Re: I feel very weird today - any advice?

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Thanks for advice Cherie

Today I dosed 7.5 mg @ 7:30 am, 5 mg @ 11 am, 5 mg @ 1:30 pm, and 2.5

mg @ 3:30 pm and felt much better- much less dizziness and less

hypogycemia. I don't think I do very with with going more than 3.5

hours between doses. My saliva results showed a little high @ nite

so I haven't been taking any at bed. Do you think I should try 2.5

mg? Tomorrow I'm going to up my AM to 10 mg so if I try a nitetime

dose, I won't try it for several more days. I've been really careful

to ramp up slowly but I think I am extra sensitive due to the

surgical hypothryoidism for the last 4 years.

>

> Hi Lexie,

>

> Sorry, I just saw this e-mail after I sent my reply. It could be a

thyroid

> dump, but it sounds more like low cortisol to me. You could try

adding 2.5mg

> at bedtime and see what it does, taking the rest during the day may

have

> lowered the nighttime level. Or you could up your morning dose to

10mg. I

> wouldn't do both at the same time though. Val, please chime in here

if I'm

> giving bad advice! Here is a link to the ramp up schedule:

>

>

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/fi

les/Ho

> w%20to%20Treat%20Low%20Cortisol/

>

> One of the important things is to go slow when adding HC especially

when you

> are already taking thyroid!

>

> Rie

>

> A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will

annoy

> enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright

>

> > I started taking HC on Feb 6th (self prescribed). Prior I'd been

> > taking IC (3-2-2-1 schedule)so just switched out 2.5 mg of HC for

one

> > dose of IC every three days. Now I am up to:

> >

> > 7.5 mg - 7:30 am, 5 mg - 11:30-noon, 5 mg - 3 pm

> >

> > (I haven't been taking any at night because my saliva results

showed

> > a 4 on a scale of 1-4 at midnight)

> >

> > Overall, I've felt much better - more energy, less muscle aches.

But

> > today I was extremely dizzy and nausiated. I was having trouble

with

> > just standing up from a seated position at work. I'm wondering if

> > this could be a thyroid dump? I didn't change my thyroid meds

when I

> > started HC b/c I don't have a thyroid - I take 100 mcg synthroid

+ 1

> > grain of Armour a day. My temps are definately not stable yet

(and

> > they are quite low), but I'm a little worried about taking more HC

> > too soon. I'm a very small person - 5'-1 " , 110 lbs.

> >

> > Can anyone give any suggestions? I'd really appreciate it!

> >

> > Lexie

> >

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[Guest guest]

You might want to add the 2.5 mg bedtime dose tomorrow, then wait before

going to 10 mg as your first morning dose. If my understanding is

correct the higher that first dose, the lower your own cortisol the rest

of the day and overnight. If that is right, I suggest supporting night

cortisol with a bedtime dose before going higher in the am.

I could be wrong, and I don't remember your labs at all.

sol

alexa_k_carroll wrote:

> Today I dosed 7.5 mg @ 7:30 am, 5 mg @ 11 am, 5 mg @ 1:30 pm, and 2.5

> mg @ 3:30 pm and felt much better- much less dizziness and less

> hypogycemia. I don't think I do very with with going more than 3.5

> hours between doses. My saliva results showed a little high @ nite

> so I haven't been taking any at bed. Do you think I should try 2.5

> mg? Tomorrow I'm going to up my AM to 10 mg so if I try a nitetime

> dose, I won't try it for several more days.

[Guest guest]

-Hi. Thanks for the input. I didn't read your post till tonight so

instead tried 10 mg this AM and felt pretty good today, esp

considering that I also started my period today. And my temps were

pretty stable. (Until today, my 11 am temp has often been .5 - 1.0

degrees less than my 3 pm temp)

Last nite I took one isocort pill at bed (which for me is

significantly less strong than 2.5 mg of HC) and it seemed to help.

I might try that again tonite.

Lexie

-- In NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS , sol

wrote:

>

> You might want to add the 2.5 mg bedtime dose tomorrow, then wait

before

> going to 10 mg as your first morning dose. If my understanding is

> correct the higher that first dose, the lower your own cortisol the

rest

> of the day and overnight. If that is right, I suggest supporting

night

> cortisol with a bedtime dose before going higher in the am.

> I could be wrong, and I don't remember your labs at all.

> sol

>

> alexa_k_carroll wrote:

> > Today I dosed 7.5 mg @ 7:30 am, 5 mg @ 11 am, 5 mg @ 1:30 pm, and

2.5

> > mg @ 3:30 pm and felt much better- much less dizziness and less

> > hypogycemia. I don't think I do very with with going more than

3.5

> > hours between doses. My saliva results showed a little high @

nite

> > so I haven't been taking any at bed. Do you think I should try

2.5

> > mg? Tomorrow I'm going to up my AM to 10 mg so if I try a

nitetime

> > dose, I won't try it for several more days.

>

[Guest guest]

-Hi. Thanks for the input. I didn't read your post till tonight so

instead tried 10 mg this AM and felt pretty good today, esp

considering that I also started my period today. And my temps were

pretty stable. (Until today, my 11 am temp has often been .5 - 1.0

degrees less than my 3 pm temp)

Last nite I took one isocort pill at bed (which for me is

significantly less strong than 2.5 mg of HC) and it seemed to help.

I might try that again tonite.

Lexie

-- In NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS , sol

wrote:

>

> You might want to add the 2.5 mg bedtime dose tomorrow, then wait

before

> going to 10 mg as your first morning dose. If my understanding is

> correct the higher that first dose, the lower your own cortisol the

rest

> of the day and overnight. If that is right, I suggest supporting

night

> cortisol with a bedtime dose before going higher in the am.

> I could be wrong, and I don't remember your labs at all.

> sol

>

> alexa_k_carroll wrote:

> > Today I dosed 7.5 mg @ 7:30 am, 5 mg @ 11 am, 5 mg @ 1:30 pm, and

2.5

> > mg @ 3:30 pm and felt much better- much less dizziness and less

> > hypogycemia. I don't think I do very with with going more than

3.5

> > hours between doses. My saliva results showed a little high @

nite

> > so I haven't been taking any at bed. Do you think I should try

2.5

> > mg? Tomorrow I'm going to up my AM to 10 mg so if I try a

nitetime

> > dose, I won't try it for several more days.

>

[Guest guest]

-Hi. Thanks for the input. I didn't read your post till tonight so

instead tried 10 mg this AM and felt pretty good today, esp

considering that I also started my period today. And my temps were

pretty stable. (Until today, my 11 am temp has often been .5 - 1.0

degrees less than my 3 pm temp)

Last nite I took one isocort pill at bed (which for me is

significantly less strong than 2.5 mg of HC) and it seemed to help.

I might try that again tonite.

Lexie

-- In NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS , sol

wrote:

>

> You might want to add the 2.5 mg bedtime dose tomorrow, then wait

before

> going to 10 mg as your first morning dose. If my understanding is

> correct the higher that first dose, the lower your own cortisol the

rest

> of the day and overnight. If that is right, I suggest supporting

night

> cortisol with a bedtime dose before going higher in the am.

> I could be wrong, and I don't remember your labs at all.

> sol

>

> alexa_k_carroll wrote:

> > Today I dosed 7.5 mg @ 7:30 am, 5 mg @ 11 am, 5 mg @ 1:30 pm, and

2.5

> > mg @ 3:30 pm and felt much better- much less dizziness and less

> > hypogycemia. I don't think I do very with with going more than

3.5

> > hours between doses. My saliva results showed a little high @

nite

> > so I haven't been taking any at bed. Do you think I should try

2.5

> > mg? Tomorrow I'm going to up my AM to 10 mg so if I try a

nitetime

> > dose, I won't try it for several more days.

>

[Guest guest]

Usually what is happening when the cortisol is low during the day and a bit

high at night is that the pituitary is sending out ACTH all day asking for

cortisol. It keeps sending it out since the adrenals aren't able to keep up

with it's request. Then the adrenals finally kick in late at night and

produce too much for that time of day. When you start taking HC, the ACTH

levels go down and so should your nighttime cortisol levels. I would add the

nighttime dose after a couple of days unless youstart feeling low cortisol

symptoms later at night. For instance, I was starving at midnight. Some

people wake up with adrenaline rushes and have to stress dose and eat

something. HTH.

Rie

A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy

enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright

> Thanks for advice Cherie

>

> Today I dosed 7.5 mg @ 7:30 am, 5 mg @ 11 am, 5 mg @ 1:30 pm, and 2.5

> mg @ 3:30 pm and felt much better- much less dizziness and less

> hypogycemia. I don't think I do very with with going more than 3.5

> hours between doses. My saliva results showed a little high @ nite

> so I haven't been taking any at bed. Do you think I should try 2.5

> mg? Tomorrow I'm going to up my AM to 10 mg so if I try a nitetime

> dose, I won't try it for several more days. I've been really careful

> to ramp up slowly but I think I am extra sensitive due to the

> surgical hypothryoidism for the last 4 years.

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Good info! I've been noticing in myself exactly what you are

describing, now that I've been on HC a couple of weeks. So if in the

past I've been low all day and high at nite, now that things are

leveling out, if I add a small dose of HC at nite should I skip

taking PS at nite? I've tried the PS here and there, with limited

success. Is it okay to take melatonin at nite with HC?

thanks for your help!

-- In NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS , " Cherie "

wrote:

>

> Usually what is happening when the cortisol is low during the day

and a bit

> high at night is that the pituitary is sending out ACTH all day

asking for

> cortisol. It keeps sending it out since the adrenals aren't able to

keep up

> with it's request. Then the adrenals finally kick in late at night

and

> produce too much for that time of day. When you start taking HC,

the ACTH

> levels go down and so should your nighttime cortisol levels. I

would add the

> nighttime dose after a couple of days unless youstart feeling low

cortisol

> symptoms later at night. For instance, I was starving at midnight.

Some

> people wake up with adrenaline rushes and have to stress dose and

eat

> something. HTH.

>

> Rie

>

> A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will

annoy

> enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright

>

>

>

> > Thanks for advice Cherie

> >

> > Today I dosed 7.5 mg @ 7:30 am, 5 mg @ 11 am, 5 mg @ 1:30 pm, and

2.5

> > mg @ 3:30 pm and felt much better- much less dizziness and less

> > hypogycemia. I don't think I do very with with going more than 3.5

> > hours between doses. My saliva results showed a little high @

nite

> > so I haven't been taking any at bed. Do you think I should try

2.5

> > mg? Tomorrow I'm going to up my AM to 10 mg so if I try a

nitetime

> > dose, I won't try it for several more days. I've been really

careful

> > to ramp up slowly but I think I am extra sensitive due to the

> > surgical hypothryoidism for the last 4 years.

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

Good info! I've been noticing in myself exactly what you are

describing, now that I've been on HC a couple of weeks. So if in the

past I've been low all day and high at nite, now that things are

leveling out, if I add a small dose of HC at nite should I skip

taking PS at nite? I've tried the PS here and there, with limited

success. Is it okay to take melatonin at nite with HC?

thanks for your help!

-- In NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS , " Cherie "

wrote:

>

> Usually what is happening when the cortisol is low during the day

and a bit

> high at night is that the pituitary is sending out ACTH all day

asking for

> cortisol. It keeps sending it out since the adrenals aren't able to

keep up

> with it's request. Then the adrenals finally kick in late at night

and

> produce too much for that time of day. When you start taking HC,

the ACTH

> levels go down and so should your nighttime cortisol levels. I

would add the

> nighttime dose after a couple of days unless youstart feeling low

cortisol

> symptoms later at night. For instance, I was starving at midnight.

Some

> people wake up with adrenaline rushes and have to stress dose and

eat

> something. HTH.

>

> Rie

>

> A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will

annoy

> enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright

>

>

>

> > Thanks for advice Cherie

> >

> > Today I dosed 7.5 mg @ 7:30 am, 5 mg @ 11 am, 5 mg @ 1:30 pm, and

2.5

> > mg @ 3:30 pm and felt much better- much less dizziness and less

> > hypogycemia. I don't think I do very with with going more than 3.5

> > hours between doses. My saliva results showed a little high @

nite

> > so I haven't been taking any at bed. Do you think I should try

2.5

> > mg? Tomorrow I'm going to up my AM to 10 mg so if I try a

nitetime

> > dose, I won't try it for several more days. I've been really

careful

> > to ramp up slowly but I think I am extra sensitive due to the

> > surgical hypothryoidism for the last 4 years.

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

Good info! I've been noticing in myself exactly what you are

describing, now that I've been on HC a couple of weeks. So if in the

past I've been low all day and high at nite, now that things are

leveling out, if I add a small dose of HC at nite should I skip

taking PS at nite? I've tried the PS here and there, with limited

success. Is it okay to take melatonin at nite with HC?

thanks for your help!

-- In NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS , " Cherie "

wrote:

>

> Usually what is happening when the cortisol is low during the day

and a bit

> high at night is that the pituitary is sending out ACTH all day

asking for

> cortisol. It keeps sending it out since the adrenals aren't able to

keep up

> with it's request. Then the adrenals finally kick in late at night

and

> produce too much for that time of day. When you start taking HC,

the ACTH

> levels go down and so should your nighttime cortisol levels. I

would add the

> nighttime dose after a couple of days unless youstart feeling low

cortisol

> symptoms later at night. For instance, I was starving at midnight.

Some

> people wake up with adrenaline rushes and have to stress dose and

eat

> something. HTH.

>

> Rie

>

> A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will

annoy

> enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright

>

>

>

> > Thanks for advice Cherie

> >

> > Today I dosed 7.5 mg @ 7:30 am, 5 mg @ 11 am, 5 mg @ 1:30 pm, and

2.5

> > mg @ 3:30 pm and felt much better- much less dizziness and less

> > hypogycemia. I don't think I do very with with going more than 3.5

> > hours between doses. My saliva results showed a little high @

nite

> > so I haven't been taking any at bed. Do you think I should try

2.5

> > mg? Tomorrow I'm going to up my AM to 10 mg so if I try a

nitetime

> > dose, I won't try it for several more days. I've been really

careful

> > to ramp up slowly but I think I am extra sensitive due to the

> > surgical hypothryoidism for the last 4 years.

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

I doubt you need the PS. It certainly wouldn't hurt to try a dose of 2.5mg

at bedtime and see how it goes. I'm not sure about melatonin, but I don't

think it would hurt anything. Does anyone else know?

Rie

A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy

enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright

>

> Good info! I've been noticing in myself exactly what you are

> describing, now that I've been on HC a couple of weeks. So if in the

> past I've been low all day and high at nite, now that things are

> leveling out, if I add a small dose of HC at nite should I skip

> taking PS at nite? I've tried the PS here and there, with limited

> success. Is it okay to take melatonin at nite with HC?

>

> thanks for your help!

>

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[Guest guest]

I doubt you need the PS. It certainly wouldn't hurt to try a dose of 2.5mg

at bedtime and see how it goes. I'm not sure about melatonin, but I don't

think it would hurt anything. Does anyone else know?

Rie

A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy

enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright

>

> Good info! I've been noticing in myself exactly what you are

> describing, now that I've been on HC a couple of weeks. So if in the

> past I've been low all day and high at nite, now that things are

> leveling out, if I add a small dose of HC at nite should I skip

> taking PS at nite? I've tried the PS here and there, with limited

> success. Is it okay to take melatonin at nite with HC?

>

> thanks for your help!

>

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[Guest guest]

I doubt you need the PS. It certainly wouldn't hurt to try a dose of 2.5mg

at bedtime and see how it goes. I'm not sure about melatonin, but I don't

think it would hurt anything. Does anyone else know?

Rie

A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy

enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright

>

> Good info! I've been noticing in myself exactly what you are

> describing, now that I've been on HC a couple of weeks. So if in the

> past I've been low all day and high at nite, now that things are

> leveling out, if I add a small dose of HC at nite should I skip

> taking PS at nite? I've tried the PS here and there, with limited

> success. Is it okay to take melatonin at nite with HC?

>

> thanks for your help!

>

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[Guest guest]

I've taken melatonin for a few years now, and didn't change or stop it

when I started HC.

No problems I'm aware of. In fact, I need the melatonin to get to sleep

at all. It doesn't keep me asleep, but does allow me to fall asleep in

the first place. I only take a minimal dose though, 250 mcg to 500mcg.

More than that it gives me nightmares or too vivid weird dreams, and I

wake up with a headache.

sol

Cherie wrote:

> I doubt you need the PS. It certainly wouldn't hurt to try a dose of 2.5mg

> at bedtime and see how it goes. I'm not sure about melatonin, but I don't

> think it would hurt anything. Does anyone else know?

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you!

I take a 2.5 mg sublingal melatonin pill - I need that much to fall

asleep. Once in a while I have vivid dreams, but not often.

>

> I've taken melatonin for a few years now, and didn't change or stop

it

> when I started HC.

> No problems I'm aware of. In fact, I need the melatonin to get to

sleep

> at all. It doesn't keep me asleep, but does allow me to fall asleep

in

> the first place. I only take a minimal dose though, 250 mcg to

500mcg.

> More than that it gives me nightmares or too vivid weird dreams,

and I

> wake up with a headache.

> sol

>

> >

> >

>