RE: Salivia results and couple questions

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>>Can someone please let me know on the salvia test if ones TSH is 200

and the ref. range is boderline high :86 - 120 is this hyperthyroid. <<

High TSH means HYPOTHYROID not hyper, hy;per would cause a too low TSH.

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Hi,

I can't be much help with the thyroid salvia tests. I do know that it shows

what is actually getting to the cells, so I don't know that TSH is

applicable... Anyway, you would need to go by your symptoms and FT3 and FT4

to determine if you are hyper, not TSH. Blood work shows what is in the

blood, not what is getting to the celss, so they nubmers will be different.

You look like stage 5 adrenal fatigue according to the charit I have from

Diagnos-Techs. The adrenal glands need to be helped first becasue you can't

ustilize anything without appropriate cortisol. It affects everything. Your

body can't use cthyroid and your sex hormone levels will change after you

get your adrenals stabalized. Now if you were at an earlier stage of adrenal

fatigue it might be different,b ut not once you get to the later stages

becasu your body isn't producing anywhere near enough cortisol to do

anything.

HC is what you would need to take first. It is bio-identical to cortisol.

The other ones are stronger and harder on the body to process. You may have

had a hard time with HC if you weren't on enough or if you were having

thyroid dumps.

Rie

A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy

enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright

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Cherie,

Thanks for the reply. The issue was with the HC I was having heart

palpitations as well

as my mood was effected. I was even more sensitive to things and my

depressionwas experiecing a low mood again as well as getting irritated

quickly. On low dose and ramping up slowly.

I was seeing a holistic doc that I paid way too much for ,as I am on social

security disablity

due to the level of fatigue I have experienced. Last week ,I am happy to

report, was the first

in awhile I was able to get out three days in a row to see my docs and go to

grocery store etc...

I just paid $325 to the new obgyn. She took my insurance for regular examine

, but with bioidentical

hormones no insurance is taken. So, I guess first things firstl, I see the

new Endo. and try and get in

if possible before end of April . He apparently goes by symptoms not just

labs thank goodness. For now,

I will stay on the low dose of progesterone for the week and a half I have

been taking for a bit now, and put a hold on adding hormones .

I have been trying to read one of Shomon's books I checked out from the

library. It has been a bit hard because I am having trouble retaining what

I am reading as of late but I will continue to read in baby steps.

a

> Hi,

>

> I can't be much help with the thyroid salvia tests. I do know that it

> shows

> what is actually getting to the cells, so I don't know that TSH is

> applicable... Anyway, you would need to go by your symptoms and FT3 and

> FT4

> to determine if you are hyper, not TSH. Blood work shows what is in the

> blood, not what is getting to the celss, so they nubmers will be

> different.

>

> You look like stage 5 adrenal fatigue according to the charit I have from

> Diagnos-Techs. The adrenal glands need to be helped first becasue you

> can't

> ustilize anything without appropriate cortisol. It affects everything.

> Your

> body can't use cthyroid and your sex hormone levels will change after you

> get your adrenals stabalized. Now if you were at an earlier stage of

> adrenal

> fatigue it might be different,b ut not once you get to the later stages

> becasu your body isn't producing anywhere near enough cortisol to do

> anything.

>

> HC is what you would need to take first. It is bio-identical to cortisol.

> The other ones are stronger and harder on the body to process. You may

> have

> had a hard time with HC if you weren't on enough or if you were having

> thyroid dumps.

>

> Rie

>

> A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy

> enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright

>

> >

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[Guest guest]

Thanks Val for the clarification.

a

On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 6:25 PM, artisticgroomer@...>

wrote:

> >>Can someone please let me know on the salvia test if ones TSH is 200

> and the ref. range is boderline high :86 - 120 is this hyperthyroid. <<

> High TSH means HYPOTHYROID not hyper, hy;per would cause a too low TSH.

>

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>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Honestly, those sound like low cortisol symptoms to me. Especially if they

happen an hour or 2 after you take a dose of HC. What happens is your body

runs out and wants more so you get these symptoms like palpitations,

hypoglacemia, anxiety, shakiness, nasuea, dizziness and so on. Many people

mistake it for a bad reaction to HC when in reality their body wants more.

you just have to be caredul ramping up especially when you are on thyroid

becasue you can get thyroid dumps. Are you on thyroid meds right now?

Rie

A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy

enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright

> Cherie,

> Thanks for the reply. The issue was with the HC I was having heart

> palpitations as well

> as my mood was effected. I was even more sensitive to things and my

> depressionwas experiecing a low mood again as well as getting irritated

> quickly. On low dose and ramping up slowly.

> I was seeing a holistic doc that I paid way too much for ,as I am

> on social

> security disablity

> due to the level of fatigue I have experienced. Last week ,I am happy to

> report, was the first

> in awhile I was able to get out three days in a row to see my

> docs and go to

> grocery store etc...

> I just paid $325 to the new obgyn. She took my insurance for

> regular examine

> , but with bioidentical

> hormones no insurance is taken. So, I guess first things firstl, I see the

> new Endo. and try and get in

> if possible before end of April . He apparently goes by symptoms not just

> labs thank goodness. For now,

> I will stay on the low dose of progesterone for the week and a half I have

> been taking for a bit now, and put a hold on adding hormones .

> I have been trying to read one of Shomon's books I checked

> out from the

> library. It has been a bit hard because I am having trouble

> retaining what

> I am reading as of late but I will continue to read in baby steps.

>

> a

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9:21 AM

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Rie,

I have never been on thyroid medication. I am on depression medication for

years. Been doing better with depression for the most part lately, which I

feel very blessed about. For so long I was so depressed that it is amazing

to have some good days!

I went to the Endo today and brought in the rest of my labs the front office

lady told me to bring in so she can show the doc

if he can get me in prior to April 25th. Until then I will hang tight and

take day by day. Last couple days my brain is slower. I am not able to take

in things like I have been. Taking notes on thyroid to ask questions

pertaining to what I have been experiencing last three years .

I was reviewing a serum test done back in 1998, which was the first time I

had ever experienced a bad panic attack that was reason I was taken to teh

doctor as I was at work and basically had otto ay down I felt like I was

dying which most people who have experienced them describe the same

feeling, and my free t4 was 0.73 and the ref. range was 0.72-1.56 there was

no free t3 taken. The last serum test I took the free T3 was 285 ref. range

230-420 the free t4 was 0.62 and ref. range`was 0.78 - 2.19.

In a way I feel that my thyroid was low even then but came back normal and I

was treated with Paxil and Klonipin and then went through post traumactic

stress a couple times had a heart ablation for super ventricular tachyardia

in 2001 I think it was and had EBV which I only found out last year I had at

one time as I have high antibody level still when I am tested. Looking back

when the fatigue that I can shake and teh pain I get in my legs was EBV at

first but not one doctor check for that when I was in LA even though I was

in their alot because I was feeling better and I used to be able to go on

the treadmill fro at least 30 to 40 mins. and do light weights and then boom

I could barley get to some classes I was taking the community college. Not

until I moved with the switching of some depression medication was I able to

research more and slowly I am finding I do not have firbromylagia like they

told me in LA I have low cortisol and probabley low thyroid. I was told I

have fibro take flexril when needed and or a pain pill. Well that was not

the anwser. So I continue to try and find better regime so I can start

working parr time and geting back into life.

a

> Honestly, those sound like low cortisol symptoms to me. Especially if they

> happen an hour or 2 after you take a dose of HC. What happens is your body

> runs out and wants more so you get these symptoms like palpitations,

> hypoglacemia, anxiety, shakiness, nasuea, dizziness and so on. Many people

> mistake it for a bad reaction to HC when in reality their body wants more.

> you just have to be caredul ramping up especially when you are on thyroid

> becasue you can get thyroid dumps. Are you on thyroid meds right now?

>

> Rie

>

> A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy

> enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright

>

> > Cherie,

> > Thanks for the reply. The issue was with the HC I was having heart

> > palpitations as well

> > as my mood was effected. I was even more sensitive to things and my

> > depressionwas experiecing a low mood again as well as getting irritated

> > quickly. On low dose and ramping up slowly.

> > I was seeing a holistic doc that I paid way too much for ,as I am

> > on social

> > security disablity

> > due to the level of fatigue I have experienced. Last week ,I am happy to

> > report, was the first

> > in awhile I was able to get out three days in a row to see my

> > docs and go to

> > grocery store etc...

> > I just paid $325 to the new obgyn. She took my insurance for

> > regular examine

> > , but with bioidentical

> > hormones no insurance is taken. So, I guess first things firstl, I see

> the

> > new Endo. and try and get in

> > if possible before end of April . He apparently goes by symptoms not

> just

> > labs thank goodness. For now,

> > I will stay on the low dose of progesterone for the week and a half I

> have

> > been taking for a bit now, and put a hold on adding hormones .

> > I have been trying to read one of Shomon's books I checked

> > out from the

> > library. It has been a bit hard because I am having trouble

> > retaining what

> > I am reading as of late but I will continue to read in baby steps.

> >

> > a

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Those levels are actually low. In range doesn't actually mean much.

Depressiobn is a symptom of low thyroid and low adrenal. Panic attacks can

also be related. I've been told for years that my thyorid is " in normal

Range " , but yet I have cysts and nodules. You should also ask for levels on

thyroid antibodies. Most likely the problems you experienced taking HC were

from low cortisol. Basically, your body was screaming that it wanted more.

Some people do have reactions to the fillers in the HC pills, but that isn't

typical. Most of the time the reaction is an hour or 2 later becasue the

body has been starved for cortisol and wants more. When this happens, you

would need to take a bit more HC (probably 2.5mg at a time) until the

symptoms get better. At stage 5 adrenal fatigue, you definately need HC. You

should support your adrenals before you start thyroid meds.

Rie

A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy

enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright

> in things like I have been. Taking notes on thyroid to ask questions

> pertaining to what I have been experiencing last three years .

> I was reviewing a serum test done back in 1998, which was the first time I

> had ever experienced a bad panic attack that was reason I was taken to teh

> doctor as I was at work and basically had otto ay down I felt like I was

> dying which most people who have experienced them describe the same

> feeling, and my free t4 was 0.73 and the ref. range was

> 0.72-1.56 there was

> no free t3 taken. The last serum test I took the free T3 was 285

> ref. range

> 230-420 the free t4 was 0.62 and ref. range`was 0.78 - 2.19.

> In a way I feel that my thyroid was low even then but came back

> normal and I

> w

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9:22 AM

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Rie,

Thanks for the feedback. I have been told this Endo deals with the cortisol

so just maybe he will be able to be their to watch my progress. Due to being

on three medications for the the depression, after several attempts on

HC,itt is difficult to go by temps because two of my medications can cause

it to my body to get hot and then cold. I just am not feeling confortable to

try it again without do that has good knowledge. I was at the ER quite a few

times last year and they put me on high dose of Pred. and my internist tells

me to see go to a Endo, my psych. telles me I need someone well versed with

low adrenals. As it is I am living in a household that is stressful on most

days and I am in no finiancial position to move.

I have both kinds of HC . One that is I bought from a holistic doc I no

longer go to. He told me to just take 10mg once a day. What is crazy

apparently people from other states come to see him. I spent $1000's of

dollars seeing him and the last visist he sadi to me he can only offer me IV

combination and I had them and tehy did not help.Also gave me wrong type of

B -12.

Do you think the 1998 level was low? The other HC is a the phrameceutical

kind. Got prescription from my other doctor.

I just found out tonight my sister has a tiny nodule, she has hypothyroid,

and my mom has a tad bigger nodule. So maybe the doc will want to give me a

scan. The forms ask about the health conditions of my family so from that he

will be able to see that it might be good to do.

I had antibodies tests by salivia it came back negative. The serum I can not

find the results at the moment but that came back normal as well.

a

> Those levels are actually low. In range doesn't actually mean much.

> Depressiobn is a symptom of low thyroid and low adrenal. Panic attacks can

> also be related. I've been told for years that my thyorid is " in normal

> Range " , but yet I have cysts and nodules. You should also ask for levels

> on

> thyroid antibodies. Most likely the problems you experienced taking HC

> were

> from low cortisol. Basically, your body was screaming that it wanted more.

> Some people do have reactions to the fillers in the HC pills, but that

> isn't

> typical. Most of the time the reaction is an hour or 2 later becasue the

> body has been starved for cortisol and wants more. When this happens, you

> would need to take a bit more HC (probably 2.5mg at a time) until the

> symptoms get better. At stage 5 adrenal fatigue, you definately need HC.

> You

> should support your adrenals before you start thyroid meds.

>

> Rie

>

> A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy

> enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright

>

> > in things like I have been. Taking notes on thyroid to ask questions

> > pertaining to what I have been experiencing last three years .

> > I was reviewing a serum test done back in 1998, which was the first time

> I

> > had ever experienced a bad panic attack that was reason I was taken to

> teh

> > doctor as I was at work and basically had otto ay down I felt like I was

> > dying which most people who have experienced them describe the same

> > feeling, and my free t4 was 0.73 and the ref. range was

> > 0.72-1.56 there was

> > no free t3 taken. The last serum test I took the free T3 was 285

> > ref. range

> > 230-420 the free t4 was 0.62 and ref. range`was 0.78 - 2.19.

> > In a way I feel that my thyroid was low even then but came back

> > normal and I

> > w

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