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Hi There,

I'm new to this forum but have been active with the real thyroid help forum and

have read

and re-read the STTM website.

To try to make this a brief as possible I'm looking for help and not sure which

direction to

go.

I started HC 2 months ago and its been a REAL miracle in my life so many

symptoms

relieved.

I'm on 30mgHC, 3/4g Naturethryoid, 2 tsp sea salt, my temps have stabalized

around

98.5. But I still have symptoms of excellerated heart rate, shaky, nervous,

feeling of

uneasyness, some depression, difficulty being around groups of people ect...

difficulty at

certain times during my cycle like ovulation.

I always seem to feel better when I increase HC but am afraid being on too high

a dose or

from what I read sometimes its better to take florinef with a reduced dosage of

HC.

So I recently had Aldosterone and Renin tested:

Aldosterone 13.6 Upright 4.0-31.0

Renin 1.13 Upright 1.31-3.95

Sodium has tested at 139 on my chem panels last 3-4 years.

I'm wondering if I need to go up on HC or if I need Florinef. I don't think my

body wants

any more thyroid because I get hyper symptoms if I go up from 3/4g and my temps

are

up.

I asked my Dr. about taking Florinef she doesn't want to give it to me. She

says I need to

give my adrenals TIME to heal. Feeling discouraged. If there's a way to

relieve these

lingering symptoms I like to.

Thank you for any input or suggestions.

Blessings

Debbie

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With sodium at 139 and aldosterone mid range, did you fast salt for 48

hours before the test? If nto you defintiely need Florinef if you did

then you may just need a BIT of it say 1/4 tab. I think before going

higher wiht HC it would be worth a try. How long have you beenon 30MG?

It DOES take some time to build up adrnela reserves once reaching a good

dose of HC.

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> With sodium at 139 and aldosterone mid range, did you fast salt for 48

> hours before the test? If nto you defintiely need Florinef if you did

> then you may just need a BIT of it say 1/4 tab. I think before going

> higher wiht HC it would be worth a try. How long have you beenon 30MG?

> It DOES take some time to build up adrnela reserves once reaching a good

> dose of HC.

>

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Thank you for responding . I did a 24hr salt fast and I've been on HC

30mg about 3

weeks and have stressed dosed 1-3 times a week.

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> Hi There,

> I'm new to this forum but have been active with the real thyroid help forum

and have

read

> and re-read the STTM website.

> To try to make this a brief as possible I'm looking for help and not sure

which direction

to

> go.

> I started HC 2 months ago and its been a REAL miracle in my life so many

symptoms

> relieved.

> I'm on 30mgHC, 3/4g Naturethryoid, 2 tsp sea salt, my temps have stabalized

around

> 98.5. But I still have symptoms of excellerated heart rate, shaky, nervous,

feeling of

> uneasyness, some depression, difficulty being around groups of people ect...

difficulty

at

> certain times during my cycle like ovulation.

> I always seem to feel better when I increase HC but am afraid being on too

high a dose

or

> from what I read sometimes its better to take florinef with a reduced dosage

of HC.

> So I recently had Aldosterone and Renin tested:

>

> Aldosterone 13.6 Upright 4.0-31.0

> Renin 1.13 Upright 1.31-3.95

>

> Sodium has tested at 139 on my chem panels last 3-4 years.

>

> I'm wondering if I need to go up on HC or if I need Florinef. I don't think

my body wants

> any more thyroid because I get hyper symptoms if I go up from 3/4g and my

temps are

> up.

> I asked my Dr. about taking Florinef she doesn't want to give it to me. She

says I need

to

> give my adrenals TIME to heal. Feeling discouraged. If there's a way to

relieve these

> lingering symptoms I like to.

> Thank you for any input or suggestions.

> Blessings

> Debbie

>

Hi Val, I sure don't want to overwhelm you with questions but I have several I'm

really

hoping you can help me with.

Regarding the post from a few days ago I've been on HC 30mg for 3+ weeks now to

answer your question. I mentioned above I was on a salt fast for 24 hours for

the

aldosterone and renin test but the sodium test was taken a few months ago

without a salt

fast @ 139 and has always been that on my chem panels for 3 years.

I'm assuming your suggesting very small dose of florinef 1/4 tab.

Can't get if from doc. Can I get a reference or list from you.

Renin question: does 1.13 mean hypopituitary? other forum says this is way

low.

My blood pressure ranges from 94/60 to 112/74 is the indicative of aldosterone

deficeincy too?

I've been having alot of irritability lately mostly in the 2nd half of my cycle.

I've been

stress dosing for this since my tolerance is level is so low at these times.

Can HC help this

or could it be causing it? Or I'm thinking it may be low progesterone - which

in that case

is it advisable to use progesterone while treating the adrenals?

And lastly are there books I can read to help answer questions about the

recovery process

of adrenal fatigue. I'm trying to read as many posts and responses to educate

myself.

I feel bad bombarding the moderators with so many questions? Just trying to

FELL BETTER!

Thanks for answering any questions you can. So much appreciated :-)

Debbie

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Low reniin wiht low Adlosterone does indicate a pituitary problem. But I

would have other testing done to confirm it as just that system may be

not functioning well. Low TSH with low thyroid hormones is another

indicator.

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Val,

Do you mean having low tsh with low thyroid hormones before taking armour could

indicate a pituitary problem? I was 1.5 gr of naturthroid and my tsh was

suppressed but ft3 is below range and ft4 is midrange...i cant handle more

armour without getting jittery but am still having bad hypo symptoms.

I am going o do another saliva test....I did one last summer that wasnt too bad

....but I no longer can handle armour and my hypo is getting worse so I dont know

what the problem is.

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Low reniin wiht low Adlosterone does indicate a pituitary problem. But I

would have other testing done to confirm it as just that system may be

not functioning well. Low TSH with low thyroid hormones is another

indicator.

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Val,

So are you saying if one takes a low dose of armour 1gr-1 1/2 gr and your tsh is

suppressed but t3 is still low that could be low cortisol? Would I be better off

getting off armour for a while so my tsh comes up? I did a saliva last summer

that didnt come back that bad. I'm doing a zrt test today to see what happens.

I'm very lost as to what to do at this point. I dont know if I would even have

the guts to try cortef....after switching to armour almost 2yrs ago I am worse

off than when I was on synthroid.

I read all the problems people have trying to stabalize on the cortef and armour

and I dont know if I have it in me at this point.

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Yes a low TSH and low Free Thyroid levels can indicate a pituitary

problem. Your symptoms sound low cortisol.

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>>So are you saying if one takes a low dose of armour 1gr-1 1/2 gr and your tsh

is suppressed but t3 is still low that could be low cortisol? <<

NO! Up to 3-4 grains low T3 is NORMAL. Most people need 3-5 grains a day to feel

well, and when they feel well T3 will be top of range to slightly over. If at

1-1.5 grins T3 is HIGH is would indicate low cortisl as it is sitting in the

blood and nbot getting to the cells.

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Well at 1.5gr I have suppressed tsh, below normal ft3 and midrange ft4 but I

cant seem to handle more armour without getting jittery. Last summer I worked

up to 2 3/4 gr and got hyper I felt better when I dropped to 2gr then 1 but now

cant raise without getting jittery but I still have hypo symptoms..in Feb my

eyebrows started shedding this was the final blow since more than 1/2 hair is

gone. For the record I did a diagnostech saliva last summer that wasnt horrible.

I'm doing a zrt today in hopes to reveal something different that might explain

why thyroid meds arent working. I even tried going back to synthroid and felt

horrible. Any other suggestions?

Thanks

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>>So are you saying if one takes a low dose of armour 1gr-1 1/2 gr and your tsh

is suppressed but t3 is still low that could be low cortisol? <<

NO! Up to 3-4 grains low T3 is NORMAL. Most people need 3-5 grains a day to feel

well, and when they feel well T3 will be top of range to slightly over. If at

1-1.5 grins T3 is HIGH is would indicate low cortisl as it is sitting in the

blood and nbot getting to the cells.

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http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

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My ferritin last checked was 51...it might not be great but its not horrible

either and I am still supplementing with iron.

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Yes get Ferritin tested a well. This sounds either low cortisol or low

ferritin or both.

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