Guest guest Posted March 26, 2008 Report Share Posted March 26, 2008 Hi There, I'm new to this forum but have been active with the real thyroid help forum and have read and re-read the STTM website. To try to make this a brief as possible I'm looking for help and not sure which direction to go. I started HC 2 months ago and its been a REAL miracle in my life so many symptoms relieved. I'm on 30mgHC, 3/4g Naturethryoid, 2 tsp sea salt, my temps have stabalized around 98.5. But I still have symptoms of excellerated heart rate, shaky, nervous, feeling of uneasyness, some depression, difficulty being around groups of people ect... difficulty at certain times during my cycle like ovulation. I always seem to feel better when I increase HC but am afraid being on too high a dose or from what I read sometimes its better to take florinef with a reduced dosage of HC. So I recently had Aldosterone and Renin tested: Aldosterone 13.6 Upright 4.0-31.0 Renin 1.13 Upright 1.31-3.95 Sodium has tested at 139 on my chem panels last 3-4 years. I'm wondering if I need to go up on HC or if I need Florinef. I don't think my body wants any more thyroid because I get hyper symptoms if I go up from 3/4g and my temps are up. I asked my Dr. about taking Florinef she doesn't want to give it to me. She says I need to give my adrenals TIME to heal. Feeling discouraged. If there's a way to relieve these lingering symptoms I like to. Thank you for any input or suggestions. Blessings Debbie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2008 Report Share Posted March 26, 2008 With sodium at 139 and aldosterone mid range, did you fast salt for 48 hours before the test? If nto you defintiely need Florinef if you did then you may just need a BIT of it say 1/4 tab. I think before going higher wiht HC it would be worth a try. How long have you beenon 30MG? It DOES take some time to build up adrnela reserves once reaching a good dose of HC. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2008 Report Share Posted March 26, 2008 > > With sodium at 139 and aldosterone mid range, did you fast salt for 48 > hours before the test? If nto you defintiely need Florinef if you did > then you may just need a BIT of it say 1/4 tab. I think before going > higher wiht HC it would be worth a try. How long have you beenon 30MG? > It DOES take some time to build up adrnela reserves once reaching a good > dose of HC. > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ > Thank you for responding . I did a 24hr salt fast and I've been on HC 30mg about 3 weeks and have stressed dosed 1-3 times a week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2008 Report Share Posted March 27, 2008 > > Hi There, > I'm new to this forum but have been active with the real thyroid help forum and have read > and re-read the STTM website. > To try to make this a brief as possible I'm looking for help and not sure which direction to > go. > I started HC 2 months ago and its been a REAL miracle in my life so many symptoms > relieved. > I'm on 30mgHC, 3/4g Naturethryoid, 2 tsp sea salt, my temps have stabalized around > 98.5. But I still have symptoms of excellerated heart rate, shaky, nervous, feeling of > uneasyness, some depression, difficulty being around groups of people ect... difficulty at > certain times during my cycle like ovulation. > I always seem to feel better when I increase HC but am afraid being on too high a dose or > from what I read sometimes its better to take florinef with a reduced dosage of HC. > So I recently had Aldosterone and Renin tested: > > Aldosterone 13.6 Upright 4.0-31.0 > Renin 1.13 Upright 1.31-3.95 > > Sodium has tested at 139 on my chem panels last 3-4 years. > > I'm wondering if I need to go up on HC or if I need Florinef. I don't think my body wants > any more thyroid because I get hyper symptoms if I go up from 3/4g and my temps are > up. > I asked my Dr. about taking Florinef she doesn't want to give it to me. She says I need to > give my adrenals TIME to heal. Feeling discouraged. If there's a way to relieve these > lingering symptoms I like to. > Thank you for any input or suggestions. > Blessings > Debbie > Hi Val, I sure don't want to overwhelm you with questions but I have several I'm really hoping you can help me with. Regarding the post from a few days ago I've been on HC 30mg for 3+ weeks now to answer your question. I mentioned above I was on a salt fast for 24 hours for the aldosterone and renin test but the sodium test was taken a few months ago without a salt fast @ 139 and has always been that on my chem panels for 3 years. I'm assuming your suggesting very small dose of florinef 1/4 tab. Can't get if from doc. Can I get a reference or list from you. Renin question: does 1.13 mean hypopituitary? other forum says this is way low. My blood pressure ranges from 94/60 to 112/74 is the indicative of aldosterone deficeincy too? I've been having alot of irritability lately mostly in the 2nd half of my cycle. I've been stress dosing for this since my tolerance is level is so low at these times. Can HC help this or could it be causing it? Or I'm thinking it may be low progesterone - which in that case is it advisable to use progesterone while treating the adrenals? And lastly are there books I can read to help answer questions about the recovery process of adrenal fatigue. I'm trying to read as many posts and responses to educate myself. I feel bad bombarding the moderators with so many questions? Just trying to FELL BETTER! Thanks for answering any questions you can. So much appreciated :-) Debbie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2008 Report Share Posted March 28, 2008 Low reniin wiht low Adlosterone does indicate a pituitary problem. But I would have other testing done to confirm it as just that system may be not functioning well. Low TSH with low thyroid hormones is another indicator. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2008 Report Share Posted March 30, 2008 Val, Do you mean having low tsh with low thyroid hormones before taking armour could indicate a pituitary problem? I was 1.5 gr of naturthroid and my tsh was suppressed but ft3 is below range and ft4 is midrange...i cant handle more armour without getting jittery but am still having bad hypo symptoms. I am going o do another saliva test....I did one last summer that wasnt too bad ....but I no longer can handle armour and my hypo is getting worse so I dont know what the problem is. -------------- Original message -------------- Low reniin wiht low Adlosterone does indicate a pituitary problem. But I would have other testing done to confirm it as just that system may be not functioning well. Low TSH with low thyroid hormones is another indicator. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 Yes a low TSH and low Free Thyroid levels can indicate a pituitary problem. Your symptoms sound low cortisol. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 Val, So are you saying if one takes a low dose of armour 1gr-1 1/2 gr and your tsh is suppressed but t3 is still low that could be low cortisol? Would I be better off getting off armour for a while so my tsh comes up? I did a saliva last summer that didnt come back that bad. I'm doing a zrt test today to see what happens. I'm very lost as to what to do at this point. I dont know if I would even have the guts to try cortef....after switching to armour almost 2yrs ago I am worse off than when I was on synthroid. I read all the problems people have trying to stabalize on the cortef and armour and I dont know if I have it in me at this point. -------------- Original message -------------- Yes a low TSH and low Free Thyroid levels can indicate a pituitary problem. Your symptoms sound low cortisol. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 >>So are you saying if one takes a low dose of armour 1gr-1 1/2 gr and your tsh is suppressed but t3 is still low that could be low cortisol? << NO! Up to 3-4 grains low T3 is NORMAL. Most people need 3-5 grains a day to feel well, and when they feel well T3 will be top of range to slightly over. If at 1-1.5 grins T3 is HIGH is would indicate low cortisl as it is sitting in the blood and nbot getting to the cells. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 Well at 1.5gr I have suppressed tsh, below normal ft3 and midrange ft4 but I cant seem to handle more armour without getting jittery. Last summer I worked up to 2 3/4 gr and got hyper I felt better when I dropped to 2gr then 1 but now cant raise without getting jittery but I still have hypo symptoms..in Feb my eyebrows started shedding this was the final blow since more than 1/2 hair is gone. For the record I did a diagnostech saliva last summer that wasnt horrible. I'm doing a zrt today in hopes to reveal something different that might explain why thyroid meds arent working. I even tried going back to synthroid and felt horrible. Any other suggestions? Thanks -------------- Original message -------------- >>So are you saying if one takes a low dose of armour 1gr-1 1/2 gr and your tsh is suppressed but t3 is still low that could be low cortisol? << NO! Up to 3-4 grains low T3 is NORMAL. Most people need 3-5 grains a day to feel well, and when they feel well T3 will be top of range to slightly over. If at 1-1.5 grins T3 is HIGH is would indicate low cortisl as it is sitting in the blood and nbot getting to the cells. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 Yes get Ferritin tested a well. This sounds either low cortisol or low ferritin or both. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 My ferritin last checked was 51...it might not be great but its not horrible either and I am still supplementing with iron. -------------- Original message -------------- Yes get Ferritin tested a well. This sounds either low cortisol or low ferritin or both. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 Then I think you need to wit to see what your cortiosl labs look like. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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