Re: Daughter worried.... unwanted hair

[Guest guest]

You need to find a GOOD hormone doctor. I am not certain what triggers

excess DHEA except maybe loiw cortisl or an adrnela tunmor but she needs

a full work up with LH and FSH as well to know what is going on.

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

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http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

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[Guest guest]

,

Dr. Vliet has a book that you may want to pick up " The Savvy Women's

Guide to PCOS: The Many Faces of A 21 Century Epidemic... And What

You Can Do About It " ($12.21 on Amazon):

http://www.amazon.com/Savvy-Womans-Guide-PCOS-Epidemic/dp/1933213019/ref=sr_1_1?\

ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1205794195&sr=1-1

Excess Androgens are a symptom of Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome.

Another resource if you cannot find a good hormone doctor to help her

like Val suggests is Dr. Larrian Gillespie's private list:

http://hormonediva.com/

You can join the list (for a fee) and Dr. G will help you figure out

the best treatment and tests for your daughter.

Good luck,

Kathy

>

> Hi everyone,

>

> My youngest daughter just turned 15 and is very upset about getting

> hair where she shouldn't. She first started noticing hair above her

> lips and around her bellybutton a few years ago when she first got her

> period. Over the years she has started getting long dark hairs on her

> chest, neck, jawline and now chin. This is really bothering her.

>

> I think maybe at one time her cortisol levels may have been high

> because of buffalo hump on back of neck and many stretch marks. We

> tested her last fall and they are high but in range now. But her DHEA

> and Testosterone are both above range.

>

> DHEA 11 3-10 ng/ml

> Free testosterone 23 elevated 8-20 pg.ml

>

> She asked me to post and see if anyone had any suggestions as what to

> do to prevent more unwanted hair and possibly reverse this problem.

>

> Thanks in advance, S.

>

[Guest guest]

Sounds like PCOS. She should get a complete hormonal workup done.

I went my whole life with heavy painful periods, as well as painful

ovulations. Heavy teenage acne as well. NO one ever questioned my

hormones. Later in life, after a very early menopause my gyn/ob

told me I had probably been PCOS the whole time.

He said women who have body hairs where men usually have

them....line running down between navel and pubic area, around

nipples, above the lips, and stray sideburns are usually PCOS. I

think it has to do with high testosterone and can quite easily be

regulated. Luckily mine were blonde and barely visible, but I can

imagine at 15 how she must feel and I would want them gone ASAP. LOL!

Naffy

>

> Hi everyone,

>

> My youngest daughter just turned 15 and is very upset about

getting

> hair where she shouldn't. She first started noticing hair above

her

> lips and around her bellybutton a few years ago when she first got

her

> period. Over the years she has started getting long dark hairs on

her

> chest, neck, jawline and now chin. This is really bothering her.

>

> I think maybe at one time her cortisol levels may have been high

> because of buffalo hump on back of neck and many stretch marks.

We

> tested her last fall and they are high but in range now. But her

DHEA

> and Testosterone are both above range.

>

> DHEA 11 3-10 ng/ml

> Free testosterone 23 elevated 8-20 pg.ml

>

> She asked me to post and see if anyone had any suggestions as what

to

> do to prevent more unwanted hair and possibly reverse this problem.

>

> Thanks in advance, S.

>

[Guest guest]

I totally agree with what the other ladies said. But one other thing I

wanted to throw out there, I've read that drinking spearmint tea can

help with reducing unwanted hair, reducing androgens or something. Here

are a couple of websites where I found this info a while back, they will

explain better.....

http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=79554

http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=79554>

http://www.keepthedoctoraway.co.uk/News/SpearmintTeaControlsUnwantedHair\

Growth_214.html

http://www.keepthedoctoraway.co.uk/News/SpearmintTeaControlsUnwantedHai\

rGrowth_214.html>

But I would still see the doc and get a complete work-up done just so

you know what and if something is going on with her hormones. Just

thought I'd throw that out there...

-Marcy

[Guest guest]

This sounds like it could be PCOS, have some blood work done on your

daughter. have hormones male and female done, and check her blood

sugar /glucose level. I was told I had pcos about five years ago, so

I lowered my carb intake got rid of most breads, wheat,other grains

and simple sugars.I started to eat cleaner.I also added a few more

herbs to the ones I already take daily, as well as vitamins and other

supplements. it helped a lot .

Have her eat plenty of good protein and good healthy fats such as

fish oils, flax oils, no margarines though REAL butter is much

better for you. does she drink milk? have her stop drinking milk for

about a month it may help. milk has a lot of sugar (lactose) thats

hard on the system for many people.

Polycystic Ovary Syndrome is an endocrine disorder that affects

around 10% of all women . It occurs amongst all races and

nationalities, is the most common hormonal disorder among women of

reproductive age, and is one of the leading causes of infertility.The

principal features are weight problems, lack of regular ovulation

and/or menstruation, and excessive amounts or effects of androgenic

(masculinizing) hormones. The symptoms and severity of the syndrome

vary greatly between women. While the causes are unknown, insulin

resistance, diabetes and obesity are all strongly correlated with PCOS.

http://www.pcosupport.org/

http://www.ovarian-cysts-pcos.com/pcos.html

http://www.ovarian-cysts-pcos.com/

sherie

>

> Hi everyone,

>

> My youngest daughter just turned 15 and is very upset about getting

> hair where she shouldn't. She first started noticing hair above her

> lips and around her bellybutton a few years ago when she first got her

> period. Over the years she has started getting long dark hairs on her

> chest, neck, jawline and now chin. This is really bothering her.

>

> I think maybe at one time her cortisol levels may have been high

> because of buffalo hump on back of neck and many stretch marks. We

> tested her last fall and they are high but in range now. But her DHEA

> and Testosterone are both above range.

>

> DHEA 11 3-10 ng/ml

> Free testosterone 23 elevated 8-20 pg.ml

>

> She asked me to post and see if anyone had any suggestions as what to

> do to prevent more unwanted hair and possibly reverse this problem.

>

> Thanks in advance, S.

>

[Guest guest]

> Yes, everyone is right. As a gynecologist just starting to treat

hormonal problems naturally, now is the best time to get this fixed.?

While you are looking for someone to help her, she should really work

on her diet, minimizing processed carbs and really increasing fiber

so that she has at least one bowel movement per day.? Saw palmetto is

an herb that can be used to lower testosterone levels as an addition

to everything else, check if ok for adolescents.??? Geri g.

I've personally gone around and around with this for years and can't

really find answers. I have thinning hair, unwanted facial hair, and

weight issues since early childhood (well before poorly balanced

hormones could cause problems). I've repeatedly had testing done.

I'm not insulin resistant, do not have high glucose readings, ovulate

every month (and have had 7 children), and I just had my DHEA-S and

free and total testosterone levels done. All were in the normal

range, just about the middle. None of that would seem to explain the

symtpoms which would clearly indicate too many male hormones. I am

estrogen dominant and take progesterone cream to supplement. I don't

seem to fit a pattern of PCOS, or have lab work that would explain

the hair issues. Could it be something else? Any ideas what else

would cause similar issues to PCOS with male hormones?

[Guest guest]

,

Another cause of the high androgen/hair issue is adrenal related.

The medical community is calling it " non classical congenial adrenal

hyperplasia. "

The hair symptoms overlap with PCOS, I think the fasting blood sugar

is what separates the 2 conditions--can't remember at the top of my head.

tasia

>

> Hi everyone,

>

> My youngest daughter just turned 15 and is very upset about getting

> hair where she shouldn't. She first started noticing hair above her

> lips and around her bellybutton a few years ago when she first got her

> period. Over the years she has started getting long dark hairs on her

> chest, neck, jawline and now chin. This is really bothering her.

>

> I think maybe at one time her cortisol levels may have been high

> because of buffalo hump on back of neck and many stretch marks. We

> tested her last fall and they are high but in range now. But her DHEA

> and Testosterone are both above range.

>

> DHEA 11 3-10 ng/ml

> Free testosterone 23 elevated 8-20 pg.ml

>

> She asked me to post and see if anyone had any suggestions as what to

> do to prevent more unwanted hair and possibly reverse this problem.

>

> Thanks in advance, S.

>

[Guest guest]

,

Another cause of the high androgen/hair issue is adrenal related.

The medical community is calling it " non classical congenial adrenal

hyperplasia. "

The hair symptoms overlap with PCOS, I think the fasting blood sugar

is what separates the 2 conditions--can't remember at the top of my head.

tasia

>

> Hi everyone,

>

> My youngest daughter just turned 15 and is very upset about getting

> hair where she shouldn't. She first started noticing hair above her

> lips and around her bellybutton a few years ago when she first got her

> period. Over the years she has started getting long dark hairs on her

> chest, neck, jawline and now chin. This is really bothering her.

>

> I think maybe at one time her cortisol levels may have been high

> because of buffalo hump on back of neck and many stretch marks. We

> tested her last fall and they are high but in range now. But her DHEA

> and Testosterone are both above range.

>

> DHEA 11 3-10 ng/ml

> Free testosterone 23 elevated 8-20 pg.ml

>

> She asked me to post and see if anyone had any suggestions as what to

> do to prevent more unwanted hair and possibly reverse this problem.

>

> Thanks in advance, S.

>

[Guest guest]

,

Another cause of the high androgen/hair issue is adrenal related.

The medical community is calling it " non classical congenial adrenal

hyperplasia. "

The hair symptoms overlap with PCOS, I think the fasting blood sugar

is what separates the 2 conditions--can't remember at the top of my head.

tasia

>

> Hi everyone,

>

> My youngest daughter just turned 15 and is very upset about getting

> hair where she shouldn't. She first started noticing hair above her

> lips and around her bellybutton a few years ago when she first got her

> period. Over the years she has started getting long dark hairs on her

> chest, neck, jawline and now chin. This is really bothering her.

>

> I think maybe at one time her cortisol levels may have been high

> because of buffalo hump on back of neck and many stretch marks. We

> tested her last fall and they are high but in range now. But her DHEA

> and Testosterone are both above range.

>

> DHEA 11 3-10 ng/ml

> Free testosterone 23 elevated 8-20 pg.ml

>

> She asked me to post and see if anyone had any suggestions as what to

> do to prevent more unwanted hair and possibly reverse this problem.

>

> Thanks in advance, S.

>

[Guest guest]

,

When you say that you are estrogen dominant what do you mean? Have

you had your estrogen levels tested? What are our T & E levels?

Even if your testosterone and DHEA levels are in the medium range, if

your estrogen levels are in the low range you could have an imbalance

of E to T that favors androgens. In addition, progesterone can block

the effects of estrogen making the ratio worse. Progesterone can also

cause androgen side effects as well. Too much progesterone can cause

hair loss in women.

I take estradiol and topical testosterone. I get acne when I add in

progesterone. The progesterone causes androgenic effects for me.

When I talk about the imbalance of estrogen to testosterone causing

androgenic effects think about women in menopause who get facial hair.

They lost most of their estrogen but did not loose as much of their

testosterone at menopause. After a wile that imbalance of E to T

favors the T and then the women get facial hair. It is not that they

have more testosterone after menopause, they just have less estrogen

to balance the testosterone which leads to excess androgen side

effects like facial hair.

Kathy

>

>

> I've personally gone around and around with this for years and can't

> really find answers. I have thinning hair, unwanted facial hair, and

> weight issues since early childhood (well before poorly balanced

> hormones could cause problems). I've repeatedly had testing done.

> I'm not insulin resistant, do not have high glucose readings, ovulate

> every month (and have had 7 children), and I just had my DHEA-S and

> free and total testosterone levels done. All were in the normal

> range, just about the middle. None of that would seem to explain the

> symtpoms which would clearly indicate too many male hormones. I am

> estrogen dominant and take progesterone cream to supplement. I don't

> seem to fit a pattern of PCOS, or have lab work that would explain

> the hair issues. Could it be something else? Any ideas what else

> would cause similar issues to PCOS with male hormones?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

were the labs salivary or blood, as blood is worthless.??? Geri G.

[Guest guest]

Geri G.

Hi, S. (costumelady) here. I'm a little behind with reading post, so I

wasn't sure if you were asking about my daughter's test or not.

Yes, her tests were done with saliva at DiagnosTechs.

Thanks to everyone for responding. We're going to look into more tests as

soon as we can afford them. (no insurance) Until then, we will try to clean

up her diet, etc.

If anyone comes up with anything else, please let us know.

Thanks again,

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[Guest guest]

Geri G.

Hi, S. (costumelady) here. I'm a little behind with reading post, so I

wasn't sure if you were asking about my daughter's test or not.

Yes, her tests were done with saliva at DiagnosTechs.

Thanks to everyone for responding. We're going to look into more tests as

soon as we can afford them. (no insurance) Until then, we will try to clean

up her diet, etc.

If anyone comes up with anything else, please let us know.

Thanks again,

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