Re: Raising Estrogen level

March 25, 2008

I am not educated abotu kinds of estrogen replacement. I have always

used Premarin as it was the ONLY thing that worked for me when I had my

Hyst many years ago, but I am hoping things have improved since then.

Won;t know much more till I see my doc the end of next month when I am

certain I will be trying other forms.

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March 25, 2008

OK THANK'S FOR REPLY. PLEASE LET US KNOW WHAT YOU LEARN WHEN YOU SEE

YOUR DOCTOR NEXT MONTH. I WAS WONDERING, DO YOU THINK LOW ESTROGEN

CONTRIBUTES TO BAD FEELINGS SUCH AS DEPRESSION.

THANK'S SO MUCH,

PAT

> I am not educated abotu kinds of estrogen replacement. I have always

> used Premarin as it was the ONLY thing that worked for me when I

> had my

> Hyst many years ago, but I am hoping things have improved since then.

> Won;t know much more till I see my doc the end of next month when I am

> certain I will be trying other forms.

>

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>

March 25, 2008

>

> I am not educated abotu kinds of estrogen replacement. I have always

> used Premarin as it was the ONLY thing that worked for me when I had

my

> Hyst many years ago, but I am hoping things have improved since then.

> Won;t know much more till I see my doc the end of next month when I

am

> certain I will be trying other forms.

>

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> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

>

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> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

>

March 25, 2008

OH, THANK YOU FOR THE MUCH APPRECIATED INPUT. LOOKS LIKE ESTRONE

WOULD BE THE APPROPRIATE ONE FOR ME. THE CREAM SOUNDS LIKE THE PLACE

TO BEGIN. I'M THINKING THAT MAY HELP ME IN GETTING T3 LEVELS UP.

THANK'S SO MUCH,

PAT

>

> >

> > I am not educated abotu kinds of estrogen replacement. I have always

> > used Premarin as it was the ONLY thing that worked for me when I had

> my

> > Hyst many years ago, but I am hoping things have improved since

> then.

> > Won;t know much more till I see my doc the end of next month when I

> am

> > certain I will be trying other forms.

> >

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> > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

> >

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

> >

>

March 25, 2008

Low estrogen definitely CAN cause depression, but not as bad as low T3

depression which is horrid! I have had both and the low moods form low

estrogen are more well, MOODY! Anger and frustration, while low T3 is

just plain old WHY BOTHER to go on living.

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March 25, 2008

>>Using a bio-identical hormone is much easier for the body to absorb and

use. Premarin is a horse-urine product. It is more difficult for the

body to be absorbed into the skin and used. Premarin does not match

your body's natural hormones.<<

Ya know I have been hearig this for 27 years since my hysterectomy. I have to

disagree. Heck, Armour is PIG thyroid NOT bioidentical, why then does it work SO

much better than bioidentical SYNTHETIC T3/T4 combos? Could it just be that

MAYBE there is something in ANIMLA sourced hormons they cannot or are not

reproducing in the lab for the bioidenticals? BTW Synthroiud is considered

bioidentical.. I am not impressed with bioidentical thus far.

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March 25, 2008

From what I understand pigs are very close to humans in many parts of their

anatomy, ie skin, organs, etc. I have heard they can grow skin grafts of human

skin on pigs for use on burn victims. That is why it is so easy for use to

use...it is similar to our own.

I admit I have not researched synthroid as much as I should have, but I

understood it it is a synthetic or non-natural thyroid replacement. That is why

it is harder for your body to use. I could be entirely wrong in this. I jsut

know it does not work fo rmyself or my family members who have tried it.

Horse are much farther removed from us genetically. I think that is why it is

more difficult on the system.

There is much debate and controversy over using EITHER Premarin or

bio-identicals. There is some research to suggest that cancer rates are higher

in women who used Premarin, however there is not much research into if they were

taking the correct doses or " over medicating " with this. There is not much

research on the longterm effects of bio-identicals and cancer rates just yet

either. Overuse of ANY hormone causes imbalance and our bodies easily respond to

more estrogen by making more receptors, the more estrogen available, the more

you will absorb. We have estrogen receptors in our skin, intestinal tract, etc.

Estrogen and/or hormone replacement is a very personal and individual choice

for many women who are in need of hormone replacement therapy.

The BEST choice has to be researched and then carefully chosen by the patient

and the doctor, with knowledge of all the postitives and negatrives of both.

For me, it is bio-identicals. For others, it is Premarin, for others still it

is use of soy in their diet, etc.

artisticgroomer@...> wrote:

>>Using a bio-identical hormone is much easier for the body to absorb

and

use. Premarin is a horse-urine product. It is more difficult for the

body to be absorbed into the skin and used. Premarin does not match

your body's natural hormones.<<

Ya know I have been hearig this for 27 years since my hysterectomy. I have to

disagree. Heck, Armour is PIG thyroid NOT bioidentical, why then does it work SO

much better than bioidentical SYNTHETIC T3/T4 combos? Could it just be that

MAYBE there is something in ANIMLA sourced hormons they cannot or are not

reproducing in the lab for the bioidenticals? BTW Synthroiud is considered

bioidentical.. I am not impressed with bioidentical thus far.

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March 25, 2008

We all love pig thyroid, why aren't they selling pig estrogen LOL?

Barb

Marva Jolly wrote:

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> From what I understand pigs are very close to humans in many parts of

their anatomy, ie skin, organs, etc. I have heard they can grow skin

grafts of human skin on pigs for use on burn victims. That is why it

is so easy for use to use...it is similar to our own.

> Horse are much farther removed from us genetically. I think that is

why it is more difficult on the system.

>

March 25, 2008

Correction....While the pig is not necessarily genetically close with

humans, the functions of the organs are very similar.

Yes, why don't they look into using hormones form pigs? Great idea!

> >

> > From what I understand pigs are very close to humans in many

parts of

> their anatomy, ie skin, organs, etc. I have heard they can grow

skin

> grafts of human skin on pigs for use on burn victims. That is why

it

> is so easy for use to use...it is similar to our own.

>

> > Horse are much farther removed from us genetically. I think

that is

> why it is more difficult on the system.

> >

>

March 25, 2008

My one question.. Are we closer to horses or PLANTS? Bioidentical

estrogens are made from plants. Sorry but I have never seen a plant yet

that looked sexy! LOL This is the whole argument that I just can;t seem

to get through to people in love wiht bioidentical sex hormones. They

are STILL synthetic. They are man made form plants. Just like Synthroid

is. Now show me a PIG estrogen and I will beat you to it to try it for

myself! I have also found this in Insulins. Talk to any Diabetic that

has been on insulin long enough to remember the pork insulins. Tey all

tell me they worked SO mcuh better than our synthetic bioidentical

insulins we have now, but shame they are banned in the USA.. HMM suppose

Big Pharma has a hand in all this? I don;t buy hype! I buy what works

for me.

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March 25, 2008

>> why aren't they selling pig estrogen LOL?<<

AMEN!!! It is the same reason you never see Armour advertised but SYnthroid ads

abound.. MONEY.

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March 25, 2008

I believe that. You can probably discern from yesterday and this

morning's posts from me that I'm getting the feel bads again since I

began T3 3.75 mg per day on March 20. I'm thinking I may just try to

plow through and maybe the T3 will overcome as it did in the past.

What do you think?

It wouldn't be too rough on the adrenals, would it? I've been on

Isocort then HC cream since October, and delaying thyroid probably

isn't doing adrenals any good. What would you do, Val?

Thank's again,

Pat

> Low estrogen definitely CAN cause depression, but not as bad as low T3

> depression which is horrid! I have had both and the low moods form low

> estrogen are more well, MOODY! Anger and frustration, while low T3 is

> just plain old WHY BOTHER to go on living.

>

> --

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

>

March 25, 2008

3.75mg? T3 is usually dosed in MCG.. how much are you taking?

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March 25, 2008

Yes, big pharma has had a hand in this. I have researched it and understand

that " bio-identicals " chemically match the hormones in our bodies. Since you

cannot patent a " natural " source, Big pharma created " similar " hormones with one

or two different molecules in the chemical formula. That alolows them to

maintain the chemical formula for that product.

Yes, bio-identicals are made from plants...however, they are chemically closer

to our natural hormones produced in our own bodies. That is the argument that

people ahve to use bio-identicals. Closer to your own hormones=easier to

utilize in yoru system.

I am ALL for use of pig organs/hormones, etc because they function so closely

to human systems/organs!!!

Again, it has to be an individual choice. You as a consumer have to decide

what is best for your body. Everyone's bodies react differently to different

things. Some people do just fine on Synthroid, some people don't. Each of us

needs to research and try things to find what works fo rus as an individual.

That is why I encouraged the poster to explore bio-identicals as an option.

They may not work for some people as well as other products. If premarin works

for you then Great!

As with use of ANY hormone, drug, etc....we all must be our own advocates for

our health care. WE should do the research and partner with our docs (if you

can find a good one) to maintain our health. I know I am jsut beginning this

journey and have learned so much already....likely I will learn much more along

the road. But, I like to consider myself an informed and willing to learn

patient. That is why I so enjoy being part of this group...I have learned so

much from you , and all of you. Thank you to everyone.

Marva