Guest guest Posted June 3, 2007 Report Share Posted June 3, 2007 Janay- I think the sorrow and grief you felt is completely natural. It is a Buddhist tenet that attachment is the source of suffering. I have found this to be true for me. In similar situations of diagnosis with I have discovered I had attachments to or expectations of certain outcomes, especially when the outcomes did not match my expectations. I do feel though that my grief was for the expectation that was unmet, for the attachment to something that never really was. I did not grieve for me or my child. For truly, my child was the same wholeness before the diagnosis as after, as was I, as were we. I know it is not that one cannot see the good in other outcomes. It is that one must give oneself the care and time to grieve specifically the outcome that was denied at that moment. To be cleared, the grief and suffering must be allowed to be fully experienced (I have had many an unexpressed grief well up at a later date). Does that make any sense? I think you are doing beautifully ~ in love, Yuka Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2007 Report Share Posted June 4, 2007 Yuka, I have taken you as my spiritual guide! You have such amazing ways of imparting bits of wisdom‹long-sought-for and long-fought-for‹that are so applicable to many situations. Thank you always, for sharing them. pam > > > > > Janay- > > I think the sorrow and grief you felt is completely natural. It is a Buddhist > tenet that attachment is the source of suffering. I have found this to be > true for me. In similar situations of diagnosis with I have discovered > I had attachments to or expectations of certain outcomes, especially when the > outcomes did not match my expectations. I do feel though that my grief was > for the expectation that was unmet, for the attachment to something that never > really was. I did not grieve for me or my child. For truly, my child was the > same wholeness before the diagnosis as after, as was I, as were we. > > I know it is not that one cannot see the good in other outcomes. It is that > one must give oneself the care and time to grieve specifically the outcome > that was denied at that moment. > To be cleared, the grief and suffering must be allowed to be fully experienced > (I have had many an unexpressed grief well up at a later date). > > Does that make any sense? > > I think you are doing beautifully ~ > > in love, > > Yuka > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2007 Report Share Posted June 4, 2007 Janay and Yuka- This is profound for us to understand, really understand, that our grief is about us - not our kids. How critical is it for our kids to know that!? Imagine growing up knowing that your birth brought about grief! Horrific. But knowing that the grief was all about Mom and Dad's " stuff " and not about you - that could help. I think being able to explain that to outsiders can help them understand how we can be so happy and how our children can be the gifts and joy that they are while we appear, to an outsider, to be living such a sad existence. As you said Janay - Rasha's hearing is the same as it's always been. The only thing that changed is your awareness of what that is. Another good thought for us to remember each time we get bad news - nothing has really changed - just our knowledge of it. If we had our choice, wouldn't we want to have the picture revealed in stages to give us time to rejoice in and/or get to know each portion before the next? Imagine the entire picture being shown in it's entirety -- would we not be overwhelmed? How could we begin to take it all in? How would we prioritize and focus? Janay - this is a good topic and insight for the Discussion Group at ISD's Parent-Infant Institute. Michele W Aubrie's mom _____ From: CHARGE [mailto:CHARGE ] On Behalf Of jkhayes95 Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 7:45 AM To: CHARGE Subject: Janay Re: Re: Rasha's MRI results-Not good... Yuka, That makes perfect sense. When you really look at this particular situation, that is exactly the case. Her hearing is no different today than she was before Friday, or 2 weeks ago when they did the test or August 2, 2005, when she was born. I think the rub is that each hope is stripped in stages. I can only say that because this is the " end of the line " for hoping for a cochlear implant solution. Having that hope is what really helped me keep whatever sanity I have left along the way. When she failed the newborn hearing screen, we couldn't believe it because she always turned her head to see who was there or see her toy on the side of the crib. Then it was questionable responses along the way of a similar nature. In the end, though, it is like you said. I am stripped of my hopes and dreams. I believe I was stripped of expectations a long time ago- thank God. As I process this information (the understanding that it's my personal junk and not hers), she keeps doing wonderful things to remind us to keep moving forward. This weekend she stood barely holding the side of her crib for nearly 3 minutes when my husband got her to her feet. This coming from the kid who does a somersault when she tries to sit! She makes it really hard to be sad for long! Janay > > Janay- > > I think the sorrow and grief you felt is completely natural. It is a Buddhist tenet that attachment is the source of suffering. I have found this to be true for me. In similar situations of diagnosis with I have discovered I had attachments to or expectations of certain outcomes, especially when the outcomes did not match my expectations. I do feel though that my grief was for the expectation that was unmet, for the attachment to something that never really was. I did not grieve for me or my child. For truly, my child was the same wholeness before the diagnosis as after, as was I, as were we. > > I know it is not that one cannot see the good in other outcomes. It is that one must give oneself the care and time to grieve specifically the outcome that was denied at that moment. > To be cleared, the grief and suffering must be allowed to be fully experienced (I have had many an unexpressed grief well up at a later date). > > Does that make any sense? > > I think you are doing beautifully ~ > > in love, > > Yuka > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2007 Report Share Posted June 4, 2007 Janay- Hope, for me, can be a double edged sword. When hope means to be full of gratitude for what is today and to be open to yet unseeable miracles in every moment - then it is a joy. When hope is a way of specifically defining what will be in an effort to change what is, then it becomes an attachment to something that cuts me deeply. passed his newborn hearing test with no documented loss. When was about a year old I made the decision to start signing to provide him a vocabulary as he was trached and had no voice. I hesitated to begin, and only afterwards did I realize that I superstitiously thought that signing meant he would never talk. The moment I began to sign I untangled that false fearful connection. Upon entering special day pre-school. underwent standard hearing screening through our county and came back with a 90-120db mixed loss in both ears.This went against my existing framework and my way of understanding how to interpret 's demonstrations of abilities. So he was tested two more times, at his ENT's office and at the House Ear Clinic. Wouldn't you know it was the exact same results all three times? ) I held onto hearing as part of an idea of 's wholeness. Bit by bit my idea of wholeness has been reconstructed. Wholeness, like blessings and heaven on earth, is not dictated by circumstance or condition. By tearing me completely down I have been set free to cherish everything there is. My hope and dream is to bear witness to the constant unfolding of 's wholeness and person - and I have learned to expect that I will not be able to predict in manner or notion what the solutions will look like - so rather, I have learned to focus on living in the question - with gratitude, blessing and a sense of wonderment and excitement. My greatest blessings have come wrapped in what seemed like unwanted packages - so I have learned to trust that good will come of it - even if I cannot imagine how. In love- {{{hugs}}} yuka Janay Re: Re: Rasha's MRI results-Not good... Yuka, That makes perfect sense. When you really look at this particular situation, that is exactly the case. Her hearing is no different today than she was before Friday, or 2 weeks ago when they did the test or August 2, 2005, when she was born. I think the rub is that each hope is stripped in stages. I can only say that because this is the " end of the line " for hoping for a cochlear implant solution. Having that hope is what really helped me keep whatever sanity I have left along the way. When she failed the newborn hearing screen, we couldn't believe it because she always turned her head to see who was there or see her toy on the side of the crib. Then it was questionable responses along the way of a similar nature. In the end, though, it is like you said. I am stripped of my hopes and dreams. I believe I was stripped of expectations a long time ago- thank God. As I process this information (the understanding that it's my personal junk and not hers), she keeps doing wonderful things to remind us to keep moving forward. This weekend she stood barely holding the side of her crib for nearly 3 minutes when my husband got her to her feet. This coming from the kid who does a somersault when she tries to sit! She makes it really hard to be sad for long! Janay > > Janay- > > I think the sorrow and grief you felt is completely natural. It is a Buddhist tenet that attachment is the source of suffering. I have found this to be true for me. In similar situations of diagnosis with I have discovered I had attachments to or expectations of certain outcomes, especially when the outcomes did not match my expectations. I do feel though that my grief was for the expectation that was unmet, for the attachment to something that never really was. I did not grieve for me or my child. For truly, my child was the same wholeness before the diagnosis as after, as was I, as were we. > > I know it is not that one cannot see the good in other outcomes. It is that one must give oneself the care and time to grieve specifically the outcome that was denied at that moment. > To be cleared, the grief and suffering must be allowed to be fully experienced (I have had many an unexpressed grief well up at a later date). > > Does that make any sense? > > I think you are doing beautifully ~ > > in love, > > Yuka > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2007 Report Share Posted June 4, 2007 Yuka- As I read, I was thinking how to differentiate good hope from bad hope. It seems to me that " hope " almost always connotes an expectation that may or may not be realistic. " Gratitude " and " Trust " when put together seem to define " good hope " - expectations for goodness, gratitude for whatever comes, trust that anything (even the things that look " bad " ) will be ultimately good, etc. Does that make sense? I am reading a book by Dr - not high on the spiritual realm - but something I read recently speaks to this. She talks about everything being a double-sided coin. In marriage, for example, your partner comes with all the good things you love. But he/she is forever bound to the other stuff that drives you crazy. You can't have one side of the coin without the other. Every single thing in life has that same duality. The rain that ruins my parade is a blessing to the farmer. Every obstacle and tragedy in our path brings us new understandings and insights. Gratitude and trust recognize and honor that duality. Hope ignores the tarnished side of the coin. Michele W Aubrie's mom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2007 Report Share Posted June 4, 2007 Yuka- As I read, I was thinking how to differentiate good hope from bad hope. It seems to me that " hope " almost always connotes an expectation that may or may not be realistic. " Gratitude " and " Trust " when put together seem to define " good hope " - expectations for goodness, gratitude for whatever comes, trust that anything (even the things that look " bad " ) will be ultimately good, etc. Does that make sense? I am reading a book by Dr - not high on the spiritual realm - but something I read recently speaks to this. She talks about everything being a double-sided coin. In marriage, for example, your partner comes with all the good things you love. But he/she is forever bound to the other stuff that drives you crazy. You can't have one side of the coin without the other. Every single thing in life has that same duality. The rain that ruins my parade is a blessing to the farmer. Every obstacle and tragedy in our path brings us new understandings and insights. Gratitude and trust recognize and honor that duality. Hope ignores the tarnished side of the coin. Michele W Aubrie's mom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2007 Report Share Posted June 4, 2007 Yuka- As I read, I was thinking how to differentiate good hope from bad hope. It seems to me that " hope " almost always connotes an expectation that may or may not be realistic. " Gratitude " and " Trust " when put together seem to define " good hope " - expectations for goodness, gratitude for whatever comes, trust that anything (even the things that look " bad " ) will be ultimately good, etc. Does that make sense? I am reading a book by Dr - not high on the spiritual realm - but something I read recently speaks to this. She talks about everything being a double-sided coin. In marriage, for example, your partner comes with all the good things you love. But he/she is forever bound to the other stuff that drives you crazy. You can't have one side of the coin without the other. Every single thing in life has that same duality. The rain that ruins my parade is a blessing to the farmer. Every obstacle and tragedy in our path brings us new understandings and insights. Gratitude and trust recognize and honor that duality. Hope ignores the tarnished side of the coin. Michele W Aubrie's mom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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