Re: Help with lab results and hbp ( long post)

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The first things I would try would be sea salt and potassium rich foods.

With Aldosteorone that lwo and low potassium, that could be a cause for

your high BP as the low potassium is an adaptation to having long term

low sodium. Low potassium is known to raise BP. I would try to go back

to the diuretic BP med and lower the Lisinopril which interferes with

thyroid.

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[Guest guest]

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Thank you for your response.

>The first things I would try would be sea salt and potassium rich

foods.

I am eating potassium rich foods and couldn't find Celtic sea salt

locally so have ordered some. Want to try that.

>With Aldosteorone that lwo and low potassium, that could be a cause for

>your high BP as the low potassium is an adaptation to having long term

>low sodium. Low potassium is known to raise BP.

Okay, my sodium tests have always been normal though. hmmm

>I would try to go back to the diuretic BP med and lower the Lisinopril

which interferes with

>thyroid.

I can try that. I didn't know and can't find anywhere about

Lisinopril interfering with thyroid. I thought maybe the diuretic was

causing potassium to be low.

Thanks again,

Lynn

[Guest guest]

Sodium at normal is not good enough fo rmost peoe. We need high normal

in the range. 143-145 is what I prefer to see. In range is not optimal

and wehn adrena;ls are weak they need ootimal sodium levels as they run

on sodium. The fact that your potassium is this low while eating

potassium rich foods tells me your body is compensating for whet it

perceives as low sodium as well.

The information abotu Lisinopril and it being an actual BETA BLOCKER

which can interfere with thyroid I dug up after an extensive search. I

wish I had book marked it as it was WELL HIDDEN and elusive! I was

looking it up asn I had MAJOR depression within 5 days of starting

Lisinopril which I only had one other time when I took Atenolol which

dipped my T3 in the DIRT immediately. It IS a beta blocker but that is a

side effect and not the intended use which is what you get when you

search for it, thoigh it is considered a weak beta blocker, too weak to

pace it in that category of drug, it stil has that effect on some people

along wiht th=e thyroid interferance that comes wiht that kind of drug.

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[Guest guest]

Lynn,

If I remember correctly your ferritin was very low. You must get that

up before you are going to feel better. You need iron.

Gale

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>

> Thank you for your response.

>

> >The first things I would try would be sea salt and potassium rich

> foods.

>

> I am eating potassium rich foods and couldn't find Celtic sea salt

> locally so have ordered some. Want to try that.

> >With Aldosteorone that lwo and low potassium, that could be a cause for

> >your high BP as the low potassium is an adaptation to having long term

> >low sodium. Low potassium is known to raise BP.

>

> Okay, my sodium tests have always been normal though. hmmm

>

> >I would try to go back to the diuretic BP med and lower the Lisinopril

> which interferes with

> >thyroid.

>

> I can try that. I didn't know and can't find anywhere about

> Lisinopril interfering with thyroid. I thought maybe the diuretic was

> causing potassium to be low.

>

>

>

> Thanks again,

> Lynn

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I dropped my dose of lisinopril from 20mg to 10 mg last night and took

25 mg HCTZ. BP this morning 150/90. So that may have helped. Will

stay at that for a while and see what happens. Thank you.

I sure didn't know that about sodium. I am trying to read about all

of this, it seems you are damned if you do and damned if you don't.

I have also been diagnosed with mitral valve prolapse for which I was

prescribed Atenolol. But have not had it in a long time, about 10

years. Depression seems to always be lurking like a black hole that I

can fall into at any time. In the past have tried several

antidepressants, put me on a roller coaster.

Lisinopril is listed as an ACE inhibitor. So that is very interesting

that it is also a weak beta blocker. I just read that beta-blockers

especially in combination with thiazide-type diuretics carry an

unacceptable risk of causing type 2 diabetes. Did I mention that my

insulin level is up? 18 (<10). Also HDL cholesterol is low 39 (>40).

These results are from labs Sept, 2007. I am taking 1000mg fish oil and

500 mg inositol daily as recommended by my doctor.

I would love to not have to take any of these meds. They all seem to

screw up electrolytes, renin, aldosterone(from what I have been

reading). I have been taking lisinopril 20mg and HCTZ 25 mg for quite

a few years, probably 10 yrs. This is all difficult to grasp. And

should be my doctor's job! The allopathic docs seem to think that

if a lab test is in normal range then all is well. All those tests I

had last week that I reported here, my doctor's office said all

tests were normal!

Thanks for all your help,

Lynn

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[Guest guest]

Atenolol almost killed me when it was given to me for outrageously high

BP 13 years ago. They all said my thyroid was NORMAL on 500mg Synthroid,

and actually I was in Myxedema Coma from lwo T3. I was not converting at

all, and my high BP was due to LOW thyroid/slow sodium! Between Armoru

and sea salt, I now an off all BP meds and stay arounds 128-135/70-75

Not bad as I was 245/148!!! That on their no salt diet and FOUR bP meds!

I will never trust cmpletely a doctor again. I was given under 2 years

to live then as I was in Congestive Heart Failure.. also fom severe hypo

while they kept telling me " Your thyroid is normal " Yeah right!

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[Guest guest]

Hi Gale,

Yes, I always take the iron-free multi-vits, because the iron causes me

to have constipation. But when I got these lab results back I bought

some Feosol, the carbonyl iron caplets. Took for a few days. These

seem to cause diarrhea! Am going to try again if I can get blood

pressure to normalize. How long does it usually take to get ferritin

levels up? And how much iron should you take? I was taking 1/day of

the 45mg carbonyl iron caplets.

Lynn

>

> Lynn,

>

> If I remember correctly your ferritin was very low. You must get that

> up before you are going to feel better. You need iron.

>

> Gale

>

[Guest guest]

OMG Val! So glad you are still with us! No thanks to docs! That blood

pressure is great! (the way mine used to be before they cut back on my

thyroid meds). I can't wait to try the Celtic sea salt(on order). I

have some Reese's sea salt here from the grocery store, which I have

been using fairly liberally on food, but afraid to try that the way we

are supposed to do Celtic sea salt.

Lynn

[Guest guest]

Val,

UPS just delivered my Celtic sea salt! When and how much would you

recommend taking ? and would you change BP meds at all? Yesterday I

took 10 mg lisinopril and 25 hctz. BP was down this morning 150/90.

but I just took it again: 160/115. Also I have been taking the bp meds

at bedtime. Maybe wrong time?

Lynn

wrote:

>

> The first things I would try would be sea salt and potassium rich

foods.

> With Aldosteorone that lwo and low potassium, that could be a cause

for

> your high BP as the low potassium is an adaptation to having long term

> low sodium. Low potassium is known to raise BP. I would try to go back

> to the diuretic BP med and lower the Lisinopril which interferes with

> thyroid.

>

[Guest guest]

Lynn,

I've been taking Gentle Iron. It doesn't cause any problems with my

stomach. Every other iron I've tried to take has me in the bathroom for 6 or

7 hours.

cherie

A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy

enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright

>

> Hi Gale,

> Yes, I always take the iron-free multi-vits, because the iron causes me

> to have constipation. But when I got these lab results back I bought

> some Feosol, the carbonyl iron caplets. Took for a few days. These

> seem to cause diarrhea! Am going to try again if I can get blood

> pressure to normalize. How long does it usually take to get ferritin

> levels up? And how much iron should you take? I was taking 1/day of

> the 45mg carbonyl iron caplets.

>

> Lynn

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Better to take the HCTZ at AM wake upo so it doesn;t keep you running to

the bathroom all night. Lisinopril I do nto think it matters. I woiudl

start with 1/4 tsp Celtic Sea Salt in a glass of water twice a day, am &

PM and in a few days go to 1/2 tsp twice a day . Hold at that for a

while to see if ti agrees with you as it does MOST people! If it tastes

really good, you can increase more thnthat, btu with high BP I would not

go real crazy with it. You need enoiugh sodium for your cells to be able

to rehydrate as when you are low in sodium, the cells actually get

dehydratedas the water in your body can;t pass between the cell and

membranes easily in low sodium folks. As the cells get rehydrated the

excess fluid leaves your body and you will start gfeeling much better. I

also take 3/4 tsp sea salt fo rheadaches when I get them.. it suually

works!

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[Guest guest]

Okay, I just took my 1st 1/4 tsp in water - tastes pretty good!

I can't get straight about this and taking the diuretic, seems like

they would offset each other. The salt sounds like it hydrates and

the diuretic like it dehydrates. Confusing to me.

I really appreciate all your help!

Lynn

I woiudl

> start with 1/4 tsp Celtic Sea Salt in a glass of water twice a day,

am &

> PM and in a few days go to 1/2 tsp twice a day . Hold at that for a

> while to see if ti agrees with you as it does MOST people! If it

tastes

> really good, you can increase more thnthat, btu with high BP I

would not

> go real crazy with it. You need enoiugh sodium for your cells to be

able

> to rehydrate as when you are low in sodium, the cells actually get

> dehydratedas the water in your body can;t pass between the cell and

> membranes easily in low sodium folks. As the cells get rehydrated

the

> excess fluid leaves your body and you will start gfeeling much

better. I

> also take 3/4 tsp sea salt fo rheadaches when I get them.. it

suually

> works!

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you Rie, I will try that one. I looked it up and it contains

iron bis-glycinate. So many different kinds!

I love your quote

Lynn

>

> Lynn,

>

> I've been taking Gentle Iron. It doesn't cause any problems with my

> stomach. Every other iron I've tried to take has me in the bathroom

for 6 or

> 7 hours.

>

> cherie

>

> A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will

annoy

> enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright

>

[Guest guest]

>>Okay, I just took my 1st 1/4 tsp in water - tastes pretty good!

I can't get straight about this and taking the diuretic, seems like

they would offset each other. The salt sounds like it hydrates and

the diuretic like it dehydrates. Confusing to me. <<

The fluid your body retains si extrcellular fluid. It builds betweenthe tissues

and in fact can tear them if you have enough fluid inthere. The fluid you NEED

is Intracellular fluid. You can have major fluid retention and stil be

dehydrated! This is due to the fluid not being able to pass the cell barriers

due to lwo sodium. Sodium transports the fluid into the cells where it is

needed.

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[Guest guest]

Thanks Val, very interesting!

Lynn

>

> >>Okay, I just took my 1st 1/4 tsp in water - tastes pretty good!

> I can't get straight about this and taking the diuretic, seems like

> they would offset each other. The salt sounds like it hydrates and

> the diuretic like it dehydrates. Confusing to me. <<

>

> The fluid your body retains si extrcellular fluid. It builds

betweenthe tissues and in fact can tear them if you have enough fluid

inthere. The fluid you NEED is Intracellular fluid. You can have major

fluid retention and stil be dehydrated! This is due to the fluid not

being able to pass the cell barriers due to lwo sodium. Sodium

transports the fluid into the cells where it is needed.

>

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