods of vacations, family gatherings, doing things you don't want to be doing? How about you older CHARGERS? Any insight from your minds so I can help get through this? I feel like 's meds are not working anymore and I am nervous. I can't take it anymore and I don't know how to help him. We are going to the Neurologist on Tuesday. I am finding the psychiatrists I have been to of no help. Our Neurologist has been the most help. We can't go anywhere without him being just in a bad mood. He tends to scream a lot, like a shreak because he knows it bothers me. The OCD is getting worse and I am finding it harder and harder to be living a normal day. It's not his fault, he is probably feeling ill as well. I also find his behavior is terrible when trying to get him to eat and really don't know if I should push him like the " experts " are telling me too. He can eat a full nutrient pudding instead of his tube now, but would rather starve to death. His point is he wants to eat what everyone else is eating and if he can't, he doesn't want to eat. I think he is very frustrated with it and I don't know how to handle that. He is not like this at school. At school he is a star pupil and a great easy going kid, according to everyone. I have a totally different kid at home. Also, is there any connection between CHARGE and Aspergers? I met someone who described exactly, but she was talking about her 3 son's with Aspergers. Any info or knowledge of this would be great. Debbie Matasker mom to with CHARGE 10 yrs. Old in a couple of weeks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2007 Report Share Posted April 15, 2007 Thanks . So what kind of people do I go to who would be able to help us? Do you have any ideas or suggestions, maybe someone you use that I could contact and refer me here? Debbie Re: Mood - anyone have this? Debbie, I can relate in some ways to what you are saying. For us, it made sense to look at difficult behaviors and search for a biological cause. In most cases, if there is a biological cause, a medication will not really solve the problem. In some cases it might lesses the severity, or in other cases it might hide the symptoms, but generally, the traditional medication is not going to solve the problem. I was raised by a mother who did not fully believe in medication. This had to do with her religious upbringing. This attitude has affected me as I have grown up and ultimately I came to see, that in our case, what I wanted to do was to try to find the biological cause and treat it with something that would allow it to heal. I didn't want to add medications that are not natural to the body system to the mix. In our case, as I think you know, Kendra is on one medication at a very low dose. Thankfully, the difficulties she was having were happening at the end of the 1990s. At that time there was a tremendous influence in health coming from the scientists looking at the brain. In fact, the Nineties had even been identified as the decade of the brain. One of the amazing discoveries in that decade was how much the brain and the digestive system (the gut), were connected. Some even called the gut the second brain. Many people with many different kinds of conditions from ADHD to MS to Asperger's to autism and other conditions have been seeking ways to heal what is causing the difficulties. Many of the difficulties are just as you describe. Many are connected to the digestive system and its connection to the brain. Biochemistry is of couse very complex and no two people are exactly biochemically similar. But there are some similiarities and one can learn from what others have studied. In my opinion, everything that we do or think or eat or drink or breathe, can have an effect on us. In my opinion, circumstances such as you describe can be the result of a cumulative set of conditions. What makes sense to me is to try to lessen the number of cumulative factors causing problems. And then, if possible evaluate if there are approaches that can be taken to minimize the problem or even heal it. This is the approach we have taken, and Kendra is making progress. From a child who once spent most of her time spinning and biting and not sleeping and not communicating, she now is a very different young lady. While never had as severe of symptoms as what Kendra had when she was young, I do feel there are some connections. It worries me you are concerned the behaviors are worsening. It worries me, but I have a lot of hope that answers can be found. In terms of asperger's and an association to CHARGE, I will not comment. But, in our case, there is undeniable autism that is present along with CHARGE. Whether the two are originally connected, I don't know. I only know that our baby with CHARGE, turned in to a child who had severe autism. Thankfully, she is becoming more like she was prior to the start of these difficulties. My opinion is that issues with the immune system led in part to these circumstances. As for eating, I think this one topic is amazing and can offer you information that will help. If wants only to eat what the others are eating, perhaps he knows that in some way it might be better for him. Can all the others drink some kind of smoothie that has great nutrients that would be good for him? I say if you can't lick 'em, join 'em. :-) There is a tremendous amount of information out there that supports the idea that certain nutrients set off immune and/or autoimmune conditions that can have resulting behavioral consequences. Additionally, zinc deficiency has been linked in some cases to a lack of desire to eat. Kendra is treated for a zinc deficiency. I share frustrations you have mentiioned with some of the doctors you have seen. For us, seeking advice elsewhere has been beneficial. I send my prayers and support and hope your way, wkeedy (AT) earthlink (DOT) net RE: Mood - anyone have this? Does anyone else have the mood swings, crankiness, irritability, in addition do they get worse during periods of vacations, family gatherings, doing things you don't want to be doing? How about you older CHARGERS? Any insight from your minds so I can help get through this? I feel like 's meds are not working anymore and I am nervous. I can't take it anymore and I don't know how to help him. We are going to the Neurologist on Tuesday. I am finding the psychiatrists I have been to of no help. Our Neurologist has been the most help. We can't go anywhere without him being just in a bad mood. He tends to scream a lot, like a shreak because he knows it bothers me. The OCD is getting worse and I am finding it harder and harder to be living a normal day. It's not his fault, he is probably feeling ill as well. I also find his behavior is terrible when trying to get him to eat and really don't know if I should push him like the " experts " are telling me too. He can eat a full nutrient pudding instead of his tube now, but would rather starve to death. His point is he wants to eat what everyone else is eating and if he can't, he doesn't want to eat. I think he is very frustrated with it and I don't know how to handle that. He is not like this at school. At school he is a star pupil and a great easy going kid, according to everyone. I have a totally different kid at home. Also, is there any connection between CHARGE and Aspergers? I met someone who described exactly, but she was talking about her 3 son's with Aspergers. Any info or knowledge of this would be great. Debbie Matasker mom to with CHARGE 10 yrs. Old in a couple of weeks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2007 Report Share Posted April 15, 2007 Hi Debbie, It seems to me you are in the east, in New Jersey, maybe? I can give you several ideas. Let me do some checking. :-) RE: Mood - anyone have this? Does anyone else have the mood swings, crankiness, irritability, in addition do they get worse during periods of vacations, family gatherings, doing things you don't want to be doing? How about you older CHARGERS? Any insight from your minds so I can help get through this? I feel like 's meds are not working anymore and I am nervous. I can't take it anymore and I don't know how to help him. We are going to the Neurologist on Tuesday. I am finding the psychiatrists I have been to of no help. Our Neurologist has been the most help. We can't go anywhere without him being just in a bad mood. He tends to scream a lot, like a shreak because he knows it bothers me. The OCD is getting worse and I am finding it harder and harder to be living a normal day. It's not his fault, he is probably feeling ill as well. I also find his behavior is terrible when trying to get him to eat and really don't know if I should push him like the " experts " are telling me too. He can eat a full nutrient pudding instead of his tube now, but would rather starve to death. His point is he wants to eat what everyone else is eating and if he can't, he doesn't want to eat. I think he is very frustrated with it and I don't know how to handle that. He is not like this at school. At school he is a star pupil and a great easy going kid, according to everyone. I have a totally different kid at home. Also, is there any connection between CHARGE and Aspergers? I met someone who described exactly, but she was talking about her 3 son's with Aspergers. Any info or knowledge of this would be great. Debbie Matasker mom to with CHARGE 10 yrs. Old in a couple of weeks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2007 Report Share Posted April 15, 2007 Yes, I am in NJ, northern NJ, about 30 minutes from NYC. Thank you I would really appreciate it! Debbie Re: Mood - anyone have this? Hi Debbie, It seems to me you are in the east, in New Jersey, maybe? I can give you several ideas. Let me do some checking. :-) RE: Mood - anyone have this? Does anyone else have the mood swings, crankiness, irritability, in addition do they get worse during periods of vacations, family gatherings, doing things you don't want to be doing? How about you older CHARGERS? Any insight from your minds so I can help get through this? I feel like 's meds are not working anymore and I am nervous. I can't take it anymore and I don't know how to help him. We are going to the Neurologist on Tuesday. I am finding the psychiatrists I have been to of no help. Our Neurologist has been the most help. We can't go anywhere without him being just in a bad mood. He tends to scream a lot, like a shreak because he knows it bothers me. The OCD is getting worse and I am finding it harder and harder to be living a normal day. It's not his fault, he is probably feeling ill as well. I also find his behavior is terrible when trying to get him to eat and really don't know if I should push him like the " experts " are telling me too. He can eat a full nutrient pudding instead of his tube now, but would rather starve to death. His point is he wants to eat what everyone else is eating and if he can't, he doesn't want to eat. I think he is very frustrated with it and I don't know how to handle that. He is not like this at school. At school he is a star pupil and a great easy going kid, according to everyone. I have a totally different kid at home. Also, is there any connection between CHARGE and Aspergers? I met someone who described exactly, but she was talking about her 3 son's with Aspergers. Any info or knowledge of this would be great. Debbie Matasker mom to with CHARGE 10 yrs. Old in a couple of weeks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2007 Report Share Posted April 15, 2007 There's a conference next weekend in andria, Virginia that explains many of the protocols or approaches that we have taken with Kendra. Many of the experts working in the field of helping individuals with behavioral issues related to biochemical connections will be there and making presentations. They are very approachable and always willing to talk with parents. Also, I'm aware of at least one expert that we are familiar with who is in New Jersey. I'll send you their links to your individual e-mail. :-) RE: Mood - anyone have this? Does anyone else have the mood swings, crankiness, irritability, in addition do they get worse during periods of vacations, family gatherings, doing things you don't want to be doing? How about you older CHARGERS? Any insight from your minds so I can help get through this? I feel like 's meds are not working anymore and I am nervous. I can't take it anymore and I don't know how to help him. We are going to the Neurologist on Tuesday. I am finding the psychiatrists I have been to of no help. Our Neurologist has been the most help. We can't go anywhere without him being just in a bad mood. He tends to scream a lot, like a shreak because he knows it bothers me. The OCD is getting worse and I am finding it harder and harder to be living a normal day. It's not his fault, he is probably feeling ill as well. I also find his behavior is terrible when trying to get him to eat and really don't know if I should push him like the " experts " are telling me too. He can eat a full nutrient pudding instead of his tube now, but would rather starve to death. His point is he wants to eat what everyone else is eating and if he can't, he doesn't want to eat. I think he is very frustrated with it and I don't know how to handle that. He is not like this at school. At school he is a star pupil and a great easy going kid, according to everyone. I have a totally different kid at home. Also, is there any connection between CHARGE and Aspergers? I met someone who described exactly, but she was talking about her 3 son's with Aspergers. Any info or knowledge of this would be great. Debbie Matasker mom to with CHARGE 10 yrs. Old in a couple of weeks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2007 Report Share Posted April 15, 2007 Deb--tim is like this to some degree. we tried the psychologist at one point probably ayear and ahalf ago--no help--one thing they did mention was asbergers--but didn't think it was him. again he is fine at school--just home--I think part of it is pre-teen stuff. but if he doesn't get his way the shit hits the fan sometimes throws stuff-hits things kicks--yells cries--major scene. but he can get it together if he wants to, good luck RE: Mood - anyone have this? Does anyone else have the mood swings, crankiness, irritability, in addition do they get worse during periods of vacations, family gatherings, doing things you don't want to be doing? How about you older CHARGERS? Any insight from your minds so I can help get through this? I feel like 's meds are not working anymore and I am nervous. I can't take it anymore and I don't know how to help him. We are going to the Neurologist on Tuesday. I am finding the psychiatrists I have been to of no help. Our Neurologist has been the most help. We can't go anywhere without him being just in a bad mood. He tends to scream a lot, like a shreak because he knows it bothers me. The OCD is getting worse and I am finding it harder and harder to be living a normal day. It's not his fault, he is probably feeling ill as well. I also find his behavior is terrible when trying to get him to eat and really don't know if I should push him like the " experts " are telling me too. He can eat a full nutrient pudding instead of his tube now, but would rather starve to death. His point is he wants to eat what everyone else is eating and if he can't, he doesn't want to eat. I think he is very frustrated with it and I don't know how to handle that. He is not like this at school. At school he is a star pupil and a great easy going kid, according to everyone. I have a totally different kid at home. Also, is there any connection between CHARGE and Aspergers? I met someone who described exactly, but she was talking about her 3 son's with Aspergers. Any info or knowledge of this would be great. Debbie Matasker mom to with CHARGE 10 yrs. Old in a couple of weeks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2007 Report Share Posted April 15, 2007 Dear Debbie: The behaviors you describe in actually touch upon all three of my children - only one of whom have CHARGE. ) Vacations, family gatherings and things you don't want to be doing: that would be my younger two, both of whom have sensory integration sensitivities. Our youngest, when he was younger, was very sensitive to sensory input which he was not controlling (creating). Too bright, too loud, too windy, too random, too different - it all agitated him like crackers under his skin, until he was pouty, prickly and the best we could hope for was that he accidentally injure himself and have a cathartic cry. He still can be this way to some extent, but has learned to recognize when he is becoming overloaded and can do compensatory techniques to calm himself. Also, knowing himself better, he can opt out of things he really doesn't enjoy and explain it in a way that helps people understand, rather than think he is being self centered or a party pooper. For example, he still cannot bear bowling alleys - especially if they are doing the strobe light and loud music. He stays out of movie theater trailers, but can tolerate the physically rumbling loud noise if he really enjoys the movie. IMAX is out. ) That doesn't mean that on his own initiative he himself is not loud, excitable, random or physically active. But those are his expressions and of his creation. Our middle son is sensitive to environmental input as well as interpersonal input. Being in a new environment is as taxing as being among new people. He is particularly sensitive to the feelings of assessment and questioning that occur between people who do not yet know each other. The first two weeks of any school year are exhausting for him. As for the eating, (our CHARGER) is much the same. He can drink thin liquids and some nectars (though he fatigues). He can eat things which (pardon the grossness) are the consistency of mucous. (like tapioca puddings, Gerber's banana's ....) but has a tremendously challenging time organizing foods with multiple textures, and clearing his mouth of texture, organizing a bolus and clearing his swallow. He could labor and take his nutrition orally, but if it's not what everyone else is eating, he'd rather not. He does partake in pureed soups or clear broths is we are having soup - but is uninterested in having us puree food which is not pureed for us. He is intrigued however of expanding his tube feeding diet to table foods with the aid of a stronger blender and careful re-introduction of the many food to which he was severely allergic as a child (egg, wheat and milk!!!) Finally, autism spectrum includes Sensory Integration Dysfunction, and all five of us in the family are in major ways affected by how our sensory integration is overly sensitive and overwhelmed. is mixed hypo and hyper sensitive - mostly hypo (high pain threshold, poor proprioception and balance, poor awareness of heat and cold) with occasional hyper (sudden and acute awareness of what seems like small pain. Our middle son is very hyper sensitive with sensory avoiding behaviors. Our youngest is primarily hyper sensitive with sensory seeking behaviors - he's the kid that wants to fold up in a small ball of spandex and stretch and himself against the tension of the fabric everywhere. He is the child that thrives on deep pressure, and the more of us that pile on him and press him into the ground, the happier and calmer he is. A book that really helped me and our whole family is :The Out of Synch Child Recognizing and Coping with Sensory Integration Dysfunction by Carol Stock Kranowitz http://www.amazon.com/Out-Sync-Child-Recognizing-Integration/dp/0399523863 (editorial reviews below) Another immeasurably incredible resource for us was the Sensory Dysfunction listserve on yahoo http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sensoryintegrationdysfunction/ where I found all of our family members in abundance - our challenges, our sensitivities, our reactions and how to help each of us. Best to you, I hope some of this helps- Yuka Amazon.com Do you know a child who plays too rough, is uncoordinated, hates being touched, is ultra-sensitive (or unusually insensitive) to noise or sensations of heat and cold? Many pediatricians and other experts are beginning to recognize a link between some of these apparently unrelated behavior patterns. Children with perfectly normal " far senses " (such as sight and hearing) may have, because of a poorly integrated nervous system, serious problems with their " near senses, " including touch, balance, and internal muscle sensation. It's called Sensory Integration Dysfunction, or SI. The announcement of yet another new syndrome is bound to raise skeptical eyebrows--and with good reason. (How do we know which child really has SI, and which one just happens to share some of the same symptoms?) Author Carol Stock Kranowitz argues convincingly, however, that for some children SI is a real disorder, and that it is devastating partly because it so often looks like nothing so much as " being difficult. " And, whatever the scientific status of SI, Kranowitz carefully details many routines and remedies that will help children--and the parents of children--who exhibit the behaviors described. This book is a must-read for all doctors, pediatricians, and (perhaps especially) childcare workers. -- Farr From Publishers Weekly Kranowitz, a teacher who has worked for 20 years in the field of sensory integration dysfunction and has developed a screening program for its early identification, writes intelligently about a bewildering topic. Fairly common (an estimated 12%-30% of children are affected), the disorder is nevertheless baffling to experts and parents alike, in part because of its diverse, contradictory symptoms: such children may be either hypo- or hypersensitive. Often erroneously diagnosed with attention deficit disorder (ADD) or labeled " difficult, picky, clumsy, oversensitive, or inattentive, " children with SI dysfunction exhibit unusual responses to touching and being touched, and/or to moving and being moved. In concise, well-organized chapters, Kranowitz reveals how the tactile, vestibular (pertaining to gravity and movement) and propriaceptive (pertaining to joints, muscles and ligaments) senses operate. Checklists and sidebars throughout the text compare the " normal " child in various situations to the child with sensory integration dysfunction. Asserting SI dysfunction is best treated by occupational therapy, not by medication, Kranowitz helps clear the way for families to understand a disorder that they may suspect but not have been able to pinpoint. Copyright 1998 Business Information, Inc. RE: Mood - anyone have this? Does anyone else have the mood swings, crankiness, irritability, in addition do they get worse during periods of vacations, family gatherings, doing things you don't want to be doing? How about you older CHARGERS? Any insight from your minds so I can help get through this? I feel like 's meds are not working anymore and I am nervous. I can't take it anymore and I don't know how to help him. We are going to the Neurologist on Tuesday. I am finding the psychiatrists I have been to of no help. Our Neurologist has been the most help. We can't go anywhere without him being just in a bad mood. He tends to scream a lot, like a shreak because he knows it bothers me. The OCD is getting worse and I am finding it harder and harder to be living a normal day. It's not his fault, he is probably feeling ill as well. I also find his behavior is terrible when trying to get him to eat and really don't know if I should push him like the " experts " are telling me too. He can eat a full nutrient pudding instead of his tube now, but would rather starve to death. His point is he wants to eat what everyone else is eating and if he can't, he doesn't want to eat. I think he is very frustrated with it and I don't know how to handle that. He is not like this at school. At school he is a star pupil and a great easy going kid, according to everyone. I have a totally different kid at home. Also, is there any connection between CHARGE and Aspergers? I met someone who described exactly, but she was talking about her 3 son's with Aspergers. Any info or knowledge of this would be great. Debbie Matasker mom to with CHARGE 10 yrs. Old in a couple of weeks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2007 Report Share Posted April 15, 2007 Debbie, Having known Kendra since she was little, I can back up what says about her behavior, she is a totally different person now. Also I have used some of what has told me and now have my ADHDer off meds. Good Luck Casey __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2007 Report Share Posted April 16, 2007 Hi, Our 13 yr. old Mandy Is still like what you have described, I believe is a trait of Chargers. So much is behavior, due to all these various reasons. We do everything for our life to be calm. She is Prozak which is a mood stabilizer. She sees a private psychologist to talk out her behaviors at school and privately. I can say it has gotten better with a lot of help and concealing for us also. Preparing them for the unknown is so important also we have found. Eating is a behavior they are in control of so much of their lives are out of control since birth. We are living the life of learning patience...... Patience is a virtue...... My best to you, know you are not alone, take care of yourself through this tough time.... Diane Joe , Mandy 13 charge Haley 10 ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.