Re: Re: a possible anger answer?

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I think it is neurotransmitter related . Cortisol affect these levels in

the brain. Lack of cortisol causes adaptive states in some people and

especially in long term low cortisol situations. I believe the way to

lessen this affect would be to ramp it up slower so the adapting

neurotransmitters are slowly lowered to normal levels as you raise the

cortisol.

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[Guest guest]

I would only lower maybe 2.5mg and hold that for two weeks before trying

ot raise it agian.

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[Guest guest]

Darla - That is helpful. I was also feeling angry, but noticed since my

period and being off bc for the week I don;t feel that way. My doctor wants me

to eventually get off the bc as I was 9 wks on 1wk off and it was supressing my

estrogen levels. So thanks for that post....

Re: a possible anger answer?

I do not know if you are of " the age " , but the intense anger I felt

was from very low estrogen. HC has never made me feel angry.

Darla

>

> i've posted about feeling surges of anger/aggression since getting

on

> hc and see alot of others have felt this as well but several of you

> think it could be a result of low cortisol instead of the hc.

>

> i just thought of something instead that i wondered if any of you

> thought could be a possibility, and that is since my adrenal

fatigue

> was so severe for so long that the feeling of anger/aggression i

> sometimes feel taking hc is more a result of my metabolism waking

up or

> perhaps an adrenaline rush rather than the hc itself? i think i

feel

> better overall on it and sometimes get a calming feeling with it so

i

> wondered if there is something else that could be causing those

> feelings?

>

> i wouldn't be asking so much about it other than i can't express to

you

> just how scary these feelings are. i feel literally like i could

snap

> and do something horrible they are SO intense so looking for

answers as

> to what this could be?!!

>

[Guest guest]

I noticed my adrenaline rush also about an hour after each of my doses. That

is weird sounds like we have something similar going on. I felt great ramping

up at 5-2.5-2.5-2.5, but when I got to the 5-5-2.5-2.5 point I noticed that an

adrenaline rush after the second dose. Then at night I started noticing and

adrenaline rush. I tried to go up to 7.5-5-2.5-25. and that is when I started

having trouble sleeping and breathing trouble at night. I had to sit in a chair

or upright in bed. Then I came back down to 5-2.5-2.5-2.5 and got a severe

headache for two days. Have you gotten any headaches? I also am off birth

control this week, so maybe that has something to do with hormonal upset. I

also take Progesterone, but I do good with that. I am going to stay at

5-2.5-2.5-2.5 for a while and let my body tell me the rest. Hope it works. I

need to get more temps on my chart to determine things yet. Are you having any

trouble sleeping?

After all this I tried 5-5-2.5-2.5

Re: a possible anger answer?

darla, i actually have estrogen dominance with very low progesterone.

i used progesterone cream for several months, and although i know

it's helped many others it made matters worse for me...again i think

bc at the time i was looking at labs trying one thing at a time and

think hypo/adrenal fatigue is the issue even hypo causing some

estrogen dominance vs low progesterone being the issue.

i'm trying to figure out the anger issue coming up with these

possibilities of my own and gathered from responses here:

1. too low of cortisol

2. too high of a dose too quickly as rhonda suggested

3. metabolism jump starting/adrenaline rush making me feel aggression

4. any other suggestions????

i was monitoring when the anger came and seemed to hours after my

dose indicating low cortisol but i've noticed a bit of it now even

soon after a dose so wonder if i'm on too much? not enough? an

adrenaline rush? just really confused!!!! i'm on 7.5-5-5-2.5 and my

cortisol levels were near zip before starting

> >

> > i've posted about feeling surges of anger/aggression since

getting

> on

> > hc and see alot of others have felt this as well but several

of you

> > think it could be a result of low cortisol instead of the hc.

> >

> > i just thought of something instead that i wondered if any of

you

> > thought could be a possibility, and that is since my adrenal

> fatigue

> > was so severe for so long that the feeling of

anger/aggression i

> > sometimes feel taking hc is more a result of my metabolism

waking

> up or

> > perhaps an adrenaline rush rather than the hc itself? i think

i

> feel

> > better overall on it and sometimes get a calming feeling with

it so

> i

> > wondered if there is something else that could be causing

those

> > feelings?

> >

> > i wouldn't be asking so much about it other than i can't

express to

> you

> > just how scary these feelings are. i feel literally like i

could

> snap

> > and do something horrible they are SO intense so looking for

> answers as

> > to what this could be?!!

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I noticed my adrenaline rush also about an hour after each of my doses. That

is weird sounds like we have something similar going on. I felt great ramping

up at 5-2.5-2.5-2.5, but when I got to the 5-5-2.5-2.5 point I noticed that an

adrenaline rush after the second dose. Then at night I started noticing and

adrenaline rush. I tried to go up to 7.5-5-2.5-25. and that is when I started

having trouble sleeping and breathing trouble at night. I had to sit in a chair

or upright in bed. Then I came back down to 5-2.5-2.5-2.5 and got a severe

headache for two days. Have you gotten any headaches? I also am off birth

control this week, so maybe that has something to do with hormonal upset. I

also take Progesterone, but I do good with that. I am going to stay at

5-2.5-2.5-2.5 for a while and let my body tell me the rest. Hope it works. I

need to get more temps on my chart to determine things yet. Are you having any

trouble sleeping?

After all this I tried 5-5-2.5-2.5

Re: a possible anger answer?

darla, i actually have estrogen dominance with very low progesterone.

i used progesterone cream for several months, and although i know

it's helped many others it made matters worse for me...again i think

bc at the time i was looking at labs trying one thing at a time and

think hypo/adrenal fatigue is the issue even hypo causing some

estrogen dominance vs low progesterone being the issue.

i'm trying to figure out the anger issue coming up with these

possibilities of my own and gathered from responses here:

1. too low of cortisol

2. too high of a dose too quickly as rhonda suggested

3. metabolism jump starting/adrenaline rush making me feel aggression

4. any other suggestions????

i was monitoring when the anger came and seemed to hours after my

dose indicating low cortisol but i've noticed a bit of it now even

soon after a dose so wonder if i'm on too much? not enough? an

adrenaline rush? just really confused!!!! i'm on 7.5-5-5-2.5 and my

cortisol levels were near zip before starting

> >

> > i've posted about feeling surges of anger/aggression since

getting

> on

> > hc and see alot of others have felt this as well but several

of you

> > think it could be a result of low cortisol instead of the hc.

> >

> > i just thought of something instead that i wondered if any of

you

> > thought could be a possibility, and that is since my adrenal

> fatigue

> > was so severe for so long that the feeling of

anger/aggression i

> > sometimes feel taking hc is more a result of my metabolism

waking

> up or

> > perhaps an adrenaline rush rather than the hc itself? i think

i

> feel

> > better overall on it and sometimes get a calming feeling with

it so

> i

> > wondered if there is something else that could be causing

those

> > feelings?

> >

> > i wouldn't be asking so much about it other than i can't

express to

> you

> > just how scary these feelings are. i feel literally like i

could

> snap

> > and do something horrible they are SO intense so looking for

> answers as

> > to what this could be?!!

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Sara

i noticed that i (probably inner parent) am getting angry with myself because i

am sick..I am now struggling with these feelings of anger towards myself.

bw

Nil

Re: a possible anger answer?

For the " anger " question, I know there might still be some hormonal

issues I haven't worked out, but sometimes I just get so angry because

of the

[Guest guest]

Hi Sara

i noticed that i (probably inner parent) am getting angry with myself because i

am sick..I am now struggling with these feelings of anger towards myself.

bw

Nil

Re: a possible anger answer?

For the " anger " question, I know there might still be some hormonal

issues I haven't worked out, but sometimes I just get so angry because

of the

[Guest guest]

Hi Sara

i noticed that i (probably inner parent) am getting angry with myself because i

am sick..I am now struggling with these feelings of anger towards myself.

bw

Nil

Re: a possible anger answer?

For the " anger " question, I know there might still be some hormonal

issues I haven't worked out, but sometimes I just get so angry because

of the

[Guest guest]

Yes, yes, and yes! I can so relate to feeling substandard, and like I

don't pull my weight in the home, because I don't. I can't but I'm

getting slowly better, with slightly better days more often just

recently. And since I haven't been able to work for over 10 years, I

know I would really be helpless if anything happened to DH, as I could

not support myself whatsoever. And when I don't pull my weight I feel

very guilty, like I'm just sucking up resources and giving nothing in

return.

sol

sebrown1126 wrote:

> I also get angry because I'll get better for a little while, then

> replapse again for seemingly no reason. It's like a rude little game my

> body is playing with me.

>

> It makes me very frustrated sometimes and I wonder if

> the " helplessness " of being chronically ill can also contribute to

> those anger feelings?

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Shar,

So, far I have been doing okay. I have had three good nights of sleep. I

have learned not to stay up past 10:00 if at all possible. This is the first

time in years I have been waking up feeling refreshed. I have decided to go

really slow with the Cortisol SR. I am currently at 5-2.5-2.5-2.5. I am going

to really document when I feel a certain way to figure this out. Val had

mentioned to watch the symptoms as to the timing of the Cortisol. She wrote, if

you get shaky 3 plus hours after the HC it is lowering ACTH and you need to bump

up the dosing. I you get shaky or hot 1-2 hours after Cortisol or HC dose it

means High Cortisols and you should lower.

I did feel better in lowering my second dose. I will raise as I feel my body

needs it. I am keeping track of my temps also. So, hopefully soon I can see

what that means.

Also, this week I have been off my birth control and find I don't have they

angry feelings I did. I have decided to not continue with the birth control

because we were trying to get me off of this anyway. Hopefully that works

without any kaos. I do use my Progesterone cream at night when I don't have my

period. My doctor said it should help with sleep.

I know I am not out of the woods, but doing better. Last night I was able to

go out with a group of friends and be able to relax and actually have fun

without trying. I had a margareitta with salt and slept like a baby. I did go

to bed by 10:30. I haven't done this in years and actually had fun.... I kind

of hypernate because of the way I feel I don't want to be social. I always had

the uncomfortable can't relax feelings....

Have a great week! Keep me posted. We sound like we have a lot of the same

things going on. Did you ever get your adrenals test with the saliva test? I

only have a blood test and could kick myself for not doing it before starting

the Cortisol. Mine was .30 (range .20-1.80). I don't know how severe that

would be.

Re: a possible anger answer?

rhonda it does sound like we have alot in common with this. the more

i read and ask the more i am thinking this is a surge of adrenaline

that's making me feel angry/aggressive. i was feeling good too when

starting the hc, calmer yet more energetic like my body was

saying " OMG THANKS FOR THIS " then when i started ramping up i would

feel these aggressive rushes, sometimes to the point of pure panic

and i'd have to take ativan to calm down. other times i feel calm

taking the hc and i know overall it should have that effect and i

read alot online about how low cortisol causes aggressive/impulsive

feelings.

so i'm concluding (i think) that my body being so low on adrenal

reserves for so long and my cortisol levels flatlined before taking

the hc that now that it's finally getting it my body is

saying 'thanks' on one hand but 'whoa...we're not used to this!' on

the other causing a surge of adrenaline leading to these feelings?

does that seem to make sense?

maybe i should taper the dose down too? did you find the feelings

subsided when you did? are you planning to ramp up again just slower?

yes i also would get some headaches when i felt the anger rushes too.

i just want to figure this out so much bc i know my body NEEDS the hc

but i don't want to assume wrongly that i need more or less ect.

until i figure it out more bc these feelings are very scary! can the

adrenaline rush cause this???

> > >

> > > i've posted about feeling surges of anger/aggression since

> getting

> > on

> > > hc and see alot of others have felt this as well but

several

> of you

> > > think it could be a result of low cortisol instead of the

hc.

> > >

> > > i just thought of something instead that i wondered if any

of

> you

> > > thought could be a possibility, and that is since my

adrenal

> > fatigue

> > > was so severe for so long that the feeling of

> anger/aggression i

> > > sometimes feel taking hc is more a result of my metabolism

> waking

> > up or

> > > perhaps an adrenaline rush rather than the hc itself? i

think

> i

> > feel

> > > better overall on it and sometimes get a calming feeling

with

> it so

> > i

> > > wondered if there is something else that could be causing

> those

> > > feelings?

> > >

> > > i wouldn't be asking so much about it other than i can't

> express to

> > you

> > > just how scary these feelings are. i feel literally like i

> could

> > snap

> > > and do something horrible they are SO intense so looking

for

> > answers as

> > > to what this could be?!!

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >