Re: Hyper on florinef

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I started Florinef about 4 months ago. I had the same feelings when I

first started. I does go away. It didn't take long for me, just a few

days. Then I felt tons better.

Darla

>

> I had a lot more energy today, first day on Florinef. Felt much

> better, despite the lack of sleep, but it's been too good - hyper and

> a little manic - too much like adrenaline. It makes me worry a little,

> but I'm on 40mg of HC + the 1/4 tab of Florinef so I must be at least

> close to what I need for adrenal support. I took my 1tsp of salt water

> and didn't have much trouble with dizziness - some though. Is it

> normal to feel a little hyper after starting florinef.

>

> Yes, I'm up too late - took my wife to that show and going to bed

now

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I notice that many people say they feel so much better on Florinef.

Would you say it was a significant step forward? I know I need

florinef but also know my ND won't have a clue. He thinks aldosterone

at 10 is fine because it's in range and doesn't know much about renin

which is .46. It will be a chore to find a doc that understand

florinef. Is this a topic a endo know about?

>

> Hi ,

>

> I started Florinef about 4 months ago. I had the same feelings when I

> first started. I does go away. It didn't take long for me, just a few

> days. Then I felt tons better.

>

> Darla

>

>

> >

> > I had a lot more energy today, first day on Florinef. Felt much

> > better, despite the lack of sleep, but it's been too good - hyper and

> > a little manic - too much like adrenaline. It makes me worry a little,

> > but I'm on 40mg of HC + the 1/4 tab of Florinef so I must be at least

> > close to what I need for adrenal support. I took my 1tsp of salt water

> > and didn't have much trouble with dizziness - some though. Is it

> > normal to feel a little hyper after starting florinef.

> >

> > Yes, I'm up too late - took my wife to that show and going to bed

> now

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Yiur hyperlike symptoms may be thyroid getting to the cells which your

body is not used to. I HAVE seen peole have thyroid dumping after

starting Florinef when they really needed it so kee an eye on temps.

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[Guest guest]

I can second this. I had a thyroid dump after increasing my Florinef

from 100mcg to 150mcg - the extra adrenal support finally allowed the

cortisol to work as it should, ie getting the thyroid hormone into the

cells. - you may find now that you can reduce your HC dose.

Best

Nicola

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wrote:

>

> Yiur hyperlike symptoms may be thyroid getting to the cells which

your

> body is not used to. I HAVE seen peole have thyroid dumping after

> starting Florinef when they really needed it so kee an eye on temps.

>

> --

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

>

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Dahlia, it hit me late in the afternoon and all of a sudden I

had all of this energy and very little of my usual back pain. It

continued all evening although it started to be accompanied by anxiety

as I realized that I was more hyper than anything, like I have been

after increasing Armour and the adrenals can't handle it. Then my

wife came home and I had to read a paper for her before we left for

the show and it was a difficult read and I had limited time. I sat

through the whole show, mind racing, worrying about finishing the

paper and getting my lunch ready and not getting to bed too late -

just obsessive thoughts. I don't think that I would have slept at all

if I hadn't taken my cocktail of Klonopin and Ambien. I'm so tired

right now that I would welcome that energy, but not the hyper-activity

and racing mind.

>

> Hi ,

>

> I started Florinef about 4 months ago. I had the same feelings when I

> first started. I does go away. It didn't take long for me, just a few

> days. Then I felt tons better.

>

> Darla

[Guest guest]

I'll be watching them close today. They did move up right away

yesterday from where they had been but they had moved lower than usual

for me after reducing HC to 35mg - so from ~norm of 98.1 to mid 97s

and then right back to low 98s right away yesterday. I thought about

thyroid dump yesterday, but didn't have the headache or racing heart

to go along with it. I was sweating more than usual. It really felt

most like it does when I increase Armour and the adrenals struggle to

keep up by pumping out adrenaline. In my Ambien induced fog I have no

such sensation right now - I can barely get out of my chair.

I report back on temps after I have a day's worth.

Thanks,

>

> Yiur hyperlike symptoms may be thyroid getting to the cells which your

> body is not used to. I HAVE seen peole have thyroid dumping after

> starting Florinef when they really needed it so kee an eye on temps.

>

[Guest guest]

I thought about reducing HC but I'm only on second day of Florinef and

just taking the 1/4 tab. Should't I hold here on HC dose for a few?

Worst case is that I'm getting a little too much HC for a few days?

If I was/am thyroid dumping it wasn't severe like the one that I have

had and it shouldn't be able to continue long if florinef is actually

opening up those pathways better. No? The doc did say that I could

lower my HC dose but to go SLOW. How much did you end up reducing

your HC dose Nicola?

Thanks,

>

> I can second this. I had a thyroid dump after increasing my Florinef

> from 100mcg to 150mcg - the extra adrenal support finally allowed the

> cortisol to work as it should, ie getting the thyroid hormone into the

> cells. - you may find now that you can reduce your HC dose.

>

> Best

>

> Nicola

[Guest guest]

Nicola,

In this case, why wouldn't one decrease thyroid instead of HC? I'm so confused

about this.

Thanks,

>>>I can second this. I had a thyroid dump after increasing my Florinef from

100mcg to 150mcg - the extra adrenal support finally allowed the cortisol to

work as it should, ie getting the thyroid hormone into the cells. - you

may find now that you can reduce your HC dose.

[Guest guest]

Nicola,

In this case, why wouldn't one decrease thyroid instead of HC? I'm so confused

about this.

Thanks,

>>>I can second this. I had a thyroid dump after increasing my Florinef from

100mcg to 150mcg - the extra adrenal support finally allowed the cortisol to

work as it should, ie getting the thyroid hormone into the cells. - you

may find now that you can reduce your HC dose.

[Guest guest]

Nicola,

In this case, why wouldn't one decrease thyroid instead of HC? I'm so confused

about this.

Thanks,

>>>I can second this. I had a thyroid dump after increasing my Florinef from

100mcg to 150mcg - the extra adrenal support finally allowed the cortisol to

work as it should, ie getting the thyroid hormone into the cells. - you

may find now that you can reduce your HC dose.

[Guest guest]

We purposely did the regular strength Ambien so that I could take it

in the middle of the night which is when I have all of my trouble. So

I took it at 4AM and whoa, I'm still feeling it. As this rate I won't

be feeling fully awake until later in the afternoon. What is amazing

is that whatever is waking me up was able to overcome the first dose

that I took at 11PM. I was completely asleep and out of it, almost

fell when I tried to get out of bed to go to the bathroom. And then

the stomach thing started and I laid there for 1/2 hour and realized

that I wasn't going to be able to get back to sleep so I took the

second dose and ate a little cheese and was able to doze back off some

time later but didn't sleep soundly even then which is the same

pattern that this has been following for me. It doesn't matter what I

take or when I take it - after that 3-4 AM wake-up I either don't

sleep, or I sleep very poorly and then can't get up.

I should have asked my doc - can you cut Ambiens - maybe I could just

take 1/2 of one in the middle of the night. I still won't sleep well,

but at least I might not be a zombie all morning.

>

> ,

>

> What strength Ambien are you taking? Is is regular Ambien or Ambien CR

> (which comes in 6.25mg and 12.5mg)?

>

> Ambien does have a short half life (4hrs or less I think) but my husband

> rarely takes it because it does make him feel so bad and sluggish

the next

> day.

>

> Delores

[Guest guest]

We purposely did the regular strength Ambien so that I could take it

in the middle of the night which is when I have all of my trouble. So

I took it at 4AM and whoa, I'm still feeling it. As this rate I won't

be feeling fully awake until later in the afternoon. What is amazing

is that whatever is waking me up was able to overcome the first dose

that I took at 11PM. I was completely asleep and out of it, almost

fell when I tried to get out of bed to go to the bathroom. And then

the stomach thing started and I laid there for 1/2 hour and realized

that I wasn't going to be able to get back to sleep so I took the

second dose and ate a little cheese and was able to doze back off some

time later but didn't sleep soundly even then which is the same

pattern that this has been following for me. It doesn't matter what I

take or when I take it - after that 3-4 AM wake-up I either don't

sleep, or I sleep very poorly and then can't get up.

I should have asked my doc - can you cut Ambiens - maybe I could just

take 1/2 of one in the middle of the night. I still won't sleep well,

but at least I might not be a zombie all morning.

>

> ,

>

> What strength Ambien are you taking? Is is regular Ambien or Ambien CR

> (which comes in 6.25mg and 12.5mg)?

>

> Ambien does have a short half life (4hrs or less I think) but my husband

> rarely takes it because it does make him feel so bad and sluggish

the next

> day.

>

> Delores

[Guest guest]

I don't have the pills with me at work, but my psy doc and I were

discussing it and I'm pretty clear that we agreed that we were NOT

going to do the CR because I needed to able to take it in the middle

of the night for four hour duration. It seems to me that the pill was

white and somewhat oblong shaped. It wasn't blue or round like

Lunesta. So you had a HARDER time getting to sleep on 10mg of the

regular Ambien than on a lower dose? I might have taken 10mg at 11

and another 10mg at 4AM. No wonder I still feel affected.

>

> The regular Ambien comes in 5mg and 10mg and is oblong shaped. The

Ambien

> CR is round and comes in 6.25mg and 12.5mg (different color for

different

> strengths). I always used the regular 10mg Ambien and I ALWAYS just

bit off

> about 1/3 to 1/2 and could take the remainder later if I woke up because

> once I had tried the entire 10mg at bedtime and it was very very

hard to go

> to sleep and I didn't sleep very long.

>

[Guest guest]

As the day goes on and the Ambien finally wears off, I'm feeling more

and more of the following: hyper, anxious, warm (little sweaty),

stomach a little upset and nauseous and getting more so, bowels very

active although not all the way to diarhhea yet(sorry for TMI). My

first temp of the day was only .1 - .2 warmer than usual at 98 and it

isn't quite time for my second yet, but I took it and at 98.4 it's

again w/in .1 to .2 of normal. This is how I have felt before when I

started Armour w/out adrenal support, or tried to go up too fast. It

doesn't feel like the dumps that I have had with the severe headache

and high BP (although I can't take my BP here now), but maybe it is.

Just to confirm, this is normal after starting florinef and passes?

Good thing I didn't take the full .1mg as directed. Anything that one

can do to settle it down? I'm already on 40mg of HC but do I need to

stress dose some?

Thanks,

>

> Yiur hyperlike symptoms may be thyroid getting to the cells which your

> body is not used to. I HAVE seen peole have thyroid dumping after

> starting Florinef when they really needed it so kee an eye on temps.

[Guest guest]

,

Have you kept up with your salt? I would add salt if I was having sweats.

And not drop hc until you're at least up to 1/2 tab. I haven't been able to

drop hc at all and I'm on my 4th day of 3/4. But I'm also sick, so that's hard

to calculate. My temps have been averaging 98, where before the florinef, they

were rock solid at 97.2. I'm also only on 30 mg of Armour, waiting til I get

over this cold to raise another 15.

But I wanted to mention about possibly adding salt when you feel 'hyper' or

esp. sweaty.

Dahlia

" jasrich " wrote:

>I thought about

>thyroid dump yesterday, but didn't have the headache or racing heart

>to go along with it. I was sweating more than usual. It really felt

>most like it does when I increase Armour and the adrenals struggle to

>keep up by pumping out adrenaline. >

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[Guest guest]

The sweat was the least of it - the anxiety was the worst today.

Temps were good. Did the anxiety and general upset resolve quickly?

Thanks,

>

> ,

> Have you kept up with your salt? I would add salt if I was having

sweats. And not drop hc until you're at least up to 1/2 tab. I

haven't been able to drop hc at all and I'm on my 4th day of 3/4. But

I'm also sick, so that's hard to calculate. My temps have been

averaging 98, where before the florinef, they were rock solid at 97.2.

I'm also only on 30 mg of Armour, waiting til I get over this cold to

raise another 15.

>

> But I wanted to mention about possibly adding salt when you feel

'hyper' or esp. sweaty.

>

> Dahlia

[Guest guest]

So it turns out I'm taking 10mg (generic) and I took one before bed

and one at 4AM - I guess that's why I couldn't fully wake up until

after 2PM. I guess that I'll just take it in pieces like you do

because I'm hyper-sensitive to everything.

>

> The regular Ambien comes in 5mg and 10mg and is oblong shaped. The

Ambien

> CR is round and comes in 6.25mg and 12.5mg (different color for

different

> strengths). I always used the regular 10mg Ambien and I ALWAYS just

bit off

> about 1/3 to 1/2 and could take the remainder later if I woke up because

> once I had tried the entire 10mg at bedtime and it was very very

hard to go

> to sleep and I didn't sleep very long.

>

> Delores

[Guest guest]

See my last one - I took an elephantine dose (as prescribed by my psy

doc of course). What is amazing is that the original 10mg dose didn't

keep me asleep and the next 10mg didn't put me back into a deep sleep

- I still only dozed. Adrenaline. What else can it be?

> > We purposely did the regular strength Ambien so that I could take it

> > in the middle of the night which is when I have all of my trouble. So

> > I took it at 4AM and whoa, I'm still feeling it. As this rate I won't

> > be feeling fully awake until later in the afternoon. What is amazing

> > is that whatever is waking me up was able to overcome the first dose

> > that I took at 11PM. I was completely asleep and out of it, almost

> > fell when I tried to get out of bed to go to the bathroom.

>

[Guest guest]

It is a good question. But we are playing around with adrenal

support, rather than thyroid. The idea is that if you need high doses

of HC, and still don't get much benefit from low adrenal symptoms,

then it might actually be florinef that you need. So you increase

florinef, and this may enable you to reduce cortisol. The aim should

be to keep to a dose of 20-30mg HC to use and increase thyroid

hormone doses.

Best

Nicola

>

> Nicola,

>

> In this case, why wouldn't one decrease thyroid instead of HC? I'm

so confused about this.

>

> Thanks,

>

>

> >>>I can second this. I had a thyroid dump after increasing my

Florinef from 100mcg to 150mcg - the extra adrenal support finally

allowed the cortisol to work as it should, ie getting the thyroid

hormone into the cells. - you may find now that you can reduce

your HC dose.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hello , I have problems with sleep as well . I was on klonopin

for 8 years and ambien for five years. may I ask how long you have

been taking each of those drugs? I have been reading many of your

posts, it sounds like klonopin and ambian might not be working

for you any more, they may now be causing the same problems that they

were prescribed for in the first place,... anxiety, insomnia and

stress,plus many more. perhaps you have reached tolerance to these meds.

Benzodiazepines cause many health problems, I think these drugs

contributed to my adrenals getting worse over time. it took me about

15 months of tapering to get away from these meds and I did it, ..I

have been off them for just over a year.im sleeping better now than

when I was on klonopin and ambien.

sherie

> >

> > Hi ,

> >

> > I started Florinef about 4 months ago. I had the same feelings when I

> > first started. I does go away. It didn't take long for me, just a few

> > days. Then I felt tons better.

> >

> > Darla

>

[Guest guest]

Ambien worked for me for a little while after I fist started to take

it, it was ambien not the generic. I dont think alot of generics are

as strong as the real thing. ambien would geive me a few hours sleep

then I would wake up for no reason. I had strange reactions to it,

pictures would move a bit , and other strange things. I have taken

ambien, restoril, halcion and dalmane for sleep, as well as

clonazepam /klonopin.

These meds are bad for health in the long run, and after you have

been on them for awhile( its different for every person when this

happens), they can cause many psychological and physical symptoms.

please be careful with these meds.

sherie

> > > >

> > > > The regular Ambien comes in 5mg and 10mg and is oblong shaped.

> The

> > > Ambien

> > > > CR is round and comes in 6.25mg and 12.5mg (different color for

> > > different

> > > > strengths). I always used the regular 10mg Ambien and I ALWAYS

> just

> > > bit off

> > > > about 1/3 to 1/2 and could take the remainder later if I woke

> up because

> > > > once I had tried the entire 10mg at bedtime and it was very very

> > > hard to go

> > > > to sleep and I didn't sleep very long.

> > > >

> > > > Delores

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Yes, so I read! When I answered that post, it was earlier in the day, and I

don't think you were feeling as bad. I think if it were me, I'd give it one day

or more, and if I had a repeat, I think I'd skip my next armour dose to see if

it settled things down. When I first started florinef, I was on a small dose of

armour and the f. made me feel way more hypo than I had been feeling. Val

thought it might be due to the thyroid finally being able to get to the cells

(and being used up) b/c the adrenals were working better. So, this could also

be a clue here. But as you say, there are so many variables. Otoh, you have to

start with one. btw, the salt helps me for feelings like shakiiness, jolts,

sudden sweats, not upset or anxiety.

Dahlia

>The sweat was the least of it - the anxiety was the worst today.

Temps were good. Did the anxiety and general upset resolve quickly?

Thanks,

>

>

> ,

> Have you kept up with your salt? I would add salt if I was having

sweats. .....

> But I wanted to mention about possibly adding salt when you feel

'hyper' or esp. sweaty.

>

> Dahlia

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[Guest guest]

Split one and took 5mg at bed-time that only lasted 2 hours until I

woke up starving and took the other half which only lasted two hours

until my usual wake up time of 4AM. So far, the Ambien experiment is

not going well.

-

-- In NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS , " jasrich "

wrote:

>

> See my last one - I took an elephantine dose (as prescribed by my psy

> doc of course). What is amazing is that the original 10mg dose didn't

> keep me asleep and the next 10mg didn't put me back into a deep sleep

> - I still only dozed. Adrenaline. What else can it be?

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Sherie, I have been on Klono for a couple of years but only used

..5mg - 1mg a few nights/week to help me sleep when I was stressed out.

It didn't become a nightly thing until after I started the Armour and

then adrenal support and really started having trouble sleeping. I

guess that I have been taking it every night for at least three months

now and the full 1mg for at least one month. For a while I was

rotating Klono, Lunesta and Benadryl to help with sleep but my doc and

psy doc wanted me to be taking the Klono more regularly as I became

more and more anxious throughout this treatment and I reluctantly gave

in. Over the past 2 1/2 weeks, as the sleep issue has gotten more

consistently bad, I started taking the Lunesta with the 1mg of Klono

every night but it wasn't keeping me asleep any better so I asked my

psy doc for the Ambien so that I could take something shorter acting

in the middle of the night when I have the most trouble.

I just started the Ambien two nights ago and it hasn't exactly been a

big success - too much the first night and still not sleeping well

after 4AM and then a zombie until after lunch, and then splitting one

10mg dose into two 5mg doses last night and really not sleeping any

better. I think my mistake last night was in taking the 2nd dose when

I woke up the first time with the hunger and stomach ache instead of

holding out until 4AM when I woke up again. My hope was that the 2nd

dose would hold me through at least 5AM but nothing seems to be

holding me past that 4AM wake-up. I rubbed on a little stress-dose of

2.5mg of HC cream at 4AM last night and it seemed to help me relax

some but sleep was lousy as always until I had to get up at 7AM.

After foolishly trying to quit the Klono cold turkey a few weeks ago

and paying for it with no sleep at all for two days, I have discussed

weaning off of it with my docs but no one thinks that it is a good

idea right now b/c I am so anxious - they all want me on more although

I have resisted. My therapist would like to see me get off of them

too. I do intend to wean off, but probably need to hold on for a

while, at least until I change jobs in two weeks which is obviously a

big stressful change. You are not the first person to suggest that

benzos can ultimately lead to more sleep problems so I want to be

through with them, but I think most of my sleep problem right now is

adrenal/HC/cortisol related and the pills at least help me get to sleep.

>

> Hello , I have problems with sleep as well . I was on klonopin

> for 8 years and ambien for five years. may I ask how long you have

> been taking each of those drugs? I have been reading many of your

> posts, it sounds like klonopin and ambian might not be working

> for you any more, they may now be causing the same problems that they

> were prescribed for in the first place,... anxiety, insomnia and

> stress,plus many more. perhaps you have reached tolerance to these meds.

>

> Benzodiazepines cause many health problems, I think these drugs

> contributed to my adrenals getting worse over time. it took me about

> 15 months of tapering to get away from these meds and I did it, ..I

> have been off them for just over a year.im sleeping better now than

> when I was on klonopin and ambien.

>

>

> sherie

[Guest guest]

Hi Dahlia, I don't get much of the shakiness/tremors or jolts or even

the sudden sweats - except at 4AM when I almost always get them. I

have been getting up and drinking salt water at that point and doing

various other things like stress dose 2.5mg of HC, or take an Ambien.

The anxiety is still there today, although not as pronounced as

yesterday. I think part of the problem yesterday was the profound

dopiness after taking the Ambien and, as I finally came out of it,

feeling the affects of the Florinef. Today I'm not nearly as dopie

and I felt the anxiety earlier in the AM but it doesn't seem to be as

bad so maybe I'm getting used to the F. I think that I was dopie

enough and rushed this AM that I forgot my first dose of Armour so

I'll be running a T3 deficit today anyway - I honestly can't remember

whether I took it or not, but I don't think that I did - brain fog.

Thanks,

>

> Hi ,

> Yes, so I read! When I answered that post, it was earlier in the

day, and I don't think you were feeling as bad. I think if it were

me, I'd give it one day or more, and if I had a repeat, I think I'd

skip my next armour dose to see if it settled things down. When I

first started florinef, I was on a small dose of armour and the f.

made me feel way more hypo than I had been feeling. Val thought it

might be due to the thyroid finally being able to get to the cells

(and being used up) b/c the adrenals were working better. So, this

could also be a clue here. But as you say, there are so many

variables. Otoh, you have to start with one. btw, the salt helps me

for feelings like shakiiness, jolts, sudden sweats, not upset or anxiety.

>

> Dahlia