Guest guest Posted March 18, 2008 Report Share Posted March 18, 2008 It sounds to me like hypoglycemia. Have you tried eatign protein at bedtime and stopping all carb consumption by 5PM? What wakes you wiht hypoglycemia is adrenaline, this causes the heart to oound and the veins ot feel pumped up cause they are! It also causes a release of glucagon from the liver which is wehy your body releases it. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2008 Report Share Posted March 18, 2008 I don't eat any carbs, no bread, no flour, no sugars, no processed foods, I am very strict about that. I make sure I eat protein with every meal. I even eat a spoonful of almond butter. I talked this morning to my doctor about it. He says I am slowly normalizing, since I have to slowly and gradually adjust my body. He added the cortisol and added more thyroid med, though not much. I don't get this during the day, only at night. My DHEA is 335 so I don't need any of this. > > It sounds to me like hypoglycemia. Have you tried eatign protein at > bedtime and stopping all carb consumption by 5PM? What wakes you wiht > hypoglycemia is adrenaline, this causes the heart to oound and the veins > ot feel pumped up cause they are! It also causes a release of glucagon > from the liver which is wehy your body releases it. > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2008 Report Share Posted March 18, 2008 > > When I go to bed my heart is calm and I can manage to sleep for a few > hours. Then like often, I wake up and my heart races and my veins on > my arms always bulge. I do not get this during the day. > > I am not sure what is going on here. I am taking Isocort, two pellets > in the morning, and on nature-thyroid 1/2 plus 1/4 grain, which I also > take in the morning. During the day I feel fine. At night, different > story. I find when it acts this way I wake up more tired than normal. > > Sometimes I think if it is the thyroid hormones kicking in when my > cortisol levels are high at night. > > - > Hi It sounds like it could be adrenaline kicking in, maybe your body is sensitive to your blood sugar dropping. Do you have a low carb snack and protein before going to bed cos I find that this helps? Pam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2008 Report Share Posted March 18, 2008 I typically eat a big dinner and don't feel hungry when I go to bed. I tried to eat a piece of bread with almond butter (can't have peanuts), but bread, anykind, makes me sleepy. I wonder if I need to have licorice with my meals to control it? > > > > When I go to bed my heart is calm and I can manage to sleep for a > few > > hours. Then like often, I wake up and my heart races and my veins > on > > my arms always bulge. I do not get this during the day. > > > > I am not sure what is going on here. I am taking Isocort, two > pellets > > in the morning, and on nature-thyroid 1/2 plus 1/4 grain, which I > also > > take in the morning. During the day I feel fine. At night, > different > > story. I find when it acts this way I wake up more tired than > normal. > > > > Sometimes I think if it is the thyroid hormones kicking in when my > > cortisol levels are high at night. > > > > - > > > Hi > > It sounds like it could be adrenaline kicking in, maybe your body is > sensitive to your blood sugar dropping. Do you have a low carb snack > and protein before going to bed cos I find that this helps? > > Pam > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 It is because my corisol level is high at night, when it should be low. It has nothing to do with my blood sugar. Last night I did a test. I took licorice root before my meal. The meal I ate does not bother my blood sugar, in fact the meals I eat at night, are the same I eat during the day and they never cause me blood sugar problems. I have been very careful with that. Last night my heart raced like crazy, worse than the other night. It was high enough to get my thyroid meds into my cells giving me sudden surge. Then to get the heart to stop racing I had to lower my cortisol. So I used the herb Ashwagandha which will do that. Then my heart slowed down to normal and I slept like a baby. This morning, I have wonderful energy. If it was sugar issues, I would be tired in the morning because I know what they do and I know what foods to avoid. I just love Ashwagandha! > > When I go to bed my heart is calm and I can manage to sleep for a few > hours. Then like often, I wake up and my heart races and my veins on > my arms always bulge. I do not get this during the day. > > I am not sure what is going on here. I am taking Isocort, two pellets > in the morning, and on nature-thyroid 1/2 plus 1/4 grain, which I also > take in the morning. During the day I feel fine. At night, different > story. I find when it acts this way I wake up more tired than normal. > > Sometimes I think if it is the thyroid hormones kicking in when my > cortisol levels are high at night. > > - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 Ashwaghanda lowers cortisol? Says who? I thought it extended the LIFE of the cortisol we have. And I thought it was an adaptogen....works on those with LOW cortisol? > > > > When I go to bed my heart is calm and I can manage to sleep for a > few > > hours. Then like often, I wake up and my heart races and my veins > on > > my arms always bulge. I do not get this during the day. > > > > I am not sure what is going on here. I am taking Isocort, two > pellets > > in the morning, and on nature-thyroid 1/2 plus 1/4 grain, which I > also > > take in the morning. During the day I feel fine. At night, > different > > story. I find when it acts this way I wake up more tired than > normal. > > > > Sometimes I think if it is the thyroid hormones kicking in when my > > cortisol levels are high at night. > > > > - > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 Modern herbalists classify Ashwagandha as an adaptogen. It adapts, not only can it get you energy, it can also sedate you. So, I used it to adapt my levels and I went to sleep. Rhodiola is also good, I have that too. When I take too much it will sedate me. > > > > > > When I go to bed my heart is calm and I can manage to sleep for > a > > few > > > hours. Then like often, I wake up and my heart races and my > veins > > on > > > my arms always bulge. I do not get this during the day. > > > > > > I am not sure what is going on here. I am taking Isocort, two > > pellets > > > in the morning, and on nature-thyroid 1/2 plus 1/4 grain, which > I > > also > > > take in the morning. During the day I feel fine. At night, > > different > > > story. I find when it acts this way I wake up more tired than > > normal. > > > > > > Sometimes I think if it is the thyroid hormones kicking in when > my > > > cortisol levels are high at night. > > > > > > - > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 Google Ashwagandha and cortisol. Why I slept, I used it to reduce my cortisol and I slept like a baby. Ashwagandha works in the treatment of stress by directly opposing the reaction of stress as it reduces the amount of cortisol released by the adrenal glands. Long term production of cortisol has adverse effects on our health including: high blood pressure, stomach ulcers, immune depression and insomnia. This delay in the release of cortisol levels prevents the negative effects of long-term cortisol production on the body and prevents the adrenals from becoming exhausted, a direct anti-stress effect which has been reported by many researchers. Ashwagandha also has a sedative effect which counteracts the adrenaline-fueled anxiety that accompanies stressful lifestyles, and has often been used to treat primary anxiety states. If your sleep is disturbed, this sedative effect can be used to encourage restful sleep, again helping the body to recover from the effects of stress. It has been found that Ashwagandha increases the number of immune cells known as T cells and B cells, helping to fight infections. Furthermore, it prevents stress-related gastrointestinal ulcers as well as the depletion of vitamin C, increases red blood cell counts, endurance, stamina and lean weight, and improves hemoglobin levels and aging parameters such as graying hair, calcium levels, increased libido and sexual function. All these actions directly oppose the effects of stress. > > > > > > > > When I go to bed my heart is calm and I can manage to sleep for > > a > > > few > > > > hours. Then like often, I wake up and my heart races and my > > veins > > > on > > > > my arms always bulge. I do not get this during the day. > > > > > > > > I am not sure what is going on here. I am taking Isocort, two > > > pellets > > > > in the morning, and on nature-thyroid 1/2 plus 1/4 grain, which > > I > > > also > > > > take in the morning. During the day I feel fine. At night, > > > different > > > > story. I find when it acts this way I wake up more tired than > > > normal. > > > > > > > > Sometimes I think if it is the thyroid hormones kicking in when > > my > > > > cortisol levels are high at night. > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 How much Ashwagandha do you take at night? My ND has me on a cortisol manager at night that has a blend of Ashwagandha, magnolia and Phosphatidilserine. but i think they are rather low levels. so I just wondered how much. One reason i was afraid to do something like Ashwagandha or Phosphatidilserine w/o supervision of an ND was because i wasn't sure how much i should lower coritsol at night. The night coritsol level confuses me most about adrenal fatigue. for example, my overal cortisol is low. Per saliva test, the rhythem is right (high a.m. and low at night) however, overall its low. but my symptoms always seemed either a nighttime level of low cortisol or super high cortisol because my symptoms are first: insomnia, and if its really bad, its preceded by body shakes/jitters (like pots of caffeine only i do no caffeine or sugar)... but only at night (and on rare occasion during the day)...but mostly at night. so i couldn't figure out if my cortisol completely crashed at night causing some sort of adrenaline high from anxiety or just no cortisol...or if my cortisol was just high to cause all of this. And almost always, before starting my isocort / adrenal repair work, exercise at any level (low or medium), at any time of day (early or late) caused the body shakes/jitters and insomnia at night. I'm going to my ND today anyway, but would be curious to hear what others think. oddly enough, after a few weeks of sleeping w/klonopin, i had another insomnia episode last night (even w/klonopin), but this time, i was only awake and not shaking. My body didn't feel like it needed to move like it does when i usually have insomnia. I wonder if i'm " retracing " my symptoms on the way to healing. > > > > > > > > > > When I go to bed my heart is calm and I can manage to sleep > for > > > a > > > > few > > > > > hours. Then like often, I wake up and my heart races and my > > > veins > > > > on > > > > > my arms always bulge. I do not get this during the day. > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure what is going on here. I am taking Isocort, > two > > > > pellets > > > > > in the morning, and on nature-thyroid 1/2 plus 1/4 grain, > which > > > I > > > > also > > > > > take in the morning. During the day I feel fine. At night, > > > > different > > > > > story. I find when it acts this way I wake up more tired > than > > > > normal. > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes I think if it is the thyroid hormones kicking in > when > > > my > > > > > cortisol levels are high at night. > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 How much Ashwagandha do you take at night? My ND has me on a cortisol manager at night that has a blend of Ashwagandha, magnolia and Phosphatidilserine. but i think they are rather low levels. so I just wondered how much. One reason i was afraid to do something like Ashwagandha or Phosphatidilserine w/o supervision of an ND was because i wasn't sure how much i should lower coritsol at night. The night coritsol level confuses me most about adrenal fatigue. for example, my overal cortisol is low. Per saliva test, the rhythem is right (high a.m. and low at night) however, overall its low. but my symptoms always seemed either a nighttime level of low cortisol or super high cortisol because my symptoms are first: insomnia, and if its really bad, its preceded by body shakes/jitters (like pots of caffeine only i do no caffeine or sugar)... but only at night (and on rare occasion during the day)...but mostly at night. so i couldn't figure out if my cortisol completely crashed at night causing some sort of adrenaline high from anxiety or just no cortisol...or if my cortisol was just high to cause all of this. And almost always, before starting my isocort / adrenal repair work, exercise at any level (low or medium), at any time of day (early or late) caused the body shakes/jitters and insomnia at night. I'm going to my ND today anyway, but would be curious to hear what others think. oddly enough, after a few weeks of sleeping w/klonopin, i had another insomnia episode last night (even w/klonopin), but this time, i was only awake and not shaking. My body didn't feel like it needed to move like it does when i usually have insomnia. I wonder if i'm " retracing " my symptoms on the way to healing. > > > > > > > > > > When I go to bed my heart is calm and I can manage to sleep > for > > > a > > > > few > > > > > hours. Then like often, I wake up and my heart races and my > > > veins > > > > on > > > > > my arms always bulge. I do not get this during the day. > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure what is going on here. I am taking Isocort, > two > > > > pellets > > > > > in the morning, and on nature-thyroid 1/2 plus 1/4 grain, > which > > > I > > > > also > > > > > take in the morning. During the day I feel fine. At night, > > > > different > > > > > story. I find when it acts this way I wake up more tired > than > > > > normal. > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes I think if it is the thyroid hormones kicking in > when > > > my > > > > > cortisol levels are high at night. > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 I use Herb Pharm tincture extract. Here is a pic of it: http://www.smartbomb.com/090700000059.html I had some in my cabinet and when I had that attack I remembered having it and decided to test it. I took a dropperful, probably 25 drops of it in about 1/2 cup of water and gulped it down. I went back to bed and I remember falling asleep and I felt wonderful in the morning. I have read the tinctures are better to use than pills and you have better control of how much you want to use. I decided that night, to take a dropperful. I am thinking to start using it at night, same amount and see how it makes me feel. I also have been reading about this: Chyawanprash Pronounced CHA-WON- PROSH is a traditional Ayurvedic herbal jam used for stress. Interesting history and it has Ashwagandha in it. http://tattvasherbs.com/herbsinfo.htm http://www.tattvasherbs.com/aboutayurveda.htm - > > > > > > > > > > > > When I go to bed my heart is calm and I can manage to sleep > > for > > > > a > > > > > few > > > > > > hours. Then like often, I wake up and my heart races and > my > > > > veins > > > > > on > > > > > > my arms always bulge. I do not get this during the day. > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure what is going on here. I am taking Isocort, > > two > > > > > pellets > > > > > > in the morning, and on nature-thyroid 1/2 plus 1/4 grain, > > which > > > > I > > > > > also > > > > > > take in the morning. During the day I feel fine. At > night, > > > > > different > > > > > > story. I find when it acts this way I wake up more tired > > than > > > > > normal. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes I think if it is the thyroid hormones kicking in > > when > > > > my > > > > > > cortisol levels are high at night. > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 " wild.dingo " wrote: > i wasn't sure > how much i should lower coritsol at night. my overal cortisol is low. Per saliva test, the rhythem > is right (high a.m. and low at night) however, overall its low. but > my symptoms always seemed either a nighttime level of low cortisol or > super high cortisol because my symptoms are first: insomnia, and if > its really bad, its preceded by body shakes/jitters (like pots of > caffeine only i do no caffeine or sugar)... but only at night (and on rare occasion during the day)...but mostly at night. This shaking is a low cortisol symptom. I call it vibrating and it's most annoying when trying to sleep, especially at night. A little bit of HC cream usually helps stop the shakes. > exercise at any > level (low or medium), at any time of day (early or late) caused the body shakes/jitters and insomnia at night. Anytime you exercise, you are stressing your body and using up what little cortisol levels you have. This would lead to even lower cortisol at night and cause the insomnia. If your adrenals are really bad, you should NOT be exercising, but just taking it easy for awhile. When I was really bad, a walk around the block was too much. But I was able to keep up with my slow yoga stretches, so that was better than nothing. Barb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 " lynnkrt2 " wrote: > This is the first time I have heard anyone else say they were VIBRATING. > That is what I feel like most of the time now. It's like the shakes but > only on the inside not the outside. Is this what you experience? First time I noticed it was when I laid down for a nap and thought the bed was vibrating, but since I don't have anything attached to the bed, figured it was me. I've read it's a low cortisol/hypoglycemic thing, because many hypoglycemics describe this symptom. > I thought it was related to high blood pressure. Or being caused by the > cortisol I am taking. So this is very interesting. I get this > vibrating on and off during the day... usually not so bad when I first > wake up, and usually begin after I eat. I take the cortisol with meals. Well, my BP and pulse are still on the high side (anyone got ideas what's causing that?), but I don't feel the full vibration anymore after raising thyroid closer to optimal. Do have occasional buzzing in the foot, and DH complains of occasional tingles in his fingers. After discussion, we concluded that vibrating, buzzing, and tingling are 3 different things LOL! I never had any of this till my adrenals crashed, so it must be cortisol related. I think tingles and buzzing might be from too high sugar, and vibrating is somehow related to cortisol. > Do you think this could mean I am not getting enough cortisol? I am > taking 10-5-5. Have not been taking a night dose because the cortisol test showed that I am high at night. I would use Dr. Rind's temp graph to figure if you're on enough cortisol. Do you sleep through the night okay? Once you supplement cortisol, you don't have to worry about your previous rhythm, because you've now changed it with your dosing. If you have problems sleeping, you might change your dose to 7.5-5-5-2.5. Barb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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