Guest guest Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 I've been reading Dr. Lowe's site all weekend and I noticed on his nutritional supplements list for thyroid and fibromyalgia patients he lists " evening primrose oil " flaxseed oil " and " marine oils. Seems to me I've read on this forum that evening primrose and flaxseed oils are no no's for thyroid patients? Why would Dr. Lowe include them then? He seems to be very knowledgeable in thyroid issues. Anyone have a good explanation? Or links stating that these oils are bad for us? Thanks, Naffy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 Evening primrose oil and other EFA's are good for the thyroid. EPO is especially helpful to thyroid function. Linn > > I've been reading Dr. Lowe's site all weekend and I noticed on his > nutritional supplements list for thyroid and fibromyalgia patients he > lists " evening primrose oil " flaxseed oil " and " marine oils. > > Seems to me I've read on this forum that evening primrose and flaxseed > oils are no no's for thyroid patients? Why would Dr. Lowe include them > then? He seems to be very knowledgeable in thyroid issues. > > Anyone have a good explanation? Or links stating that these oils are > bad for us? > > Thanks, > > Naffy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 Thank you LInn. Do you have links to back that up? I have heard such conflicting information, I am really confused. I have Udo's 3-6-9 Formula,(plant based) and I also have Life Extensions Omega 3's which is a marine (fish) base. Do you think it's okay to take both? Naffy > > > > I've been reading Dr. Lowe's site all weekend and I noticed on his > > nutritional supplements list for thyroid and fibromyalgia patients he > > lists " evening primrose oil " flaxseed oil " and " marine oils. > > > > Seems to me I've read on this forum that evening primrose and flaxseed > > oils are no no's for thyroid patients? Why would Dr. Lowe include them > > then? He seems to be very knowledgeable in thyroid issues. > > > > Anyone have a good explanation? Or links stating that these oils are > > bad for us? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Naffy > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 The best place to start IMO would be: http://www.westonaprice.org/knowyourfats/index.html Recommendations would all depend on your specific nutritional needs. Lots of people take certain oils on a seasonal basis. Linn > > > > > > I've been reading Dr. Lowe's site all weekend and I noticed on > his > > > nutritional supplements list for thyroid and fibromyalgia > patients he > > > lists " evening primrose oil " flaxseed oil " and " marine oils. > > > > > > Seems to me I've read on this forum that evening primrose and > flaxseed > > > oils are no no's for thyroid patients? Why would Dr. Lowe > include them > > > then? He seems to be very knowledgeable in thyroid issues. > > > > > > Anyone have a good explanation? Or links stating that these oils > are > > > bad for us? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Naffy > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 Confused here, too naffy. I've seen all sorts of conflicting info and have yet to ferret out anything very definitive. I've read in several places EPO is goitrogenic .... but I also have read M. Shomon says she's takes it... so just confused here. > > Thank you LInn. Do you have links to back that up? I have heard > such conflicting information, I am really confused. > > I have Udo's 3-6-9 Formula,(plant based) and I also have Life > Extensions Omega 3's which is a marine (fish) base. > > Do you think it's okay to take both? > > Naffy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 Coconut oil is EXCELLENT for the thyroid and metabolism, as well as other benefits. There are tons of information online about how beneficial this misunderstood oil really is. I take it and cod liver oil daily. Dove Rose ---------- My Beloved is mine and I am His. (SS. 2:16) ~ Jesus, My Eternal Passion! ~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 tHANK YOU ROSE. I take it too....I love it. I was mostly asking concerning the omega 3 oils. Some say take plant base and other say take fish base. I'm wondering if its okay to take both? Naffy > > Coconut oil is EXCELLENT for the thyroid and metabolism, as well as other benefits. There are tons of information online about how beneficial this misunderstood oil really is. I take it and cod liver oil daily. > > Dove Rose > ---------- > My Beloved is mine and I am His. (SS. 2:16) > ~ Jesus, My Eternal Passion! ~ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 The purest fish oils are Nordic Naturals and Carlsons. Both are the best to use when avoiding mercury. K > > I have Udo's 3-6-9 Formula,(plant based) and I also have Life > Extensions Omega 3's which is a marine (fish) base. > > Do you think it's okay to take both? > > Naffy > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2008 Report Share Posted March 18, 2008 I think its fine to take both to get those omaga -3's that we all need. I take coconut oil, fish oils and flax oil daily, as well as extra virgin olive oil and real butter. good fats are very important for healthy hormone production as well as general health. I have been taking flax oil for years as well as fish oils. I love them. sherie > > > > Coconut oil is EXCELLENT for the thyroid and metabolism, as well > as other benefits. There are tons of information online about how > beneficial this misunderstood oil really is. I take it and cod liver > oil daily. > > > > Dove Rose > > ---------- > > My Beloved is mine and I am His. (SS. 2:16) > > ~ Jesus, My Eternal Passion! ~ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2008 Report Share Posted March 18, 2008 Flax oil? I thought I was supposed to avoid all flax cos it's a goitrogen. Seems like many of you are taking it... Also, can those who love coconut oil give more details? What benefits are you feeling from it? Thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2008 Report Share Posted March 18, 2008 nafoel wrote: > I was mostly asking concerning the omega 3 oils. Some say take > plant base and other say take fish base. > > I'm wondering if its okay to take both? > So far as I'm aware, there is no actual danger from taking both. However, the so-called plant omega oils, need to be converted in the body into EPA and DHA. Many believe the conversions in humans are extremely inefficient. So you aren't actually getting as much " omega " oil from plant oils as advertising would have you believe. In addition the issue is complicated by the fact that in an average diet, omega 6 to omega 3 ratios are far, far too high in omega 6 oils. So since we all get a whole lot more omega 6 than is good for us, it is much better to take fish oil EPA and DHA to balance the omega 6 we already get too much of. It makes no sense at all to me to deliberately supplement more omega 6 and 9, since we already get too much. All that said, that is my opinion, but I personally can't take fish oils, not even the molecularly distilled ones due to their iodine content, unless I take an antihistamine with it. Since antihistamines have their own side effects, I'm not sure if I'm better off to do without the omegas, or with the omegas and extra antihistamine. sol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2008 Report Share Posted March 18, 2008 nafoel wrote: > I was mostly asking concerning the omega 3 oils. Some say take > plant base and other say take fish base. > > I'm wondering if its okay to take both? > So far as I'm aware, there is no actual danger from taking both. However, the so-called plant omega oils, need to be converted in the body into EPA and DHA. Many believe the conversions in humans are extremely inefficient. So you aren't actually getting as much " omega " oil from plant oils as advertising would have you believe. In addition the issue is complicated by the fact that in an average diet, omega 6 to omega 3 ratios are far, far too high in omega 6 oils. So since we all get a whole lot more omega 6 than is good for us, it is much better to take fish oil EPA and DHA to balance the omega 6 we already get too much of. It makes no sense at all to me to deliberately supplement more omega 6 and 9, since we already get too much. All that said, that is my opinion, but I personally can't take fish oils, not even the molecularly distilled ones due to their iodine content, unless I take an antihistamine with it. Since antihistamines have their own side effects, I'm not sure if I'm better off to do without the omegas, or with the omegas and extra antihistamine. sol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2008 Report Share Posted March 18, 2008 I'll be curious to hear if you find anything definitive. I've had no luck yet. > I believe this is true although I've had a hard time finding very > much information on it. > > A few sites listed it as a goitrogen and bad for Thyroid in race > horse's so I'd bet the same holds true for humans. > > I have VERY little free time but have this on my list of things to > get to the bottom of when I can find the time to do the research. > > Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2008 Report Share Posted March 18, 2008 Mark, can you describe how this feels?< when you feel you metabolism is raised> Is it different than feeling " speedy " or caffeinated....? TY! -- In NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS , " robersonm38 " wrote: > > I agree an I like to use coconut oil in the mornings as I can feel it > rasie my metabolism. I then use fish oil later in the day after > means an I also use the Neptune Krill oil. > > Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2008 Report Share Posted March 18, 2008 Thank you everyone for your answers....and thank you Sol, you are always a wealth of good information. Yes, I said the same to the salesperson regarding the omega 6's and 9's and I don't recall what she answered me, but convinced me at the time and I purchased it. Wrong decision I guess! So from what I can summise, on the one hand we have plant based omega's which don't do an optimal conversion in our bodies, plus the fact that they may be goitrogens,, or we have fish based omega's, which will give us added iodine, which some of us may not want (Hashis) Not to mention the mercury content. Did our grandparents have to worry about this? Naffy > > I was mostly asking concerning the omega 3 oils. Some say take > > plant base and other say take fish base. > > > > I'm wondering if its okay to take both? > > > So far as I'm aware, there is no actual danger from taking both. > However, the so-called plant omega oils, need to be converted in the > body into EPA and DHA. Many believe the conversions in humans are > extremely inefficient. So you aren't actually getting as much " omega " > oil from plant oils as advertising would have you believe. In addition > the issue is complicated by the fact that in an average diet, omega 6 to > omega 3 ratios are far, far too high in omega 6 oils. So since we all > get a whole lot more omega 6 than is good for us, it is much better to > take fish oil EPA and DHA to balance the omega 6 we already get too much > of. It makes no sense at all to me to deliberately supplement more omega > 6 and 9, since we already get too much. > All that said, that is my opinion, but I personally can't take fish > oils, not even the molecularly distilled ones due to their iodine > content, unless I take an antihistamine with it. Since antihistamines > have their own side effects, I'm not sure if I'm better off to do > without the omegas, or with the omegas and extra antihistamine. > sol > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2008 Report Share Posted March 18, 2008 For what it's worth, those who have flax seeds sitting around, sew a couple washcloths or hand towels together, or make a tube from one towel, fill with flax seeds and heat in microware. Yes, it's on topic cause it uses what we have so we dont' feel stressed about wasting, it helps those muscle aches from low thyroid, and it helps relax those of us who have a hard time relaxing. It's all straight seams for non sewers and yes, some of us still sew. kc in AZ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 Mark-again, I am rapidly trying to learn lots of things so cannot research everyting, BUT I was at a conference where it was mentioned in passing that flax can increase estrogen levels IN MEN. do not know where the evidence is from, but you may want to research it.?? Geri G. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 Mark, Here's another article regarding flax from a valid source, Enig, an expert of international renown in the field of lipid biochemistry. Excerpt: In the US, the earliest record in Food and Drug Administration (FDA) writings raises the question of GRAS status for flaxseed use in foods. This appears in correspondence to the FDA in 1948 when the food industry initiated an inquiry about the use of flax in cereal foods. The FDA originally declined the GRAS status request because the use of flax, as (or in) food prior to 1958, was in other countries and not in the US. In addition, the FDA indicated concern about untreated flaxseed being a source of toxic hydrocyanic acid and posted an import alert in 1978; this decision was abandoned in 1982 when the import alert was canceled and flaxseed was permitted in bread in levels of 10-12 percent. The agency stated that there was no concern that there would be " . . . any more exposure to hydrogen cyanide than from other foods such as lima beans, fava beans, chickpeas, cassava, yams, cashews or almonds. . . " 6 Researchers from two universities evaluated flaxseed powder consumption in women and reported that the lignans, which they considered as protective against certain cancers, were normally metabolized by the microflora in the gut. These researchers reported that the possible cyanide exposure from 60 grams of raw flaxseed in healthy individuals is not hazardous; further they indicated that raw flaxseed is traditionally consumed in 10-gram amounts (approximately 1 tablespoon).7 So how much flaxseed, or flaxseed oil is appropriate and unquestionably safe? The recommendation from the US government agencies is usually 2 tablespoons of flaxseed per day to supply omega-3 fatty acids for a 2000 kcal diet. (The flaxseed needs to be ground in order for the proper digestion of the seeds to take place.) Two tablespoons of flaxseed is about 20 grams of seed and since there is about 40 percent oil in the seeds and about 50-60 percent omega-3 in the oil, 20 grams of seed could provide about 8 grams of flaxseed oil and about 4 grams alpha-linolenic acid, the basic omega-3 fatty acid. Four grams of omega-3 fatty acids is about 36 calories, which is slightly more than the usual recommendation of 1.5 percent of calories for a 2000 calorie intake. The amount of flaxseed oil needed to provide this much omega-3 is about 1.5 to 2 tsp per day.8 If you are getting omega-3 fatty acids from other sources in your diet, then the recommended amount of flaxseed oil would be less. (To be continued.) For the entire article, check here: http://www.westonaprice.org/knowyourfats/flaxseed.html Linn > > Well I did a couple of hours of searching tonight and did find an awful > lot of information concerning Flax being a goitrogen and bad for > Thyroid function. > > HOWEVER most of the info is just on other forums thus unscientific. ie: > not proof > > I did read something disturbing at the MayoClinic web site which stated > flaxseeds increase blood levels of Cyanide. That supports another bit > of info I found which stated that flaxseed is a cyanogenic goitrogen. > It contains a substance that converts to thiocyanate. Thiocyanate > effectively blocks iodine concentration by the thyroid gland and thus > causes thyroid dysfunction. It also contains a phytochemical which > converts after digestion into a phytoestrogen-like substance. > > Also Flax is promoted in some Horse feeds and I found a couple of sites > which argue it shouldn't be used because it is bad for horse thyroid > function. > > I think the evidence is against Flax although I've not found concrete > evidence. > > If anyone is interested just google: " flax goitrogen thyroid health " > > One thing about this bothers me a little. I was a body builder and > used Flaxseed oil and Flaxseeds for probably 15 years prior to getting > sick with my current condition. The cause was blamed on my car > accident by my doctors but I really wonder for sure if it couldn't have > been the Flax. I'll never know for sure. > > Mark > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 -Mark, are you just eating this straight....? > Yeah I mainly noticed it when I took a tablespoon before bed which is > why I switched to taking it first thing in the morning. It just felt > like it mildly wired me a little enough to keep me from falling asleep > easily but not as if I drank coffee. Now that I've been using it for a > couple of years I don't notice anything but still won't have any at > night just in case. > > I use the Tropical Traditions brand which tastes very good. I know > there are others too. > > Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 nafoel wrote: > we have fish based omega's, > which will give us added iodine, which some of us may not want > (Hashis) Not to mention the mercury content. > > I don't think the oceans were as polluted in our grandparent's time. But if you choose a molecularly distilled fish oil omega 3 supplement, there will be no mercury. sol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 Soybean oil should be of more concern for most people. It's in almost every kind of processed food, even food most people would consider to be healthy. Soybean oil is very detrimental to the thyroid. Linn > > Oh thanks more good information. > > Makes me wonder a little that perhaps it's ok for people with normal > thyroid function but maybe not for those of us with problems. Also I > was probably using at least three tablespoons/day of the oil along > with ground seeds for many years. Maybe to much over time. > > I'm staying away from Flax just to be safe. This thing is to bad to > take chance's with. I didn't know if I was even going to make it or > not for a while. > > Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=molecularly+distilled+omega-3&btnG=Google+S\ earch sol robersonm38 wrote: > Sol I been using the Carlson's brand do you know if that one is > molecularly distilled like you mentioned below? I'll try to check on > their web site when I can. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 ConsumerLab shows the Carlson's products as approved. Interestingly, only two fish oil products failed the testing > The two products that failed the testing had the following problems: > Garden of Life® (Formulated by Dr. Jordan S. Rubin) Olde World > Icelandic Cod Liver Oil™ (Lemon Mint Flavor), a liquid product, was > spoiled — as indicated by an elevated amount of both peroxide > (indicating recent spoilage) and anisidine (indicating longer-term > spoilage). > EHP Products Salmon Oil, a soft-gel supplement, contained only 53% of > its claimed EPA. This product is sold for human use but is also > marketed for use by pets. I have always liked Carlson's brand. sol sweetwulfie wrote: > I take Carlson's Very finest Fish Oil and their Cod Liver Oil. they > are very good products. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 oops! Forgot to put this in (from ConsumerLab) > None of the [tested] products were found to contain detectable levels > of mercury [over 10 parts per billion (ppb)]. By comparison, mercury > levels in fish generally range from 10 ppb to 1,000 ppb, depending on > the fish (see What to Look for When Buying — Getting EPA and DHA from > Food for more information). In addition, none of the products > contained unsafe levels of PCBs. PCBs have been found in several fish > including farm-raised salmon. Several of the products (footnoted below > with a " † " symbol in the " Purity " column) were additionally tested for > dioxins, which can be found in some fish. However, none of these > supplements contained unsafe levels of dioxins. (See Testing Methods > and Passing Score for more information about how products were evaluated.) > > There are several possible explanations for the lack of contaminants > found in the supplements including: the use of species of fish that > are less likely to accumulate mercury; the fact that most mercury is > found in fish meat and not fish oil; and distillation processes that > can remove contaminants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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