Oral vs topical Progesterone supplementation to help adrenals

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I am taking cortef for low adrenals and oral progesterone (prometrium)

for estrogen dominance. From what I understand low progesterone is

linked with low cortisol and supplementation with progesterone helps

build back cortisol reserves. I have heard the hormone creams may be

more effective than the pills. Just wondering if anyone has experience

with oral vs topical progesterone. Are they about the same or is it

better do do cream vs oral? If you are aware of any literature on this,

I would be very interested. Thank you.

[Guest guest]

>>I am taking cortef for low adrenals and oral progesterone (prometrium)

for estrogen dominance. From what I understand low progesterone is

linked with low cortisol and supplementation with progesterone helps

build back cortisol reserves. I have heard the hormone creams may be

more effective than the pills. Just wondering if anyone has experience

with oral vs topical progesterone. Are they about the same or is it

better do do cream vs oral? If you are aware of any literature on this,

I would be very interested. Thank you. <<

Actually though in NORMAL people, progesterone is a precursor to cortiosl, in

adrneal fatigue it is unlikely to help build cortils as testosterone is the ONLY

sex hormone that actually helps adrenals rebuild. Progesterone CAN mimick

cortils and bind to cortisol receptors and actually block your own cortils from

working correctly sdo be careful wiht taking too much progesterone. I would

strongly suspect when you get ENOUGH cortils your estrogen levels will come down

on the8ir own as low cortiosl Causes high estrogen.

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[Guest guest]

Thank you so much for this information! I'm heading to my

OBGYN on Friday to complain that since I started on bioHRT 100mg

progesterone, 3mg Estradiol, and 1mg Testosterone I feel like I'm

walking around with morning sickness all day long (I'm on 10,10,5

Cortef as well). This may also explain why my face is starting to

swell and my weight is just climbing!

Sheila

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> >>I am taking cortef for low adrenals and oral progesterone (prometrium)

> for estrogen dominance. From what I understand low progesterone is

> linked with low cortisol and supplementation with progesterone helps

> build back cortisol reserves. I have heard the hormone creams may be

> more effective than the pills. Just wondering if anyone has experience

> with oral vs topical progesterone. Are they about the same or is it

> better do do cream vs oral? If you are aware of any literature on this,

> I would be very interested. Thank you. <<

>

>

> Actually though in NORMAL people, progesterone is a precursor to

cortiosl, in adrneal fatigue it is unlikely to help build cortils as

testosterone is the ONLY sex hormone that actually helps adrenals

rebuild. Progesterone CAN mimick cortils and bind to cortisol

receptors and actually block your own cortils from working correctly

sdo be careful wiht taking too much progesterone. I would strongly

suspect when you get ENOUGH cortils your estrogen levels will come

down on the8ir own as low cortiosl Causes high estrogen.

>

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[Guest guest]

Sheila- as an ob-gyn, that estradiol dose looks really high and I am pretty sure

the cause of your symptoms- quick look as I am geting ready for work!??? jGeri

Geszler, MD

[Guest guest]

You are right, Geri! I called my compounding pharmacy to double

check, and it IS 3mg and not .3mg so I spoke with their expert there

and she told me that the estradiol at 3mg is way too high and causing

the problems-the painful breast tenderness sure revealed that today.

She recommended a " Full Profile 1 ZRT " salvia test rather than blood

since I don't have a uterus anymore-too hard to tell my cycle now or

if I even have one, that includes an ACTH for the adrenals-she said it

would be able to tell the amounts I'm taking vs. what is actually

there-some kind of forms to fill out on all that (will cost me $150.00

out of pocket-insurance won't cover bioHRT and will take 10days to

process), and she also recommended topical creams for the estradiol

and testosterone and a capsule for the progesterone since with

estrogen dominance may have digestion issues; this will be such a

relief I hope and pray after a full month of PMS and morning sickness

combined. Hope this helps others, too.

Sheila

>

> Sheila- as an ob-gyn, that estradiol dose looks really high and I am

pretty sure the cause of your symptoms- quick look as I am geting

ready for work!??? jGeri Geszler, MD

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

You are right, Geri! I called my compounding pharmacy to double

check, and it IS 3mg and not .3mg so I spoke with their expert there

and she told me that the estradiol at 3mg is way too high and causing

the problems-the painful breast tenderness sure revealed that today.

She recommended a " Full Profile 1 ZRT " salvia test rather than blood

since I don't have a uterus anymore-too hard to tell my cycle now or

if I even have one, that includes an ACTH for the adrenals-she said it

would be able to tell the amounts I'm taking vs. what is actually

there-some kind of forms to fill out on all that (will cost me $150.00

out of pocket-insurance won't cover bioHRT and will take 10days to

process), and she also recommended topical creams for the estradiol

and testosterone and a capsule for the progesterone since with

estrogen dominance may have digestion issues; this will be such a

relief I hope and pray after a full month of PMS and morning sickness

combined. Hope this helps others, too.

Sheila

>

> Sheila- as an ob-gyn, that estradiol dose looks really high and I am

pretty sure the cause of your symptoms- quick look as I am geting

ready for work!??? jGeri Geszler, MD

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

WOW that sounds liek a VERY high dose. I would think a 20-30mg dose

would be fine but that mega dose is blocking what cortios lyou have from

working thus the nausea.

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[Guest guest]

Did he test your progesterone levels?? Sometimes oral progesterone can cause

dizziness or sleepiness, but is good if you have sleep or anxiety issues.? 100mg

is ok for oral if he tested you, but is a huge dose for the cream.? Geri Geszler

[Guest guest]

That is WAY too high of a dose. My doc put me on 100 mg transdermal a

day and I almost went to the ER. Sleeplessness, anxiety, spiking BP,

heart palps. Docs are overdosing patients on a regular basis from

what I'm seeing.

Of course you are depressed and nauseous. P is the hormone of

pregnancy and you are using pregnancy-level amounts. High P in the

first trimester is one of the reasons we feel nauseous. It also slows

down digestion and gastrointestinal motility.

P builds up in the fat tissue and can take months to diminish.

I feel very strongly about this, as you can tell. I feel it almost

killed me and I spent months researching this and talking with other

women who were also overdosed on it.

Cindy

I am wondering if that is happening to me this week? I had been

taking the Progesterone 200 mg every night. I noticed recently that I

am feeling blue after putting it on, which for me is unusual because I

usually feel best at night. I would feel depressed and nauseous.

Could this be the Progesterone? Rhonda

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[Guest guest]

Naffy,

The transdermal dose is typically 10% of the oral, since the

transdermal route is direct and you are getting the full amount,

whereas the oral route has a first pass through the liver, reducing

the levels.

So if one is taking 100mg oral, that would translate into 10 mg.

transdermal. Problem is it seems most docs don't take this into

account and give almost equivalent amounts, which are dangerous.

And many people using OTC P cream on their own are using way too

much. More and more research is coming out all the time, and the

savvy docs are saying that the doses of the cream that were originally

thought to be the normal dose are in fact entirely too high,

especially since it builds up over time.

Cindy

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wrote:

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> I am certainly no expert in this....I have doubts everyday as to the

> hormones I am taking.

>

> But I do recall that when my daughter went to see Holtorf, he sent

> her progesterone capsules...I beleive they were 100 mg or higher.

> When I questioned the dose, he said that due to digestion, very

> little is actually absorbed by the body. I never felt comfortable

> with that reply.....she ended up taking them, but later switched to

> cream form. I don't kow how much is absosrbed in cream form either,

> but it seems safer guess work, bypassing liver and all that.

>

> I just mention this in case someone else is nervous when they see

> the amount of mg in capsule form.

>

> Naffy

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[Guest guest]

Hey val, I forgot to say I was taking 100 mg ORAL progesterone. You

think that is too high a dose, and I should try 20-30 mg oral?

Thanks

metta

>

> WOW that sounds liek a VERY high dose. I would think a 20-30mg dose

> would be fine but that mega dose is blocking what cortios lyou have

from

> working thus the nausea.

>

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[Guest guest]

DOSING question: does everyone here who takes either progesterone

capsules or cream take the SAME dose every day (except for the time

during the menstrual cycle, of course)? I wonder b/c I thought that

the body only produced progesterone starting on day 14 of the cyle and

then went up higher in production, and finally stopped producing at Day

1 of fthe next cycle. This is why I wonder why I'm being dosed with 100

mg capsules of prog. every day for my WHOLE cycle (minus the menstrual

cycle). I'm 30, and had no period problems before and after being on

prog, had the WORST most painful 10 days around my period, including

migraines, dizziness, heavy flow, nausea, cramps, pain, and depression!

Thanks for your help!

Metta

In NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS , idlvr@... wrote:

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>

> Did he test your progesterone levels?? Sometimes oral progesterone

can cause dizziness or sleepiness, but is good if you have sleep or

anxiety issues.? 100mg is ok for oral if he tested you, but is a huge

dose for the cream.? Geri Geszler

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Val~ I am wondering if that is happening to me this week? I had been taking

the Progesterone 200 mg every night. I noticed recently that I am feeling blue

after putting it on, which for me is unusual because I usually feel best at

night. I would feel depressed and nauseous. Could this be the Progesterone?

Rhonda

Re: Oral vs topical Progesterone supplementation to

help adrenals

WOW that sounds liek a VERY high dose. I would think a 20-30mg dose

would be fine but that mega dose is blocking what cortios lyou have from

working thus the nausea.

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http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

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