Guest guest Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 Cortisol Saliva Morning 9.1 Noon 3.4 Evening 5.6 Night 3.4 These were done on 1/31/08 >>I am on 2 gr. Armour and 2.5,2.5,2.5,I am on 2 gr. Armour and 2.5,2.5,2.5, Helena412@... **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030\ 000000001) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 OK, 5-2.5,2.5 it will be. This will remove the water? I should not touch the Armour? I Love Maltese Dogs! Helena412@... **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030\ 000000001) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 I did start to take temps, however I stopped. Dr. Rind's graph is too tiny for my eyes-any idea as to what times of the day I need to take temps. I will do it again, but not sure how many times a day this needs to be done. Thanks Val. I Love Maltese Dogs! Helena412@... **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030\ 000000001) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 Thank you! Since you are so well versed in this horrible disease we are all in together....I need to run this past you. My hubby has what the doctors call Acid Reflux (prescribed Previcid), he gets short winded very easily (new as of 3 years ago), heart has been checked and checked, lungs checked and nothing showing up. Well Sunday we went food shopping and while bringing in 4 bags of groceries, he was winded and had burning in his esophagus. He could not catch his breath. We live in a ranch house (2 small steps). He is other wise healthy and fit (130 pounds 2% body fat), he was always running rings around everyone, but lately as of 2 years ago he cannot get out of the recliner at age 43. I put some OTC HC cream on him when he was feeling the burning sensation, and was winded. He felt a lot better within 2 minutes. I also did the flashlight test on him, which he failed. I did the white line test on him last night and it stayed white for a longer time then mine (I am supplementing with Cortef). He has gone through my entire Cancer from diagnosis to remission, all of 3+years,running me over bridges for surgeries at wee hours in the am. I just feel if the doctors are ruling out heart, lungs, etc can this very well be adrenal fatigue? He doe snot have the energy to get moving after his 8 hours at work, and is in the chair immediately after getting home. He has become the typical couch potato because of this fatigued feeling. Says he has to rest to get energy to go anywhere. So unlike him. Any thoughts, Val? I Love Maltese Dogs! Helena412@... **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030\ 000000001) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 Hubby's Values-Blood Ferritin 93 (20-380) Free T4 2.3 (1.4-3.8) TSH 1.60 (.40-4.50) Cortisol PM 3.3 Glucose 51 (65-99) DHEA (saliva) 107.6 (137-335) I Love Maltese Dogs! Helena412@... **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030\ 000000001) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 What time was the PM cortiosl blood draw? Between 5-6pm as I remember. I Love Maltese Dogs! Helena412@... **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030\ 000000001) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 >>I am on 2 gr. Armour and 2.5,2.5,2.5,2.5 HC (just recent switch from OTC cream). I am retaining water-any idea, thoughts or suggestions as to why??????<< Uncovering hypo symptoms or too much HC. Can you post your saliva labs again? I see way too many to remember individual details. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 You should go to 5 - 2.5 - 2.5 and drop the last dose. Too much too late in the day. Once you get the first three doses higher then you may need the fprth, btu not right now. Your daytime doses are not high enough to suipress your high night time cortils so ti si going too high then with the last dose. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 Now is not the time to change Armoru dosing. You need ot find a stable dose of HC first. Are you graphing your temps per www.drrind.com ? That is something you should be doing now. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 You start about 3 hours after you have been awake. Say you normally gt up at 8 but some days sleep till 9, so you would start at noon for first temps, take the latest time oyu susally get up to choose the three hou start. then if noon is first, next would be 3PM then 6PM. Three temps and add them together and divide by three. This is your daily average. You compare each daily average to the next day's average which needs to be 2 tenths of a degree or less to show good adrneal support. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 Helena, When on line and the font is to small hit Alt and + sign and the page will enlarge do it until it is large enough to read. If you get it to large just do Alt and - sign to reduce the font size. From: Helena412@... I did start to take temps, however I stopped. Dr. Rind's graph is too tiny for my eyes-any idea as to what times of the day I need to take temps. I will do it again, but not sure how many times a day this needs to be done. Thanks Val. I Love Maltese Dogs! Helena412@... **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 I would order a saliva test for him as well as thyroid. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 Hubby's Values-Blood Ferritin 93 (20-380) Free T4 2.3 (1.4-3.8) TSH 1.60 (.40-4.50) Cortisol PM 3.3 Glucose 51 (65-99) A TSH over 1 would indicatea apossible problem withthyroid to me, and the low glucose.. he is VERY hypoglycemic! That is typical of adrneal fatigue so I am guessing that is a HUGE part of his lack of energy. What time was the PM cortiosl blood draw? -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 oK it is not too bad for that time of day but an AM cortios would tell more as would the 4 timessaliva profile . -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 Val, I am just about out of my mind-I am so irritable, ready to bite everyone's head off. What am I doing wrong. I feel horrible no energy at all (I stopped DHEA today), thinking that was causing the irritable. I have cut back a dose of Cortef (removed nighttime dose as per your advise. So as of today, I am 5, 2.5,2.5 and 2 grains Armour (split sublingual doses). I cannot move out of my own way. I feel like it is an effort to move any muscle in my body. Your opinion please,,,,, Helena I Love Maltese Dogs! Helena412@... **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030\ 000000001) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 My temps were an average of 98.1 today (3 readings), one reading was as high as 98.5 and last week and weeks prior I couldn't raise over 97's. I have always been in the 97 range. My BP has always been low side of normal, have not taken it since 2 weeks ago, and it was low. What are your temps doing? How fast have you raised Armour? BP? Helena412@... **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030\ 000000001) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 I ramped up with the cream, then I was prescribed the pills. I just changed 1 dose with pills for 3 days, then I went immediately to all pills, this is when I noticed the water retention. I felt I could just swap dosage of cream for dosage of pills and was at 5,5,2.5,2.5-this caused a lot of fluid. So I asked for your opinion, and it was go back down to 5,2.5,2.5 OMIT the bedtime dose. This is where I am now. and 2 gr Armour. I Love Maltese Dogs! Helena412@... **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030\ 000000001) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 What are your temps doing? How fast have you raised Amrou? BP? -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 From your sympotoms you nee dto slowly raise this dose. Yu have ot hit a balance yet Follow the ramp up schedule in our files. Many times wiht cortisl it seems we go through stages that feel worse til reaching the optimal dose. The file is How to Treat Adrenals. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 With all those changes you need ot hold still for at least a week. Changing steroid dosing too much too fast will onyl confuse the issue an is a recipe for feeling really bad,. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 With all those changes you need ot hold still for at least a week. Changing steroid dosing too much too fast will onyl confuse the issue an is a recipe for feeling really bad,. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 I really appreciate your help, Val You are a very kind person to help all of us. Thank so much for your time and kindness! You're the BEST! On another note-I think I found the reason for my feeling so very bad for the last few days-the barometric pressure changes! I know recall how bad they effect me, but for some reason dismissed them. They really effect my husband also-so when we were both feeling like we were 150 yrs old, I put 2 and 2 together. With all those changes you need ot hold still for at least a week. Changing steroid dosing too much too fast will onyl confuse the issue an is a recipe for feeling really bad,. I Love Maltese Dogs! Helena412@... **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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