Re: adrenal fatigue vs adrenal stress

[Guest guest]

>

> I am confused! I have been reading, reading, reading on this site and

> STTM. I suspect that I have some adrenal issues, but am getting

> confused at all of the different terms. Several months ago I cut out:

> caffeine, chocolate, dairy and soy, and started taking some B-50. You

> would think I would feel better, but I am more exhausted and drawn out

> than ever. If I have adrenal exhaustion (coupled with hypo-T) is the

> protocol for it hydrocortisone?

>

If you think you're adrenal fatigued, it's a good idea to get a

salivary cortisol test (ASI, or Adrenal Stress Index test) to confirm

it and find out exactly what's going on and how bad it is. If you just

start taking random supplements without knowing if you even need to be

taking them, you could end up feeling even worse.

-jeff

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Cherie,

My AM cortisol test was high (at the top of the range) so based on

what you are saying, I may be doing more harm than good being on

IsoCort? Possibly I would be better off with B complex, vitamin C,

magnesium and zinc? What about an adrenal complex like Cytozyme AD?

Debbie

>

> You need to get a 24 hour coritsol test to determine if your

adreanals are

> fatigued and/or what stage you are in. In the earlier stages your

adrenals

> are acutally producing extra cortisol and you do not want to add

extra onto

> that. If you are actually low in cortisol, then you would need

either HC or

> Isocort at the later stages. Sometimes people have luck using

supplements

> and so on in the very beginning stages. You really need to test

before

> treating though.

>

> Rie

>

> I am confused! I have been reading, reading, reading on this site

and

> STTM. I suspect that I have some adrenal issues, but am getting

> confused at all of the different terms. Several months ago I cut

out:

> caffeine, chocolate, dairy and soy, and started taking some B-50.

You

> would think I would feel better, but I am more exhausted and drawn

out

> than ever. If I have adrenal exhaustion (coupled with hypo-T) is

the

> protocol for it hydrocortisone?

>

>

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Cherie,

I had been diagnosed with low cortisol by a naturopath and started

taking IsoCort in October. No blood or saliva test at the time. My

thyoid levels had been fluctuating up and down since my RAI in 2004.

In December, my endocrinologist sent me for lab work and I had an AM

Cortisol blood test. The range was 4-20 and I tested at 20.

I had been doing real well so I tried cutting back on my IsoCort and

went downhill quickly. I think I tried to do it too fast. What I

feel is that I have high cortisol now and when I tried lowering the

IsoCOrt, I had too much armour in my system and I just felt horrible!

My blood work shows my thyroid levels just below the mid-range, with

TSH at .036. Still, when I felt my best, my T3 (after taking my

armour) tssted at 3.7 (2.3-4.2 range). Now when I get my tests I

consistently make sure I haven't taken my armour and it has been

coming in at 2.9. I wonder if I am peaking too high during the day

after I take my armour? I don't know how much it affects that

number?

Debbie

>

> You could be. Was your test salvia or a blood test? Salvia is more

accurate.

> Sometimes cortisol will show up a bit high in a blood test becasue

of the

> stress of being at the doc and having the blood drawn. Plus the 24

hour test

> shows you the rhythm your body is producing thooughout the day. It

can be

> high in the morning and bottom out later in the day. That's why it's

> important to get a complete picutre. I'm not familiar with the

Cytozyme, but

> supplements like licorice and ashwandga are supposed to be good. If

you have

> high cortisol thoroughout the day, you might need something like PS

(can't

> remember the entire name..) to lower it. There are so many

variables that it

> is hard to say without knowing what the entire picture is.

>

> Cherie

>

> Cherie,

>

> My AM cortisol test was high (at the top of the range) so based on

> what you are saying, I may be doing more harm than good being on

> IsoCort? Possibly I would be better off with B complex, vitamin C,

> magnesium and zinc? What about an adrenal complex like Cytozyme AD?

>

> Debbie

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Cherie,

I thought I needed more armour too but even when I was feeling GOOD,

I couldn't increase it without anxiety, more frequent bowels, overall

feeling like there was a huge cloud hanging over me! I just felt

bad. My doctor keeps telling me I am taking too much armour yet all

of you say I am not taking enough?

When you test your FT3, is this BEFORE you have taken your armour

dose for the day or after?

Debbie

>

> If you were taking Isocort when they did the blood test, it doesn't

really

> tell you anything. You can't accurately test cortisol while taking

Isocort

> or HC. Have you been graphing your temps.? That would be the best

way of

> telling if you are at an optimal level with the Isocort. It's a good

> possibility that you may still need te cortisol support and that is

why you

> couldn't go down on the Isocort. If your thyroid levels are below

mid-range,

> then they are too low. Your adreanl glands can't really heal until

your

> thyroid is supported adequately. Your Free T3 should be at the top

of the

> range or just a bit over. And your Free T4 should be somewhere

toward the

> top of the range. So I would think that you need more Armour.

>

> Cherie

>

>

> Cherie,

>

> I had been diagnosed with low cortisol by a naturopath and started

> taking IsoCort in October. No blood or saliva test at the time. My

> thyoid levels had been fluctuating up and down since my RAI in 2004.

> In December, my endocrinologist sent me for lab work and I had an AM

> Cortisol blood test. The range was 4-20 and I tested at 20.

>

> I had been doing real well so I tried cutting back on my IsoCort and

> went downhill quickly. I think I tried to do it too fast. What I

> feel is that I have high cortisol now and when I tried lowering the

> IsoCOrt, I had too much armour in my system and I just felt

horrible!

>

> My blood work shows my thyroid levels just below the mid-range,

with

> TSH at .036. Still, when I felt my best, my T3 (after taking my

> armour) tssted at 3.7 (2.3-4.2 range). Now when I get my tests I

> consistently make sure I haven't taken my armour and it has been

> coming in at 2.9. I wonder if I am peaking too high during the day

> after I take my armour? I don't know how much it affects that

> number?

>

> Debbie

>

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Cherie,

Sorry I didn't answer your question about my temps. Yes, they had

leveled off to the high 97's but not at 98.6 yet when I began

lowering mY Isocort. They are all over the board again!

One other thing I should note is that I used to grind my teeth and

wake throughout the night, but don't seem to anymore? I think I may

have had high night cortisol before I started taking IsoCort and that

is why I woke with less energy? Why the naturopath put me on it to

begin with?

Debbie

C-- In NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS , " Cherie "

wrote:

>

> If you were taking Isocort when they did the blood test, it doesn't

really

> tell you anything. You can't accurately test cortisol while taking

Isocort

> or HC. Have you been graphing your temps.? That would be the best

way of

> telling if you are at an optimal level with the Isocort. It's a good

> possibility that you may still need te cortisol support and that is

why you

> couldn't go down on the Isocort. If your thyroid levels are below

mid-range,

> then they are too low. Your adreanl glands can't really heal until

your

> thyroid is supported adequately. Your Free T3 should be at the top

of the

> range or just a bit over. And your Free T4 should be somewhere

toward the

> top of the range. So I would think that you need more Armour.

>

> Cherie

>

>

> Cherie,

>

> I had been diagnosed with low cortisol by a naturopath and started

> taking IsoCort in October. No blood or saliva test at the time. My

> thyoid levels had been fluctuating up and down since my RAI in 2004.

> In December, my endocrinologist sent me for lab work and I had an AM

> Cortisol blood test. The range was 4-20 and I tested at 20.

>

> I had been doing real well so I tried cutting back on my IsoCort and

> went downhill quickly. I think I tried to do it too fast. What I

> feel is that I have high cortisol now and when I tried lowering the

> IsoCOrt, I had too much armour in my system and I just felt

horrible!

>

> My blood work shows my thyroid levels just below the mid-range,

with

> TSH at .036. Still, when I felt my best, my T3 (after taking my

> armour) tssted at 3.7 (2.3-4.2 range). Now when I get my tests I

> consistently make sure I haven't taken my armour and it has been

> coming in at 2.9. I wonder if I am peaking too high during the day

> after I take my armour? I don't know how much it affects that

> number?

>

> Debbie

>

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[Guest guest]

You need to get a 24 hour coritsol test to determine if your adreanals are

fatigued and/or what stage you are in. In the earlier stages your adrenals

are acutally producing extra cortisol and you do not want to add extra onto

that. If you are actually low in cortisol, then you would need either HC or

Isocort at the later stages. Sometimes people have luck using supplements

and so on in the very beginning stages. You really need to test before

treating though.

Rie

I am confused! I have been reading, reading, reading on this site and

STTM. I suspect that I have some adrenal issues, but am getting

confused at all of the different terms. Several months ago I cut out:

caffeine, chocolate, dairy and soy, and started taking some B-50. You

would think I would feel better, but I am more exhausted and drawn out

than ever. If I have adrenal exhaustion (coupled with hypo-T) is the

protocol for it hydrocortisone?

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Cherie,

Based on these graphs, I was probably in stage C. Steady but not yet

beginning to rise. My understanding is in order to get it to rise, I

needed to increase my armour yet I could never do it? Will it just

rise automatically over time? Do I just need to be more patient? I

definately started at stage A so I am certain I made some progress.

Debbie

>

> Debbie,

>

> That sounds like you might not have had enought cortisol to raise

the armour

> or it could have sent you hyper. Val may can elaborate more when

she gets on

> in the morning. Were you tracking your temps as shown here:

> http://www.drrind.com/tempgraph.asp ? When the daily average doesn't

> fluctuate more than .2 degrees from one day to the next, then you

are on

> enough cortisol. My understanding is that you don't take the Armour

the

> morning of the blood draw. A big thing to go by other than test

results is

> how you feel though. If you felt good, then you may have been at an

optimal

> dose for everything. How long did you hold with what you were

taking when

> you felt good? If you were at the right dose for cortisol and

thyroid, you

> should hold it for a bit to give your adrenals time to actually

rest and

> heal. Then you slowly taper down. If you start having problems,

they still

> need support.

>

> Cherie,

>

> I thought I needed more armour too but even when I was feeling GOOD,

> I couldn't increase it without anxiety, more frequent bowels,

overall

> feeling like there was a huge cloud hanging over me! I just felt

> bad. My doctor keeps telling me I am taking too much armour yet all

> of you say I am not taking enough?

>

> When you test your FT3, is this BEFORE you have taken your armour

> dose for the day or after?

>

> Debbie

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

You could be. Was your test salvia or a blood test? Salvia is more accurate.

Sometimes cortisol will show up a bit high in a blood test becasue of the

stress of being at the doc and having the blood drawn. Plus the 24 hour test

shows you the rhythm your body is producing thooughout the day. It can be

high in the morning and bottom out later in the day. That's why it's

important to get a complete picutre. I'm not familiar with the Cytozyme, but

supplements like licorice and ashwandga are supposed to be good. If you have

high cortisol thoroughout the day, you might need something like PS (can't

remember the entire name..) to lower it. There are so many variables that it

is hard to say without knowing what the entire picture is.

Cherie

Cherie,

My AM cortisol test was high (at the top of the range) so based on

what you are saying, I may be doing more harm than good being on

IsoCort? Possibly I would be better off with B complex, vitamin C,

magnesium and zinc? What about an adrenal complex like Cytozyme AD?

Debbie

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If you were taking Isocort when they did the blood test, it doesn't really

tell you anything. You can't accurately test cortisol while taking Isocort

or HC. Have you been graphing your temps.? That would be the best way of

telling if you are at an optimal level with the Isocort. It's a good

possibility that you may still need te cortisol support and that is why you

couldn't go down on the Isocort. If your thyroid levels are below mid-range,

then they are too low. Your adreanl glands can't really heal until your

thyroid is supported adequately. Your Free T3 should be at the top of the

range or just a bit over. And your Free T4 should be somewhere toward the

top of the range. So I would think that you need more Armour.

Cherie

Cherie,

I had been diagnosed with low cortisol by a naturopath and started

taking IsoCort in October. No blood or saliva test at the time. My

thyoid levels had been fluctuating up and down since my RAI in 2004.

In December, my endocrinologist sent me for lab work and I had an AM

Cortisol blood test. The range was 4-20 and I tested at 20.

I had been doing real well so I tried cutting back on my IsoCort and

went downhill quickly. I think I tried to do it too fast. What I

feel is that I have high cortisol now and when I tried lowering the

IsoCOrt, I had too much armour in my system and I just felt horrible!

My blood work shows my thyroid levels just below the mid-range, with

TSH at .036. Still, when I felt my best, my T3 (after taking my

armour) tssted at 3.7 (2.3-4.2 range). Now when I get my tests I

consistently make sure I haven't taken my armour and it has been

coming in at 2.9. I wonder if I am peaking too high during the day

after I take my armour? I don't know how much it affects that

number?

Debbie

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Debbie,

That sounds like you might not have had enought cortisol to raise the armour

or it could have sent you hyper. Val may can elaborate more when she gets on

in the morning. Were you tracking your temps as shown here:

http://www.drrind.com/tempgraph.asp ? When the daily average doesn't

fluctuate more than .2 degrees from one day to the next, then you are on

enough cortisol. My understanding is that you don't take the Armour the

morning of the blood draw. A big thing to go by other than test results is

how you feel though. If you felt good, then you may have been at an optimal

dose for everything. How long did you hold with what you were taking when

you felt good? If you were at the right dose for cortisol and thyroid, you

should hold it for a bit to give your adrenals time to actually rest and

heal. Then you slowly taper down. If you start having problems, they still

need support.

Cherie,

I thought I needed more armour too but even when I was feeling GOOD,

I couldn't increase it without anxiety, more frequent bowels, overall

feeling like there was a huge cloud hanging over me! I just felt

bad. My doctor keeps telling me I am taking too much armour yet all

of you say I am not taking enough?

When you test your FT3, is this BEFORE you have taken your armour

dose for the day or after?

Debbie

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I'm not sure if the temps would rise over time or not. It may be that you

needed just a bit more cortisol to tolerate the armour increase. If your

temps were stable, that is a good sign. Everything you've said makes me

think you needed a bit more armour, but it's possible since you were feeling

good that you were on enough. Do you know what your ferritin levels and B-12

levels are? Sometimes that can interefere. I'm sure Val will have some ideas

when she gets online in the morning.

Rie

Cherie,

Based on these graphs, I was probably in stage C. Steady but not yet

beginning to rise. My understanding is in order to get it to rise, I

needed to increase my armour yet I could never do it? Will it just

rise automatically over time? Do I just need to be more patient? I

definately started at stage A so I am certain I made some progress.

Debbie

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Sorry - forgot to mention that I have ordered the combo saliva/blood

spot test through the Canary Club website. I have been taking

my temps throughout the day, and found that I am all over the

board....

I have no intention of supplementing with anything until I get

results of saliva test AND share results with Doc. I am just trying

to get my mind around the whole thing and gather enough clear data to

present to my doctor. Thanks for the responses!

T

>

> You need to get a 24 hour coritsol test to determine if your

adreanals are

> fatigued and/or what stage you are in. In the earlier stages your

adrenals

> are acutally producing extra cortisol and you do not want to add

extra onto

> that. If you are actually low in cortisol, then you would need

either HC or

> Isocort at the later stages. Sometimes people have luck using

supplements

> and so on in the very beginning stages. You really need to test

before

> treating though.

>

> Rie

>

[Guest guest]

How much Armour are you taking? Average dose is between 2-5 grains.

Your labs and temps are showing you as hypo. When you don't have

enough cortisol to tolerate thyroid, you can get hyper symptoms, even

though you're still hypo. Symptoms like anxiety, fast heart rate, just

don't feel good, feel hyper.

You should get thyroid labs in the morning, and not take any Armour

that morning till AFTER your test. If you've been taking it regularly

for at least 4 weeks, you will get an accurate reading of your blood

T3. 2.9 shows you as hypo since you'd ideally like to be at 4.0 or

higher. If your FT4 range is .8-1.8, you'd want to be around 1.4. You

will have to ignore TSH when taking Armour. My latest TSH came back

at .03 on 2 grains, and I'm now raising to 2.5 grains, because my FT4

was only 1.0 and FT3 3.6.

If you can take a morning basal temperature under your arm on days 2 or

3 of your period, that would give you the best indicator of how hypo

you are. That basal should be between 97.8-98.2. I have found a huge

difference between temps in the mouth and temps under the arm. My oral

temps are optimal (I hit 98.9 right before my period!), yet I still had

hypo symptoms of cold feet and thin hair. But my underarm temp was

97.3.

Barb

" Debbie B " wrote:

> my temps. Yes, they had

> leveled off to the high 97's but not at 98.6 yet when I began

> lowering mY Isocort. They are all over the board again!

> > My blood work shows my thyroid levels just below the mid-range,

> with

> > TSH at .036. Still, when I felt my best, my T3 (after taking my

> > armour) tssted at 3.7 (2.3-4.2 range). Now when I get my tests I

> > consistently make sure I haven't taken my armour and it has been

> > coming in at 2.9. I wonder if I am peaking too high during the day

> > after I take my armour? I don't know how much it affects that

> > number?

[Guest guest]

Hi Barb,

I am on 2.25 grains of armour (5 months) and have been trying to

raise it to 2.5. All of my last three labs were before I took my

armour and in the am. They were as follow: FT4 .96, FT3 2.9 and

TSH .036. Other than my temps, I do not feel hypo anymore. I just

can't get off the IsoCort or increase my armour. Unfortunately, I am

going to have to back peddle a little and get my adrenals back to

where they were before I try it again. Possibly, I need to be stable

for a couple of weeks before I try anything with my armour?

My doctor is so stuck on this YSH thing that I don't know how much

farther I can push it without changing doctors. I'm very frusterated!

Thank you for sharing.

Debbie

> > my temps. Yes, they had

> > leveled off to the high 97's but not at 98.6 yet when I began

> > lowering mY Isocort. They are all over the board again!

> > > My blood work shows my thyroid levels just below the mid-

range,

> > with

> > > TSH at .036. Still, when I felt my best, my T3 (after taking my

> > > armour) tssted at 3.7 (2.3-4.2 range). Now when I get my tests

I

> > > consistently make sure I haven't taken my armour and it has been

> > > coming in at 2.9. I wonder if I am peaking too high during the

day

> > > after I take my armour? I don't know how much it affects that

> > > number?

>

[Guest guest]

Our Armour dose, FT4 and TSH are nearly identical, yet your FT3 is

considerably lower. I wonder if you have a RT3 problem. Has that

been tested? What about saliva labs? How are your cortisol levels?

How much Isocort do you take each day?

Barb

" Debbie B " wrote:

>

> Hi Barb,

>

> I am on 2.25 grains of armour (5 months) and have been trying to

> raise it to 2.5. All of my last three labs were before I took my

> armour and in the am. They were as follow: FT4 .96, FT3 2.9 and

> TSH .036. Other than my temps, I do not feel hypo anymore. I just

> can't get off the IsoCort or increase my armour. Unfortunately, I

am

> going to have to back peddle a little and get my adrenals back to

> where they were before I try it again. Possibly, I need to be

stable

> for a couple of weeks before I try anything with my armour?

>

> My doctor is so stuck on this YSH thing that I don't know how much

> farther I can push it without changing doctors. I'm very

frusterated!

>

> Thank you for sharing.

>

> Debbie

>

>

> > > my temps. Yes, they had

> > > leveled off to the high 97's but not at 98.6 yet when I began

> > > lowering mY Isocort. They are all over the board again!

> > > > My blood work shows my thyroid levels just below the mid-

> range,

> > > with

> > > > TSH at .036. Still, when I felt my best, my T3 (after taking

my

> > > > armour) tssted at 3.7 (2.3-4.2 range). Now when I get my

tests

> I

> > > > consistently make sure I haven't taken my armour and it has

been

> > > > coming in at 2.9. I wonder if I am peaking too high during

the

> day

> > > > after I take my armour? I don't know how much it affects

that

> > > > number?

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Barb,

No, I haven't had my RT3 tested. I had my thyroid antibodies tested

recently and it showed my numbers are still above the top of the

range so my Grave's is not in remission. Probably because I have

never stabilized my thyroid levels for more than six monts. If I had

an RT3 problem, wouldn't I feel better if I took a little extra

Cytomel? I tried that and I felt good for a day or two and then just

wigged out being hyper again.

For IsoCort, I was taking 7 pellets (3/2/1/1) when I tried to cut

back. I am now back to 6 pellets (2/2/1/1). My AM cortisol was 20

on a scale of 4-20. (Very high)

Debbie

> > > > my temps. Yes, they had

> > > > leveled off to the high 97's but not at 98.6 yet when I began

> > > > lowering mY Isocort. They are all over the board again!

> > > > > My blood work shows my thyroid levels just below the mid-

> > range,

> > > > with

> > > > > TSH at .036. Still, when I felt my best, my T3 (after

taking

> my

> > > > > armour) tssted at 3.7 (2.3-4.2 range). Now when I get my

> tests

> > I

> > > > > consistently make sure I haven't taken my armour and it has

> been

> > > > > coming in at 2.9. I wonder if I am peaking too high during

> the

> > day

> > > > > after I take my armour? I don't know how much it affects

> that

> > > > > number?

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>>If I had

an RT3 problem, wouldn't I feel better if I took a little extra

Cytomel? I tried that and I felt good for a day or two and then just

wigged out being hyper again.<<

NO.. It takes a couple months on a TSH supressive dose of T3 to clear out RT3

and actually feel better,.

--

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[Guest guest]

You never had 4x/day saliva labs done? IF you were high cortisol,

that would suppress your T4 to T3 conversion.

But the fact that Cytomel made you hyper seems to indicate low

cortisol. But with Grave's why is your FT3 only 2.9? Val?

Barb

> > > > > my temps. Yes, they had

> > > > > leveled off to the high 97's but not at 98.6 yet when I

began

> > > > > lowering mY Isocort. They are all over the board again!

> > > > > > My blood work shows my thyroid levels just below the mid-

> > > range,

> > > > > with

> > > > > > TSH at .036. Still, when I felt my best, my T3 (after

> taking

> > my

> > > > > > armour) tssted at 3.7 (2.3-4.2 range). Now when I get my

> > tests

> > > I

> > > > > > consistently make sure I haven't taken my armour and it

has

> > been

> > > > > > coming in at 2.9. I wonder if I am peaking too high

during

> > the

> > > day

> > > > > > after I take my armour? I don't know how much it

affects

> > that

> > > > > > number?

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>>My AM cortisol was 20

> on a scale of 4-20. (Very high)

If this is a blood cortisol while on Isocort it is stil quite low. While on any

replacement med it SHOULD be over range. You r body doesn;t utilize exogenous

cortios liek it's own and peak levels are to be expectedin the blood. I think

yoiu are still low in cortiosl and that is where your hyper feelings are coming

from, you cannt be hyperthyroid wiht T3 that low. Your T4 is also too low. With

Graves I would think for full remission you would want your TSH close to 0.

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[Guest guest]

I have adrenal fatigue as well (I've known for yrs and have felt it

but b'c my endo only recently tested for aldosterone levels, she is

only now realizing it) and have been reading the posts from this

thread. My morning saliva panel revealed my cortisol to be low

mornings and then to vary (I couldn't afford the morn afternoon

evening panel) and I'm always tired mornings. I'm now on 60mg of

Armour after having adverse rxns to synthyroid but am wondering...I

take vit b complex and drink (occasionally) licorice tea.

Should I not being taking vit B around the time I take my armour

doses (30mg morn, 30 mg early evening)? And should I be taking

cortisol to support my Armour? As afore-mentioned my adrenal stress

(though not officially diagnosed my 20s) predates my " official "

hashi's hypo diagnosis.

> > > > my temps. Yes, they had

> > > > leveled off to the high 97's but not at 98.6 yet when I began

> > > > lowering mY Isocort. They are all over the board again!

> > > > > My blood work shows my thyroid levels just below the mid-

> > range,

> > > > with

> > > > > TSH at .036. Still, when I felt my best, my T3 (after

taking

> my

> > > > > armour) tssted at 3.7 (2.3-4.2 range). Now when I get my

> tests

> > I

> > > > > consistently make sure I haven't taken my armour and it has

> been

> > > > > coming in at 2.9. I wonder if I am peaking too high during

> the

> > day

> > > > > after I take my armour? I don't know how much it affects

> that

> > > > > number?

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I tested (saliva) high cortisol midnight and am, relatively normal during

the day.

Cytomel is calming me and making me have a little more energy.

Using it with both Seriphos and PS...

PLEASE, do saliva testing as the symptoms of both high and low can be so

similar.

kc in AZ

[Guest guest]

Val,

What would be a " TSH suppressive dose of T3 " ? I just started on Cytomel

for RT3 and I want to compare doc's dose with what you would recommend,

as above.

Thanks,

Sharon

T wrote:

> NO.. It takes a couple months on a TSH supressive dose

> of T3 to clear out RT3 and actually feel better,.

>

[Guest guest]

Val,

What would be a " TSH suppressive dose of T3 " ? I just started on Cytomel

for RT3 and I want to compare doc's dose with what you would recommend,

as above.

Thanks,

Sharon

T wrote:

> NO.. It takes a couple months on a TSH supressive dose

> of T3 to clear out RT3 and actually feel better,.

>

[Guest guest]

>>What would be a " TSH suppressive dose of T3 " ? <<

Full thyroid replacement where your TSH labs come back at .0??? Mine were .015

and all hypo symptoms are gone.

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