Re: New to group - which came first -- flat feet or weak adrenals

[Guest guest]

> Your temdinitis could easily be the resulkt of your weak adrenals or

low thyroid. Low cortiosl causes the htyroid to no t work properly in

your body so you get many of the sympotms of low thyroid even with

normal thyroid labs.

>

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My thyroid labs were

TSH 0.307 (0.35 to 5.5)

FT3 260 (230 to 420)

FT4 1.2 (0.6 to 1.8)

I am guessing that my TSH was suppressed because my adrenals were

over-producing, and my T4 conversion to T3 was low because my DHEA was

depleted. My DHEA to cortisol ratio/10,000 was 73. Would you agree

with this reasoning? So I should feel better with the Armour thyroid?

I may need more adrenal support because I clench my teeth at night

(also because my skeletal alignment is off due to feet issues). Seems

like there are many issues to address. Hard to know where to start. I

appreciate the support here.

[Guest guest]

>>My thyroid labs were

TSH 0.307 (0.35 to 5.5)

FT3 260 (230 to 420)

FT4 1.2 (0.6 to 1.8)

I am guessing that my TSH was suppressed because my adrenals were

over-producing, and my T4 conversion to T3 was low because my DHEA was

depleted. My DHEA to cortisol ratio/10,000 was 73. Would you agree

with this reasoning? So I should feel better with the Armour thyroid?

I may need more adrenal support because I clench my teeth at night

(also because my skeletal alignment is off due to feet issues).<<

Never heard of DHEA affecting T4 to T3 conversion. Hypothyroid you are and that

can be the cause of MANY of your other health issues incuding weak adrenald and

tendonitis and spional alignment problems. Clenching teeth at night can also be

a hypo symptom! Yes I would say you need some Armour but with well supported

adrenals first or your body will not utilize it properly.

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[Guest guest]

> Never heard of DHEA affecting T4 to T3 conversion. Hypothyroid you

are and that can be the cause of MANY of your other health issues

incuding weak adrenald and tendonitis and spional alignment problems.

Clenching teeth at night can also be a hypo symptom! Yes I would say

you need some Armour but with well supported adrenals first or your

body will not utilize it properly.

>

Is estrogen needed for T4 to T3 conversion? Maybe that's what I'm

thinking. I believe I am low estrogen due to DHEA depletion.

Well, I hope the adrenal glandular is enough support for now. How long

will it take to know if it's not after I start the Armour? And what

will my symptoms be?

Thanks.

[Guest guest]

>>Is estrogen needed for T4 to T3 conversion? Maybe that's what I'm

thinking. I believe I am low estrogen due to DHEA depletion.<<

Nope estrogen binds thyroid hormones. The things that are needed for conversion

of T4 to T3 are selenium and cortisol and enzymes.

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[Guest guest]

>>Well, I hope the adrenal glandular is enough support for now. How long

will it take to know if it's not after I start the Armour? And what

will my symptoms be?<<

Symptoms will be hyper like sym[ptoms with anxiety when you try to raise the

Armour and before you can get enough Armoru to be un hypo.

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[Guest guest]

> >>Well, I hope the adrenal glandular is enough support for now. How

long

> will it take to know if it's not after I start the Armour? And what

> will my symptoms be?<<

>

> Symptoms will be hyper like symptoms with anxiety when you try to

raise the Armour and before you can get enough Armour to be un hypo.

Well, I took the Armour this morning and I'm still here to write about

it. Is Emergen-C any better than PERQUE buffered C ascorbate? I've

been taking that to avoid constipation among other things.

So flat feet could be due to low thyroid, low testosterone or low

collagen? Maybe all three? Has anyone used a proline supplement with

success? I do eat homemade bone broths and it hasn't helped.

Would you suggest doing a saliva hormone test and doing HRT rather than

supplementing DHEA, Val? I don't think my doctor does HRT or she might

have suggested it.

Here is the chart I mentioned about the body's preferred pathway under

chronic stress, the

" pregnenolone steal. "

http://www.biodia.com/TechnicalCharts/SteroidalHormonechart.pdf>

Thanks.

[Guest guest]

Yes I ahve read about pregnenolone steakl many times, BUT replacing more

pregnenolone does nto help this and oftern adding more DHEA makes

matters worse. Getting the saliva cortiosl results is primary to knwo

what to replace. If cortiosl is high, pregnenolone may help. But most of

us do not barely notice symptoms when cortiso is high unless we are VERY

hypothyroid as well. Most people nptice adrenal fatigue once the

cortiosl levels have fallen when pregnenolone may be quite useless. Then

you need ot replace the hormones you are low in and not the precursors

as the proper conversins have broken down and are not working.

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[Guest guest]

>

> >>So my cortisol levels were

> 8 am 0.94 (0.27 - 1.18 mcg/dl)

> noon 0.16 (0.10 - 0.41)

> 4 pm 0.10 (0.05 - 0.27)

> 10 pm 0.07 (0.03 - 0.14)

>

> What does this suggest?<<

>

> Very mild adrenal support needed. Possibly only Rhodiola and

Ashwaganda. I would not even take Isocort for these labs unless you

cannot tolerate thyroid.

>

But what about in terms of DHEA, or pregnenolone?

PS. I had been taking a bovine adrenal glandular support for 9 days

when the saliva test was done.

[Guest guest]

If DHEA is low then it would not hurt to take a small amount as 5MG.

Pregnenolone only if you are low in it.

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