Re: Woo Hoo!! 3 Grains! (and a question)

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are you sure about that only on day 2 and 3 of your period.....where did you

get that info....val v.

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l have had alot of dose changes and l never noticed anything till the 8 week

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As 3 grains is the bottom of what most people need and some need as much

as 5 grains and a very few even more, I do nto wait over 4 weeks to up

doses. If you are feeling hypo at 3-4 weeks especially feeling worse,

something is needed. How are your adrneals in all this? You are

mentioning sym,ptoms that could be from the armour not reaching the

cells properly.

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well...my doc had me quit the t4 one day and start with armour the

next....so l did one grain for 2 weeks...then 2 grains for 2 weeks and then

moved onto

3 grains....at week 2 l was literally sobbing at my kitchen table.....so

depressed....l more than likely had nothing in my system at this time as the t4

l was on was at half and the t4 in armour hadnt built up to anything

yet.....by week 4 l started with 3 grains....maybe by week 4 of 3 grains l felt

slightly better....but there was a noticeable kick in at almost exactly 8

weeks...l took a once daily dose in the am.....he didnt even test me for 6

months...he said armour builds up really slowly....he was right....by 6 months

my labs

didnt look too much different than when l was on 88 mcgs of t4 except l had

extra t3 in my system....which is why l believe we dont get 38 of t4 per one

grain...and l have read that 3.8 of armour is really equal to 3

grains....meaning you will get ll2 of t4 for real with 3.8 not 3...l firmly

believe

that...thats why we need to take more than they say we need....its more like 30

or

32ish when you compare the labs....at 88 of t4 l wasnt on enough and l still

wasnt at 3 grains.....but l stayed there and suffered for over a year.....till

l started adding in t4 and then more armour....lm presently on armour only

at 5+ grains....this is where l feel my best....l think t4 is just as

important as t3....we need ample amounts of both.....lm sure my t3 is over the

top...it always will be if lm getting enough t4 in my armour....its

fine...doesnt

seem to bother me.....if you splitting up your armour your probably getting a

bit less as there is food in the system....no matter how you take it it still

winds up with some down the hatch....meaning you will wind up on even

more.....l gained weight immediately when l split up my 3 grains of

armour....l0

lbs....which l think proves my point....l was a steady l32 on 3 grains as a

once daily dose....but l read that people split their doses....and climbed up

to

almost l50 within 6 weeks.....l take 3 grains every morning and more

later.....that was the ticket for me....not taking barely enough and splitting

it...but hey....its a learning process.....l think with splitting it you wont

notice a big kick at 8 weeks cause it still wont be enough...but you will find

your dose....l dont take it sublingually either...l chew it till its dissolved

and just swallow it....l think its about the same...l have tried all 3

methods and this one is by far the best for me.....l work full time as a hospice

RN...l can do 2 miles every other day and l feel fine....and l have started with

losing a few lbs again.....so its working....l have been at this dose about

3 months now...l was at a higher dose and it was too much......l think alot

of us have the opinion...if something is good than more of it would be

better....but thats not the way it always goes with thyroid meds......now if

its

chocolate...than it is.....Val V.

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>>As 3 grains is the bottom of what most people need and some need as

much as 5 grains and a very few even more, I do nto wait over 4 weeks

to up doses.<<

Thanks for your thoughts on this. I have pretty much decided to

continue my weekly 1/4 grain raises (at least until I get to 3.5

grains)...especially since I really do feel SO SO SO hypoT right now! I

don't think I can handle feeling worse than I do.

>>If you are feeling hypo at 3-4 weeks especially feeling worse,

something is needed.<<

So are you saying that, even though I feel pretty bad now, don't do

anything till I gauge how I am feeling 3-4 weeks after this last raise

to 3 grains? What are some things that could be needed?

>>How are your adrneals in all this? You are mentioning sym,ptoms that

could be from the armour not reaching the cells properly.<<

I can only say what my saliva results were back in January, as far as

any certainty about how my adrenals are. Looking at symptoms for both

high and low cortisol, I think I am a closer fit to the high symtpoms.

And what you say about the Armour not reaching the cells really strikes

me as possible. That is where my question about phosphytidalserine came

from. I am taking ashwaganda and rhodiola, per your suggestion to me a

few weeks back, but have noticed nothing....and I am almost done with

my first bottle of each! Does that say anything?

Thanks!

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It takes at least 2-3 weeks for T4 to buid up in you system and then to

convert to the active T3. You could easily pass your sweet spot and go

form hypo to hyper which, BTW, feel s almost the same! Tired, achy and

heart palsp are identical from hypo and hyper. So passing the sweet spot

can be very hard to detect if you raise too quiickly.

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Looking at symptoms for both high and low cortisol, I think I am a

closer fit to the high symtpoms. And what you say about the Armour not

reaching the cells really strikes me as possible. That is where my

question about phosphytidalserine came from. I am taking ashwaganda and

rhodiola, per your suggestion to me a few weeks back, but have noticed

nothing....and I am almost done with my first bottle of each! Does that

say anything? (I am SO confused!! And trying to decide if I should

order more ashwaganda and rhodiola....actually am bawling as I type

this. SO overwhelmed and confused that I just want to curl up and give

up trying to figure this crap out!!!!!)

[Guest guest]

Can you repost your cortisol labs?

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Jan, 2008

Free Cortisol Rhythm

7:00-8:00am 26 Elevated 13-24nM

11:00-Noon 6 Normal 5-10nM

4:00-5:00pm 4 Normal 3-8nM

11:00-Midnight 2 Normal 1-4nM

Cortisol Burden 38 23-42

DHEA 7 Normal Adults (M/F):3-10ng/ml

[Guest guest]

Have you tried Licorice root abotu 9-10 AM? You are more likely ot have

LOW cortisol symptoms with your labs. Low cortisl causes the thyroid to

not be taken up by the cells.

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I have not taken licorice...mostly because I am on high blood pressure

meds and I have read that licorice adversely affects blood pressure.

So, if I am more likely to have low cortisol, what is up with the

weight gain? (20-25lbs in 2 months) Is that, then, a severe hypoT

symptom due to the thyroid not being able to get into the cells? How do

people with mildly low cortisol get their bodies to be able to use the

thyroid hormone?

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Passing the sweet spot should be a concern for everyone who's raising,

because I see it happen so often. DH is at 3.25 grains so we're also

facing that dilemma. Luckily, his prescription of 1/2 grain pills will

run out within the month, so he'll be forced to go back to the doc and

get some bloodwork. Other factors you can measure at home are your

daily temps (goal is 98.6, but only on days 2-3 of your period), your

basal underarm temp (97.8-98.2), rate of respiration (your chest should

rise between 12-20 times/minute at rest), and your pulse (70s is

average).

Barb

>

> It takes at least 2-3 weeks for T4 to buid up in you system and then

to

> convert to the active T3. You could easily pass your sweet spot and

go

> form hypo to hyper which, BTW, feel s almost the same! Tired, achy

and

> heart palsp are identical from hypo and hyper. So passing the sweet

spot

> can be very hard to detect if you raise too quiickly.

>

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If you cannot do Licorice due to highBP then I would suggest Isocort.

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Broda . Because women menstruate, their temps go up and down

with each cycle. Your temp drops as you get closer to ovulation, and

then rises after. 97.9 at ovulation is normal, 98.8 before your period

is normal. The only time your hormones aren't raising or lowering your

temp is right in the middle, which is menstruation.

Barb

julietsway@... wrote:

>

> are you sure about that only on day 2 and 3 of your period.....where

did you

> get that info....val v.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Barb,

>>Passing the sweet spot should be a concern for everyone who's

raising, because I see it happen so often.<<

I am concerned about this, too.

>>Other factors you can measure at home are your daily temps (goal is

98.6, but only on days 2-3 of your period), your basal underarm temp

(97.8-98.2), rate of respiration (your chest should rise between 12-20

times/minute at rest), and your pulse (70s is average).<<

My temps are not good (never above 98 and my basal is around 96.6-

97.2). My pulse is between 55 and 65. I'm assuming that you are saying

that if my temps, rate of respiration and pulse will be elevated if I

have passed that sweet spot and entered hyper territory? Do I have that

right?

Thanks!

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Thanks for all your time and patience, Val.

Have a good day.

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> If you cannot do Licorice due to highBP then I would suggest Isocort.

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I have no 'female parts' anymore, so this is not a concern for me.

> >

> > are you sure about that only on day 2 and 3 of your

period.....where

> did you

> > get that info....val v.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

You have given me lots to think about, Val. I will look into Isocort.

>

> If you cannot do Licorice due to highBP then I would suggest Isocort.

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[Guest guest]

Are you saying that you have felt crappy for 8 weeks before noticing

anything after Armour raises? Like you still were very hypoT the

whole time?

Thanks.

L

>

> l have had alot of dose changes and l never noticed anything till

the 8 week

> mark.....val v.

>

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" lkm6677 " wrote

> My temps are not good (never above 98 and my basal is around 96.6-

> 97.2). My pulse is between 55 and 65. I'm assuming that you are

saying

> that if my temps, rate of respiration and pulse will be elevated if I

> have passed that sweet spot and entered hyper territory? Do I have

that

> right?

Yes, all your vitals still show you quite hypo, OR as Val pointed out,

the thyroid is simply not getting to your cells. DH's pulse was in the

upper 50s when we started this protocol, but now, at 3.25 grains, his

pulse is in the 70s. So it does concern me that yours is still so low,

unless it was even lower before.

Barb

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Thank you so much for posting this info! What happens if your temps

are off due to thyroid issues? Will it go up some anyway?

Sheila

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wrote:

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> I have no 'female parts' anymore, so this is not a concern for me.

>

>

>

> >

>

[Guest guest]

If you are hypothyroid, your temps are usually low, and taking thyroid

will raise your temps, provided you have enough cortisol to get it to

the cells.

Barb

" aoaschoolhouse " wrote:

>

> Thank you so much for posting this info! What happens if your temps

> are off due to thyroid issues? Will it go up some anyway?

> Sheila

>

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> wrote:

> >

> > I have no 'female parts' anymore, so this is not a concern for me.

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> >

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[Guest guest]

>>Yes, all your vitals still show you quite hypo, OR as Val pointed

out, the thyroid is simply not getting to your cells...So it does

concern me that yours is still so low, unless it was even lower

before.<<

Barb, so do you think Isocort is the way to go, too? I have

considered ordering/taking it before....just wish I knew for sure

what the right thing to do is!!

My pulse has been as low as the mid 40's (when I was in the hospital

in May '06 with aspiration pneumonia, in Nov '06 when I was in the

hospital after surgery to help with achalasia - the death of the

nerves/peristolsis in the esophagus combined with the tightening of

the lower esophageal sphincter and when I was in the hospital in

Jan '08 for my bilateral oophorectomy....it kept setting off the

alarm on the pulse monitor...after the first few times of the nurses

rushing in, I guess they figured that my low pulse was nothing much

to be concerned about as they stopped coming in and taught me how to

turn off the alarm myself!) but has been stuck in the 55-65 range for

the most part.

[Guest guest]

Surgery is a very common cause of adrenal fatigue, so yes, I would

try some Isocort. And actually, you have made progress, if you came

up from a mid 40s pulse to 55-65! At least you won't set off any

alarms now, but this tells me you're still not optimized (unless

you're a super athlete!).

Barb

" lkm6677 " wrote:

>

> >>Yes, all your vitals still show you quite hypo, OR as Val pointed

> out, the thyroid is simply not getting to your cells...So it does

> concern me that yours is still so low, unless it was even lower

> before.<<

>

> Barb, so do you think Isocort is the way to go, too? I have

> considered ordering/taking it before....just wish I knew for sure

> what the right thing to do is!!

>

> My pulse has been as low as the mid 40's (when I was in the

hospital

> in May '06 with aspiration pneumonia, in Nov '06 when I was in the

> hospital after surgery to help with achalasia - the death of the

> nerves/peristolsis in the esophagus combined with the tightening of

> the lower esophageal sphincter and when I was in the hospital in

> Jan '08 for my bilateral oophorectomy....it kept setting off the

> alarm on the pulse monitor...after the first few times of the

nurses

> rushing in, I guess they figured that my low pulse was nothing much

> to be concerned about as they stopped coming in and taught me how

to

> turn off the alarm myself!) but has been stuck in the 55-65 range

for

> the most part.

>

>

>