Re: Histamine Levels and Hives -- Connection?

[Guest guest]

Hey ,

I get daily hives and have for about 3 years now. From my studies on

this topic there is a direct conection to hives/hypo. I too have to

take daily doeses of Claritin too. What I can tell you is that as I

have gotten on the thyroid meds, the hives are not as large and do

not last as long. (I mainly notice them on my hands and knees.)

When I first got them, they were giant and covered my entire body

from the neck down. I found this article that I asked STTM to post

on one dr that imediately put people with Giant Hives on thyroid meds

and once they got to 3 grains or higher the symptoms completely went

away.

Keep me posted if you find out additional info on this fun topic.

It's been a struggle to have a normal life to say the least. Wearing

dresses and even short sleves have been hard because I don't know

when an attack is going to come on. (On a diff note, I have had

severe allergies since birth, and think I was born Hypo).

Hives article:

Pasted from http://thyroid.about.com/od/drdavidderry/l/bl15.htm>

Jen

>

> I've been wondering...

>

> Are the elevated histamine levels I have related to the itchy hives

I

> get every day if I don't take Zyrtec?

>

> My levels were: 30.9 (normal range for day is 10-20)

>

> Many thanks!

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hey ,

I get daily hives and have for about 3 years now. From my studies on

this topic there is a direct conection to hives/hypo. I too have to

take daily doeses of Claritin too. What I can tell you is that as I

have gotten on the thyroid meds, the hives are not as large and do

not last as long. (I mainly notice them on my hands and knees.)

When I first got them, they were giant and covered my entire body

from the neck down. I found this article that I asked STTM to post

on one dr that imediately put people with Giant Hives on thyroid meds

and once they got to 3 grains or higher the symptoms completely went

away.

Keep me posted if you find out additional info on this fun topic.

It's been a struggle to have a normal life to say the least. Wearing

dresses and even short sleves have been hard because I don't know

when an attack is going to come on. (On a diff note, I have had

severe allergies since birth, and think I was born Hypo).

Hives article:

Pasted from http://thyroid.about.com/od/drdavidderry/l/bl15.htm>

Jen

>

> I've been wondering...

>

> Are the elevated histamine levels I have related to the itchy hives

I

> get every day if I don't take Zyrtec?

>

> My levels were: 30.9 (normal range for day is 10-20)

>

> Many thanks!

>

>

[Guest guest]

Wow, I learn something new everytime I read this list! I didn't even

think that hives might be related to a thyroid disorder. I have

had " inexplicable " giant hives for years that puzzled my allergist.

Several years ago he put me on high doses of Zantac explaining that

he had learned at a conference that it was found to help with hives.

I do not have to take it on a daily basis anymore, but whenever I do

have hive outbreaks I take my prescription strength Zantac (300mg)

along with my Allegra (180mg) and can, according to my allergist,

take another dose of Zantac every few hours (not the Allegra). I

have often found that the Zantac alone works great. Usually by the

third dose the hive is all but gone. Mine are usually on my eye or

lip.

For what it's worth... I did find information about the Zantac/hive

relationship at this website: http://www.drghatan.com/hives.html

Good luck!

> >

> > I've been wondering...

> >

> > Are the elevated histamine levels I have related to the itchy

hives

> I

> > get every day if I don't take Zyrtec?

> >

> > My levels were: 30.9 (normal range for day is 10-20)

> >

> > Many thanks!

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Wow, I learn something new everytime I read this list! I didn't even

think that hives might be related to a thyroid disorder. I have

had " inexplicable " giant hives for years that puzzled my allergist.

Several years ago he put me on high doses of Zantac explaining that

he had learned at a conference that it was found to help with hives.

I do not have to take it on a daily basis anymore, but whenever I do

have hive outbreaks I take my prescription strength Zantac (300mg)

along with my Allegra (180mg) and can, according to my allergist,

take another dose of Zantac every few hours (not the Allegra). I

have often found that the Zantac alone works great. Usually by the

third dose the hive is all but gone. Mine are usually on my eye or

lip.

For what it's worth... I did find information about the Zantac/hive

relationship at this website: http://www.drghatan.com/hives.html

Good luck!

> >

> > I've been wondering...

> >

> > Are the elevated histamine levels I have related to the itchy

hives

> I

> > get every day if I don't take Zyrtec?

> >

> > My levels were: 30.9 (normal range for day is 10-20)

> >

> > Many thanks!

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Curiouser and curiouser...

Last year I went to an allergist to find out WHY I have such horrible

hives. He ran test after test and finally said that he thinks that

the hives are caused by something internal. He pointed to a blood

measurement of thyroid antibodies. Anti thyroid peroxidase or

something similar. Those are indicators that the body is turning

against the thyroid.

The allergist thinks that those antibodies may be causing hives. He

said that is known to happen.

He suggested that I see an endocrinologist and then report back to him

once the antibody levels are down.

I'll read up on the links that you guys sent. This is rather curious...

The histamine levels I was wondering about are the elevated ones that

came back from my adrenal tests that I did. I'm curious about that

too...whether the elevated histamine levels are causing the histamine

reaction...is that how the body works?

~

> > >

> > > I've been wondering...

> > >

> > > Are the elevated histamine levels I have related to the itchy

> hives

> > I

> > > get every day if I don't take Zyrtec?

> > >

> > > My levels were: 30.9 (normal range for day is 10-20)

> > >

> > > Many thanks!

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Curiouser and curiouser...

Last year I went to an allergist to find out WHY I have such horrible

hives. He ran test after test and finally said that he thinks that

the hives are caused by something internal. He pointed to a blood

measurement of thyroid antibodies. Anti thyroid peroxidase or

something similar. Those are indicators that the body is turning

against the thyroid.

The allergist thinks that those antibodies may be causing hives. He

said that is known to happen.

He suggested that I see an endocrinologist and then report back to him

once the antibody levels are down.

I'll read up on the links that you guys sent. This is rather curious...

The histamine levels I was wondering about are the elevated ones that

came back from my adrenal tests that I did. I'm curious about that

too...whether the elevated histamine levels are causing the histamine

reaction...is that how the body works?

~

> > >

> > > I've been wondering...

> > >

> > > Are the elevated histamine levels I have related to the itchy

> hives

> > I

> > > get every day if I don't take Zyrtec?

> > >

> > > My levels were: 30.9 (normal range for day is 10-20)

> > >

> > > Many thanks!

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Curiouser and curiouser...

Last year I went to an allergist to find out WHY I have such horrible

hives. He ran test after test and finally said that he thinks that

the hives are caused by something internal. He pointed to a blood

measurement of thyroid antibodies. Anti thyroid peroxidase or

something similar. Those are indicators that the body is turning

against the thyroid.

The allergist thinks that those antibodies may be causing hives. He

said that is known to happen.

He suggested that I see an endocrinologist and then report back to him

once the antibody levels are down.

I'll read up on the links that you guys sent. This is rather curious...

The histamine levels I was wondering about are the elevated ones that

came back from my adrenal tests that I did. I'm curious about that

too...whether the elevated histamine levels are causing the histamine

reaction...is that how the body works?

~

> > >

> > > I've been wondering...

> > >

> > > Are the elevated histamine levels I have related to the itchy

> hives

> > I

> > > get every day if I don't take Zyrtec?

> > >

> > > My levels were: 30.9 (normal range for day is 10-20)

> > >

> > > Many thanks!

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I understand that high histamine levels are not what we want.

Certain supplements can raise them...I think folic acid was

one...and other supplements can lower them, like coenzyme Q-10, and

can't remember the other ones. High levels would most definitely

influence the occurence of breakouts.

I beleive I read where alkalinizing the body could lower histamine

levels as well, but I would do some research first....am not very

sure, as I have read so much it is mind boggling! LOL

Naffy

> > > >

> > > > I've been wondering...

> > > >

> > > > Are the elevated histamine levels I have related to the

itchy

> > hives

> > > I

> > > > get every day if I don't take Zyrtec?

> > > >

> > > > My levels were: 30.9 (normal range for day is 10-20)

> > > >

> > > > Many thanks!

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I understand that high histamine levels are not what we want.

Certain supplements can raise them...I think folic acid was

one...and other supplements can lower them, like coenzyme Q-10, and

can't remember the other ones. High levels would most definitely

influence the occurence of breakouts.

I beleive I read where alkalinizing the body could lower histamine

levels as well, but I would do some research first....am not very

sure, as I have read so much it is mind boggling! LOL

Naffy

> > > >

> > > > I've been wondering...

> > > >

> > > > Are the elevated histamine levels I have related to the

itchy

> > hives

> > > I

> > > > get every day if I don't take Zyrtec?

> > > >

> > > > My levels were: 30.9 (normal range for day is 10-20)

> > > >

> > > > Many thanks!

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I understand that high histamine levels are not what we want.

Certain supplements can raise them...I think folic acid was

one...and other supplements can lower them, like coenzyme Q-10, and

can't remember the other ones. High levels would most definitely

influence the occurence of breakouts.

I beleive I read where alkalinizing the body could lower histamine

levels as well, but I would do some research first....am not very

sure, as I have read so much it is mind boggling! LOL

Naffy

> > > >

> > > > I've been wondering...

> > > >

> > > > Are the elevated histamine levels I have related to the

itchy

> > hives

> > > I

> > > > get every day if I don't take Zyrtec?

> > > >

> > > > My levels were: 30.9 (normal range for day is 10-20)

> > > >

> > > > Many thanks!

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Naffy,

Thanks for the additional info!

I keep running into the concept of managing ph to manage disease. I'm

almost ready to look into that but not quite yet.

Like you, I have read SOOOO much. I need to pace myself and introduce

changes into my diet and supplement regime deliberately and slowly.

Interesting that pH keeps coming up.

And just last night my Mom was nagging (yes NAGGING) me about taking

folic acid if, in her words, " You think you may want to get pregnant

in the next year or so...or ever. "

LOL

I'm 38...been married for one year...and been really sick for as long

as I have known my hubby. Methinks I shall NOT be adding a baby to

the mix until I reach some level of wellness and maintain it for long

enough to ENJOY it before throwing the baby variable into things.

Blessings,

>

> I understand that high histamine levels are not what we want.

>

> Certain supplements can raise them...I think folic acid was

> one...and other supplements can lower them, like coenzyme Q-10, and

> can't remember the other ones. High levels would most definitely

> influence the occurence of breakouts.

>

> I beleive I read where alkalinizing the body could lower histamine

> levels as well, but I would do some research first....am not very

> sure, as I have read so much it is mind boggling! LOL

>

> Naffy

>

>

[Guest guest]

Naffy,

Thanks for the additional info!

I keep running into the concept of managing ph to manage disease. I'm

almost ready to look into that but not quite yet.

Like you, I have read SOOOO much. I need to pace myself and introduce

changes into my diet and supplement regime deliberately and slowly.

Interesting that pH keeps coming up.

And just last night my Mom was nagging (yes NAGGING) me about taking

folic acid if, in her words, " You think you may want to get pregnant

in the next year or so...or ever. "

LOL

I'm 38...been married for one year...and been really sick for as long

as I have known my hubby. Methinks I shall NOT be adding a baby to

the mix until I reach some level of wellness and maintain it for long

enough to ENJOY it before throwing the baby variable into things.

Blessings,

>

> I understand that high histamine levels are not what we want.

>

> Certain supplements can raise them...I think folic acid was

> one...and other supplements can lower them, like coenzyme Q-10, and

> can't remember the other ones. High levels would most definitely

> influence the occurence of breakouts.

>

> I beleive I read where alkalinizing the body could lower histamine

> levels as well, but I would do some research first....am not very

> sure, as I have read so much it is mind boggling! LOL

>

> Naffy

>

>

[Guest guest]

Naffy,

Thanks for the additional info!

I keep running into the concept of managing ph to manage disease. I'm

almost ready to look into that but not quite yet.

Like you, I have read SOOOO much. I need to pace myself and introduce

changes into my diet and supplement regime deliberately and slowly.

Interesting that pH keeps coming up.

And just last night my Mom was nagging (yes NAGGING) me about taking

folic acid if, in her words, " You think you may want to get pregnant

in the next year or so...or ever. "

LOL

I'm 38...been married for one year...and been really sick for as long

as I have known my hubby. Methinks I shall NOT be adding a baby to

the mix until I reach some level of wellness and maintain it for long

enough to ENJOY it before throwing the baby variable into things.

Blessings,

>

> I understand that high histamine levels are not what we want.

>

> Certain supplements can raise them...I think folic acid was

> one...and other supplements can lower them, like coenzyme Q-10, and

> can't remember the other ones. High levels would most definitely

> influence the occurence of breakouts.

>

> I beleive I read where alkalinizing the body could lower histamine

> levels as well, but I would do some research first....am not very

> sure, as I have read so much it is mind boggling! LOL

>

> Naffy

>

>

[Guest guest]

I have below normall histamine levels last test. However i have always

had unexplained hive breakouts about once every 2 months. I am taking

folic acid, b12, niacin etc to raise histamine levels. havent had any

increase in hives..

[Guest guest]

I have below normall histamine levels last test. However i have always

had unexplained hive breakouts about once every 2 months. I am taking

folic acid, b12, niacin etc to raise histamine levels. havent had any

increase in hives..

[Guest guest]

Cristina,,,,managing ph levels is not that hard to do. YOu can take

a spoonfull of either: lemon juice, baking soda or apple cider

vinegar in a glass of water before meals. This pretty much does

it. Also avoid foods which cause acid ash in the body...you can

google the list. I have found this pretty easy to do, all other

things considered. At least we don't have to take another PILL. LOL

Good luck in your new marriage and maybe baby!

Naffy

> >

> > I understand that high histamine levels are not what we want.

> >

> > Certain supplements can raise them...I think folic acid was

> > one...and other supplements can lower them, like coenzyme Q-10,

and

> > can't remember the other ones. High levels would most

definitely

> > influence the occurence of breakouts.

> >

> > I beleive I read where alkalinizing the body could lower

histamine

> > levels as well, but I would do some research first....am not

very

> > sure, as I have read so much it is mind boggling! LOL

> >

> > Naffy

> >

>

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Cristina,,,,managing ph levels is not that hard to do. YOu can take

a spoonfull of either: lemon juice, baking soda or apple cider

vinegar in a glass of water before meals. This pretty much does

it. Also avoid foods which cause acid ash in the body...you can

google the list. I have found this pretty easy to do, all other

things considered. At least we don't have to take another PILL. LOL

Good luck in your new marriage and maybe baby!

Naffy

> >

> > I understand that high histamine levels are not what we want.

> >

> > Certain supplements can raise them...I think folic acid was

> > one...and other supplements can lower them, like coenzyme Q-10,

and

> > can't remember the other ones. High levels would most

definitely

> > influence the occurence of breakouts.

> >

> > I beleive I read where alkalinizing the body could lower

histamine

> > levels as well, but I would do some research first....am not

very

> > sure, as I have read so much it is mind boggling! LOL

> >

> > Naffy

> >

>

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Were you on antihistamines when you tested?

Your case is unusual...but hey....the goal is no breakouts so that's

great you're doing better!

Naffy

>

> I have below normall histamine levels last test. However i have

always

> had unexplained hive breakouts about once every 2 months. I am

taking

> folic acid, b12, niacin etc to raise histamine levels. havent had

any

> increase in hives..

>

[Guest guest]

Naffy,

It's that simple?!?! It can't hurt to add baking soda in some water

before a meal! You are sooo right...no additional pills, HOORAY!

I remember seeing posts reporting that it can take a long time to

raise or lower ph...is that true in your experience?

Also, how do you measure your pH, if I may ask? I had heard mention

of take home test strips one can buy.

Managing the pH of the body seems like such a basic health concept

(being that disease can't live in certain pH levels, right?)...why

don't docs address that?!

Pondering further...

>

> Cristina,,,,managing ph levels is not that hard to do. YOu can take

> a spoonfull of either: lemon juice, baking soda or apple cider

> vinegar in a glass of water before meals. This pretty much does

> it. Also avoid foods which cause acid ash in the body...you can

> google the list. I have found this pretty easy to do, all other

> things considered. At least we don't have to take another PILL. LOL

>

> Good luck in your new marriage and maybe baby!

>

> Naffy

>

[Guest guest]

I use the urine strips....seems to work for me. The only caution I

would take is to buy aluminum -free baking soda. The regular

variety has aluminum in it and we try to avoid that.

I switch it around, some days taking the baking soda, while other

days just the acv. I ALWAYS sip lemon water at least once a day, as

that is just great to do for the liver. I beleive there are ph

drops too but haven't tried them.

Why don't doctors address this? Because they are all JERKS!

I've always said that in a car accident, or any other major trauma I

would want a conventional doctor around to save my life. But as for

PREVENTION and NUTRITION, I don't think they have a clue! And endo's

are the best at being the worst!!! LOL

Naffy

> >

> > Cristina,,,,managing ph levels is not that hard to do. YOu can

take

> > a spoonfull of either: lemon juice, baking soda or apple cider

> > vinegar in a glass of water before meals. This pretty much does

> > it. Also avoid foods which cause acid ash in the body...you can

> > google the list. I have found this pretty easy to do, all other

> > things considered. At least we don't have to take another PILL.

LOL

> >

> > Good luck in your new marriage and maybe baby!

> >

> > Naffy

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Naffy,

Well phooey! I have an appointment with an endo a week from tomorrow

and am hoping he is competent. Beyond an endo I am at a loss as to

who to go to for management of the thyroid and adrenals. I'll have to

do more research and pray a LOT more.

Thanks for the baking soda tip. I'm not eating any fruit or fruit

juices right now (anti-candida diet) so will stick with the baking

soda. Do you buy the aluminum free at a health food store or regular

store?

Urine strips...I will look those up!

thanks!!!

> >

> > Naffy,

> >

> > It's that simple?!?! It can't hurt to add baking soda in some

> water

> > before a meal! You are sooo right...no additional pills, HOORAY!

> >

> > I remember seeing posts reporting that it can take a long time to

> > raise or lower ph...is that true in your experience?

> >

> > Also, how do you measure your pH, if I may ask? I had heard

> mention

> > of take home test strips one can buy.

> >

> > Managing the pH of the body seems like such a basic health concept

> > (being that disease can't live in certain pH levels, right?)...why

> > don't docs address that?!

> >

> > Pondering further...

> >

[Guest guest]

I buy Bob's Red MIll brand at the grocery store. I use it when I

have reflux as well, and it gets rid of it in 5 seconds.

If you don't like your endo, you can always wing it alone. That's

what I have been doing for over a year now, and what many on the

forums have had to end up doing.

You'll get great advice here and at STTM and although the protocol

at times is hard, it would be a lot harder going thru a dr. and

having to wait weeks at a time on the wrong doses. Just my opinion

of course, and do respect the fact that most people feel safer in

the hands of their doctors.

Best of luck in getting ph balanced!

Naffy

> > >

> > > Naffy,

> > >

> > > It's that simple?!?! It can't hurt to add baking soda in some

> > water

> > > before a meal! You are sooo right...no additional pills,

HOORAY!

> > >

> > > I remember seeing posts reporting that it can take a long time

to

> > > raise or lower ph...is that true in your experience?

> > >

> > > Also, how do you measure your pH, if I may ask? I had heard

> > mention

> > > of take home test strips one can buy.

> > >

> > > Managing the pH of the body seems like such a basic health

concept

> > > (being that disease can't live in certain pH levels,

right?)...why

> > > don't docs address that?!

> > >

> > > Pondering further...

> > >

>

[Guest guest]

Naffy, ACV and lemon juice are both acidic, but baking soda is alkaline.

What are you trying to change your PH to?

I just looked at my box of baking soda, Arm and Hammer. Don't see any

other ingredients. Does it really have aluminum in it?

Lynn

> > >

> > > Cristina,,,,managing ph levels is not that hard to do. YOu can

> take

> > > a spoonfull of either: lemon juice, baking soda or apple cider

> > > vinegar in a glass of water before meals. This pretty much does

> > > it. Also avoid foods which cause acid ash in the body...you can

> > > google the list. I have found this pretty easy to do, all other

> > > things considered. At least we don't have to take another PILL.

> LOL

> > >

> > > Good luck in your new marriage and maybe baby!

> > >

> > > Naffy

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Many foods we consider acidic, convert to alkaline in the body,

lemons being one of them. My naturist explained this to me and

convinced me on the lemon juice route. I have had no gerd from

this, nor the vinegar nor the baking soda. On the contrary....seems

to have healed it.

I am no expert on the baking soda, but was once told it was loaded

with aluminum and since I saw the 'aluminum -free' brand in the

market, opted for that one. My mom has alzheimers and dr. told me

to avoid aluminum at all costs. I'm not well read in it tho...just

followed his words blindly, but you can google it I guess.

Naffy

> > > >

> > > > Cristina,,,,managing ph levels is not that hard to do. YOu

can

> > take

> > > > a spoonfull of either: lemon juice, baking soda or apple

cider

> > > > vinegar in a glass of water before meals. This pretty much

does

> > > > it. Also avoid foods which cause acid ash in the body...you

can

> > > > google the list. I have found this pretty easy to do, all

other

> > > > things considered. At least we don't have to take another

PILL.

> > LOL

> > > >

> > > > Good luck in your new marriage and maybe baby!

> > > >

> > > > Naffy

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

If you take baking soda before a meal you are reducing your stomach

acid, thus reducing digestion and therefore absorption of nutrients,

yes? This seems like a really bad idea to me.Taking between meals, maybe

ok, but with meals? I really question that.

sol

clkenyon wrote:

> Naffy,

>

> It's that simple?!?! It can't hurt to add baking soda in some water

> before a meal!