Re: Pred dosing or dropping it - bump last question for Val

February 25, 2008

This is the fifth day since dropping my HC dose and, starting

yesterday, and today with my first temp reading, temps have dropped

noticeably - like 1/2 a degree. Also waiting to hear back from doc's

office on Florinef. Don't know whether to stay where I am or to

increase HC in the meantime. Dosing HC at 10-7.5-7.5-5-5. Guess I

could add 2.5 to the second 7.5mg for total dose of 37.5mg.

> > bone crushing depression

> > and anxiety. 40 year old men don't like to sit around and try not to

> > cry

>

> Not that you'd feel any better, but DH has been there. I let him cry

> it out. He is still emotionally fragile, because like you said, it

> looks like the only way out is to keep going and hope you make it to

> the end. With your " bone crushing depression and anxiety, " I'd be

> inclined to recommend you increase your HC a tad. Reducing HC AND

> stopping pred at the same time might be too drastic a wean at once.

>

> Barb

>

February 25, 2008

I agree . I think this rules out high cortils and you will need a

tad more

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February 25, 2008

Thanks Dahlia. I'm trying to get my doc to call me back re: florinef.

Hopefully he'll agree and I'll be on it by tomorrow.

>

> Hi ,

> I've been reading this, which you may find helpful, if you haven't

already seen it (it's been posted here before), esp the part about

aldosterone:

>

> http://www.tuberose .com/Adrenal_ Glands.html

>

> And there's a doc someone posted about on another forum, Dr.

Borkin (NMD), with good adrenal and aldosterone info on youtube. Also

interesting info on electrolytes.

>

> My sleep has been improving overall for the past 3 months, not

sure what to attribute it to. Not sure the florinef has been a factor

here, but honestly I wouldn't say not. Once you realize how

significant aldosterone is, I think you'll be more excited about

getting on florinef. I don't think there is a magic bullet, but I

think there's a lot to be said for getting all the factors in place

that we need to heal.

>

> Dahlia

February 25, 2008

Hi ,

Fingers crossed! I would suggest the dosing Val recommends, it worked

well for me...start with 1/4 tab for 5 days, increasing 1/4 tab after

that, holding each dose for 5 days. I'm on my 2nd day of 3/4 tab,

and still drinking lots of salt water. Val suggested going up to 1

tab.

I'm also still taking a bit of licorice and still not having a

problem retaining water. I use Nature's Way and I take one pill and

bkfst, one at lunch.

Dahlia

> >

> > Hi ,

> > I've been reading this, which you may find helpful, if you

haven't

> already seen it (it's been posted here before), esp the part about

> aldosterone:

> >

> > http://www.tuberose .com/Adrenal_ Glands.html

> >

> > And there's a doc someone posted about on another forum, Dr.

> Borkin (NMD), with good adrenal and aldosterone info on youtube.

Also

> interesting info on electrolytes.

> >

> > My sleep has been improving overall for the past 3 months, not

> sure what to attribute it to. Not sure the florinef has been a

factor

> here, but honestly I wouldn't say not. Once you realize how

> significant aldosterone is, I think you'll be more excited about

> getting on florinef. I don't think there is a magic bullet, but I

> think there's a lot to be said for getting all the factors in place

> that we need to heal.

> >

> > Dahlia

>

February 25, 2008

Hi ,

Fingers crossed! I would suggest the dosing Val recommends, it worked

well for me...start with 1/4 tab for 5 days, increasing 1/4 tab after

that, holding each dose for 5 days. I'm on my 2nd day of 3/4 tab,

and still drinking lots of salt water. Val suggested going up to 1

tab.

I'm also still taking a bit of licorice and still not having a

problem retaining water. I use Nature's Way and I take one pill and

bkfst, one at lunch.

Dahlia

> >

> > Hi ,

> > I've been reading this, which you may find helpful, if you

haven't

> already seen it (it's been posted here before), esp the part about

> aldosterone:

> >

> > http://www.tuberose .com/Adrenal_ Glands.html

> >

> > And there's a doc someone posted about on another forum, Dr.

> Borkin (NMD), with good adrenal and aldosterone info on youtube.

Also

> interesting info on electrolytes.

> >

> > My sleep has been improving overall for the past 3 months, not

> sure what to attribute it to. Not sure the florinef has been a

factor

> here, but honestly I wouldn't say not. Once you realize how

> significant aldosterone is, I think you'll be more excited about

> getting on florinef. I don't think there is a magic bullet, but I

> think there's a lot to be said for getting all the factors in place

> that we need to heal.

> >

> > Dahlia

>

February 25, 2008

So go from dosing 35mg of HC at 10-7.5-7.5-5-5 to 37.5mg 10-10-7.5-5-5

or back to 40mg/day where I was before the pred and how to dose that?

What about dropping the night-time dose of Armour? I know that you

and Barb believe strongly in that, especially based on recent research

re: peaking of T3 midnight, but, in your experience, have some people

done better through the night without it?

Thanks,

>

> I agree . I think this rules out high cortils and you will need a

> tad more

>

February 25, 2008

So go from dosing 35mg of HC at 10-7.5-7.5-5-5 to 37.5mg 10-10-7.5-5-5

or back to 40mg/day where I was before the pred and how to dose that?

What about dropping the night-time dose of Armour? I know that you

and Barb believe strongly in that, especially based on recent research

re: peaking of T3 midnight, but, in your experience, have some people

done better through the night without it?

Thanks,

>

> I agree . I think this rules out high cortils and you will need a

> tad more

>

February 25, 2008

Still waiting to hear back from docs today. How much salt are you

taking? Do you take more or less salt as you work your way up with the

florinef?

Thanks,

>

> Hi ,

>

> Fingers crossed! I would suggest the dosing Val recommends, it worked

> well for me...start with 1/4 tab for 5 days, increasing 1/4 tab after

> that, holding each dose for 5 days. I'm on my 2nd day of 3/4 tab,

> and still drinking lots of salt water. Val suggested going up to 1

> tab.

>

> I'm also still taking a bit of licorice and still not having a

> problem retaining water. I use Nature's Way and I take one pill and

> bkfst, one at lunch.

>

> Dahlia

February 25, 2008

Still waiting to hear back from docs today. How much salt are you

taking? Do you take more or less salt as you work your way up with the

florinef?

Thanks,

>

> Hi ,

>

> Fingers crossed! I would suggest the dosing Val recommends, it worked

> well for me...start with 1/4 tab for 5 days, increasing 1/4 tab after

> that, holding each dose for 5 days. I'm on my 2nd day of 3/4 tab,

> and still drinking lots of salt water. Val suggested going up to 1

> tab.

>

> I'm also still taking a bit of licorice and still not having a

> problem retaining water. I use Nature's Way and I take one pill and

> bkfst, one at lunch.

>

> Dahlia

February 25, 2008

sorry to be late on this, just getting home from work....I was dosing 2 tsps per

day about a week before getting florinef, and am pretty much keeping to that,

sometimes a little more....I'm going on 'shakes' which I hardly get any more or

'spikes' which I hardly get or 'sweats' which I hardly get...and temps...my

temps have been much higher and if they dip, I take that as a sign to have more

salt. Water retention does not seem to be an issue on this much salt, also my

eyes are whiter and my tongue clearer. I think the florinef is helping with

some really long standing messed up fluid imbalances, and I think the salt is

helping the florinef work, at least I remember Val saying something to that

effect. Even my knees are bending better than they have in a year! And that's

with a lot more salt than I've ever taken.

Val had said to use water retention as an indicator of when to lower salt once

on florinef. So far, I'm not getting water retention even as I work my way up

on florinef, and even raising salt.

hope that helps,

Dahlia

>Still waiting to hear back from docs today. How much salt are you

taking? Do you take more or less salt as you work your way up with the

florinef?

Thanks,

>

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February 25, 2008

Do you take the florinef in the AM or PM? Need to think about

licorice. Seems like I shouldn't add anything else until I see how I

do on the florinef.

Thanks,

>

> Hi ,

>

> Fingers crossed! I would suggest the dosing Val recommends, it worked

> well for me...start with 1/4 tab for 5 days, increasing 1/4 tab after

> that, holding each dose for 5 days. I'm on my 2nd day of 3/4 tab,

> and still drinking lots of salt water. Val suggested going up to 1

> tab.

>

> I'm also still taking a bit of licorice and still not having a

> problem retaining water. I use Nature's Way and I take one pill and

> bkfst, one at lunch.

>

> Dahlia

February 25, 2008

Fl;orinef should be taken in the AM.

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February 25, 2008

Thanks. Thought that might be the case.

You said earlier that you lost some posts so I'm going to bump you on

the HC dosing question I asked earlier. Going back up to 37.5 or 40mg

from the 35mg that I have been on for the past 4 days and how does

starting Florinef bear on that decision? Reminder that I had been on

40mg for at least the month prior (and 5mg of that as pred for the

most recent 2 weeks until 4 days ago).

I was dosing 10-7.5-7.5-5-5. Today I dosed 10-10-7.5-2.5-5-5

intending to take 37.5mg but needed the extra 2.5mg b/c I was so

stressed after seeing my therapist (not his fault, but I basically

lost it after trying to hold it together for the past two days). My

temps instantly responded to the extra HC today and I got a little

headache that almost felt like a thyroid dump HA. 35 was definitely

not enough.

Thanks,

>

> Fl;orinef should be taken in the AM.

February 26, 2008

OK to dose 40mg I woudl try 10 - 10 - 7.5 - 7.5 - 5 or you can break any

of thee doses down but especially the later doses and take more often.

At 40mg I woud totally forget a 2.5mg dose. It simply makes no sense. If

you are needing that much 2.5 mg is not going to help you ANYTIME.

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February 26, 2008

I was trying to up the smidgen that you and Barb agreed I needed which

I interpreted to mean go from 35mg to 37.5. But I was really

stressing yesterday and feeling it so I stress dosed that little 2.5

in between by 3:30 and 6:30 doses. I've asked before about stress

dosing and how much we should use. On this list we tend to say 2.5mg

but over on Real Thyroid they tend to go bigger with 5mg or more. I

have yet to get the hang of how to do it, how much, etc.

My question was more whether what you meant by smidgen more was to go

back to the 40mg that I was taking before I dropped the pred, or to

just go up to 37.5mg. I think that I have probably been short all

along so 40mg is probably more where I need to be, but I also wonder

what introducing Florinef means for that.

Thanks,

>

> OK to dose 40mg I woudl try 10 - 10 - 7.5 - 7.5 - 5 or you can break

any

> of thee doses down but especially the later doses and take more often.

> At 40mg I woud totally forget a 2.5mg dose. It simply makes no

sense. If

> you are needing that much 2.5 mg is not going to help you ANYTIME.

February 26, 2008

I was trying to up the smidgen that you and Barb agreed I needed which

I interpreted to mean go from 35mg to 37.5. But I was really

stressing yesterday and feeling it so I stress dosed that little 2.5

in between by 3:30 and 6:30 doses. I've asked before about stress

dosing and how much we should use. On this list we tend to say 2.5mg

but over on Real Thyroid they tend to go bigger with 5mg or more. I

have yet to get the hang of how to do it, how much, etc.

My question was more whether what you meant by smidgen more was to go

back to the 40mg that I was taking before I dropped the pred, or to

just go up to 37.5mg. I think that I have probably been short all

along so 40mg is probably more where I need to be, but I also wonder

what introducing Florinef means for that.

Thanks,

>

> OK to dose 40mg I woudl try 10 - 10 - 7.5 - 7.5 - 5 or you can break

any

> of thee doses down but especially the later doses and take more often.

> At 40mg I woud totally forget a 2.5mg dose. It simply makes no

sense. If

> you are needing that much 2.5 mg is not going to help you ANYTIME.

February 26, 2008

I have a bit differnt philosophy about stress dosing. First if you need

to stress dose more then twice a week, your dose is not high enoiugh.

Second I feel you should ONLY stress dose for illness or nausea, shakes

that will not subside. Stress dosing for fatigue, exercise, tough days

etc.. will onyl drive your over all dosing needs up and screw up your

rythm. For everyu extra HC you take there si at least an equal reduction

in your ACTH later on. UNLESS you burn that extra cortisol immediately

which is why I prefer to only stress dose when you KNOW you will burn

the excess. Using this as a guideline has served me well and enabled me

to keep my dosingin line and still retain some adrenal funciton for the

3 years I have used HC. Now if you are hypopit there is little to worry

about supressing ATCH as it is already not there. But if you have hopes

of every healing adrenals this becomes TOP priority.

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February 26, 2008